Even assuming Sektor has kept his human brain in tact, rather than creating some kind of digital counterpart, you have to assume that any simulating biological functions are almost non-existant. He'd have enough to keep his brain alive, but other than that, he's pretty much done away with any need for a human form -- with perhaps the exception of the fact that his brain still relates to human limbs. (If you need an explanation for keeping his body humanoid, if not totally respectful of anatomy).

So, yes. The prerequisites of his technology in relation to the space afforded within his body is very likely to be dramatically smaller than Cyrax -- who still has a human body.

In the context of a character who's still a mobile martial artist, I don't think more power equates at all to doubling his size, or strapping unnecessary machinery to his body. In terms of larger scale attachments, I would think he would have basic integration tech. Wifi or USB plug-ins for anything he might need in situations, with the option of quick getaways and so forth.

He's been shown to seek power through technology. The advantages of that are in increasingly small computers, the power in an iPod or an iPhone, rather than strapping giant rockets to his head.

The application of fighting styles in Mortal Kombat have never shown any regard for logic. I'd be very reluctant to draw anything from them, personally. They don't relate to any facts we know. I would also think end poses are fairly arbitrary in-game pieces, many of which were shared.

As a meta-level, or design brief, I think it's interesting to think of Cyrax as essentially being the middle ground. The guy who remained a half-man half-machine, while Sektor is differentiated as the guy looking to be the ultimate man, and Smoke is on the other side of the tech tree, completely forgoing humanity for a techno-spiritual non-form.


You're kinda shooting yourself in the foot there.
Based on the time period, they should be very similar. There's even less reason to differentiate the characters at this point (as you said, because they aren't built for personality) and even less reason for one to be a bulky oversized tank. Which speaks again to the grace of illogic that's given to arbitrary in-game gimmicks.

It also goes back to the context of my earlier comments, which were to express steady dissatisfaction for going backward. It's a moot point because, yes, it's 1993-'95 again and nothing matters, apparently.

Am I? Back in the real 1993-1995 they didn't have the technological capabilities to show any differences between these two. It's the same reason Jax had 2 metal arms instead of one. The same reason the ninjas were pallet swaps. However now they CAN do more than just pallet swaps. And we know that the Lin Kuei built Sektor with ordinance and Cyrax with gadgets. There is no good reason they would build them exactly the same with this in mind.

When I think of Cyrax, I think of a man inside a suit like Iron Man. He needs to be thick to protect himself and because he has to work around the human anatomy.

With Sektor though, you're saying he should be like War Machine, more armor and more weapons...but Rhodey's still a dude in a suit and that's WHY he needs the armor. Sektor is actually closer to, say...a Terminator after the skin's been burnt off. He doesn't need shit like intestines and lungs anymore after a certain point because he'd just keep replacing them with artificial parts until he's eventually a full-on robot instead of a cyborg. He doesn't need thicker armor because there's few-to-no soft, squishy parts to protect, his whole body is metal. So in the end, All he actually NEEDS is a skeleton for moving and weapons attached to it, and the missile launchers and flamethrowers in his chest and on his wrists are clearly not that big.
But yes, that's Post-Deadly Alliance Sektor and Cyrax I'm talking about there.
At this point in history, they should BOTH be Iron Man-shaped. I don't agree that Cyrax's weapons arsenal is smaller or more compact than Sektor's.

There's no squishy man-meat, no. But have you ever seen the insides of a robot? Or the insides of a computer. MUCH more delicate than human flesh, bone, and muscle tissue. Sektor would still need to be protecting that. He'd need to protect that more than Cyrax would need to protect his human parts. You shake a computer hard enough it can break. You shake grown man and they'll be fine.

As for the size of the flame thrower and missle launcher, he needs a place to store the missles, and he needs a place to store the fuel for the flamethrower.

A computer is all brain. From the neck down, Sektor wouldn't be delicate silicon motherboards and spinning hard disks, he'd be sturdy hydraulic joints and such.
As for the missiles, an inexhaustible amount fits in his chest when his chest is human sized.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he MAKES the missiles inside himself somehow rather than storing a limited inventory. I don't think you understand just how advanced these guys actually are. Smoke's the only one whose body is made of nanotech, but that doesn't mean he's the only one who has nanotech, and nanobots are basically the science version of "a wizard did it", they can do fucking anything.
And both Sektor and Cyrax store shit a LOT bigger than missiles in their chests. The MKDA buzzsaw? The Trash Compactor? Even when fully collapsed, those things are ridiculously out of proportion. You cannot say Sektor needs more storage space because his chest is a fucking Bag of Holding. It leads to where Optimus Prime hides his trailer. It leads to where anime girls pull their giant mallets from. Look inside Sektor's chest when it's open, you'll see the true face of God.

What kind of foolishness is storing your brain in your most vulnerable area? No, I would think a fully mechanical Sektor would keep that stored in a heavily armored torso (or even pelvic area) instead of the most obvious and least protected place.

One more note, why are we even discussing this? The Sektor in this game is not pure robot Sektor. It's Sektor in his original cyborg form.

Edit wars are confusing, heh.

To address your "both should be Iron Man shaped, Cyrax's arsenal isn't more compact" statement, that wasn't my original point. My original point was that their arsenals lend themselves to different fighting styles, that the Lin Kuei would design around optimizing them, and, finally, that Cyrax's style is better suited to minimal armor for freer movement. As opposed to Sektor's whose arsenal is pretty much tank. Remember, these guys are not professional tournament fighters. They can engage in martial arts, but the Lin Kuei are mercenaries first and foremost. Against normal people, with the kind of weaponry he has, Sektor wouldn't even have to move to take down a group of people.

Sektor was built from a human so the CPU would HAVE to have started out attached to the real human brain. If any part of him can't be upgraded or moved, it would have to be the brain because removing the gray matter would kill him.

And we're discussing it because you started it. If you wanna change the subject, stop having dumb ideas.

"Nanobots are like a wizard did it" remember?

And I didn't start out discussing post-MK3 Sektor and Cyrax. My original stance seen above was in regards to the MK3 versions.

Also "Your opinion differs from mine so it's stupid." Real mature.

I reserve maturity for the worthwhile discussions.

You wanna talk about how Sektor should be big because of how many missiles he can fit in his chest, and he should hide his brain in his pelvis because no one would look for it there, you get me being a smartass.

How about asking why Reptile's blood is green in some games and red in others, or where Shao Kahn stores his hammer when he's not holding it while you're at it?

Truth be told, the cyborgs would need to be more organic than metal. Why:

- the brain is one of the most, if not the most energy consuming organ. It would need high amounts of oxygen, which requires lungs. This IMO is somewhat plausible with some oxygenating apparatus. However it wuld need nutrients what have been digested, so the second thing it direly needs is a stomach.

- cue Robocop and his tapioca pasta.

- mechanical parts as we know it currently would not be an efficient build. The terminator for example is the most vulnerable thing. The human body is made of superlayered tensile organic solids. Hydraulics are rigid, the biggest flaw would be that it is heavy and more prone to breaking.

- hence modern armour for example mostly uses plastics with metal. Infact, the most probable version of the cyberninjas would be a highly plastic shell and artificial supertensile muscles, and not motors and other whirly stuff.

However, clearly, realism isn't as important -and in this fictional context shouldn't be aswell- so how the cyborgs are made up is a question purely aesthethical.

All this talk is getting me Really Jacked for Smoke.

Sektor being more of a tank, Cyrax being a techy, I would immagine Smoke to be somewhere in the middle with a bulked but small build with a nice nice projectile (hopefully different froms corpions though).

You're the one who wished to discuss technical specs in terms of realism, not me, again, my point was Cyrax has gadgets, Sektor has ordinance, it makes sense the Lin Kuei would build them as they have in this game to capitalize on these aspects. But I was happy to engage you where you wanted to go. But I guess when you get backed into a corner you start acting like a five year old. Cool. Duly noted for future reference.

Casselman, I like your idea. Me personally, however, I'm speculating that Smoke will actually be human in this game, younger SubZ having in this timeline been turned into a cyborg after sacrificing himself to save his friend. But I actually think your plan for this game's Smoke would work great as a design for CyberSubZ if I end up having guessed correctly.

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hmm...so we might see another video ? :)

And you are seeing a distinction where I do not. Rockets aren't all that different from grenades, they both have massive collapsible apparatuses of the grabber and smasher and grinder varieties stored in there, and Sektor's only other "ordinance" are flamethrowers on his wrists which are visibly quite tiny. They can both teleport, they can both self-destruct, the only differences between the two that would separate their designs are what they did with their lives AFTER MK3. They're not Iron Man and War Machine, they're Iron Man and Iron Man.

So I explored other routes even when they weren't particularly relevant to MK9, like their Deadly Alliance stories or attempts to think about the cyborgs scientifically even though their Hammerspace chest compartments and general fictional nature defy all logic. But that's fine, I just wanted to look at the "why might one cyborg be built more bulky than the other" thing from every angle.
It's when you started coming up with ridiculous reasons why less flesh would somehow require more armor that things got weird. If you had just stuck with your "more armor and more weapons means more power" argument, that would've been fine. I'd still disagree, but at least you'd be making sense.
I didn't get childish because I was "backed into a corner", I got childish because the conversation became silly and that felt like the appropriate tone to take. Your ideas that all of Sektor's innards would be fragile like the inside of a PC, or that he should store his brain somewhere other than the skull, sound patently absurd to me and that's how I deal with absurdity.
I suppose the high road would have been to just bow out of the conversation altogether, but where's the fun in that?

At first I wasn't really fond of Cyrax's new design. But after seeing the images multiple times I must say he looks pretty "slick".
As for Kitana well I never really cared for her so I can't judge.
So far The Desert and The Belltower have so much detail I can't wait to see some gameplay videos.

Well hasn't this thread turned into a little novel. Nice read guys keep it up.

I thoroughly enjoy reading the opinions people have on different ideas and thoughts for the game. MK has been a passion of mine since 1992. Reading posts fills me in on back-story, and different aspects of gameplay. Why does he do this? Why did she do that? I am loving the discussions folks, but please keep it civil. After all we are all here for the same reason.
Thanks.

Man what a discussion haha. I personnaly am just dying for a video of cyrax in action!! Hopefully one will pop up today! optimism ftw.

On a complete and tottaly off-topic side note. Can someone please tell me how to quote someone else's post. Ive been on alot of forums and i cant figure out how to do it here.

Hit the reply button next to whoever you wanna quote and at the bottom of the Message Body, hit "Add Original".

I still wanna know how to view my old post, someone said you can do that. O_o?

You know, in the old MK games, like 1 and 2, Johnny Cage keeps his sunglasses in his pants apparently when he is fighting...kinda makes you wonder how they don't get broken when he falls, maybe he should get bigger pants...lol sorry couldn't resist, it just seems like this is where the thread is headed.

Quite a discussion on Cyrax and Sektor. Interesting read.

Cyborgs aren't robots. They're fusions of man and machine, like the Borg, Robocop, and Darth Vader. I love how they look very robotic and machine like, but the X-ray modes show off their human skeletons, organs, and a sort of mix of nervous system and wiring. Very unique.

Breaking up this discussion with something different. :U

I found these two screen shots on one of Ultimate Ryu's videos. I haven't seen them before so I thought I'd share.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/402/reptile.png
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/938/reptile2.png

Maybe I'm just slow, but I'm not arsed trawling through this topic to see if they're old. |D

DarzieP they are old bud but good looking out ^_^ I cant wait for some new screens and videos! IM DYING HERE!!! Friggen playing the hell out of MkvsDC and unchained. I WANT MEH SOME MORE MK9!!!

Exhaust ports on Sektor's back? Excellent.

The distinction is in application. As I said in a previous post, which one is more suited for live capture, and which for search and destroy? Which one would you send against multiple targets at once, which would you send against multiple targets in a building to be picked off one at a time? And once you've decided that, which one of those two should be built to absorb damage, and which one should be built to maneuver?