You know how you said, "MAYBE there is a problem with you"? The word 'maybe' entails that something is probable. And that's the point I made earlier when I said, "priorities come in different forms, on a case by case basis." And even though the circumstances of not having enough money for a game doesn't apply to me, it must to others.

I mean if this weren't the case, then why are many users on here saying that what WB is doing is BS?

Because many of the users here are fucking idiots. I'm sorry but there's no way to be nice about this kind of stuff. If you buy the game used you save an extra 5 bucks which will get you what in the long run? Nothing. If you want to play it online you drop the 10 dollars and now you've just wasted 65 dollars.

If you buy it new, you drop the 60 dollars and now you get the online code, saving you the extra 5 dollars. Also, your money goes straight to Gamestop when you buy used. That's how they make their money. Developers and publishers don't see that profit. They only make money off new games.

So yes, let's get all up in arms at WB for wanting to by pass Gamestop and make money off the license that they bought. How dare they, right?

You are aware that Video Game companies don't make a dime off of rentals and used games right? Yet people still expect things like online play, regular server maintenance and balance patches to be free. It all has to come at someone's expense and currently its renter and used game consumer.

"Sub-Zero's broken, they need to fix this shit!"

That kind of support comes at a price. Deal with it.

I mean, hypothetically. Let's say I own MK2011. And I play online at my house. But you invite me over. And we want to play online at your house, we can't, because I have the pass on my PS3?

Hidden fees always suck.

I don't like the way the industry is handling DLC in many cases, but I'm not so upset about this as others are.

The fact is that developers are loosing out on money from used game sales. There really isn't any arguing that. Yes, used game sales have been going on for years, but with the increasing cost of game production it begins to matter. Especially when online servers are running for the games, that is something developers have to maintain that they didn't in the past.

Combine this with the fact that Gamestop trains their employees to suggest used copies of games whenever possible (I've seen this countless times while in the store) People like me would rather pay the extra 5 bucks and support the developers, but a lot of other people don't care or don't realize how it hurts the industry and lines Gamestops greedy pockets. So when BIlly Bob asks for a copy of Mortal Kombat and the employee at Gamestop says "You can get a used copy for 5 bucks less" and the customer doesn't think about it and agrees, all that money goes to Gamestop and the guys who made the game see nothing for it. At least this way they have a chance to make 10 bucks back if that person chooses to play online which they might not.

So now to counteract this, game companies are charging you to go online if you don't pay for the game new. This only affects those who buy used and or rent games. Yea it is a bummer, but I don't feel like the companies are screwing us over with this one the way some are by holding out on content for DLC. I see people mentioning that they can't afford full price, well wait until the game drops and then buy it new. A lot of times if you wait a few months or less. the game will drop $10,20 or more and you still don't have to pay extra for online.

So I don't think this is as big a deal as some make it sound. I'm just worried how this might snowball into something worse like paying full price for a game and having to pay more to play online even if you buy the game new. If this was the case I would be pissed and it would change everything.

i work in a second hand games store and i hate this online pass token idea
they say its to curb piracy which is just a smokescreen
they just want to squeeze as much money as possible and i think its disgusting
if you want to curb piracy then stop charging £40 or $50 for games
they make enough money as it is but as always its never enough
i also think its an insult to those who pay to use xbox live
there needs to be a bigger backlash to this because eventually the idea will spread, everyone will do it. even on dvd's and blu rays, i know it sounds stupid but if there is a way for them to make more money than they will do it

No, it wouldn't matter. Piracy has been around before the hike in video game prices. Also, as stated, game companies don't make money off of used games, they make money off of new units only.

no they dont make money off second hand games but they already have made there money of a game thats been sold new. now someone who wants it cheaper second hand has to pay extra to go online. and yes piracy was around before the prices went up but not on such a large scale. the second hand market is popular right now because people dont want to spend £40 for a new game. the main reason there doing it is to make more money and yes business is about money but these days its getting out of hand in my opinion. they just w\ant more and more,
i may be buying this game new but i mostly buy games 2nd hand and i feel for all the customers in who come to my store because most of the people who come in my store arent the richest people
and these people are getting hit hard by this online token idea
sorry i suppose i hate the idea of a company making more money out of peopple

As I understand it XBOX360 keeps your account info server side so you should be good if you get the RROD

They can claim piracy but I think thats only a small part of the issue. They can use that magic word to justify anything they do. What theyre really ticked about is that when someone buys a game used they dont get any of the money. Well im strongly considering buying it used now solely because of that. A company that tries to scam you out of buying a game used doesnt deserve support. I refuse to buy any capcom game new now because of some of the dirty crap theyve pulled

I'll say. I leave, come back, and people are complaining about shit that doesn't even apply to them.

If the game comes out on April 21 in Europe, do i still get the code?

I LOLed

All this complaining over $10. Yeah sure, $10 here, $10 there...it adds up, I know. However, if you are buying the game new, you don't have to pay anything extra. If you are buying a game used and want to play online, then you'll have to pay the price. Honestly, it's not that much unless all you ever purchase is used games that have an online pass in effect. I mean, to all the people complaining and whining about how $10 doesn't fit into their budget...I highly doubt you'd be buying the game if $10 was too much for you. Take up an extra hour or two at work. Eat soup for a couple meals instead of fast food or whatever else you had planned. There are many ways to make $10 through work or cutting costs, so bitching about $10 as if it were the end of the world is just unnecessary.

A lot of the complaining doesn't even come from people who even understand the logistics and reasoning for it. As was stated before, companies don't make anything off of used games or rentals. When you buy a used game, it's only the store benefitting. Why do you think Gamestop buys your new games back for $20-25 only to resell them used for $55? They make a huge profit that way. Game companies are just trying to get consumers to pay for new copies, and if they don't, they have to at least give them $10 to play online. They offer a 2 day free sample of online, so the "I have to buy it blindly hoping its good etc." cries don't apply here. There's also the internet and reviews for finding out if online play is good and what it has to offer.

This was also done to stop people who pirate the game from getting to play their game online for free as well. If you pirate the game, you'll at least have to pay for the online. If that's the case, and all you are paying for is $10 for online, you have no reason to bitch or complain. Seeing as you are a huge contributer to the reason why this is taking place, since you are too cheap to pay for the fucking game in any capacity so you steal it, you have no right to bitch about the consequences for your actions. You should be apologizing for making everyone else pay for your ass.

Finally...you know what I find to be disgusting, as that word was used for this...all the people complaining their budgets are too low to afford a new copy, and can't afford the $10 more for the online play. You sound like a fucking spoiled kid complaining because he only got 1 ice cream scoop instead of two, and can't afford the 2nd one. Give me a break. If you have the money for internet each month to be posting on this forum, a game console, and used games...you aren't in too bad of shape. With countries and people in actual poverty, the amount of homeless people etc., and starving children etc. You are seriously gonna bitch about not being able to afford premium entertainment? Really? I'm not saying you should be donating all your funds to charities and whatnot, but dear god are you sad. Just be happy your biggest worry is not being able to afford online play in a fucking video game. Go days without food, a roof over your head, having no rights, no money etc. then we'll talk about priorities and whats worth bitching about. I know how lucky I am to have everything I do, and you won't see me bitching about $10 pretending like I have problems affording shit.

Wait, so if the game is sealed you get the code right...

Do they really think people who pirate games give a shit about their ability to play online? This will not fix A GOD DAMN THING.

Why are people making such a big deal out of this? It only affects people who buy the game used.

Sure, it's a greedy move in the neverending story of DLC, but you guys are acting like everyone has to buy a pass just to be able to play online.

you make a good point sir. :D
though since im studying to work in the game industry i want to find a way to have the game companies make profit from the used sales, why cant they make gamestop share a profit to the developers for selling the used product? or my company can do like valve and sell on steam, i dunno i just always thought it was unfair for a game company to not get any profit because someone who would have been a potential NEW buyer was convinced by gamestop to be a USED buyer so gamestop would get all the profit while the developers got none. i say the problem is with gamestop not sharing profit to the developers for taking all profits from used games, hell gamestop didnt develop the game so why should they get all the profit from that game?

I'm not suprised by this but i'm getting it new so i'm good!

I don't understand how so many users are so up in arms against this move by Warner Bros.

- If you buy the game new you have nothing to worry about, online

- If you pirate (steal) the game from Warner Bros. not only are you the cancer killing the gaming industry, but you are also hurting the Mortal Kombat franchise. $10 is a small price to pay if you are getting the game for free in the first place, scum.

- If you buy the game second hand, a one off payment of $10 for online is perfectly acceptable, not some 'underhanded tactic by the big companies'.

Warner Bros. spends millions of dollars (YES MILLIONS!) to make a game with no actual guarantee it will return one cent. Put yourself in Warner Bros. shoes for a second.

You should be glad Warner Bros is only charging $10. THEY ARE STILL LOSING MONEY. PLUS they still have to provide ongoing support after the games release: patches, server maintenance ALL HAS TO BE PAID FOR BY SOMEONE.

How do you expect business' to function if they are not making money?

Everyone should just get off their high horse, like Warner Bros. owes you something. They don't. Video games are a luxury people, not a necessity.

Genius!! I love Warner and I love NRS for actually doing this! Honestly they spend months, hours and tons of time creating the game and putting all these details into it. THEY SHOULD GET PAID AND BE GIVEN CREDIT FOR IT. I personally already pre-ordered so I am glad to know that someone who thinks they can benefit from my dollar if I should sell the game in the future wont do so.

This used game stuff has always put a bad taste in my mouth because here I am buying new games..and someone else gets the same treatment I get for less! BS..its unfair and it needs to change. If I do a job I expect to get paid for it. I hope all companies follow this standard.

This really comes down to Gamestop having a virtual monopoly nowadays on the used game market. There are plenty of local stores and chains, and I believe Toys 'R Us is in the midst of testing game trade-ins and used sales, but as it stands Gamestop is a corporate giant after having bought out quite a few older game retailers like EB Games.

All it really needs is the right competition to take it down a few pegs and simultaneously appease publishers.

I completely agree. This helps developers regain some of their losses from retailers multiplying their income on used games. Developers lose a potential sale with every used game purchase, and this helps them make a dent in that loss. This is good for NRS.

I'm all for companys doing this. Why shouldn't they see a penny from used games sales when companys are selling their game multiple times .

I remember an article on IGN recently with someone who makes games (cant remember who) it covered all this sorta stuff. Was a good read and I agree with him 100%.

Ohhh I've found it; Link