i think they need to bring that rivalry in a bit more in the next game. unless they just go with the storyline they cant cuz scorpion vowed to protect the new subzero. i want to see them battle it out more in the future

I thought they ended that rivalry at least twice.

The only reason the two of them fight now is to promote the game. And for the fanwank. Always for the fanwank.

Isn't one of the troubles of these two fighting is the fact that Sub Zero is "good" and Scorpion is so damn "neutral".

Both have pretty much moved on in terms of feuds. Sub Zero has Frost, Noob Saibot and Smoke (possibly the Tekunin and the Red Dragon as well) and Scorpion has Quan Chi, Onaga and THE ELDER GODS!

But I'm gonna guess that they will kill off Scorpion permanently before Sub Zero. Mostly because we are on our 2nd Sub Zero now! Both are pretty safe though.

We'll pretty much be seeing Sub-Zero and Scorpion continue on. There is no need for them to have a rivalry again. The only way I would want them to do anything with each other is if they have a common enemy in Noob Saibot. That's pretty much it. Aside from that, they should still be separate from each other. Scorpion's story (and character) needs a lot of fixing while Sub-Zero's story needs to unfold in terms of what is truly ahead for him.

It's 2009, and this rivalry still lives. Boon probably wouldn't let Scorp go, since he is his favorite which leaves out Sub-Zero in the cold.

in the next game if it continues the story as we know it what would happen if the two of them met face to face out of nowhere. do you think they would just continue there seperate ways or fight. what is scorpion w/ out sub zero and vice-versa. they are both my favorite but i just like the rivalry.

Sub would be canned way before Scorpion. However, both need to die and never come back.

if that happened i prolly would not like any future games at all

You make like the rivalry, but the fact of the matter is, it's completely unnecessary to have it start again. Their stories are not dependent on each other. Especially when you get to MK3, Sub-Zero has quite a bit going on for him while Scorpion has next to nothing going for his story. They didn't even really have anything to do with each other in that game. (NOTE: I'm not getting into the whole retcon stuff/speculation on what happened with Scorpion in MK3. I'm encompassing UMK3 and MKT into MK3 when talking about its story, of course...)

Like I said, if their stories are going to involve interaction with each other, I would have it so that it would involve them trying to take down Noob Saibot.

yeah i totally agree w/ what your saying. i didnt really take the time to think. its a part of mk for me that will always be my favorite. i like everything about mk but i wouldnt be able to get rid of eather of them.

does the new subzero know that scorpion killed his brother?

Luckily for you, with Ed Boon still working on MK games, Sub-Zero and Scorpon are still going to be around. For me, they really need to fix Scorpion in terms of his story and character. I want to see the real bad-ass ninja Scorpion who actually uses his head.

Yes, the younger Sub-Zero is aware that Scorpion killed his older brother.

yeah scorpion does need some tightining up. he will always be that badass ninja that doesnt take sides unless he gets involved somehow. but anyway i have confidence that they will bring out the inner hell raising scorpion in the next game.

considering the fact that scorpion is already dead it will probably be Subby

Sub-Zero vs Scorpion = dead horse.

put the stick down...

i think sub zero can win

what do you mean by that?

It's Mortal Kombat! If you meet ANYONE you have to fight lol

I'm sick of the Sub-Zero, Scorpion rival thing, it's old hat.
Sadly I think that they would kill off Sub-Zero before they would dream of killing off Scorpion.

There would be no way these two characters would be killed off of any MK game.

100% true. im just saying the rivalry has always been my favorite part of mk. but i guess with the new direction and progression of mk i can live w/ out it. but you never know with the storyline for new additions to mk, its kind of spontanious. to me i cant see how someone would be sick of the rivalry or either sub zero or scorpion. to me they are mk. dont take this the wrong way cuz i dont just buy or play for them i love just about everything about it especialy back in the day

Bringing back the Sub-Zero/Scorpion rivalry does nothing to help either of them, especially Scorpion. If the two just met up, why would they just fight each other? According to Scorpion's MKDA Konquest story, he vowed not to harm Sub-Zero. Sure, there's Armageddon's intro, but from what I understand, that was the vision that Delia had, which is not meant to be set in stone as she saw it.

To have the rivalry return is saying that you don't want anything new and fresh in their stories and instead want to go backwards instead of forward. Scorpion is already messed up as it is by being an incompetent jerk who goes around causing trouble. He doesn't need this. Sub-Zero's story is fine without Scorpion involved in it.

I dont think they really stuck w/ the mk 2 storyline that scorpion vowed not to harm sub zero because of mk 4's endings w/ scorpion still hunting sub zero only to find out it was quan chi who was behind his clans murder. now he has been hunting quan chi. so i guess the rivalry is over.

Im just saying that the rivalry was cool. it would be sweet in the next game if they were matched up somewhere along the line in the tournament.

I dont think scorpions story is all that bad, only if you believe it is. personaly i like his story better than sub zeros because it is more solid. sub zero needs a new chapter so maby getting scorpion involved somehow could be totaly badass but thats my opinion.

there is nothing wrong with classic and bein fresh is good too.

I still don't see why Reptile isn't held in as high regard as Scorpion and Sub-Zero, After all ALL 3 OF THEM were the original ninjas.

There's an implied divide between gameplay and storyline. So, if we can identify this separation, and look at these characters as separate individuals as well, in their story, consider that these two characters have conflict in their history more than what?, twice? Then take that, and drag it out over almost 20yrs, at least three official MK contest, and two side games over the course of that time....you can imagine doing the same thing over and over for too long I'm sure.

On the gameplay side of things, of course, you'll always be able to pit blue vs yellow. But there's no need to continually inject a rivalry into the canon story element of these two characters.

Right now, this rivalry has been done two or three times already, as well as resolved at least once. Which is why I said it's a dead horse. Why keep beating that story to death, when it's already been dead? See? They have, can, and should move on. They're not attached at the hip.

Sub-Zero and Scorpion are both awesome characters stand alone.They both have the potential to motivate their own side games, with their rivalry being a highlight within those potential games. So essentially what you're asking for, is to continually see the highlight happen over and over without considering that there'd be alot more of a game to play through aside from that highlight.

What would you have them do for a whole game? Only fight each other?

That's why I brought up Scorpion's MKDA Konquest story. It's either that or Sub-Zero's MKDA Konquest story that mentions Scorpion vowing not to harm Sub-Zero. But yes, their rivalry is over. Scorpion now knows that Quan Chi is really the one that murdered his family and clan, hence Scorpion's mission of revenge.



Well, that depends on whether or not there is an actual Mortal Kombat tournament as the main story of the next game. I don't think it's necessary to have the two pitted against each other. Their stories aren't dependent on one another, at least not anymore (in terms of Scorpion's story only).



Wait a minute. How is Scorpion's story more solid than Sub-Zero's? If you actually look at their stories, Sub-Zero has far more going on than Scorpion's story does. With the older Sub-Zero, you have the journey of a warrior assassin, who at one time becomes an unlikely hero of sorts, to his eventual downfall as a wraith who serves the very enemies he fought against, only to later gain a sense of independence and step up to become his own leader.

Then you have the younger Sub-Zero, a warrior assassin like his older brother, whom he looks up to. This Sub-Zero goes from a warrior assassin to one of Earth's greatest heroes. He eventually becomes his own leader, shaping the very clan he left years ago in his own image and later learns about his ancestry in Outworld.

Scorpion's story starts off with that of a man with a wife and son who becomes a ninja to provide for them. His death at the hands of the older Sub-Zero begins his new existence, one of almost constant revenge. It's just that the target of revenge has changed over time. He doesn't have much else going for him. He's been a wild card throughout the MK series but hasn't done much.

Think about it. In MK1, he's after the older Sub-Zero. In MK2-MK4, he's after the younger Sub-Zero. In MKDA, he's after Quan Chi. In MKD, he puts aside his revenge (for once) and hunts down Onaga. In MKA, he fights Taven as a means of trying to get revenge on the Elder Gods.

So I don't see how Scorpion's story is more solid than Sub-Zero's. I think Sub-Zero's story is way better than Scorpion's, because it actually has more depth to it, and it does not suffer from being stagnant. Also, there's the issue of Scorpion's character.

Do you really want Scorpion, with the way he is now, to break his vow and to go after Sub-Zero yet AGAIN? How is that going to help Scorpion's story and character? How is Scorpion's involvement in Sub-Zero's storyline going to help Sub-Zero's storyline?