Will they bring the bios back?Should they?
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posted07/03/2010 09:37 PM (UTC)by
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So far...we are all very excited. We were shown many things from the game that were awesome, and they are bringing many things back. But what do you think about the bios? Should they or want them to return?Personally, I want them badly!lol! Your thoughts...
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RazorsEdge701
07/02/2010 03:14 AM (UTC)
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Considering the backlash to their absence in Armageddon, I'd like to think they've learned a lesson.
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07/02/2010 03:27 AM (UTC)
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Yea i missed the bios in armageddon ther wer a few but they were pretty crappy. So yea bios are needed for me
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BecomingDeath13
07/02/2010 04:13 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Considering the backlash to their absence in Armageddon, I'd like to think they've learned a lesson.


They better had. It'll be nice if they have 3D renderings of the characters for the bio's. That way you can rotate them and zoom in on them so you can see just how detailed the developers really got on the fighters. Already seems like they've done an admirable job this go round.
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07/02/2010 04:32 AM (UTC)
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Bios for this game should mimic the motion graphic novel style of the endings. It should be more an engrossing pre-logue than a quick read.
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khanswarrior15
07/02/2010 05:08 AM (UTC)
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If so, I hope that they're something like Tekken's prologues?
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Considering the backlash to their absence in Armageddon, I'd like to think they've learned a lesson.


The backlash towards no endings in Armageddon was one of the most embarrassing things ive seen in my life from this forum and MK fans. Midway was getting death threats all because they didnt get bios which THEY DIDNT NEED IN THE FIRST PLACE!


You know who these characters are, you dont need bios
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Turok5000
07/02/2010 05:36 AM (UTC)
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TheManWithTheGoldenGun Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Considering the backlash to their absence in Armageddon, I'd like to think they've learned a lesson.


The backlash towards no endings in Armageddon was one of the most embarrassing things ive seen in my life from this forum and MK fans. Midway was getting death threats all because they didnt get bios which THEY DIDNT NEED IN THE FIRST PLACE!


You know who these characters are, you dont need bios

What about people who never played Mortal Kombat before. Don't get me wrong but some people who want to play a new fighting game they never played before would probably not understand the characters very well. I agree that MKA bios was SCANDILOUSfurious but maybe a plot like MKvsDC will help bring the storyline more smoothly!
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07/02/2010 05:55 AM (UTC)
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I think bios are a pretty safe bet. They've only been in every game but Armageddon.

Personally though, I couldn't care less. I know who the characters are. And new fans have the benefit of Wikipedia or fansites. They don't have to buy moldy strat guides like I did.
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07/02/2010 06:52 AM (UTC)
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Bios should be brought back, MK1 style!
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07/02/2010 07:22 AM (UTC)
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I mentioned this in an earlier post. I think they should. I liked the idea of rotating 360 around a character to see the minor details they did up close.
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RazorsEdge701
07/02/2010 07:25 AM (UTC)
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TheManWithTheGoldenGun Wrote:
You know who these characters are


That's not what bios are for. Bios are for telling us what they've been up to since the last game ended. They always give us NEW information about the characters that we didn't have before.

We still don't know for sure what the fuck Reptile was doing hanging out with the Red Dragon clan, or how Sheeva and Hsu Hao came back to life. That's what bios would have told us if Armageddon had had them all.

In fact, everything we DO know about how Onaga was defeated in Deception and how the plot of Armageddon is really meant to work came from the few bios Vogel did complete and put online, proving how important they are to telling the complete story and how empty the game's plot really is without them. That's why the fans who follow the storyline consider them necessary/mandatory.

Further, since this game's plot is about changing the past, bios would be an easy way of listing/keeping track of all the individual differences, since story mode can only follow one character at a time.
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07/02/2010 08:56 AM (UTC)
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i think they are needed just to let the player know the changes in their characters stories from raidens actions
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
TheManWithTheGoldenGun Wrote:
You know who these characters are


That's not what bios are for. Bios are for telling us what they've been up to since the last game ended. They always give us NEW information about the characters that we didn't have before.

We still don't know for sure what the fuck Reptile was doing hanging out with the Red Dragon clan, or how Sheeva and Hsu Hao came back to life. That's what bios would have told us if Armageddon had had them all.


In fact, everything we DO know about how Onaga was defeated in Deception and how the plot of Armageddon is really meant to work came from the few bios Vogel did complete and put online, proving how important they are to telling the complete story and how empty the game's plot really is without them. That's why the fans who follow the storyline consider them necessary/mandatory.


Further, since this game's plot is about changing the past, bios would be an easy way of listing/keeping track of all the individual differences, since story mode can only follow one character at a time.



Thats because Armageddon wasnt Cannon just like Mortal Kombat Trilogy. Armageddon was pretty much Mortal Kombat Trilogy 2 and was nothing more than an excuse to get every MK character in the game. This game is starting after Armageddon and then re writting history cause they realize how shitty the story has become

Also questions like how Sheeva and Hsu Hao dont really make sense because that would mean that every characters stories are cannon which they arent. There is only one canon ending to each game so you really cant ask questions like that. Hell I could ask "why is sonya and jax alive when they were killed at the end of Kanos Bio in MKDA" or something like that.
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07/02/2010 01:31 PM (UTC)
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TheManWithTheGoldenGun Wrote:
Thats because Armageddon wasnt Cannon just like Mortal Kombat Trilogy.
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Also questions like how Sheeva and Hsu Hao dont really make sense because that would mean that every characters stories are cannon which they arent.


Wait...
WHAT?
wow
Poto2222 Wrote:
TheManWithTheGoldenGun Wrote:
Thats because Armageddon wasnt Cannon just like Mortal Kombat Trilogy.
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Also questions like how Sheeva and Hsu Hao dont really make sense because that would mean that every characters stories are cannon which they arent.


Wait...
WHAT?
wow


All armageddon was was Mortal Kombat Trilogy 2. Thats it. Yes the story did start at Deception but it was filled with SO many plot holes that it might as well not have been canon. Thats the point of the new MK game. The story was shit, didnt fall into the MK storyline correctly so they are erasing it and starting over
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ItMustBeBunnies
07/02/2010 02:44 PM (UTC)
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Trilogy was canon. It introduced Shinnok! They rewrote some of the endings to setup MK4. That game replaced UMK3.
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Trilogy was canon. It introduced Shinnok! They rewrote some of the endings to setup MK4. That game replaced UMK3.


wait what? Are you talking about MKMSZ? I cant remember Shinnock in MK Trilogy at all... or MK4 replacing UMK3
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ItMustBeBunnies
07/02/2010 03:51 PM (UTC)
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He's mentioned in Mileena and Noob Saibot's stories. Noob's MKT bio refers to Shinnok and the Brothers of the Shadow.


and Trilogy replaces UMK3 not MK4. The name Trilogy is misleading. It's just the UMK3 story with some revisions to set up MKM/MK4 and a couple of non canon characters to complete the roster.
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Poto2222
07/02/2010 04:00 PM (UTC)
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TheManWithTheGoldenGun Wrote:
Poto2222 Wrote:
TheManWithTheGoldenGun Wrote:
Thats because Armageddon wasnt Cannon just like Mortal Kombat Trilogy.
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Also questions like how Sheeva and Hsu Hao dont really make sense because that would mean that every characters stories are cannon which they arent.


Wait...
WHAT?
wow


All armageddon was was Mortal Kombat Trilogy 2. Thats it. Yes the story did start at Deception but it was filled with SO many plot holes that it might as well not have been canon. Thats the point of the new MK game. The story was shit, didnt fall into the MK storyline correctly so they are erasing it and starting over

Not THIS is right.

Armageddon MIGHT be non cannon = acceptable as a comment, (because it was cannon, no matter what)
Armageddon WASN'T cannon = Terribly WRONG.
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07/02/2010 04:10 PM (UTC)
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Umm LOL...

Armageddon was very much canon. It was building up since MKDA. Dont you DARE try and say its just MK Trilogy 2. hahaha

I am not even going to start getting into how incomprehensable your statement is. The beginning of the events leading to this new game happen. During/After Armageddon!

I cant even cope this post.

Onto Bio's.

YET AGAIN, RazorsEdge is 100% correct. You guys should take it a little easy because hes looking like an information god right now.

Every Bio in the games where we had received them had told us what happened between the beginning of the last game/where we left off with them in the previous Konquest. in the simplist way possible, I am gonna provide an example here.

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Here is Scorpions MKD Bio:

"In my haste to confront my nemesis, Quan Chi, I was ambushed by two oni and cast into a powerful soulnado. I would surely have been torn apart by the souls trapped there had I not managed to escape into the Void. It was there that I first set eyes on the fabled Elder Gods. I would be forever changed by this encounter.

While in the Void, I witnessed, along with the Elder Gods, the death of Raiden and the re-emergence of the Dragon King. Suddenly aware of my presence, the Elder Gods transformed me into their servant and gave me a new purpose: to prevent the Dragon King from merging the realms."
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Now in MKD, even in Konquest mode! he was disguised as "Monster" so thos who had played Arcade through with him would not suspect his Ending have any canon relation until Konquest was completed thus rbinging the "deception" concept to life. We left off with Scorpion being thrown into the soulando by moloch and drahmin, this left us with the possibility of his death. Now you tell me, HOW IN THE WORLD would you know that This happened to scorpion without Konquest coming across him in MKA? we were lucky there, We had no Bio so Konquest is our only sort of reference. If that doesnt cover it than we were pretty much left in the dark.

we can dive right right into as many as you would like. Tell me, with what evidence other than Konquest and endings that ARE NOT to be cosidered canon until we find out the following game in "BIOS!", happened to Tanya? Shujinko? Cyrax? Noob Saibot? How would you know Mavado died at the hands of Kabal? How would you know what happened to Raiden after the explosion? I am DYING to know, please tell me what evidence you have.

Without Bio's, if Konquest doesnt touch upon it, anybody who claims they are useless cleary dont know what they are talking about. wow that was a great first post of the day, im wide awake now. thanks


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Shinomune
07/02/2010 05:36 PM (UTC)
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MKAr is canon. MK2011 made it. But the sad part is that probably the rest of MKAr bios, and other holes in the argument of MK1-MKAr timelin won't be answered...
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Jace_of_Spades
07/02/2010 07:22 PM (UTC)
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Shinomune Wrote:
MKAr is canon. MK2011 made it. But the sad part is that probably the rest of MKAr bios, and other holes in the argument of MK1-MKAr timelin won't be answered...


But thats just the thing, the reason they are doing this is so the plot holes become irrelevant. Its a reboot without being a reboot. Now they have a chance to make a much cleaner storyline. It is also quite possible that Raiden and Shao Kahns battle, in witch Raiden sends the message back through time, takes place at the beginning of the premise started by Armageddon, with all the warriors returning and mass chaos ensuing, rather than after Blaze had been defeated.
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07/02/2010 08:00 PM (UTC)
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Damn Armagedonn! Mortal Kombat will never end!tongue
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07/02/2010 08:02 PM (UTC)
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Well i want them back. I also want the MK1-styled Character Profiles. If they find a clever way to put them together that would be cool too. I already like what they've decided to do with the arcade endings. Gonna be sick...
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