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08/08/2005 05:51 AM (UTC)
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At first, I was exited that there was going to be the biggest MK roster ever.

Then things started creeping in my mind. After I read some of the comments you guys posted, I gotta say I completely changed my mind.

Ever notice how MKDA gameplay and character roster is much better than MKD? MKDA even looks better (has better graphics.)

Now that I changed my opinion, I gotta say alot of characters got my testostrone going, but I gotta pitch in for my friends who want quality over quantity.
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KenshiMaster16
08/08/2005 05:56 AM (UTC)
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Hmmm... bigger roster huh? Well, that could play out good and bad. A Trilogy 2 of sorts, yes, but it depends. If they fix the bugs, make the graphics a bit better, and the sort. Adding new features is good, too. The Chess Game from MK:D never gets old. That's all my friends talk about when they come over. (Not actual MK fans, just love playing chess and killing eachothers pieces) But anywho, I can see this as a crossroads for many MK gamers. It could lead to a good game or a bad game. Till we see screen shots and footage next year, if it is even the next MK game to be released after SM, I will remain undecided, but more characters, more fatalities, more interesting and entertaining MK mytho's never hurt anybody. grin wink
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08/08/2005 06:16 AM (UTC)
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THE THINGS WHY MK7 ALREADY SUCKS IN MY OPINION:

-if this is a second trilogy, then this reeks of comercial escape pull.

-biggest roster. Please, leave out the characters tha have already died or should have died from previous games. MK is already unbalanced plotwi-se. Vogel will you please not fuck up like with the closure of MKD?

-patched up gameplay: sure. We wil have patches that interrupt infiniting and as a sideeffect, all combos will go restricted on various occasions and most of the hits will be dislocated thanks to the newly introduced interruption system.

-spoon fed, this idea should drop dead.

-won't be given any proper testing again. Few others will joins RayRokka as fired becouse of constructive criticism. Thank you so much Boon.

-motion capture: you know, despite the MoCapping in MKD, few styles were actually looking fluid and believable. You should consult with some-one who actually understands substance in fighting styles.

-in an interwiew they asked Boon about Rain: he said that we could count on him being "in". great, whooppie, care to explain why they are desinteg-rating well-constructed pooints in the story? The enxt best thing wil be the complete rewamp of the storyline from MK3.

and I could go on ranting about this all day long.....but I am curoius wether Boon shows out to be a complete failure with MK7.
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08/08/2005 07:02 AM (UTC)
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IMO, the next Mortal Kombat game won't be a trilogy. If they want it 2 be a trilogy then they gotta use stories from the last 3 MK games... that will be MKD, MKDA, and MK4. They are probably gonna follow up on the events after Deception. To be honest, I would love to see the next MK game in the next-gen consoles. That means they can create the best looking MK game ever and hopefully a great engine to back it up. Charaters that are returning, I believe are the usual, Scorpion and Sub-Zero. Also, Liu might return with a new story, and possibly Shang Tsung. Maybe by the end of the year, we will see the first renders of the new MK, but until then, let's enjoy the release of MKSM first, then wonder of the next MK game.
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08/08/2005 08:25 AM (UTC)
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mmm. more combos glasses
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Abismo
08/08/2005 11:41 AM (UTC)
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The_Truth Wrote:
rayrokka Wrote:

You are going to get Ultimate MKD...with every character in MK history.
There will be a few bells and whistles but it will still suck or have fixes that break the game even more.

Anybody else find it kind of funny that ray pretty much called it before this news was released? grin Anyway, this wasn't exactly the first tidbits of information that I wanted to hear... I'm not sure what to think. Depressed I think. Then again we don't know anything yet but I'm getting worried about the whole thing now. Man.


The_Truth could you provide us with the link of that thread, please?


Chrome Wrote:

-won't be given any proper testing again. Few others will joins RayRokka as fired becouse of constructive criticism. Thank you so much Boon.


Has Ray de Guzman REALLY been fired? wow
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08/08/2005 12:35 PM (UTC)
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Damn fucking straight my man. Johnny Cage will return and I couldn't be happier. And about the whole "biggest roster ever" thing, let's not forget how many things were supposed to be in MKD that never made it. Things like customizing your Konquest character, Super Unlockables, etc. I don't think this will be another MKT. If they are just starting MK7 now, it WON'T be coming out for PS2 and XBox. It will come out for next gen consoles.
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08/08/2005 01:05 PM (UTC)
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Abismo Wrote:
The_Truth Wrote:
rayrokka Wrote:

You are going to get Ultimate MKD...with every character in MK history.
There will be a few bells and whistles but it will still suck or have fixes that break the game even more.

Anybody else find it kind of funny that ray pretty much called it before this news was released? grin Anyway, this wasn't exactly the first tidbits of information that I wanted to hear... I'm not sure what to think. Depressed I think. Then again we don't know anything yet but I'm getting worried about the whole thing now. Man.


The_Truth could you provide us with the link of that thread, please?


Chrome Wrote:

-won't be given any proper testing again. Few others will joins RayRokka as fired becouse of constructive criticism. Thank you so much Boon.


Has Ray de Guzman REALLY been fired? wow



Hahaha, that was good. yes, he was fired to my knowledge, but it seems as...
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KaizuDragon
08/08/2005 02:36 PM (UTC)
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When we referred to it as MK Trilogy 2, it didn't necessarily mean that would be the title of the game, but probably what Boon's aiming for.

MK:D has a 24 character roster, and yet its one of the most flawed games yet.

MK2 has 12 character roster, and yet its one of the most definitive fighting games ever released.

Need I say more? Okay, since you asked. smile

That just goes to reaffirm one of my earlier points. It seems that Midway has forgotten what it is about the game series that made most of us fans in the first place. Probably from MK4 or MK5, but ever since then, they've always left out an imporant ingredient from each of the games. And we all know that secret ingredient.........is love. wink

No, but in all seriousness, it was to have a legit (or above legit) game engine. If they didn't promise us a new engine with MK5 and MK6, I don't think most of us would be complaining. It's their game, they make it as they please and we as fans and consumers choose to buy it as we please. But they DID promise a new engine, and continously fail to deliver.

As an MK fan, don't you hate getting into an arguement with somebody about Tekken, and being forced to sit in silence and take the abuse because you both know you can't argue back?sad

MK7 is Boon's time for redemption, atonement even. My only advice is for him to actually COME INTO THE FORUMS, listen to what we have to say. We won't be gentle, but we'll tell you like it is and how it needs to be. Come on, you may be co-creator, but who knows what a MK game needs more than the fan base? glasses
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08/08/2005 03:27 PM (UTC)
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The reason he probably dosen't come on the board is because all we do is talk crap about him.If i was him i would not waste my time making games for a bunch of crying babies like you.Now i admit,i was a little disapointed in Deception.But guys remeber,i don't beleive this will be Mortal kombat 7,i beleive they is saving that for the next gen systems,i mean why would the release something that big so early if it was MK7?I beleive it's going to be MK Trilogy 2.It will probably just be deception,but they would probably throw in all the Deadly Alliance Characters,Maybe reach back there and grab a few more classic characters: Fuigin,Rain,Kai,Chamileon ect. So don't be shocked if it's just an upgrade on Deception.I mean MK3 had Ultimate MK3,Ultimate MK3 Had MK Trilogy,MK4 HAD MKgold,MK5 had MK:tournement edition,so again don't be surprised if it's just an upgrade on Deception.And like i said,i'm really going to buy it if it is an Mortal kombat:Trilogy 2!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys really need to watch how you talk about Ed Boon around here,he could just throw in the tile and decide to not make anymore MK games,you guys will be looking stupid then,so post your opinion in a more polite manner.Cause if i was him i'll sure as hell get mad,but you can never please some people.There will always be an asshole in the bunch,but even though us MK fans piss and moan about every thing,we got to be the most loyal fanbase in the world LOL! But if you don't like the way MK is turning out just leave,if MK sucks so badly,why are you here? LEAVE!!! Those of us who are true fans is being mixed in with you fake phony son's of bitches. wink
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08/08/2005 04:19 PM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
The reason he probably dosen't come on the board is because all we do is talk crap about him.If i was him i would not waste my time making games for a bunch of crying babies like you.Now i admit,i was a little disapointed in Deception.But guys remeber,i don't beleive this will be Mortal kombat 7,i beleive they is saving that for the next gen systems,i mean why would the release something that big so early if it was MK7?I beleive it's going to be MK Trilogy 2.It will probably just be deception,but they would probably throw in all the Deadly Alliance Characters,Maybe reach back there and grab a few more classic characters: Fuigin,Rain,Kai,Chamileon ect. So don't be shocked if it's just an upgrade on Deception.I mean MK3 had Ultimate MK3,Ultimate MK3 Had MK Trilogy,MK4 HAD MKgold,MK5 had MK:tournement edition,so again don't be surprised if it's just an upgrade on Deception.And like i said,i'm really going to buy it if it is an Mortal kombat:Trilogy 2!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys really need to watch how you talk about Ed Boon around here,he could just throw in the tile and decide to not make anymore MK games,you guys will be looking stupid then,so post your opinion in a more polite manner.Cause if i was him i'll sure as hell get mad,but you can never please some people.There will always be an asshole in the bunch,but even though us MK fans piss and moan about every thing,we got to be the most loyal fanbase in the world LOL! But if you don't like the way MK is turning out just leave,if MK sucks so badly,why are you here? LEAVE!!! Those of us who are true fans is being mixed in with you fake phony son's of bitches. wink


*doesn't
*disappointed
*remember
*believe
*Fujin
*Chameleon
*tournament
*(throw in the tile? towel perhaps?)
*sons of bitches

I don't know if I've ever seen such a level of sheer ignorance.

.......I won't even justify that as a post by retaliating. Just......no. confused
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08/08/2005 04:41 PM (UTC)
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FIRST of all, as an MK fan I don't have to sit there in silence when people talk about fighting games, because MKD IS better than Tekken.

When it comes to the whole MK3-UMK3 and MK4-MKG and whatever else. UMK3 and MKT was just another reason to get another game out, I admit to that, but MKG was Midway's way of getting the game onto Dreamcast, and MK:TE was Midway's way of getting MK:DA onto Gameboy Advanced I believe it was. I highly doubt we will see a UMKD, especially since they already got the game onto the Gamecube. If you ask me, there is your UMKD.

If they do make this another MK Trilogy, which I doubt it will be, then so be it. Stop complaining. You know you loved MKT when it came out. The stories sucked because they had no good writers. Go back and read the endings to MK2 and then read the endings to MKT. Basically the same thing. Sure, the text is different but the same basic format.

When it comes to quality over quantity, by the time another Mortal Kombat comes out, they will have more room on the consoles and more room on the cds to make it much better, with still a high quantity.We won't be seeing another Mortal Kombat until the next generation consoles, besides Shaolin Monks of course.

As far as Boon and the rest of them making a game off of our ideas, how could it be done? We all have different ideas. Not everyone would be happy. I'm sure he takes requests from certain people, but he wouldn't make a game off of our ideas. That's just a plain old bad idea.

When it all comes down to it, we all can't have what we want. We all didn't love everything about MK or MK2 or MKD or any of them. Boon just tries to do his best to make a game for us to like and play. The only thing I can think of to say right now when it comes to quality of quantity, If you don't like it, don't play it.
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08/08/2005 04:57 PM (UTC)
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MK 7 is going to rock, i guess people are forgetting that they said that there will be two ot three more new elements in MK7 that were never in a MK game, hhhhhhhmmmmmm, wonder what that means?

Anywho, the roster idea sounds sweet, who knows we could be talking about a second MK Trilogy in MK7??

Hey as long as Ermac is in it, thats all i care about!!!!!!!! Rain and Sektor wouldn't hurt either.smile
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08/08/2005 05:01 PM (UTC)
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Grimm Wrote:
FIRST of all, as an MK fan I don't have to sit there in silence when people talk about fighting games, because MKD IS better than Tekken.


If I thought Tekken was better than MK, I wouldn't be on this site, neither would most others. Deception is a great game, no doubt about it. My favorite, too.

But just because it's my favorite game doesn't mean its the best one. Despite the additional modes and revamped characters, it was nothing more than a recycled MK: DA. I'm not about to moan and groan about flaws and what's wrong with Deception, but they need to actually LISTEN to the fan base for once.

They should scrap the old system, they should have testers, they should incorporate innovative elements, like so many other fighting games have. Chess and Puzzle Kombat are additional modes, not innovations.

If you truly were a MK fan, you would appreciate the need for change.
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08/08/2005 05:04 PM (UTC)
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I know that MKD had flaws, as well as every game does. But what change could you want in the fighting system? Sure, change would be good, but what ideas do you have? I am curious to hear what ideas you have. If you have AIM or MSN, tell me your screen name and I would be glad to give you my ideas, as well as listen to yours.
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08/08/2005 05:05 PM (UTC)
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Grimm Wrote:
I know that MKD had flaws, as well as every game does. But what change could you want in the fighting system? Sure, change would be good, but what ideas do you have? I am curious to hear what ideas you have. If you have AIM or MSN, tell me your screen name and I would be glad to give you my ideas, as well as listen to yours.


Sure.
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08/08/2005 05:14 PM (UTC)
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I agree with most of the posters : quality over quantity!

I didn't care much for most of the MKD new characters, even Kobra despite having so many awesome attacks.

I must say that the old MK characters get better with each game...

I do hope that they retain all the good characters, storyline wise.

Also if they retain the old engine, with a huge roster, would that mean that many characters would share the same fighting style?

Characters I would like to see return: Frost, Smoke(Human), Sareena.

I read long ago that MK7 would be on the next gen consoles... though it would be nice as a farewell title for the PS2!
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08/08/2005 05:31 PM (UTC)
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I wouldn't count on the "biggest character roster ever". The info came from Ed Boon months away from release-date and we all know what happened to the Super Unlockables the last time. Whatever comes from Boon, take with a grain of salt.
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i could care less about frame counting and all that. i hate when ppl are all "make it like tekken..or vf". if it was like tekken or vf, then it wouldnt be mk. the most successful fighing game of all time.

id like to see reversals, maybe a few "grapples" that arent fucking wrestling related (powerbombs, ddt, etc), block/parry would be cool cause you could slap the opponents hand/leg away and counter it.

i also wish combos had a little more freedom. auto combos are just fine and all, but there needs to be more ways to come up with custom combos with out using an auto combo first.

i dont want the game to end up like tekken, or vf cause i think those games suck. the characters move funky and the gameplay sucks. i want mk to maintain its style, but make it better.



This is too hypocritical of a statement to ignore.

#1 = Giving MK a great fighting engine will not keep MK from being MK.
IMO the only thing that would do that is if you take out the Fatalities and the story. MK with a great fighting engine = MK with a great fighting engine, not Tekken VF or whatever else.

#2 = Frame advantage and disadvantage is what makes a fighting game work correctly without it, you get MKD which is one of the worst fighting engines out here. The lack of a good frame system is a big cause of that.
Basically, it takes the logic out of the game.

#3 = You are saying that you don't want MK to be like Tekken or VF but then you say you want this stuff in MK.


"reversals"

Nina, King, Paul, Wang have reversals in Tekken 5.
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"grapples"

Craig, King, Nina and Paul have grapples in Tekken 5.
Aoi has grapples in VF4.
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"block/parry"

Feng Wei, Martial Law, Jin, Ling, Baek and Steve have parries and block/parries. in Tekken 5.
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"I also wish combos had a little more freedom"

The Tekken 5 combo system is based on freedom, with many options for most of the combos which is basically like having custom combos to a controlled extent.
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"I don’t want the game to end up like tekken, or vf cause I think those games suck. the characters move funky and the gameplay sucks."

The animation in Tekken 5 is way better, cooler looking and smoother than the animation in MKD.

The game play in MKD is worse than that of DOA3, so it can't be better than Tekken's engine because T5's engine is better than DOA3.

What is it about MK's fighting engine that you think is so much better than Tekken's?

Fatalities don't count.

The only thing I can think of is the multi tired stages and a lot of special moves, but that's not enough to make MK's fight engine better than T5's.

Still though even with T5 having the same stuff you ask for, there can be another game with the same basic ideas and have it work differently. So it's not a copy of Tekken or any other game.

Just like VF4, T5, SC2 and DOA3 have many similar elements and they are still very different from one another.

The same thing can be done with MK.

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As for what Boon commented.

I see the same thing that happened with MKD happening with the next MK.

Like others have already said, quantity over quality = bad fighting game with lots of eye candy. For those of us who understand fighting games, this is terrible news.

The MK fight engine needs a ton more stuff than 2-3 new elements.
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08/08/2005 07:06 PM (UTC)
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I think you guys are already a little too whiny about this. there is atleast a good year before this will be out. You whined and whined about Kabal, Nightwolf, Ermac and others, and boon gave them to you. Alot fo the stuff you(and me) were specifically asking for in MK D was there, dont be so harsh, if you guys think you can do better, gather around take some classes, come up with a fighting game and try to make it happen, and then maybe Boon and Co will get a little bit more credit.

I like you guys and all, but alot of these posts are just wrong.

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08/08/2005 07:47 PM (UTC)
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That's not our job. We don't get payed to make games. We're the fans. So what? We're supposed to shut up and like bullshit just because we can't make it better ourselves? Don't make me laugh. You're all blind and it's funny to read..that I'll give yall.
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08/08/2005 08:08 PM (UTC)
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mortalkombat247 Wrote:
I think you guys are already a little too whiny about this. there is atleast a good year before this will be out. You whined and whined about Kabal, Nightwolf, Ermac and others, and boon gave them to you. Alot fo the stuff you(and me) were specifically asking for in MK D was there, dont be so harsh, if you guys think you can do better, gather around take some classes, come up with a fighting game and try to make it happen, and then maybe Boon and Co will get a little bit more credit.

I like you guys and all, but alot of these posts are just wrong.

Mk247


There's at least a good year? Since when did you start working for Midway? And if you actually bothered to read the article, it says that Boon might be contemplating making it a current-gen game.

A lot of the posts ARE wrong, I won't deny that. But you know the worst thing about it?

They're true, and that's what we as fans dislike most.
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08/08/2005 08:14 PM (UTC)
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First of all you shitheads call your self fans and you're not.There you guys go already mothing your mouths off,we don't even know if this is true.Versatile,if you don't like the way things in MK is going the get the hell out of here.Because i'm not going to be hearing all that shit you're speaking.Keep speaking nagative and the game will suck.Some of you assholes needs to leave.
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08/08/2005 08:16 PM (UTC)
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You know an online Endurance would be great, make it like UMK3 only with human players of coarse.Say 3 0n 3 or something.I hope Boon puts an option like this in MK7.


You know i just thought of something, even though we are all MK fans here for the most part.We might even be different types of MK fans, some of us are only concerned with the fighting engine and nothing but, some the story, some new modes, some all the characters in the MK universe, some for frame rates linking to the engine, some for more or new finishing moves, and some for just a new MK game in general regardless of the results.

Regardless of the results, most of us are going to play it anyway.But my point is if you are Ed Boon you want to please the fans right??But i personally think that it will be impossible to please EVERY fan on here.

Think about it, just put yourselves in Ed's shoes for a moment, you're reading all of these requests by god knows how many fans, even if he pleases a good amount of us, there will still always be some guy or two that is not satisfied or still wanting more.

We all want MK 7 to improve in several ways, but for a group of 50 people or so to please roughly 100 times the amount of people who make the game is just asking too much sometimes.Unfortunetely different things are important to different fans, so to Ed Boon, good luck man.I'm sure you will try your best, just remember Ed Boon, you can't please everyone in the world that loves MK.You created the idea, nobody else.I appreciate the work you have done and do, MK is my favorite game of ALL time and is the BEST fighter ever IMO.

I will love and play MK 7 regardless of the finished product because i love MK to death, but i do want improvements and such, all i'm saying is that some of the things that people are posting about what they want in MK 7 is a tad bit overwhealming.

MK FOREVER BABY!!!!!!!!!


I'll be looking forward to MK 7, and i can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!gringrin
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08/08/2005 09:34 PM (UTC)
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with the comment "biggest roster ever" I think its safe to say that there will be every character. WOO HOO!!! I just hope they DON'T keep to their promise of pushing out an MK game every year. Midway has enough problems with rushing the production and leaving the game half as good as it was supposed to be. now this, the greatest of all MK games, the macdaddy of em all, will be made within 12 months!?? what would Sheeva's bio be? i be resurectered now, squishy go death. I'd be willing to wait as long as it takes, just don't fuck it up!
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