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03/23/2011 07:32 PM (UTC)
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Fenix Wrote:
Fans talked to GoW Team, and fans talked to MK team, then GoW and MK talked to each other, then MK9 Kratos was born. It wasn't a marketing ploy, or a fluke, or even fate, it was people doing something together because they thought it would be cool. The fact that you're not even going to watch the video but continue to argue your infantile point is downright ignorant.

unseenwombat Wrote:GTFO yourself. It was a stupid idea. They could have learned just as much by making MK vs MK and implemented it into MK9. And get out with the BS that they created MKDC because of love of the DC characters. Now if you said, "If WB came and said to you, 'we're going to milk comic book fanboys for every penny they've got and you'll be richer for it'" I could actually believe that's how things went down in the development phase of MKDC.


A) You are 100% whats wrong with the fanbase and the industry. You're not a fan, you're a parasite with an overblown sense of entitlement.

"Oh noes! These guys who made this thing I love and adore are total sell outs! I should boycott them or simply ignore them, but instead I will stalk and criticize them like a deranged ex-girlfriend! Why do they torment me so!?"

b) Have you ever offered up anything for public consumption? How many games have you made? How many things at all? Have you ever even made dinner for more than yourself? Did you do it just like the recipe or did you try to make it your own? Get that onion the fuck out of here, my hamburger is PURE!

c) They already MADE your precious MK vs MK. Twice in fact. They were called MK Armageddon and MK Trilogy, and they were fucking terrible. All the characters, all the plot, all the gameplay, and it was a goddamned tragedy. No guest characters then, how come they weren't the best games ever made? Maybe because the inclusion of one goddamned guest character doesn't make or break a game.

Why don't you and all the purists go back to your purity island and tell ghost stories of commercial conspiracies by a campfire filled with MKT and MKA discs.


Seriously! I know I haven't been on these forums long but I have not seen this kid post anything but complaints. If he wants to change something he needs to go to school. Learn what he's talking about. Apply to NRS and then make changes. I'm sure he knows nothing about what goes into making a game.

To make more games you need to make money. That is a fact. Adding guest characters will bring in more players. Someone may see that as selling out. But I'd rather NRS "sell out" than go out of business. Kratos fits perfectly. No one is forcing anyone to play as him.
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03/23/2011 07:33 PM (UTC)
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@Acid,
Not liking a guest character and claiming they don't "belong" are two completely different concepts.

wombat is essentially saying having a stupid rendition of an MK character like Hsu Hao is better than having an awesome rendition of Kratos.

Similarly, claiming the creator of a game is stupid for doing something they want to their own product is ignorant.

they're stupid when they make a shitty game, they're awesome when they make a good one, it doesn't matter how "pure" it is.
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03/23/2011 07:36 PM (UTC)
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Kratos looks great in MK. I'm not a GoW fan(never played the games), but he fits the them nicely, and looks fun to play. I own a 360 so I won't have the opportunity to play as him, but how anyone could say he ruins the game is just insane. 1 guest character does not ruin the game in the slightest. I 100% agree with Fenix.

Secondly, and more importantly, Ermac's alt. looks fantastic! I hope all the characters get such an awesome outfit for their alternate. He looks really great, and definitely captures that "mystic" vibe they are going for.
haha quicktime events?
that's SO awesome.
Wow.. and surprisingly NOT lazy. They worked that gameplay mechanic in there just for him because of his GOW games.

GOD something about that is just so awesome

And now I'm definitely getting it for PS3
goddamn everything about that was spot on
as a big GOW fan, I am definitely looking forward to playing as him
and he looks a lot better than the Soul Calibur version of him.
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03/23/2011 08:09 PM (UTC)
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Pros: His stage looks awesome and I like how he uses helios' head for a stun attack.
Cons: I know GoW had the quick time events, but they just really seem to slow down the fight a bit. The fact that he uses a weapon the entire time also kinda bugs me.

All in all, though, I'm a 360 owner, so this doesn't affect me in the slightest.
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03/23/2011 08:12 PM (UTC)
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And other people post nothing but how much they love the game and gushing over how great it is. Yet you don't say anything to them.

I didn't say adding in a bad character like Hsu Hao would be better. I said it would be better to add an MK related character with the same attention they put into Kratos.

Yes, they need to make money. How about they accomplish that by creating a great game, not by resorting to cheap gimmicks? Is that such a huge request? I guess it is for the stuffy old geezers and bitchy women in WB's board rooms.

People like to tell me that putting Harry Potter in would be ridiculous, but if your only argument is that they should make as much money as possible, he's a perfect fit. No one has actually EVER given me a reasonable response as to why they shouldn't include him, except to just say "that's stupid, he doesn't belong," and then explain how he's different than the other characters. Guess what, neither does Kratos. His character is more fitting to the MK universe, but he still doesn't belong.
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03/23/2011 08:14 PM (UTC)
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AcidSpitter93 Wrote:
@Fenix:

So all of a sudden now anybody who doesn't like having a guest character in this game is butthurt? Ha ok. Go ahead and talk more shit about people who have different opinions than you


I'm not going to say you're not allowed to dislike the game having a guest character. But really, is it that big a deal that one guest character appears in one port of the game? Especially after MK vs. DC where half the game was guest characters?

I've never played GoW in my life, nor do I care for Kratos, but I don't think having him there is going to affect the game experience all that much.

Plus, it looks like you're getting at least two VERY nice exclusive stages as a result. That one where he's fighting Ermac (assuming that is a GoW stage), looks exquisite.
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CitizenKano
03/23/2011 08:15 PM (UTC)
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If you want to ignore Kratos, good luck trying that online.
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firesnake
03/23/2011 08:17 PM (UTC)
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Man Kratos is lookin awesome and seems to play really nice.
They got him nailed down to a T.
Can't wait to play as him.
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03/23/2011 08:20 PM (UTC)
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I'm pretty sure there was no pleasing some of the fanbase with anything they did for Kratos gameplay wise in this game. Some people had already made up their minds they didn't like Kratos and didn't want him in this game.

But from a gameplay perspective, besides people worrying he is broken, I don't think you can complain. He looks fun, unique and extremely well represented as far as God of War is concerned. The extra effort they put into him to make him very authentic is extremely nice in my opinion.
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03/23/2011 08:20 PM (UTC)
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Not watching that. Thank God I'm buying the Xbox 360 Version. No Craptos. Just pure Mortal Kombat.
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03/23/2011 08:22 PM (UTC)
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so many delicious tears
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03/23/2011 08:29 PM (UTC)
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EmperorKahn Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
Everybody who's butthurt about kratos' inclusion and mks "purity" really needs to sit back and watch this video from when the whole deal came about before you start shooting off your mouth about knowing whats best for the game / series.

http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/409

Granted, chapter 4 (http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/409?ch=4) is the corner of the situation, given thats where the pitch happens, but the entire conference is a good look into the mind of developers (who are in fact human beings).

Ed Boon is just a guy, and so is his team. They all have their own interests, and they all love games. They work on MK day in and day out, but its not the only game they love. And you better be damn sure if you were in their position and the opportunity presented itself to work with a game property you love, or even somehow involve that in something you've created, you would jump at it.

A lot of people say MKvDC was a stupid idea, but are you telling me that if WB came to you and said hey, we're going to let you put your hands on fucking batman and superman and the flash in your next game. You'd be like, "Naw, i'm not interested, my game is too good for those guys." Get the fuck outta here.

Point is, this is how games evolve and become great things. A lot of MK9s greatness directly stems from lessons learned with MKvDC, and I'm sure both Kratos and MK will be better for this collaboration. If you want to wallow in the notion of purity and what not thats fine, but thats how things get stale. Look at Madden, Guitar Hero, CoD, hell, even more classic franchises like Mario and Megaman and Zelda. The developers on those titles don't get to express themselves, or experiment because that would be "tampering with the products purity".

I'm not saying the kind of flowchart games we see year in year out are inherently bad, but there's a lot to be said about branching out and just doing what you want with your property.


well said.


Oh sweet lord, this.

This. This. This.
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03/23/2011 08:29 PM (UTC)
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I own a xbox 360 and i am anticipating whatever extra content they'll give us, but that being said looks like yall do got a fun character there, Course me being a johnny cage fan would punch him in the nuts tongue
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03/23/2011 08:32 PM (UTC)
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unseenwombat Wrote:
Yes, they need to make money. How about they accomplish that by creating a great game, not by resorting to cheap gimmicks? Is that such a huge request? I guess it is for the stuffy old geezers and bitchy women in WB's board rooms.

People like to tell me that putting Harry Potter in would be ridiculous, but if your only argument is that they should make as much money as possible, he's a perfect fit. No one has actually EVER given me a reasonable response as to why they shouldn't include him, except to just say "that's stupid, he doesn't belong," and then explain how he's different than the other characters. Guess what, neither does Kratos. His character is more fitting to the MK universe, but he still doesn't belong.


This is looking to be a great game, with or without Kratos. How does him being there take away from anything? It only adds something extra, as well as bringing in new players. A cheap gimmick would be putting Kratos on the cover of the game and making him look like the best part of the game. He is simply an addition to a game that is already filled with great stuff.

Your posts about adding Harry Potter, Hello Kitty and other children's characters are just stupid. Kratos kills people. He's from an M rated game. He fights gods. He makes sense. Nothing you say will change people's opinions about that.
I was never against Kratos being in the game his just a nice little extra.
Ive not actually played any of the God Of War games so he will just feel like a new character to me, and I gotta say he looks really impressive.
Ermacs costume looks supurb. It would appear Sindel has taken Reptiles place as the new punching bag ;) seriously can we actually see her do something, she was revealed in December for the love of god! all weve seen is those bloody fireballs
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03/23/2011 08:39 PM (UTC)
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Looks like he'll be a blast. His Cestus looks kind of weird though. Not as shiny as I remembered it in God of War
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03/23/2011 08:42 PM (UTC)
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Give up rocket. Wombat knows how MK should be.
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GodlyShinnok
03/23/2011 08:46 PM (UTC)
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Kratos > more than half the MK roster, lol.
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AcidSpitter93
03/23/2011 08:51 PM (UTC)
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Look I understand people who like him and his addition to the game but be realistic about it. It wouldn't have mattered if he was in this game or not. It's going to sell a ridiculous amount of copies. Kratos doesn't add to that nor was he needed for that aspect.

What is he adding? Honestly? The time spent on Kratos could have easily gone to a new or existing character that would add to the game in every aspect. He's just a character who looks out of place (IMO) and you get to use him in vs fights. That's it. Don't get me wrong I'm happy they didn't weave him into story mode but at the same time this could've been an actual MK character who would've been useful for every aspect of the game.

TheManWithTheGoldenGun Wrote:
Casual gamers done know nor do they care who Jade, Sindel and Ermac are. They know who Kratos is and want to see him kicking ass. They see Kratos they might buy the game. They see Jade, Sindel or Ermac and they continue to not care


You don't see anything wrong with that? Instead of them marketing the actual characters of MK that they created and showing the consumer how awesome they are what this is doing is going "hey Kratos from GOW3 is in our game so buy it." That's just wrong. When I see people get this MK game or talk about it before it's out I should be hearing stuff like "Damn dude Noob looks sick!," or "That fight between Ermac and Liu Kang was awesome!" I don't wanna hear "hey Kratos is in it and is rumored to have a fuckality her derp." Get what I'm saying?

Also, I'm sorry. He may fit in the best out of any other guest character choice but that doesn't make him a good choice in the first place. I don't care if he's in an M rated game. I don't care that he's violent. Neither of those are legitimate reasons to have him in. If that's the case i'll write out a list of other characters who should be in. With as story-driven as MK is they should put all their time and resources in things or characters that actually matter.

Not saying all of this as a way to lash out against people who like him and want him in because that's your opinion. I'm just stating my opinion on why I don't want him in.
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ErmacYou
03/23/2011 08:59 PM (UTC)
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xbox version isnt the pure version.both console versions are the same except sony has one of its game properties in mk as a bonus for ps3 owners.saying xbox has the pure version is merely the opinion of fans and not fact.
this is only a problem because its a ps3 exclusive.if the shoe was on the other foot ps3 owners would be saying we got screwed again bullshit.microsoft has taken care of xbox owners for years and now that sony is off the late bus,NRS and WB are accused of favortism which is more bullshit.
getting all emotional and bitching about the game will die down after the game is released i hope,but until then carry on.
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rozy86
03/23/2011 09:12 PM (UTC)
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Kratos looks awesome! I'm a big fan of MK and GoW. :D
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03/23/2011 09:14 PM (UTC)
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even though i only got a 360 and im really pissed about kratos.i must say im a big gow fan and kratos look fucking awesome.
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03/23/2011 09:29 PM (UTC)
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It's rumored that the Xbox exclusive content would be an exclusive stage.................that being said, it'd be hilarious if it turned out to be Kratos' stage grin
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