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RazorsEdge701

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•03/29/2011 04:02 AM (UTC) •

The thing of it though is that it was important for Quan to feign loyalty and pretend to be under Shinnok's thumb. There must have been a reason for that. Presumably, Shinnok does have something he can use against Quan, like his numbers of loyal subjects in the Brotherhood, or greater power than Quan-without-the-Amulet.

As for Quan-with-the-Amulet, yeah, he'd have Shinnok clearly outmatched...if he knew how the damn thing works. That was kinda what the story of his tattoos in MKDA was originally all about. It took Quan years to figure out what the amulet does and how to activate it and he found most of that knowledge written on ancient tablets hidden in the Netherealm. He burned the writing onto his skin so he wouldn't forget it.

I guess it's possible that in the reboot timeline, he found out how to use the amulet much sooner and that's why he has the tattoos and wears it openly in front of Shinnok's face...but that definitely changes the character dynamic between Quan Chi and Shinnok. I mean...

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presumably Shinnok is supposed to be the boss character of the next game since the plot hints that they're going to retell MK4 next, so you don't want him to be aware that he's actually his second in command's bitch. It kills his threatening stature.

T-rex

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•03/29/2011 04:15 AM (UTC) •

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

T-rex Wrote:
lol,this always bothered me for as long as I can remember.

A fair point...but on the other hand, maybe it was a really good fake? I mean Quan IS the best sorcerer in the realms. Why couldn't he make one convincing enough to fool the gods?

And who says Shinnok even has any special senses, or how good those senses are? Remember, he was stripped of his godhood when he was banished to Hell. There's nothin' saying he's actually all that powerful, his status as king of Hell is largely the result of Quan putting him on the throne as a puppet ruler.

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T-rex Wrote:

Shinnok was a fool for putting his trust in Quan Chi,the Revolver Ocelot of MK,but he wasn't a complete fucking dumbass. I mean,what,Quan Chi just gave him the amulet,and Shinnok didn't even test if it works? Besides,he's an Elder God AND he created the fucking thing - he should be able to instantly tell a fake,just by the power levels emanating from it or some shit.

Actually,I always thought the fake amulet Shinnok was given and the real one that Quan Chi had were sorta linked. Through the fake,Shinnok could tap into the powers and energies of the real amulet,which would certainly fool him into believing he had the real one. That link,however,could be severed by Quan Chi whenever he felt like it,which is exactly what he did in his ending - Shinnok's amulet just stopped working,like someone pulled a plug on it.

This also explains why Shinnok's power instantly dropped when Scorpion teleported Quan back to the Netherrealm - his connection to the real Amulet was suddenly severed.

SmokeNc-017

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•03/29/2011 04:15 AM (UTC) •

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
The thing of it though is that it was important for Quan to feign loyalty and pretend to be under Shinnok's thumb. There must have been a reason for that. Presumably, Shinnok does have something he can use against Quan, like his numbers of loyal subjects in the Brotherhood, or greater power than Quan-without-the-Amulet.

As for Quan-with-the-Amulet, yeah, he'd have Shinnok clearly outmatched...if he knew how the damn thing works. That was kinda what the story of his tattoos in MKDA was originally all about. It took Quan years to figure out what the amulet does and how to activate it and he found most of that knowledge written on ancient tablets hidden in the Netherealm. He burned the writing onto his skin so he wouldn't forget it.

I guess it's possible that in the reboot timeline, he found out how to use the amulet much sooner and that's why he has the tattoos and wears it openly in front of Shinnok's face...but that definitely changes the character dynamic between Quan Chi and Shinnok. I mean...

You know what else kills his threatening stature? His dress.

Seriously though, we can only speculate until the next game is announced. Why does Quan Chi have the amulet? How does Shinnok feel about that? Will Sub-Zero remain how he is in this game? Will Kai ever prove himself to be more than a useless bunch of polygons? What kind of polish does Kano use on his cybernetic eye? All these questions will be asked and not really answered in the next game.

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•03/29/2011 04:22 AM (UTC) •

TheOmniOni Wrote:
I'm not sure what's worse though. His appearance or the fact that they are pushing him to replace Shang Tsung. THE Mortal Kombat villain. I have such a love/hate feeling with Quan Chi. He was the only character I liked in MK4 and then they pair him with my favorite character of all time Shang. But now NRS feels he should be the new guy taking over the originator? Hell no. If anything they should just mesh the two together. (Always what i thought the last boss of MKDA should have been.) Behold! Shang Chi.

I never understood the love Quan gets. We already have an evil manipulative, sorcerer do we really need another one? I know some of you will say "Oh JB that is bs, because Quan was in the timeline first." True, but he wasn't created first. Shang was. Not too mention his goth metal look never struck me as MK even though it does make him unique.

I say don't merge the two, just get rid of Quan. There should be a new villain with each game, and Shang should always be side villain who has plan of his own.

RazorsEdge701

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•03/29/2011 04:23 AM (UTC) •

T-rex Wrote:

T-rex Wrote:
Actually,I always thought the fake amulet Shinnok was given and the real one that Quan Chi had were sorta linked. Through the fake,Shinnok could tap into the powers and energies of the real amulet,which would certainly fool him into believing he had the real one. That link,however,could be severed by Quan Chi whenever he felt like it,which is exactly what he did in his ending - Shinnok's amulet just stopped working,like someone pulled a plug on it.

This also explains why Shinnok's power instantly dropped when Scorpion teleported Quan back to the Netherrealm - his connection to the real Amulet was suddenly severed.

I suppose that would be a simple enough explanation.

One wonders though, did Shinnok even use the fake amulet in MK4? I mean, there's really no mention of the amulet being part of his plan of attack anywhere in the plot, the only glimpse of it anywhere in the game, besides Quan revealing he has the real thing in his ending, was a single attract screen of Shinnok standing around with it mounted to the end of a staff.

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•03/29/2011 04:24 AM (UTC) •

I think everyone's looking too deeply into Quan Chi's design.

The MK Team probably just had him with the tats and amulet because they were too lazy to redesign him...or because they decided not to change him since people are so used to that design. It could just be a design decision.

Well, anyway, we'll know in MK10.

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•03/29/2011 04:27 AM (UTC) •

PsychoFight Wrote:
I think everyone's looking too deeply into Quan Chi's design.

The MK Team probably just had him with the tats and amulet because they were too lazy to redesign him...or because they decided not to change him since people are so used to that design. It could just be a design decision.

Well, anyway, we'll know in MK10.

Good character design says a lot about a character's backstory. See Kratos as an example. And it's fun to speculate on the reasons as to why they're dressed the way they are.

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•03/29/2011 04:35 AM (UTC) •

Well like I said...they probably just got lazy. In the end, it has nothing to do with the story. Alot of games do that.

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•03/29/2011 04:38 AM (UTC) •

SmokeNc-017 Wrote:

Good character design says a lot about a character's backstory. See Kratos as an example. And it's fun to speculate on the reasons as to why they're dressed the way they are.

I agree. At least in god of war they explained why or saw why kratos is wearing his current attire. I wish thay could do the same with Quan Chi.

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•03/29/2011 04:48 AM (UTC) •

This game should not have a single ounce of laziness put into it. We were given enough of that in past games. Laziness should not be a reason for any error found in this game, but sadly, it appears it is.

Wanderer

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•03/29/2011 04:53 AM (UTC) •

Maybe they retconned Mythologies out of existence and Quan Chi is holding the amulet for another reason entirely.

RazorsEdge701

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•03/29/2011 04:58 AM (UTC) •

Wanderer Wrote:
Maybe they retconned Mythologies out of existence and Quan Chi is holding the amulet for another reason entirely.

Well Raiden makes a small reference to Mythologies in the script,

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He mentions how Bi-Han's death is regrettable when Scorpion kills him in the tournament, because he once helped Raiden fight against the forces of Quan Chi and Shinnok.

They could always change the details, I suppose, but one imagines that if they bothered to keep that small reference in, then they still want it to be canon that Sub-Zero was once hired by Quan to steal the amulet, stole a fake one back from him, and along the way killed Hanzo Hasashi and, if they ever bring her back, met Sareena.

PsychoFight

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•03/29/2011 05:11 AM (UTC) •

Sorry! Nevermind! Forgot to add SPOILER.

RazorsEdge701

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•03/29/2011 05:13 AM (UTC) •

PsychoFight Wrote:
I'm betting that more retcons to the game will come as MK goes on, but until then, I'm keeping everything else intact.

I don't know if you've read the script leak or not...but let's just say the possibility of keeping things "intact" between MK9 and the old timeline is completely out the window.

They have changed a great number of things withOUT using Raiden's time message as the reason. MK9 is just a straight up separate new continuity, like the difference between the regular Marvel universe and the Ultimate universe.
Sure, Mythologies happened in both worlds, at least the broad strokes of it...just like Peter Parker gets bit by a spider in both worlds. But you will notice other things are different, some of them very obvious.

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•03/29/2011 06:29 AM (UTC) •

Maaan, from now until MK10 or beyond I'm gonna be wondering whether or not the new storyline really is Mortal Kombat's equivalent to Ultimate Marvel and that means we might end up getting a Mortal Kombat multiverse.
Although that idea intrigues me slightly. Why did it have to be WB?

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•03/29/2011 06:56 AM (UTC) •

Raiden physically teleports himself to the past, what Raiden didn't know is that Quan Chi grabbed his cape as it happen....or something similar.

That's my theory.

I always liked Quan Chi's outfits. No bitching from here.

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•03/29/2011 06:07 PM (UTC) •

There isn't any teleportation to the past. Raiden just sends a message to his former self then history rewrites itself.

WeaponTheory Wrote:
Raiden physically teleports himself to the past, what Raiden didn't know is that Quan Chi grabbed his cape as it happen....or something similar.

That's my theory.

Jaded-Raven

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•03/29/2011 06:13 PM (UTC) •

WeaponTheory Wrote:
Raiden physically teleports himself to the past, what Raiden didn't know is that Quan Chi grabbed his cape as it happen....or something similar.

That's my theory.

I always liked Quan Chi's outfits. No bitching from here.

Do you even read the posts in the threads before you make up your own theories? Because that's not what happens. Raiden sends his past self a mental message of visions about what's to come.

Just to clarify:

THERE IS NO TIME-TRAVELLING IN THIS GAME!!!

I hope that helped. ^^

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•03/29/2011 07:16 PM (UTC) •

Wait a second. If Raiden travels to the past, what will happen if he meets himself?

OK JR, now I'm just messing with you.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Rex, don't let the "I'm positive about everything, I can't believe you have a critical eye" ones get to you. That's just all coming from excitement and hype because the game hasn't come out yet. The same excitement and hype and people who refused to hear any negative words preceded EVERY game...except maybe vs DCU because most of the fanbase didn't get past the premise.

There's 80 to a hundred people on the board right now...and almost all those people are here because all they wanna talk about is how excited they are for April 19th. That's inevitably going to bleed into every thread where someone isn't happy with an aspect of the game.

And what happens years later when they look back at those same games? You hear a lot more reasonable analyses of the flaws/virtues of Shaolin Monks, you hear almost nothing but negativity towards MK4 thru Armageddon...Hell, there are still a huge number of people in the world who hold the opinion that MK2 was the best Mortal Kombat game...and those people react to every single new game coming out with "This'll be the one! This looks like my new favorite!" And after the game comes out, they go right back to "MK2 was the best in the series."

Give it a year or two, the fanbase will be sane and capable of entertaining actual criticism again without people jumping down your throat for caring about details.

I need to somehow put this in my signature or something. I hope you don't mind Razor.

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•03/29/2011 07:22 PM (UTC) •

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
MK9 is just a straight up separate new continuity, like the difference between the regular Marvel universe and the Ultimate universe.

That's how i'm looking at this game as well.

-MK1/2/3/4/DA/D/A= Original Timeline
-MK2011>>>>>>>>= Ultimate Timeline

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•03/29/2011 07:35 PM (UTC) •

The only difference is MK616 isn't coming back.

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•03/29/2011 07:43 PM (UTC) •

if quan chi dident have the amulet and tatts he would look boring imo and the his green flaming skull move is irreplaceable. and how could he not be in this game he has too much plot with scorpion

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•03/29/2011 07:46 PM (UTC) •

Fenix Wrote:
The only difference is MK616 isn't coming back.

If enough people bitch and rage,it will.

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•03/29/2011 07:49 PM (UTC) •

T-rex Wrote:

Fenix Wrote:
The only difference is MK616 isn't coming back.

If enough people bitch and rage,it will.

Wait, what? What is MK616?

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•03/29/2011 07:52 PM (UTC) •

unseenwombat Wrote:
Wait, what? What is MK616?

He's referring to the fact that the "main",canon continuity in the Marvel universe is Earth-616.

There can be all sorts of spinoffs and alternate interpretations and retcons and Elseworlds and shit,but 616 is always there for both the readers and the writers alike to fall back on.

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