I still have to put forth that the tattoo issue can easily be reconciled.

They don't need to be the same ones he got from Onaga's tomb.

Yes, but...




If you retcon something like that, (if NRS is even aware of it) you should explain it right away.

I understand where you are coming from.

But to me, at least, thats insignificant.

Besides do the tattoos even look the same? I have not checked.

They don't.

But at this point in the story,Quan Chi shouldn't have any tattoos to begin with. I'm hoping for a explanation,but I doubt I'll get one,considering that this model was supposed to be DLC for MKvsDC,and they just imported it without any changes at all.

did you say she?

Nevermind....

I don't think in story mode Quan Chi would just come out and say "Hey guys! Check out my sweet tats I didnt get from Onaga this time!"

New tattoos are now just a cosmetic change, like Smoke's new hair. This seems very likely to me. I doubt a tiny detail like that will be explained outright in the story.

Rather I expect to find out theyre just cosmetic from a Boon interview or some junk.

The roster leaks I found out are from the same demo the other leaks came from. There could be a good chance that they have changed some stuff. I'm only hoping, but who knows.

No no...


I like your idea when Quan Chi comes out and announces it right away

But they're not a cosmetic change. They have actual story relevance. If you actually followed the story,you'd know this.

It's like Sub-Zero scar. There has to be a reason he has it and there has to be a certain time frame when he could've gotten it.

Same thing with Quan Chi's tats.


Which,I suppose,shows just how much of a shit NRS gives about its own canon.

Well havings things that had purpose in later games appear early then it does usually needs explanation as in the tattoo case. smokes hair had no purpose or use in the storyline which makes it ok to change without question.

If you read what I'm saying I'm FULLY aware the tattoos are significant. Don't say I don't follow the story when I talked about how he got the originals earlier.

BUT

I'm fully aware this is a reboot and these NEW tattoos can just be a cosmetic change. Therefore in the REBOOT there are many ways for Quan Chi to go about getting the information from Onaga's tomb later on.

The most simple one being "Getting more tattoos".

*shrug*

I suppose that's one way of looking at it.


Thing is,though... In the old continuity,Quan Chi's tattoos had a lot of story relevance and were a major plot point. They had purpose. More than that,they advanced the story and actually justified a design change.

And in this new continuity,it's just some cosmetic change they threw on as an afterthought.

Do you see how this might be a bad thing?

The problem in a nutshell.

Y'know some of the devs like Rigo were recently tweeting references to an old SNL skit where, at a convention panel, William Shatner yells at Trekkies to "get a life".

Difference is, it ain't Shatner's JOB to remember what happened in scene 3B of episode 65. He's just an actor, he's allowed to be offended by fans expecting him to have attention to detail and photographic memory.

However, It IS in the actual job description of writing and art staff on a piece of creative media, to know what ALL of the story is in their franchise and whether or not a character is wearing a very major plot device on his costume.

Did Crisis Core forget what Cloud's Final Fantasy 7 costume is supposed to look like? Was Advent Children allowed to change the color of Cloud's eyes so they're not bright blue-green from Mako anymore? Fuck no, some creators actually bother to keep track of these things.

Some games like Legend of Zelda can get away with not following a timeline, making every game so that it could be a standalone, but also could be a sequel to the last, playing it vague on purpose. They can get away with it because they've ALWAYS done it like that.

Some games like Super Mario Bros. can get away with not having any storyline at all because they're just for kids or just for fun, like a Saturday morning cartoon.

But from MK2 through to Deception, the games always very strictly kept track of what happened in their continuity, they built up that expectation in the fans that they would always keep track and pay attention to richness and little details.

Then all of a sudden, they changed, they just spontaneously stopped being so good at remembering things and turned out Shaolin Monks, then Armageddon, and now this game.

What changed and why? And why are we devoted fans of the story suddenly treated as the assholes for remembering details better than the people whose job it is to remember them now?
If they didn't want fans who are passionate and remember stuff, maybe they never should've written such a detailed mythology in the first place?

Quan Chi being in the game in the first place is a bad thing.

I get where you guys are coming from. Youre annoyed they turned what used to be a plot point into a cosmetic change. Its an understandable complaint.

For me though, I can handle it. Since storywise, he has not gotten them yet, theres plenty of things they can do.

You may not be cool with this idea but if Quan Chi received the same information he got from the tattoos through some other means, I would not have an issue. The story would remain the same, only difference would be that the tattoos are not a large part of the plot...it will just be transferred to something else.

I guess I'm just more laid back towards knocking around the canon a bit more than other people. Quan Chi tattooing the Onaga's tomb info on himself is not what made me like the character. If he gets that same information through other means, I'll be content.

However, if he openly shows his amulet to Shinnok and destroys the entire "backstabbing mastermind" aspect of his character....then I'd be more annoyed.

This needs to be re-emphasized.

Guys.

We are not picking everything apart because we're assholes.




We are doing it because we love Mortal Kombat. We want to see it blossom into the epic saga it always deserved to be.

It would be a different story if the series never rose above mediocrity,never baited us with intriguing characters and a rich universe. Because if that was the case,we wouldn't even bother wasting all of the time and creative juices we've been investing into it here on MKO.

But that's the thing - we know what the writers behind MK are capable of. They are more than capable of both meeting and succeeding our expectations. We know this for a fact because they've done it before.

That's why it's twice as disappointing. Because we know they can do better.

( I finally read script)

@ T-rex:

If you want people to listen to you, then being an asshole about it isn't really the best approach. When people start seeing you as an asshole, they will stop listening to you, even if what you say is reasonable.

Think about it.

Realistically no I dont expect them to, but a man can dream can't he?

Hey, all. Only my second post in the forums. Wish it didn't have to be under these circumstances, but I seriously feel the need to interject here. Take my words however you wish. I know I'm not a warrior or champion or what-have-you, but maybe the thoughts of an outsider will help clarify the situation.

Razor and T-rex, let me first say it's a great pleasure to be talking with both you. Both of you really know your MK history and lore. For that, you deserve to be highly commended. I myself have been playing MK since the beginning (at the age of '3' no less). I don't think I have a supreme mastery over the lore like you two (being a young child through many of the games), but I do believe I have a decent understanding of what's going on where and to who in the MK universe NOW (thanks to years of recently researching the franchise in my free time).

You're both true MK Fans. I doubt anyone would question that, and no one seems to be. However, you ARE both assholes. 100%, without a doubt, puckered and unyielding assholes.

NOW, you are not assholes for pointing out flaws (sometimes glaring) in the most recent games. In fact, you're doing everyone a service by pointing out these errors. NRS may choose to fix them or not. And if they don't, then at least we know how it SHOULD be (thanks to both of you and your vigilance). And I thank you for that. Keeping track of what is canon and what isn't can be hard for some of us.

See, what makes ou both assholes is your TONE, and indeed, overal demeanor. I've read many of your posts, and I've read many of the posts regarding you. Your problem? You have a superior, holier-than-thou attitude when it comes to MK, NRS, and the opinions of others. Someone says they like the game and the changes, you come off with some smartass reply that should never have seen the light of day. NRS makes a change, you scoff. Another MK Fan likes the way the tattoos look on Quan Chi, and you go on a rant how he shouldn't have the tattoos to begin with. Ok, so be it. He shouldn't have the tattoos in accordance with the established timeline. But, that doesn't mean he can't still look cool (please excuse the double negative :D). Nor does it invalidate the fictious MK Fan's opinion of Quan Chi. You simply act like that just because you have a greater grasp on the history of MK, and you think your words carry more weight on MK. You KNOW better. You KNOW you're in a 'silent majority', and that will come to light eventually. You KNOW everyone will play the game and see it for the 'trainwreck' it is and will see that you've been right all along, and it was wrong to question you. And that's why you're both assholes. Rather than let people form their own opinions on MK9, you think that just because you know the history inside and out, and just because you read the spoilers, you feel it's your duty to shoot down all opinions that don't conform to your own. Not only is it an asshole's attitude, it also smacks of ugly arrogance.

The history is important. No doubt. But what is even more important than that? The fun. Our experiences and the opinions we form from those experiences. The anticipation of a new MK game that NRS has obviously tried to do a good job on (be it for money or the fans). It's the thrill of kombat and playing with your best friends. Of playing in the same universe we all love, ever since 1992.

Some of the best times in my life have been playing Mortal Kombat with my big brother. Was I agonizing over the continuity? Nope. Am I upset when something in the MK universe doesn't make sense? You bet, but I NEVER let it destroy the wonderful experience MK has always brought me. Sure, some characters look dumb sometimes, but in the end, it's just a game. A game made and owned by 4 guys back in '92.

If there's a continuity error, either it will be fixed or it won't. If it doesn't, 'shrug'. It's not as though the entire history is an utter sack of shit, riddled with plot-holes. If anything, it just goes to show us all what a rich, diverse, and vast history MK does have. Sometimes, people make mistakes. Big deal.

TL;DR: You're not assholes for pointing out errors. You're assholes because you ACT like ASSHOLES. That being said, if you look past this, you're both important and valuable members of the MK community. And I would consider it an honor to challenge either of you in Mortal Kombat...or any other MK fan for that matter. We're all brothers and sisters when it comes to Mortal Kombat, regardless of our background, opinions, or familiarity with the lore.

For the love of the game...and the fond memories of fighting, long into the night, with your friend, sister, or big brother. Both in the past, and in the coming future.

^Remember that, Razor and Rex. That's what's truly important about MK.

PS: I realize I'll probably receive skulls for this, and as I stated earlier, I wish my second post didn't have to warrant that, but I truly feel I said what needed to be said.

-Rea5veR-

Thank you,I'll take it as a compliment. :3


Okay,I'll be serious for once.

You see,I believe that an opinion alone is not worth all that much,but when it's backed up with reasonable arguments as to how exactly you've arrived at a particular conclusion,that's when it becomes a lot more solid.

I think I'll speak for both Razor and myself when I say that,if you noticed,we always make an effort to go into great detail about the topic at hand. If you ask us if we hate Cyber-Zero,we can come up with pages upon pages of reasons as to why exactly it's a terrible idea.

It's not like we get our opinions from a crystal ball. It's just logic,some understanding of the basic principles of writing and knowledge of the MK storyline. That's all it is.

So if you disagree with us and you think that you know better,prove us wrong. Convince us that CSZ will greatly benefit and enrich the story. Back your side of the argument with reasoning. Present a better case then us.

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