1st of all
All the majord stuff is covered in the story-mode and we have't seen it with out eyes in action.
If you expect a fleshed out story-mode with 40 hours of walkthrough and different interactions than play a different game and not a fighting game.
If you can't live with that... Than enjoy the bios and endings... Cuz it is done exactly the same way as in the past or even better. Back then we hadn't bios but just 2 sentences in a booklet.
Awesome. Dunno what you have been expecting. A master piece of literature or a Oscar-class movie?
Than you are in the wrong genre. And it is SIMPLE as that.
All the majord stuff is covered in the story-mode and we have't seen it with out eyes in action.
If you expect a fleshed out story-mode with 40 hours of walkthrough and different interactions than play a different game and not a fighting game.
If you can't live with that... Than enjoy the bios and endings... Cuz it is done exactly the same way as in the past or even better. Back then we hadn't bios but just 2 sentences in a booklet.
Awesome. Dunno what you have been expecting. A master piece of literature or a Oscar-class movie?
Than you are in the wrong genre. And it is SIMPLE as that.
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KiShiDo has a very good point here. Agreed.
Back in time, Mk1,2,3 were mere lots of informations crossed, non-canon and canon stuff all mixed and cooked up together ...
Now, we have a "reboot remake" modern version of that time, but, with facts being changed and adapted to the new reality.
Thumbs up for NRS & Ed for having balls to go against the "well-known" things stipulated in old MK games made almost 20 years ago, and now, bringing back all beloved characters, but , giving a story where everyone will appear and have a spot, some more than others, but, whatever .....
It's MK, the game and characters we love, so, it's OK to change the old retroactive concepts regarding this franchise .... the same thing over and over again is boring as hell .... so, I loved the spoiled leaks regarding Liu Kang, Shang Tsung, Kitana and Sub-Zero endings : it's something diferent and bring diferent visions.
Back in time, Mk1,2,3 were mere lots of informations crossed, non-canon and canon stuff all mixed and cooked up together ...
Now, we have a "reboot remake" modern version of that time, but, with facts being changed and adapted to the new reality.
Thumbs up for NRS & Ed for having balls to go against the "well-known" things stipulated in old MK games made almost 20 years ago, and now, bringing back all beloved characters, but , giving a story where everyone will appear and have a spot, some more than others, but, whatever .....
It's MK, the game and characters we love, so, it's OK to change the old retroactive concepts regarding this franchise .... the same thing over and over again is boring as hell .... so, I loved the spoiled leaks regarding Liu Kang, Shang Tsung, Kitana and Sub-Zero endings : it's something diferent and bring diferent visions.
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Chrome Wrote:
Define well written and good plot.
Define well written and good plot.
I'll answer this question
A GOOD Plot/Story does not throw random characters into parts of the story that they had no significant purpose being included into.
i.e Quan Chi & Nightwolf in MK1
What is the point of these guys being there durring that part of the story other then being someone for us the player to beat up? the answer is Absolutely Nothing.
I've read the script and there is 0 reason for them being there and the story gives 0 information as to why.
Now i will say this i am ok with Sektor and Cyrax being there at MK1 because at least there is a fucking explaination as to why they are there.
Baraka being there makes no sense either but at leat him being there durring MK1 makes more sense then Quan Chi and Nightwolf
(p.s if it sounds like i'm yelling or am pissed off its not at you)
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Kishido, I haven't answered your question because I already dealt with the number one error you're making the FIRST time I responded to you.
Your WHOLE argument revolves around the idea that "A story mode is automatically better than bios because characters talk to each other."
That's retarded. Talking doesn't automatically make the characters better if the things that HAPPEN in story mode make them MORE SHALLOW THAN THEY WERE THE FIRST TIME.
Examples:
Your WHOLE argument revolves around the idea that "A story mode is automatically better than bios because characters talk to each other."
That's retarded. Talking doesn't automatically make the characters better if the things that HAPPEN in story mode make them MORE SHALLOW THAN THEY WERE THE FIRST TIME.
Examples:
Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
Reptile USED to have a very clearly defined role. He was Shang Tsung's bodyguard during the tournament. In the new canon...he has no specific rank or mission at all, not in his new bio and not in storymode, he's just a random Outworld fighter in the tournaments. Reptile almost NEVER shows up during the game, almost NEVER talks, and does nothing worth talking about. MK9 Reptile is beyond a doubt a less well written character than MK1 thru 3 Reptile even though MK9 has a story mode and MK1 thru 3 only had bios.
In MK3, Sheeva was the primary example of how the Shokan hated the Centaurs, and her jealousy of Motaro led her to kill him, and in turn be killed by Shao Kahn with Kano's help, which led to Kano being promoted to general to replace Motaro, as a reward for his loyalty. In THIS game...Sheeva guards prisoners. She shows up maybe twice, doesn't say anything interesting, and is defeated easily like cannon fodder. And Motaro doesn't show up at all, killed off-screen by a throwaway mention. Those two characters certainly aren't more developed in MK9 than they were in MK3, huh, are they? You can't even argue that.
And while we're on Kano, his rivalry with Sonya is almost entirely gone now that he didn't kill a partner of her's, he was just this timeline's version of Hsu Hao. He fights her during MK1, but nothing comes of it, it's a brief scuffle and he runs away. He gets a nice scene with Kabal during the MK3 stuff, but that's ALL he gets. He and Sonya never have a climactic final battle like they did in the original MK3, where Sonya tossed Kano off a roof and thinks he's dead while Kano saved a lock he ripped out of her hair as a symbolic way of holding a grudge against her. So Sonya and Kano both suffer as characters in MK9 compared to their old selves. And by the way, most of the stuff Kano does in MK9 revolves around SELLING weapons to Kahn's army instead of joining Kahn's army and showing them how to use them? SELLING? Outworld uses Earth money now? Or are they paying him in fucking gold dubloons? THIS IS STUPID.
Sindel was a major part of the plot in the original MK3, particularly the exploration of her relationship with Kitana, as Kitana is meant to free her mind and the two of them restore Edenia. In this game, Kitana and Sindel have, like two or three lines between them and that's IT. Sindel doesn't even show up for most of the MK3 stuff.
And I mentioned Mileena, yes? MK2 told us Kitana and her had long worked together, Kitana thinking Mileena was really her deformed twin sister. Mileena was considered a FAILED clone because of her mouth, so instead of replacing Kitana, she fought beside and spied on her to make sure she wouldn't betray Kahn. Well in MK9, Mileena is literally a newborn, and Kahn LIKES the fucking fangs and is HAPPY to have her replace Kitana as his daughter. This is not deeper, this is not an improvement. This is incredibly shallowing to Kitana and Mileena's characters.
And then there's Jade, who is never really forced to choose between loyalty to Kahn or loyalty to her best friend like she was in the original UMK3. In MK9, the MOMENT Kitana is locked up, Jade immediately tries to break her out. Drama? Internal conflict? What's that?
And oh god, Scorpion. WHY is he even AT the second tournament in this game, if he already fucking knows Kuai Liang is not "his" Sub-Zero? What fucking reason does he have to be an entrant in that tournament? The same goes for Quan Chi being a tournament fighter in both MK1 and 2. Quan Chi and Scorpion are fighting for Kahn's side? They're not from Outworld!
What happened to that rule that you have to fight for your own realm? You know, the one that's the WHOLE reason Bo' Rai Cho's never been in a Mortal Kombat tournament? The one that has to still exist in this timeline because Bo' Rai Cho is still Liu's teacher in this timeline! I thought the whole reason to even do a remake was to get rid of plotholes and make it better than it was the last time? Not CREATE plotholes!
And then there's all the things that don't actually have to do with how characters are different from how they used to be. I've said it several times now, the last act, maybe the whole second HALF of the script is RUSHED. MK3 is the most complicated of the three games, in terms of plot points and events that they could have/should have covered, but the Invasion is the SHORTEST third of the script in MK9! HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?!
Reptile USED to have a very clearly defined role. He was Shang Tsung's bodyguard during the tournament. In the new canon...he has no specific rank or mission at all, not in his new bio and not in storymode, he's just a random Outworld fighter in the tournaments. Reptile almost NEVER shows up during the game, almost NEVER talks, and does nothing worth talking about. MK9 Reptile is beyond a doubt a less well written character than MK1 thru 3 Reptile even though MK9 has a story mode and MK1 thru 3 only had bios.
In MK3, Sheeva was the primary example of how the Shokan hated the Centaurs, and her jealousy of Motaro led her to kill him, and in turn be killed by Shao Kahn with Kano's help, which led to Kano being promoted to general to replace Motaro, as a reward for his loyalty. In THIS game...Sheeva guards prisoners. She shows up maybe twice, doesn't say anything interesting, and is defeated easily like cannon fodder. And Motaro doesn't show up at all, killed off-screen by a throwaway mention. Those two characters certainly aren't more developed in MK9 than they were in MK3, huh, are they? You can't even argue that.
And while we're on Kano, his rivalry with Sonya is almost entirely gone now that he didn't kill a partner of her's, he was just this timeline's version of Hsu Hao. He fights her during MK1, but nothing comes of it, it's a brief scuffle and he runs away. He gets a nice scene with Kabal during the MK3 stuff, but that's ALL he gets. He and Sonya never have a climactic final battle like they did in the original MK3, where Sonya tossed Kano off a roof and thinks he's dead while Kano saved a lock he ripped out of her hair as a symbolic way of holding a grudge against her. So Sonya and Kano both suffer as characters in MK9 compared to their old selves. And by the way, most of the stuff Kano does in MK9 revolves around SELLING weapons to Kahn's army instead of joining Kahn's army and showing them how to use them? SELLING? Outworld uses Earth money now? Or are they paying him in fucking gold dubloons? THIS IS STUPID.
Sindel was a major part of the plot in the original MK3, particularly the exploration of her relationship with Kitana, as Kitana is meant to free her mind and the two of them restore Edenia. In this game, Kitana and Sindel have, like two or three lines between them and that's IT. Sindel doesn't even show up for most of the MK3 stuff.
And I mentioned Mileena, yes? MK2 told us Kitana and her had long worked together, Kitana thinking Mileena was really her deformed twin sister. Mileena was considered a FAILED clone because of her mouth, so instead of replacing Kitana, she fought beside and spied on her to make sure she wouldn't betray Kahn. Well in MK9, Mileena is literally a newborn, and Kahn LIKES the fucking fangs and is HAPPY to have her replace Kitana as his daughter. This is not deeper, this is not an improvement. This is incredibly shallowing to Kitana and Mileena's characters.
And then there's Jade, who is never really forced to choose between loyalty to Kahn or loyalty to her best friend like she was in the original UMK3. In MK9, the MOMENT Kitana is locked up, Jade immediately tries to break her out. Drama? Internal conflict? What's that?
And oh god, Scorpion. WHY is he even AT the second tournament in this game, if he already fucking knows Kuai Liang is not "his" Sub-Zero? What fucking reason does he have to be an entrant in that tournament? The same goes for Quan Chi being a tournament fighter in both MK1 and 2. Quan Chi and Scorpion are fighting for Kahn's side? They're not from Outworld!
What happened to that rule that you have to fight for your own realm? You know, the one that's the WHOLE reason Bo' Rai Cho's never been in a Mortal Kombat tournament? The one that has to still exist in this timeline because Bo' Rai Cho is still Liu's teacher in this timeline! I thought the whole reason to even do a remake was to get rid of plotholes and make it better than it was the last time? Not CREATE plotholes!
And then there's all the things that don't actually have to do with how characters are different from how they used to be. I've said it several times now, the last act, maybe the whole second HALF of the script is RUSHED. MK3 is the most complicated of the three games, in terms of plot points and events that they could have/should have covered, but the Invasion is the SHORTEST third of the script in MK9! HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?!
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Heya Razor, I've done a little writing. Are you published anywhere?
I read your synopsis, but I'm not gonna read the actual leak. I've spoiled it enough for myself.
I would have to say Liu Kang is more of an interesting character now than he was before. He used to just be "kung fu movie knock off guy," but now he's something more original, don't you think?
I read your synopsis, but I'm not gonna read the actual leak. I've spoiled it enough for myself.
I would have to say Liu Kang is more of an interesting character now than he was before. He used to just be "kung fu movie knock off guy," but now he's something more original, don't you think?
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Kishido, I haven't answered your question because I already dealt with the number one error you're making the FIRST time I responded to you.
Your WHOLE argument revolves around the idea that "A story mode is automatically better than bios because characters talk to each other."
That's retarded. Talking doesn't automatically make the characters better if the things that HAPPEN in story mode make them MORE SHALLOW THAN THEY WERE THE FIRST TIME.
Examples:
Kishido, I haven't answered your question because I already dealt with the number one error you're making the FIRST time I responded to you.
Your WHOLE argument revolves around the idea that "A story mode is automatically better than bios because characters talk to each other."
That's retarded. Talking doesn't automatically make the characters better if the things that HAPPEN in story mode make them MORE SHALLOW THAN THEY WERE THE FIRST TIME.
Examples:
Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
Reptile USED to have a very clearly defined role. He was Shang Tsung's bodyguard during the tournament. In the new canon...he has no specific rank or mission at all, not in his new bio and not in storymode, he's just a random Outworld fighter in the tournaments. Reptile almost NEVER shows up during the game, almost NEVER talks, and does nothing worth talking about. MK9 Reptile is beyond a doubt a less well written character than MK1 thru 3 Reptile even though MK9 has a story mode and MK1 thru 3 only had bios.
In MK3, Sheeva was the primary example of how the Shokan hated the Centaurs, and her jealousy of Motaro led her to kill him, and in turn be killed by Shao Kahn with Kano's help, which led to Kano being promoted to general to replace Motaro, as a reward for his loyalty. In THIS game...Sheeva guards prisoners. She shows up maybe twice, doesn't say anything interesting, and is defeated easily like cannon fodder. And Motaro doesn't show up at all, killed off-screen by a throwaway mention. Those two characters certainly aren't more developed in MK9 than they were in MK3, huh, are they? You can't even argue that.
And while we're on Kano, his rivalry with Sonya is almost entirely gone now that he didn't kill a partner of her's, he was just this timeline's version of Hsu Hao. He fights her during MK1, but nothing comes of it, it's a brief scuffle and he runs away. He gets a nice scene with Kabal during the MK3 stuff, but that's ALL he gets. He and Sonya never have a climactic final battle like they did in the original MK3, where Sonya tossed Kano off a roof and thinks he's dead while Kano saved a lock he ripped out of her hair as a symbolic way of holding a grudge against her. So Sonya and Kano both suffer as characters in MK9 compared to their old selves. And by the way, most of the stuff Kano does in MK9 revolves around SELLING weapons to Kahn's army instead of joining Kahn's army and showing them how to use them? SELLING? Outworld uses Earth money now? Or are they paying him in fucking gold dubloons? THIS IS STUPID.
Sindel was a major part of the plot in the original MK3, particularly the exploration of her relationship with Kitana, as Kitana is meant to free her mind and the two of them restore Edenia. In this game, Kitana and Sindel have, like two or three lines between them and that's IT. Sindel doesn't even show up for most of the MK3 stuff.
And I mentioned Mileena, yes? MK2 told us Kitana and her had long worked together, Kitana thinking Mileena was really her deformed twin sister. Mileena was considered a FAILED clone because of her mouth, so instead of replacing Kitana, she fought beside and spied on her to make sure she wouldn't betray Kahn. Well in MK9, Mileena is literally a newborn, and Kahn LIKES the fucking fangs and is HAPPY to have her replace Kitana as his daughter. This is not deeper, this is not an improvement. This is incredibly shallowing to Kitana and Mileena's characters.
And then there's Jade, who is never really forced to choose between loyalty to Kahn or loyalty to her best friend like she was in the original UMK3. In MK9, the MOMENT Kitana is locked up, Jade immediately tries to break her out. Drama? Internal conflict? What's that?
And oh god, Scorpion. WHY is he even AT the second tournament in this game, if he already fucking knows Kuai Liang is not "his" Sub-Zero? What fucking reason does he have to be an entrant in that tournament? The same goes for Quan Chi being a tournament fighter in both MK1 and 2. Quan Chi and Scorpion are fighting for Kahn's side? They're not from Outworld!
What happened to that rule that you have to fight for your own realm? You know, the one that's the WHOLE reason Bo' Rai Cho's never been in a Mortal Kombat tournament? The one that has to still exist in this timeline because Bo' Rai Cho is still Liu's teacher in this timeline! I thought the whole reason to even do a remake was to get rid of plotholes and make it better than it was the last time? Not CREATE plotholes!
And then there's all the things that don't actually have to do with how characters are different from how they used to be. I've said it several times now, the last act, maybe the whole second HALF of the script is RUSHED. MK3 is the most complicated of the three games, in terms of plot points and events that they could have/should have covered, but the Invasion is the SHORTEST third of the script in MK9! HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?!
Reptile USED to have a very clearly defined role. He was Shang Tsung's bodyguard during the tournament. In the new canon...he has no specific rank or mission at all, not in his new bio and not in storymode, he's just a random Outworld fighter in the tournaments. Reptile almost NEVER shows up during the game, almost NEVER talks, and does nothing worth talking about. MK9 Reptile is beyond a doubt a less well written character than MK1 thru 3 Reptile even though MK9 has a story mode and MK1 thru 3 only had bios.
In MK3, Sheeva was the primary example of how the Shokan hated the Centaurs, and her jealousy of Motaro led her to kill him, and in turn be killed by Shao Kahn with Kano's help, which led to Kano being promoted to general to replace Motaro, as a reward for his loyalty. In THIS game...Sheeva guards prisoners. She shows up maybe twice, doesn't say anything interesting, and is defeated easily like cannon fodder. And Motaro doesn't show up at all, killed off-screen by a throwaway mention. Those two characters certainly aren't more developed in MK9 than they were in MK3, huh, are they? You can't even argue that.
And while we're on Kano, his rivalry with Sonya is almost entirely gone now that he didn't kill a partner of her's, he was just this timeline's version of Hsu Hao. He fights her during MK1, but nothing comes of it, it's a brief scuffle and he runs away. He gets a nice scene with Kabal during the MK3 stuff, but that's ALL he gets. He and Sonya never have a climactic final battle like they did in the original MK3, where Sonya tossed Kano off a roof and thinks he's dead while Kano saved a lock he ripped out of her hair as a symbolic way of holding a grudge against her. So Sonya and Kano both suffer as characters in MK9 compared to their old selves. And by the way, most of the stuff Kano does in MK9 revolves around SELLING weapons to Kahn's army instead of joining Kahn's army and showing them how to use them? SELLING? Outworld uses Earth money now? Or are they paying him in fucking gold dubloons? THIS IS STUPID.
Sindel was a major part of the plot in the original MK3, particularly the exploration of her relationship with Kitana, as Kitana is meant to free her mind and the two of them restore Edenia. In this game, Kitana and Sindel have, like two or three lines between them and that's IT. Sindel doesn't even show up for most of the MK3 stuff.
And I mentioned Mileena, yes? MK2 told us Kitana and her had long worked together, Kitana thinking Mileena was really her deformed twin sister. Mileena was considered a FAILED clone because of her mouth, so instead of replacing Kitana, she fought beside and spied on her to make sure she wouldn't betray Kahn. Well in MK9, Mileena is literally a newborn, and Kahn LIKES the fucking fangs and is HAPPY to have her replace Kitana as his daughter. This is not deeper, this is not an improvement. This is incredibly shallowing to Kitana and Mileena's characters.
And then there's Jade, who is never really forced to choose between loyalty to Kahn or loyalty to her best friend like she was in the original UMK3. In MK9, the MOMENT Kitana is locked up, Jade immediately tries to break her out. Drama? Internal conflict? What's that?
And oh god, Scorpion. WHY is he even AT the second tournament in this game, if he already fucking knows Kuai Liang is not "his" Sub-Zero? What fucking reason does he have to be an entrant in that tournament? The same goes for Quan Chi being a tournament fighter in both MK1 and 2. Quan Chi and Scorpion are fighting for Kahn's side? They're not from Outworld!
What happened to that rule that you have to fight for your own realm? You know, the one that's the WHOLE reason Bo' Rai Cho's never been in a Mortal Kombat tournament? The one that has to still exist in this timeline because Bo' Rai Cho is still Liu's teacher in this timeline! I thought the whole reason to even do a remake was to get rid of plotholes and make it better than it was the last time? Not CREATE plotholes!
And then there's all the things that don't actually have to do with how characters are different from how they used to be. I've said it several times now, the last act, maybe the whole second HALF of the script is RUSHED. MK3 is the most complicated of the three games, in terms of plot points and events that they could have/should have covered, but the Invasion is the SHORTEST third of the script in MK9! HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?!
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yautjared Wrote:
KiShiDo has a very good point here. Agreed.
Back in time, Mk1,2,3 were mere lots of informations crossed, non-canon and canon stuff all mixed and cooked up together ...
Now, we have a "reboot remake" modern version of that time, but, with facts being changed and adapted to the new reality.
Thumbs up for NRS & Ed for having balls to go against the "well-known" things stipulated in old MK games made almost 20 years ago, and now, bringing back all beloved characters, but , giving a story where everyone will appear and have a spot, some more than others, but, whatever .....
It's MK, the game and characters we love, so, it's OK to change the old retroactive concepts regarding this franchise .... the same thing over and over again is boring as hell .... so, I loved the spoiled leaks regarding Liu Kang, Shang Tsung, Kitana and Sub-Zero endings : it's something diferent and bring diferent visions.
KiShiDo has a very good point here. Agreed.
Back in time, Mk1,2,3 were mere lots of informations crossed, non-canon and canon stuff all mixed and cooked up together ...
Now, we have a "reboot remake" modern version of that time, but, with facts being changed and adapted to the new reality.
Thumbs up for NRS & Ed for having balls to go against the "well-known" things stipulated in old MK games made almost 20 years ago, and now, bringing back all beloved characters, but , giving a story where everyone will appear and have a spot, some more than others, but, whatever .....
It's MK, the game and characters we love, so, it's OK to change the old retroactive concepts regarding this franchise .... the same thing over and over again is boring as hell .... so, I loved the spoiled leaks regarding Liu Kang, Shang Tsung, Kitana and Sub-Zero endings : it's something diferent and bring diferent visions.
Each sucessive MK explained what happened in the previous game and itself. As I said, above, endings back then and even in this game are for the players satifation.
Razor... You can say all this things all the time... it doesn't change the opinion that the story is for tfighting game standards superb and well told.
Just because you dislike that some characters aren't handled that well or not like back then... 2 things
1. It is a new game so why shouldn't they include Quan Chi, Nightwolf or change Reptile this time? Tell me why? All of us knew things will be changed and you don't see one thing... back then in MK 1 they haven't created the characters yet and they appeared in the future cuz they were created then.
This time NRS could use them all from the very start cuz all of knew they are there.
2. What have you expected? Maybe you should prefer just to play aracde without story. than it would be anyhting different than now.
It is a fighting game at all. If you can't live with that I ask myself why you played all the fucked up games back then, which had a shitty story or no story after all.
It was all about fighting with some endings. We still have this stuff just with a story mode as additon.
f you call that weak and boring, than read and write your books or play different games.
I'm just amused that you tell me that the story was better back then and you enjoyed it even if there was no story in the game.
Just because you dislike that some characters aren't handled that well or not like back then... 2 things
1. It is a new game so why shouldn't they include Quan Chi, Nightwolf or change Reptile this time? Tell me why? All of us knew things will be changed and you don't see one thing... back then in MK 1 they haven't created the characters yet and they appeared in the future cuz they were created then.
This time NRS could use them all from the very start cuz all of knew they are there.
2. What have you expected? Maybe you should prefer just to play aracde without story. than it would be anyhting different than now.
It is a fighting game at all. If you can't live with that I ask myself why you played all the fucked up games back then, which had a shitty story or no story after all.
It was all about fighting with some endings. We still have this stuff just with a story mode as additon.
f you call that weak and boring, than read and write your books or play different games.
I'm just amused that you tell me that the story was better back then and you enjoyed it even if there was no story in the game.
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RazorsEdge701 brought some good questions too ..... anyway, what we can do at this point ? Boycott the game ? Send lots of messages in Twitter saying to Ed Boon to change the story ? Ignore totally MK 2011 story plot ?
I have no problem with this new MK 2011 story, but I understand why some members can urge to have somethings what were revealed, making not in the final version.
I have no problem with this new MK 2011 story, but I understand why some members can urge to have somethings what were revealed, making not in the final version.
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unseenwombat Wrote:
I would have to say Liu Kang is more of an interesting character now than he was before. He used to just be "kung fu movie knock off guy," but now he's something more original, don't you think?
I would have to say Liu Kang is more of an interesting character now than he was before. He used to just be "kung fu movie knock off guy," but now he's something more original, don't you think?
I tend to think of Liu Kang as having been interesting in the old timeline for a couple reasons:
1) He started as a pacifist who wouldn't kill, then the Tarkatans slaughtered his entire temple and he had to "grow up" and decide whether or not he's willing to kill for revenge. I tend to enjoy plots about heroes wrestling with whether or not killing is right, as often found in comics like Batman.
2) His romance with Kitana.
In THIS game?
Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
The Tarkatan raid...I'm not even sure it happens, judging from the way the dialogue goes. It seems there's just a minor scuffle between Shang's men and Raiden's when Shang challenges the heroes to MK2, and no serious casualties or tragedies occur beyond Sonya being kidnapped. (Which is another sticking point for me, BTW. In MK9, Shang never fucking makes his island collapse when he loses the tournament! That was important shit! The way Sonya and Kano ended up lost and captured in Outworld because of it was a WAY more well written way to have Sonya captured than this pathetically rushed "Shang grabs her and runs off" business.)
So anyway, Kang never once has to deal with pacifism vs killing, and the game is no longer even about him and his growth or experiences, it's all about fucking Raiden's visions.
As for the second thing...his romance with Kitana never gets a chance to develop because they get almost no screentime together. Which REALLY pisses me off, because the two very short times they DO get to talk to one another were written REALLY well and to see the potential that they COULD have gone with and didn't is just frustrating.
The Tarkatan raid...I'm not even sure it happens, judging from the way the dialogue goes. It seems there's just a minor scuffle between Shang's men and Raiden's when Shang challenges the heroes to MK2, and no serious casualties or tragedies occur beyond Sonya being kidnapped. (Which is another sticking point for me, BTW. In MK9, Shang never fucking makes his island collapse when he loses the tournament! That was important shit! The way Sonya and Kano ended up lost and captured in Outworld because of it was a WAY more well written way to have Sonya captured than this pathetically rushed "Shang grabs her and runs off" business.)
So anyway, Kang never once has to deal with pacifism vs killing, and the game is no longer even about him and his growth or experiences, it's all about fucking Raiden's visions.
As for the second thing...his romance with Kitana never gets a chance to develop because they get almost no screentime together. Which REALLY pisses me off, because the two very short times they DO get to talk to one another were written REALLY well and to see the potential that they COULD have gone with and didn't is just frustrating.
I'm sure most people will like him more now just 'cause the reason they weren't into him before is they didn't really know anything about him except "good guy who always wins".
But for me? No, I wouldn't say Liu made out better this time than in the original. He MAYBE broke even, just via the dialogue between him and Raiden in the last act. But they didn't make him better, at least not for me. But if they had done a straight adaptation of 1 thru 3, I think this Liu and the Liu in that story would've seemed exactly the same and therefore exactly as good...except even better 'cause he'd have gotten more scenes with Kitana.
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KiShiDo Wrote:
It is a new game so why shouldn't they include Quan Chi, Nightwolf or change Reptile this time? Tell me why?
It is a new game so why shouldn't they include Quan Chi, Nightwolf or change Reptile this time? Tell me why?
They can include those guys into the story all they want. as long as IT MAKES SENSE. The story mode gives NO explaination for them being there.
Crimson_Pool21 Wrote:
They can include those guys into the story all they want. as long as IT MAKES SENSE. The story mode gives NO explaination for them being there.
KiShiDo Wrote:
It is a new game so why shouldn't they include Quan Chi, Nightwolf or change Reptile this time? Tell me why?
It is a new game so why shouldn't they include Quan Chi, Nightwolf or change Reptile this time? Tell me why?
They can include those guys into the story all they want. as long as IT MAKES SENSE. The story mode gives NO explaination for them being there.
Because they appeared there. So what?
Next time... NRS
Scorpion: Why are you here Quan Chi... back then in MK 1 you wasn't there so please explain yourself because I know that you first appeared in MK4 even if this story is comepletely different than back then.
Quan CHi: Non of your business
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Look, it's not THAT they changed stuff that's the problem.
It's that the changes are worse. They made the characters less detailed, less interesting. It's all more SHALLOW than it used to be.
The only exceptions are, like I said, Johnny, Sektor, Cyrax, Smoke, and Stryker. Those five got MORE detailed backstories and bios. Everyone ELSE's bios and story mode appearances, however, are LESS deep than they originally were.
See, I'm not complaining about knowing Sektor and Cyrax's backstories. I'm happy they made Stryker a better character. I LIKE the changes that are GOOD.
The PROBLEM is that only FIVE characters out of 30 have good changes. The rest of the changes are NOT as good as the originals.
It's that the changes are worse. They made the characters less detailed, less interesting. It's all more SHALLOW than it used to be.
The only exceptions are, like I said, Johnny, Sektor, Cyrax, Smoke, and Stryker. Those five got MORE detailed backstories and bios. Everyone ELSE's bios and story mode appearances, however, are LESS deep than they originally were.
See, I'm not complaining about knowing Sektor and Cyrax's backstories. I'm happy they made Stryker a better character. I LIKE the changes that are GOOD.
The PROBLEM is that only FIVE characters out of 30 have good changes. The rest of the changes are NOT as good as the originals.
Once again Razor...
The characters back then were even less interesing! We had nothing in game besides the ending. Nothing
All of the story was told besides the game. And if you't live with the FACT that they haven't included 30 chapters with 40 hours of walkthrough in a fighting game to flesh out each character than this isn't my problem.
But please don't tell me back then there wre more fleshed out, if we got nothing from the games but from the sidelines.
The characters back then were even less interesing! We had nothing in game besides the ending. Nothing
All of the story was told besides the game. And if you't live with the FACT that they haven't included 30 chapters with 40 hours of walkthrough in a fighting game to flesh out each character than this isn't my problem.
But please don't tell me back then there wre more fleshed out, if we got nothing from the games but from the sidelines.
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KiShiDo Wrote:
The characters back then were even less interesing! We had nothing in game besides the ending. Nothing
The characters back then were even less interesing! We had nothing in game besides the ending. Nothing
Your whole problem is you don't know what you're talking about. This story seems better TO YOU because you don't KNOW the original story very well.
And even when I'm explaining to you how and why things were better the first time, you're not fucking listening because you don't even CARE.
So tell me why anyone should listen to the side of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, like you?
Ok, here's the thing.
RazorsEdge701 thinks that he's the only one on this site who knows anything about writing because he apparently reads books on occasion and studied literature.
And he will not accept the opinions of anyone he deems unworthy because he views them as inferior to his own, no matter how groundless his own are.
And he has essentially said over and over that he views the opinions of EVERYONE HERE as unworthy.
So...yeah, no real point arguing with him. It's like trying to change someone's religion. He has no interest in the thoughts of anyone who isn't explicitly telling him how right he is.
And he's not gonna change, because he has set up in his mind an internal system of morality where he is the one true voice of reason and all the plebeian fools constantly persecute him with their differing and therefore wrong assertions.
He is the victim in his own head, even though he systematically goes out of his way to make everyone else feel like idiots.
I used to think I was an arrogant jerk.
Then I met RazorsEdge701.
I still think I'm an arrogant jerk.
But it could be a lot worse.
Edit: I'm sure I can either expect a long and completely pretentious reply to this, outlining why I am such an idiot and how, at my age, I should know better even though I clearly don't (because, if I did, I would bow down and worship at the altar of RazorsEdge701's infallible judgment calls). Either that or being completely ignored like everyone else who has ever made a good point against him.
Or the third option, where his completely pretentious reply is short and irrelevant.
RazorsEdge701 thinks that he's the only one on this site who knows anything about writing because he apparently reads books on occasion and studied literature.
And he will not accept the opinions of anyone he deems unworthy because he views them as inferior to his own, no matter how groundless his own are.
And he has essentially said over and over that he views the opinions of EVERYONE HERE as unworthy.
So...yeah, no real point arguing with him. It's like trying to change someone's religion. He has no interest in the thoughts of anyone who isn't explicitly telling him how right he is.
And he's not gonna change, because he has set up in his mind an internal system of morality where he is the one true voice of reason and all the plebeian fools constantly persecute him with their differing and therefore wrong assertions.
He is the victim in his own head, even though he systematically goes out of his way to make everyone else feel like idiots.
I used to think I was an arrogant jerk.
Then I met RazorsEdge701.
I still think I'm an arrogant jerk.
But it could be a lot worse.
Edit: I'm sure I can either expect a long and completely pretentious reply to this, outlining why I am such an idiot and how, at my age, I should know better even though I clearly don't (because, if I did, I would bow down and worship at the altar of RazorsEdge701's infallible judgment calls). Either that or being completely ignored like everyone else who has ever made a good point against him.
Or the third option, where his completely pretentious reply is short and irrelevant.
Yeah everyoner is dumb compared to you.
We had a bio and a ending, where most weren't fleshed OUT in the GAME... You know the disc I was playing with my system. There was nothing more.
If you call that more flshed out than actual interaction told in a story mode than dunno.
We still have bios, we still have endings and we still have a "decent" story mode for some interaction.
And don't say I know nothing about the story. FACT is that from the endings back then we knew NOTHING abou what's going on during the game. Or did I missed some rival matches or story hidden modes.
And further more. The story was told during years and we were't able to see what happened till the next game.
This is ONE game and not 3.
But hey... I'm dumb because you are a first class writer. I'm just a gamer who is glad there is a story.
We had a bio and a ending, where most weren't fleshed OUT in the GAME... You know the disc I was playing with my system. There was nothing more.
If you call that more flshed out than actual interaction told in a story mode than dunno.
We still have bios, we still have endings and we still have a "decent" story mode for some interaction.
And don't say I know nothing about the story. FACT is that from the endings back then we knew NOTHING abou what's going on during the game. Or did I missed some rival matches or story hidden modes.
And further more. The story was told during years and we were't able to see what happened till the next game.
This is ONE game and not 3.
But hey... I'm dumb because you are a first class writer. I'm just a gamer who is glad there is a story.
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When someone explains step by fucking step how the new take on the characters is less detailed than the old take, and after reading it, you STILL go "Nuh uh, they're better now 'cause they actually talk!", what more can be said except insults about your intelligence?
I'm not calling you dumb because I have this imaginary worldview where I'm the smartest. I'm calling you dumb because you are ACTUALLY acting dumb.
I'm not calling you dumb because I have this imaginary worldview where I'm the smartest. I'm calling you dumb because you are ACTUALLY acting dumb.
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Bezou Wrote:
Ok, here's the thing.
RazorsEdge701 thinks that he's the only one on this site who knows anything about writing because he apparently reads books on occasion and studied literature.
And he will not accept the opinions of anyone he deems unworthy because he views them as inferior to his own, no matter how groundless they are.
And he has essentially said over and over that he views the opinions of EVERYONE HERE as unworthy.
So...yeah, no real point arguing with him. It's like trying to change someone's religion. He has no interest in the thoughts of anyone who isn't explicitly telling him how right he is.
And he's not gonna change, because he has set up in his mind an internal system of morality where he is the one true voice of reason and all the plebeian fools constantly persecute him with their differing and therefore wrong assertions.
He is the victim in his own head, even though he systematically goes out of his way to make everyone else feel like idiots.
I used to think I was an arrogant jerk.
Then I met RazorsEdge701.
I still think I'm an arrogant jerk.
But it could be a lot worse.
Edit: I'm sure I can either expect a long and completely pretentious reply to this, outlining why I am such an idiot and how, at my age, I should know better even though I clearly don't (because, if I did, I would bow down and worship at the altar of RazorsEdge701's infallible judgment calls). Either that or being completely ignored like everyone else who has ever made a good point against him.
Or the third option, where his completely pretentious reply is short and irrelevant.
Ok, here's the thing.
RazorsEdge701 thinks that he's the only one on this site who knows anything about writing because he apparently reads books on occasion and studied literature.
And he will not accept the opinions of anyone he deems unworthy because he views them as inferior to his own, no matter how groundless they are.
And he has essentially said over and over that he views the opinions of EVERYONE HERE as unworthy.
So...yeah, no real point arguing with him. It's like trying to change someone's religion. He has no interest in the thoughts of anyone who isn't explicitly telling him how right he is.
And he's not gonna change, because he has set up in his mind an internal system of morality where he is the one true voice of reason and all the plebeian fools constantly persecute him with their differing and therefore wrong assertions.
He is the victim in his own head, even though he systematically goes out of his way to make everyone else feel like idiots.
I used to think I was an arrogant jerk.
Then I met RazorsEdge701.
I still think I'm an arrogant jerk.
But it could be a lot worse.
Edit: I'm sure I can either expect a long and completely pretentious reply to this, outlining why I am such an idiot and how, at my age, I should know better even though I clearly don't (because, if I did, I would bow down and worship at the altar of RazorsEdge701's infallible judgment calls). Either that or being completely ignored like everyone else who has ever made a good point against him.
Or the third option, where his completely pretentious reply is short and irrelevant.
This post could not be any more correct unless you threw in some bashing words. As someone who went a good 6 pages on a topic arguing with him... It isn't worth it. He knows he is wrong about something but will just troll and keep the argument going with invalid points just for the sake of it. I would say that once a month he has a post worth reading..
Yeah smartass we are done.
You expect a game with a deep story which has taken years to be told back then and I expect a great fighting game with decent story.
And still you haven't answered me one thing correct ..: Were was the interaction for you in the GAMES back then. Have we see any interaction in the game or did we get the infos later on? Where was it?
Or did you start to play MK1 for the big ass awesome story were he had no clue what is happeneing
You dislike it, I like it. You are calling me acting dumb. I call you butthurt. No go and cry rivers about not having a literature master piece of story.telling like back then
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You expect a game with a deep story which has taken years to be told back then and I expect a great fighting game with decent story.
And still you haven't answered me one thing correct ..: Were was the interaction for you in the GAMES back then. Have we see any interaction in the game or did we get the infos later on? Where was it?
Or did you start to play MK1 for the big ass awesome story were he had no clue what is happeneing
You dislike it, I like it. You are calling me acting dumb. I call you butthurt. No go and cry rivers about not having a literature master piece of story.telling like back then
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Well...I'm the one here who provided evidence for his side.
I'm getting exactly the responses I expected, people ignoring that evidence, but I wasted my time posting it anyway.
Not much to say beyond that.
And to J-R, I think this illustrates nicely for you WHY XiahouDun left and acts like a jerk on the rare occasions he pops back up, and WHY I'm headed down the same road. Because it IS such a waste of time to argue story with people on MKO. They're never going to understand what they missed out on, no matter how many times you explain it, because they don't want to like old things that required digging and reading Krypts and shit to understand the depth of, they just want the shiny new shit with the voice actors and the spelled-out-for-the-slow-kids versions of plot.
I'm getting exactly the responses I expected, people ignoring that evidence, but I wasted my time posting it anyway.
Not much to say beyond that.
And to J-R, I think this illustrates nicely for you WHY XiahouDun left and acts like a jerk on the rare occasions he pops back up, and WHY I'm headed down the same road. Because it IS such a waste of time to argue story with people on MKO. They're never going to understand what they missed out on, no matter how many times you explain it, because they don't want to like old things that required digging and reading Krypts and shit to understand the depth of, they just want the shiny new shit with the voice actors and the spelled-out-for-the-slow-kids versions of plot.
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Well honestly Im just not feeling this whole hate towards change that NEEDED to be made. Who wants the SAME exact story? Plus you we're all aware of a potential change. On the other hand for those who adore the original story for more or less reasons,I understand your agony. I myself love this because they changed Smoke according to my personal wishes.
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I'm just glad Stryker got some improvement to his story.
I hope he comes back in the next game, that'd be interesting to see.
I hope he comes back in the next game, that'd be interesting to see.
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