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02/24/2011 10:23 AM (UTC)
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-I am very pleased with the one seen in the initial trailer of the game. I hope his outfit is much like that. It had a very thin look to it, which I really liked in comparison to the bulky models of before. So I am hoping for that look, reminiscent of MK2. I hope his hat is as it is in the trailer as well. I was not a fan of the more elaborate hat he had in MK:DA-MK:A. Keep it simple. His face also looked fantastic in the trailer. Keep it that way. Lightning surging across his body and eyes is a must.

Alternate costume(s):
-I would like his alternate to be like his MK1/MK Movie white robed attire. No blue in it, just a bunch of white cloth. It's a bit hard to come up with different outfits for Raiden, so I am not sure what else to add. I could see him having a dark Raiden attire, which WOULD look cool, but I don't know how appropriate it would be for this era.

Gameplay Style:
-I want him to be quick, but not as powerful. He should be as quick as they come, with lightning speed attacks, but have them deal low in damage. He should be a distance player as well, relying on his specials ad whatnot to aid him in battle, but he can do hand to hand quite well if he's forced to. Given that his specials are for the most part ranged attacks, or from a sweep distance, it's only logical to make him a mid-ranged based character.

Special Moves:
-Electricity toss
-Superman
-Teleport
-Electric Grab

Obviously these would all have enhanced versions, but I think for basics they should all be his classic moves, as he was always a fun player to use.

X-Ray Move:
-He should definitely have his electricity used in a unique way, and maybe have his X-Ray more focused on the opponent's muscles. I'm thinking having the electricity surge through their muscles and having them spasm and even tear etc. It'd be a neat effect, and definitely give his X-Ray a unique feel. Of course they could include a Superman to start it off, to crack a few ribs, but then lead into the electricity in their muscles from there.

Fatalities:
-I really liked his Fatality from MK:DA, how the opponent was basically cooked to a crisp. I think Razor was on to something when he mentioned the ashes from the SNES version. Raiden should definitely play up the ashes effect rather than the explosion, at least for one of his fatalities.

-Fatality 1
Raiden grabs on to his opponent and starts electofying them. Raiden has his screaming face look while doing it. The opponent screams in terror as they are being fried to death, and their clothes begin to catch fire around Raiden's hands(think Green Mile). You see smoke coming from their body as they become darker and darker. Their eyes explode as their body is turning black. By this time the opponent has stopped screaming because they are dead. Raiden keeps it going as they just fall into ashes on the ground, leaving bits of bone, including a portion of the skull, and pieces of cloth on the ground. Raiden is partially covered in the ashes as he poses, with lightning surging across his body and into his finger. Fatality. Sounds elaborate, but actual in game time it'd last for about the duration of Kung's Buzzsaw.

-Fatality 2
Raiden starts across the screen. He runs at the opponent and does his superman which looks as if he was just a surge of electricity. He reforms out of electricty and poses. As he does this, the opponent turns towards the camera, which only his side was seen previously. And you see a giant gaping hole where their abdomen should be. They immediately fall down dead. Fatality.

-Fatality 2(Alternate, as I couldn't decide between the two)
Raiden takes his staff and trips the opponent with it. He walks over the opponent standing above them. He slams the staff into their chest. He then sends a whole surge of lightning at the staff which goes into their chest and blows it right open sending blood everywhere. He teleports and grabs the staff as it is about to fall. Poses with it. Fatality.

Story Input (I know we've gone over this alot since the games announcement):
-I'd just like to see Raiden struggle to figure out what he needs to do. Have him make some bad decisions that lead to altered events that go wrong. Make it a huge inner conflict within him, and have him question himself, and have the plot be him trying to find out what is right for Earthrealm and whatnot.

Vignette Expectations:
-Just explain his character, who he is, and his backstory as we've seen with the others. Explain his goals and his situation.

Arena if he gets one:
-Definitely one where it's storming. Anything with lightning and rain, with loud thunder as you fight would be awesome. Lightning in the clouds ala MK2 would be fantastic. Something to that degree.

Maybe you have an opinion on his Music track on the album:
-Somehow incorperate the sound of electricity and lightning etc. into the obvious techno beats they are going for.

Appearance in the digital film, if you have an opinion here:
-Make him wise, intelligent, but somewhat witty and humorous as in the MK Movie and Conquest. I enjoyed both those Raidens quite a bit. Don't overdue it, and make him a joke, but make him enjoyable.

Anything else you'd like to add:
-Raiden has always been a fun character, and I can't wait to see what he has to offer in this game. I hope they make him as decent as I know they will, because each character has looked fantastic in this game, and hopefully he gets all his iconic looks and moves back. Give him some awesome fatalities, and you have the total package.
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02/24/2011 10:39 AM (UTC)
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Honestly, I never really cared for the character design up until Deadly Alliance. They took some chances with the classic formula and came up with a winner, so I'm a little bummed they decided to take a step back. I'd like his alt. to take some artistic cues from the deadly alliance days, but only time will tell.

Story wise. The one thing that would interest me is his own personal conflict. It's obvious that the game will open with Shao Kahn about to deliver the death blow to Dark Raiden(at least it fuckin better). I think it would be interesting for him to(in addition to seeing what will transpire) see what type of being he has become. He's always kind of played the wise mentor and protector to earthrealm and the warriors of light. I'm interested to see if he has any reaction to who and what he'd become if it all transpired. Would he understand his actions, and maybe implement some of the "tough love" Dark Raiden was delivering? Would he go out of his way to try and avoid the things he thinks Dark Raiden would do? Would that weaken his resolve, or make him all the wiser and stronger for it? If this moral conflict isn't addressed at all, I will be kind of bummed. I just can't think that MK II Raiden would approve of what he's become.

Fatality wise. I wouldn't mind seeing an electric chair type of fatality. The loser would fall to his knees in defeat and await death(old school kung fu movie style). Raiden simply puts his hand on top of his head, and we see electricity coarse through the loser's body(putting the new x ray feature to work). Screaming, spasm, and the loser's head eventually bursting into flames, would be a good way to tie it all up.
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02/24/2011 11:24 AM (UTC)
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Okay so...

Raiden's Fighting Style

MK2 Carlos Pesina please. What I mean is, Raiden's general movements, the "Hub" of Raiden...the "core" of how he moves around, throws a jab, blocks, and so on should look like Carlos back in MK2. The basic stuff. I liked his old MK2 throw and roundhouse too, actually. If they could recreate those things I'll feel right at home with him right away.

For his more elaborate basics, I wouldn't mind one bit if it looked and felt like MKvsDC Raiden. They did a great job on him there too. The major point here though, is something I think they've already nipped in the bud. That is, he shouldn't look or feel like he's using a "real-life" martial arts style. It should look and feel as though the things that he does might be akin to a real-life martial arts style.

They got this SO right in MKvsDC that I trust them with it for MK2011. The only problem was that he felt limited for whatever reasons. Expand on him and we're golden.

Other Behavior

1.) Use his fingers more. Particularly when he's using electricity. It's a finesse thing. Carlos has Raidens' sense of finesse.

2.) I want the electricity that flows around his body during a fight again. Each game I request this but it hasn't come back yet. I can only assume there must be something on the programming side of things that's keeping them from giving it back to us.

3.) Show his mastery, or in other words, show me his age in the way he fights. If you were around since the beginning of time, wouldn't you know everything there is to know about fighting? Show me some audacity, some finesse, and at times, show me a nonchalant master of martial arts from Raiden. He'd have Pai Mei's attitude during their actual fight scene [3:15sec on] at times, for instance.

Special Moves

1.) Lightning Throw - Lightning "climbs" all over him like in MK1-MK2. Lightning throw climbs off of him through his fingers.

2.) Torpedo - MK1-Trilogy / MKvsDC



3.) Teleport - I agree with everyone else here. When he teleports, I'd like for him to "form" back into himself, not just a "blip".



I would shit a brick if they got his teleport to look like it did in the MKD Intro [00:50 seconds in {see "electric shield" for link}]. Where he fakes out Shang Tsung.

4.) "Morning Storm" - Should work in Raidens wake-up//get-up game. To where, he can give people a little zap when he's getting up off the ground. MKA's Intro Video [01:17 seconds in], where Raiden shocks Shinnok is the best example. They gave us another great example in the MKD intro video [01:13 seconds - 01:20 seconds {see "electric shield" for link}]. Where he eventually penetrates Quan Chi's wall of skulls.

5.) Electric Shield - Site MKD Intro Vid [01:03 seconds]. Defensive move.

6.) Lightning Shock - MKvsDC where he grabs and shocks you, and then punches you.

**new**7.) God's Smite - [a.] I think it'd be cool to see his staff calmly form in his hand, and have him tap it twice on the ground, triggering a lightning bolt from above similar to Rain or Nightwolf's move.

[b.] Either that, or just have the staff form in his hand really quickly as he quickly throws one fist up to the sky like his MKvsDC win pose. This calls a bolt of lightning to his staff, and the way the staff is positioned in his hand, it sends that bolt at the opponent.

"[a.]" would probably be his most risky move, while "[b]" could be the move he take the least risk with, doing minimal damage but, boy, what a spectacle that flash of lightning would be.

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02/24/2011 08:32 PM (UTC)
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I think it would be cool, in raiden's x-ray, to show him electrocuting the victim and showing their heart speeding up/fibrillating/whatever.


I want this now that you've brought it up....SO bad. lol

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I want them to go all out with electrical powers this time.

Shooting lightning isn't all a guy can do...


I don't see why the MKD intro vid shouldn't be used to inspire a couple new moves for him. The stuff he's doing in that video is all within the capabilities of this new engine. Plus the moves are just cool.

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Raiden's always had weak fatalities. The only one I ever liked was the SNES version of his MK1 one. An exploding head is generic. Reducing someone to a pile of dust with a skull sitting in it is badass. I hope they give him something similar to his MK4 or DA finishers where the electrocution looks very visually spectacular and the body blackens to a crisp. Raiden'll be a nice change of pace from all the cutting limbs off everyone else does.


This bothers me to no end. You figure with power over one of the most violent forces in nature the ideas associated with weilding such a power can't be lost on anyone. But when it comes right down to it I guess, the most spectacular you're gonna get from a fatality is probably an explosion of some sort.

I've thought about the radioactive properties of real lightning and maybe having one of his fatalities melt the opponent. Then again, how exciting would something like that be?

If we're talking burning people to a crisp, there's a line that can't be crossed. That sort of thing can get extremely graphic very quickly. Overkill beyond just being a fatality. I wouldn't want them to take it to that level.

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As far as his moves, I really hope his projectile looks more like electric bolts shooting from his hands like his original projectiles did and not just some stupid lightning ball, who ever heard of a lightning ball? lol just because MvC does it with storm doesn't mean Raiden should have it.


Y'know, lightning is similar to hair the way it behaves. They both really deserve their own little physics mechanic inside the engine. I don't like the "ball of lightning" either and, understanding the behavior really doesn't help me like the ball of lightning more either. I do wish it could be displayed more realistically. That would make my day.

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Gameplay Style:
-I want him to be quick, but not as powerful. He should be as quick as they come, with lightning speed attacks, but have them deal low in damage. He should be a distance player as well, relying on his specials and whatnot to aid him in battle, but he can do hand to hand quite well if he's forced to. Given that his specials are for the most part ranged attacks, or from a sweep distance, it's only logical to make him a mid-ranged based character.


I disagree with this. Even though he has electricity, bolts of lightning and so on, I like him being a medium speed sort of character. I think the inference of speed is given to him through moves like his teleport and the torpedo. Any more than that and I think we're getting out of hand.

I agree with him being a mid-to-far range character though. Presents a challenge that way. Aside from this, I think it gives the creators an excuse to play with more interesting moves for him.

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-I'd just like to see Raiden struggle to figure out what he needs to do. Have him make some bad decisions that lead to altered events that go wrong. Make it a huge inner conflict within him, and have him question himself, and have the plot be him trying to find out what is right for Earthrealm and whatnot.


What I find interesting about this is how you're humanizing him, not so much that you're humanizing him. Of course, the idea of gods making mistakes isn't lost on me. All sorts of mythology has gods that make mistakes but, to show a god assess things, try to correct something, then reassess, and then reflect on his actions would certainly be something I'd welcome.

I'm interested to see where else you might go with this sort of idea. Could you give a more specific example?

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Story wise. The one thing that would interest me is his own personal conflict. It's obvious that the game will open with Shao Kahn about to deliver the death blow to Dark Raiden(at least it fuckin better). I think it would be interesting for him to(in addition to seeing what will transpire) see what type of being he has become.

He's always kind of played the wise mentor and protector to earthrealm and the warriors of light. I'm interested to see if he has any reaction to who and what he'd become if it all transpired. Would he understand his actions, and maybe implement some of the "tough love" Dark Raiden was delivering? Would he go out of his way to try and avoid the things he thinks Dark Raiden would do? Would that weaken his resolve, or make him all the wiser and stronger for it? If this moral conflict isn't addressed at all, I will be kind of bummed. I just can't think that MK II Raiden would approve of what he's become.


This is something I'm looking for from a bunch of the characters actually. I feel like if there is no reaction from the characters to the things that they go through, then why even bother with taking them through these dramatic situations in the first place.

For Raiden, I'm looking to see him make choices based on the greater good of things no matter what. If that makes him look like a bad guy, and the other characters in the game frown on him for some of his choices, so be it. It gives him sort of "Dark Night" appeal at that point. I can completely understand wanting to keep him a good guy, and even if they want to maintain this mentor thing that they have going for him since MK2 or so. But at the same time, adding another dimension to him like this would make him a better character.

I also kinda think giving him dimension like this would allow more people to get a rounder sense of Dark Raiden too. The notion that he is or could be evil is appealing, but at the same time it's kinda aggravating that more people don't grasp on to the concept quite right.

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02/24/2011 08:44 PM (UTC)
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unseenwombat Wrote:
I think it would be cool, in raiden's x-ray, to show him electrocuting the victim and showing their heart speeding up/fibrillating/whatever.


I want this now that you've brought it up....SO bad. lol
Me too. Raiden used to be my favorite in MK1. I hope they make him really cool this time.

Alternately, give him the same effect for his fatality, except the opponent's heart explodes, leaving a large hole right through the chest. (They did it for Liu Kang).

I also miss the cremation fatality from the SNES MK1. Hope it comes back, I'm tired of entire bodies exploding.
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02/24/2011 08:53 PM (UTC)
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Y'know, I'm open to more different types of fatalities for him because his fatalities have always sucked so hard. I think the best one he's ever had was probably his MKDA Primary Fatality. I really got the point with that one.

The only thing about it that I didn't like was how he easily dug his hands inside the victims chest (gimme a punchy "*thud*" effect or something y'know?). Every other single little thing about it I loved it. That fatality actually made his Thor costume look better to me...weird. wink
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02/24/2011 08:59 PM (UTC)
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I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of his Deadly Alliance secondary costume returning. I thought he looked more like a God in that appearance than what he looks like now. One of my favorites.

As long as his teleport moves stays, then there's no need to worry about his moves for me. I love teleporting characters.

Story wise, humph, I actually liked his story in Deception. I liked the dark Raiden that we saw and I hope it returns with this knowing that Raiden's going to see what will come about with this vision. This is another game that's going to revolve around him and I like when he's more important to the story rather than a different character.

I always like playing as this character, I'm really anxious what he's going to do. He can stop a person by electrocuting the crap out of them all because he placed the realms in danger, well, let's see what his next move is going to be in with this game.
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02/24/2011 09:01 PM (UTC)
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Regarding moves, I think it's strange that Nightwolf has one where he calls down lightning from the sky and Raiden doesn't. What's up with that?

From the videos I've been watching today, it seems like a lot of characters have counters. Liu has the flaming teleport, Cage has one that leads to his X-ray, and Sub Zero obviously has his freeze one. I think Raiden should have one where he electrifies himself for a moment so you can't touch him.
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02/26/2011 02:08 AM (UTC)
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I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of his Deadly Alliance secondary costume returning. I thought he looked more like a God in that appearance than what he looks like now. One of my favorites.


I'm actually afraid of this. I don't quite understand why we have to have these sorts of preconceived notions of what i god looks like. When it comes to Raiden, what made them go right for a Thor-ish look in that alt, knowing people would associate him with that god?

See what I'm saying? I'm actually kind of happy to see folks like Vincent Proce take liberties like he did with his Raiden sketch. I don't particularly like his version of Raiden much at all but, I appreciate that he tried to make Raiden into his own kind of god character. I think that picture carries that same sort of "godly" sentiment as the Thor alternate costume from MKDA-A and, it has it's own authenticity. That's the sort of thing I'm after for Raiden's alt.

Now, I do like that in those games, the MKTeam took Thor-like liberties (shirt off, showed his hair...etc) but at the same time, I HATE when rip-offs are so obviously similar. I like Big Caz's tattoo design so much better as a result. It just looks so much more like Raiden for one, and it looks more original for two. I've never seen a character designed similarly as that and i think they should take advantage of this kind of opportunity.

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Raiden's X-Ray Move

Option 1: Take Captain Marvels moves from MKvsDC:

1.) Raiden takes a short hop back and uses a move like "Power of Zeus". This summons lightning from above to strike opponent. *pop-up*

2.) Raiden Teleports - Close range now.

3.) Achilles Bolt - As the opponent falls, Raiden cocks back and blasts the opponent across the screen in dramatic fashion. On impact is when they show the x-ray effect of the bones and stuff cracking.

DONE

Option 2: Take Captain Marvels moves from MKvsDC:

1.) Raiden's traditional Lightning throw/bolt (large/pro-move) - *slow motion starts*...

2.) Raiden Teleports - Close range now, the lightning bolt he threw in 1.) is still on the way...

3.) Atlas Clap - Raiden uses a new move "Thunder Clap" to send the opponent hurling across the screen and into the lightning bolt that he threw earlier.

4.) Achilles Bolt - As the opponent flies back towards Raiden, he cocks back and blasts the opponent across the screen in dramatic fashion. On impact is when they show the x-ray effect of the bones and stuff cracking.

DONE

Option 3

1.) Raiden Graps you by the neck like his MKvsDC move, except he doesn't electrocute you first. He just picks you up, and punches you across the screen.

2.) The camera zooms in on the opponents feet for some strange reason, until we realize what's actually happening.

3.) In slow motion, the camera pans up as it looks like the opponent is being pulled up-right beyond their own will. *feet drags and they start shaking really crazy*

4.) In that same camera pan, we see Raiden reforming from a now obvious teleport right next to the opponents legs.

5.) As Raiden reforms, the opponent is dragged to their feet while shaking, and the camera pans up to an upper body screen-shot. We finally see that Raiden has been the one pulling them up-right, and shocking the crap out of them the whole time. This is where we'd see the organs being fried, heart rate speeding up exponentially, and so on.

6.) To finish, Raiden cocks back and blasts the opponent across the screen in dramatic fashion. On impact is again when they show the x-ray effect of the bones and stuff cracking

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02/26/2011 02:22 AM (UTC)
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Pred, you often call his DA alt a "Thor" costume. I'm curious where you're drawing that resemblance from.



The long silver hair is from Lambert's movie Raiden, and the clothes are a samurai robe with one sleeve unworn like a ronin and a big ol' hakama skirt/pants thing. He even has a katana on his hip and part of his hair's in a topknot. Granted I'm not sure WHY they thought to dress Raiden like a samurai...but it's not "Thor" at all. It's Japanese.

Thor tends to wear armor. And spandex if you're lookin' at the Marvel version.
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02/26/2011 02:45 AM (UTC)
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Pretty much, it's due to the idea of a "big bulky strong guy with, medium length hair, and lighting around him."

Here's some pics from a quick Google Image Search:

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Now, I like Thor and all but (really, I feel strong enough about the character to have actually worn sigs and stuff with him in it.), I hate it when I can tell where the base of a concept came from. I probably could draw similar ties with Zeus actually.

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02/26/2011 02:49 AM (UTC)
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ThePredator151 Wrote:
Pretty much, it's due to the idea of a "big bulky strong guy with, medium length hair, and lighting around him."


Well that description could fit Raiden anyway. I mean what part of the costume are you complaining about? Raiden's always had a big physique. He's even canonically seven feet tall. He's always been crackling with bolts of electricity ever since MK1, barring a couple games where they forgot to or couldn't animate it in. (which disappoints me when it happens, personally) And it's not gonna stop being canon that his hair is long and white, the Lambert version is too popular.

His actual clothes don't really have anything in common with those pictures of Thor's armor with his winged viking hat and the big metal disks on his chest. (Also, one of those pics was Odin, who doesn't even use electricity, he's just an old man with one eye and a beard. Raiden doesn't have one eye and a beard.)

I'm just not really getting where you're going with this but if I had to guess, I think you're saying Raiden should never be shown without the black hood and cone hat over his head, because long hair alone makes him look too much like other gods?
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02/26/2011 03:00 AM (UTC)
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There's a few items in particular, I guess.

a.) Top Knot - Instantly disgruntles ThePredator151
b.) Gaudy Color scheme - Silver hair, gold trimmings? No.
c.) Half Chest out - Gleans Greek Mythology in my mind.
d.) Katana - Makes no sense to me since he's always been seen with a staff.
e.) Hat on His back - Put the DAMN hat on his head!

lol

They could've done better with a similar design. It's why i like that fan art alot more than the actual thing in the game. Also, tbh, I like the color scheme of the costume they have on him but, artistically it fights with the colors in his hair and eyes. It visually compartmentalizes the character. (shoulders up, and shoulders down)

EDIT: Nah, I don't think he should always have the head wrappings or hood. But that topknot thing's gotta go.

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02/26/2011 03:04 AM (UTC)
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I'll give you the topknot and the katana. I don't get the samurai thing either. The bare chest bothering you I can understand too...it doesn't bother me personally, but I can see where you're coming from.

But Raiden's worn gold trim since MK2. That's his trademark color scheme: White, black, blue, gold. He always wears those colors.

And if he had his hat on in every costume ever then the alts would look too much like the primaries. Which defeats the purpose of an alt costume. And the silver hair...that's Raiden's hair now. It's always gonna be, barring a radical reboot where everything that's ever been canon is wiped out like Proce's ideas.
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02/26/2011 03:12 AM (UTC)
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I don't think so, i mean look at this one more time.

Him having his hat on is his biggest trademark. To change the kimono, or let it fall off of him some kind of way (especially when we're talking about getting rid of the hood and letting his hair be seen), is a big enough change in itself. Makes for a perfect alternate costume. Changing stuff from the shoulders up in subtle ways changes the whole personality of a person sometimes.

Now, if we look at it backwards, and kept the hood and the hat, but changed the actual clothes he's wearing, i think THAT would be a bigger mistake as an alternate. He would be instantly identifiable as ""Raiden" but, the rest of his costume would come under scrutiny for going too far away from his core concept.

So, hood or no hood, I think you always wanna keep the the hat on his head. The hood being the actual optional piece.
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02/26/2011 03:21 AM (UTC)
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I dunno...it does look different enough to be a good alt I suppose, but for me personally, I actually liked the way he looked with the hat on his back in DA. I'm just not getting the same "too similar to Thor and Zeus" vibe you do.
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MOVES- MKvsDC moveset plus lightning counter- stands with arms behind his back, when he gets hit he teleports behind the enemy and shoots lightning at them ala MKD intro

X-RAY- shoots lightning into enemies chest speeding up their heart, shoots lightning at their head frying the brain

FATALITY 1- slams his staff into the enemies chest, calls lightning down using the staff as a conductor, enemy falls down a charred mess

FATALITY 2- grabs enemy and lifts them above his head, a bolt of lightning comes down on the enemies body, raiden then rips the body in half and throws it onto the ground

VICTORY POSE- calls lightning down from the sky and redirects it into the screen
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Primary costume:

I have to confess, I'm not exactly blown away by it. It's a fine render, but an update to his MK4 look is all it really is...and I'm not too wild about the shin-pads either. I think they could have done better. I wouldn't object to it at all if it just didn't seem like they were trying something different with almost everyone else. I suppose the medallion's a nice touch.

Alt costume:

There's very little doubt in my mind what with the emphasis on DLC retro costumes that Raiden's alt is going to be MK1-influenced. That's quite frankly what I was hoping to see out of his main - a return to the MK1 look sans the blue bits, but updated, perhaps with elements that worked well in his later costumes - his staff slung over his back, sandals, etc. A white cloak with a shabby look would even be nice as a nod to Lambert's look.

Gameplay Style:

Raiden should ideally be one of those who relies more on juggle combos than single hits. Nothing as extravagant as Kitana's, mayhaps, but definitely about four to five aerial hits is what I'm prepared to see. Jump kick into torpedo for the damn win.

Special Moves:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. :) I'd actually love to see the MKDC lighting charge come back, that was oodles of fun. I'd also love for his often forgotten MK2 shock grab to come back; if your timing was good, you could use it to start a few simple combos. I would like them to expand on that, make it into a command throw with juggle potential.

Fatalities

Agreed with Razor that the MK1 SNES fatal was badass, and I'd love to see it come back.

It's amazing, but he's never actually used a regular lightning bolt to kill anyone. I'd like it if atmospheric effects could be used to form some localized storm clouds and mist, generally darken the area around the enemy, before they're disintegrated in a blinding bolt of lightning.

Vignette Expectations

My expectation is that we'll get flashes of Kahn's war with Edenia, Raiden's plea to the gods on Earthrealm's behalf, and the creation of the MK tournament, before a brief mention of his current role as mentor and guide. I could hope for something insane like seeing him come into being as a tremendous flash of lightning generated by the Elder Gods in a time beyond time ago, but that's hoping for the impossible.

Arena:

People can talk trash about the 3D MK games as much as they want, but they had some great stages. I'd kill for the Sky Temple to be given another chance. It was his hangout, after all. Even in 2D, the fight could take place near the edge for that fatality.

Story:

It's impossible to predict what will happen, but there's no denying that 2011 is Raiden's game. We have an understanding as to what his motivations are, but what interests me is how far he'll go, what he'll alter in order to prevent Armageddon. Will he kill Kahn personally? Go after Shinnok early? If too many powerful warriors' (ugh) are really a problem, will he advocate the mass execution of anyone he perceives a threat? It all depends on what he knows, what his Armageddon-era self reveals to him.

I'm dying to see what he'll be like, more than almost anyone else.
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02/26/2011 04:16 AM (UTC)
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Shadaloo Wrote:
It's amazing, but he's never actually used a regular lightning bolt to kill anyone. I'd like it if atmospheric effects could be used to form some localized storm clouds and mist, generally darken the area around the enemy, before they're disintegrated in a blinding bolt of lightning.


Actually, one of his MKvsDCU finishers had him calling a bolt from the actual sky while he held them by the neck, to strike the opponent and turn them into a smoking skeleton.

Graphically, it was pretty unimpressive because of the T-rated version of the skin burning off, where it's just a flash and they go from character to bones, but still.
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02/26/2011 04:40 AM (UTC)
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If Raiden Fights like in this video with moves this explosive that would be awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsphHDurNn4
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02/26/2011 04:41 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Shadaloo Wrote:
It's amazing, but he's never actually used a regular lightning bolt to kill anyone. I'd like it if atmospheric effects could be used to form some localized storm clouds and mist, generally darken the area around the enemy, before they're disintegrated in a blinding bolt of lightning.


Actually, one of his MKvsDCU finishers had him calling a bolt from the actual sky while he held them by the neck, to strike the opponent and turn them into a smoking skeleton.

Graphically, it was pretty unimpressive because of the T-rated version of the skin burning off, where it's just a flash and they go from character to bones, but still.


Did he really?

Jesus, maybe I should have spent more than two weeks with that game.
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02/26/2011 04:50 AM (UTC)
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Well, they're all on Youtube now, so there's that.
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02/26/2011 10:25 AM (UTC)
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If Raiden Fights like in this video with moves this explosive that would be awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsphHDurNn4


I like so much about that video, I'm not gonna even start. lol

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Fatalities

Agreed with Razor that the MK1 SNES fatal was badass, and I'd love to see it come back.


Quoted just to finally post the link of Raidens' MK1 Fatality on SNES.

I like this fatality SO much... I really do, but I like Raidens' MKDA primary fatality even more.

Raiden's Fatalities

Seems obvious they're combining past fatalities for all the characters in MK9, but I don't know how exactly they'd manage combining Raidens. The other thing is, all of Raidens past fatalities end in explosions. While in this coming game, everyone seems to have some sort of chopping, or ripping sort of fatality.

I'm pretty sure what happened is, fans bitched about explosions so much (..and I think rightfully so, btw. there were just-so-many of them. they were everywhere for god sakes), it must have gotten to the point where the developers scratched out the option of any explosions altogether. Thing is, I think Raiden, given his special ability, should probably be one of the only individuals on the roster who should have at least one explosion.

Other than that, I got no clue... so I'm just gonna lay some ideas out there.

Primary

1.) Starts with an uppercut, a reference to his old MK2 exploding uppercut fatality, except you don't blow up immediately. I anticipate at least the head to come off.

2.) He catches and electrocutes the head while the body falls to the ground.

3.) When the head is burnt up nice and crispy, Raiden crushes the skull into ashes with one hand. Which could be a reference to his MK1 fatality that Razor originally brought up (link above). To give this one some attitude, I'd have Raiden dust his hands with a smug look on his face and walk away. *win pose*

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Secondary

1.) As a reference to him MKDA primary fatality (link above), Raiden punches his hands inside your body and lifts you above his head.

2.) Commence the electrocution.

3.) Instead of exploding (which I'd prefer actually), I think what's likely to happen is he'll rip you in half ala MK3-Trilogy maskless Sub-Zero's old fatality. *win pose*

As a side note to this one, I'd expect the body to fall apart once he throws it on the ground. Head comes off and rolls a bit, the legs go separate ways, torso lays there squirming... stuff like that.

DONE

Third - The first two would be fine to have I guess but, I want more of a lightning show out of Raiden's fatalities. So, here's a third one.

1.) Raiden raises one hand in the air to summon//attract an unusual number of lightning bolts.

2.) Once he has what he needs, those bolts turn into his staff. He throws the staff at you, causing you to fly backwards once it hits center mass.

3.) Right after he throws his staff and the camera follows, we see him turn around and throw his regular lightning move (MK2 reference again 00:18 seconds in). Only this bolt is bigger than his pro move would have been in MKvsDC.

4.) As the opponent flies backward from being impaled with the staff, the lightning bolt Raiden threw when he turned around hits the opponent making a huge explosion. Raiden covers up with his hat down as blood splashes all over the place. *win pose*

They'd have to play with slow motion to get this one right, but it would be of the caliber fatality I'd want to see from Raiden. Instead of what I expect to see.

DONE

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02/26/2011 10:58 AM (UTC)
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to ThePredator151:

I totally agree with u about the Lightning around him while fighting...they should totally do this again. hes not raiden unless he has that u kno?...not like a ton of it but maybe like SSJ2 teen Gohan(when fighting Cell)...its just enough there.

and for his Atire i like his MKDA alt the best honestly. but with no bun thingy in his hair and no sword. the hat on the bak dont bother me...maybe a short command where hes already wearin his hat then pushes it off so its behind him would be pretty kool and maybe change the color of his cloths to wat they are now maybe but keep the MKDA alt look.(IMO)...oh and i hope they make look like hes 7 feet tall this time instead of everyone looking pretty much the same height...that goes for everyone thou...make them look as tall as they really suppose to look canon wise NRS!

powers wise they need to take notes from inFAMOUS. the physics of lightning/electricity was top notch. i hope raiden's powers look like that honestly.

other then that im pretty happy with him.
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02/26/2011 11:02 AM (UTC)
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Y'know... you made me think of something. I wonder if they're gonna let his hat get knocked off like Kung Lao's.

I don't think I'd like it if they did that... hm.
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