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KaizuDragon
08/08/2005 09:36 PM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
First of all you shitheads call your self fans and you're not.There you guys go already mothing your mouths off,we don't even know if this is true.Versatile,if you don't like the way things in MK is going the get the hell out of here.Because i'm not going to be hearing all that shit you're speaking.Keep speaking nagative and the game will suck.Some of you assholes needs to leave.


*your self, isn't it yourself? and isn't it yourselves?
*mothing your mouths?
*things in MK is? things in MK are?
*negative

"Versatile.......Because i'm not going to be hearing all that shit you're speaking"

Oh, yes.....you are.

hey, looky looky, the boy can cuss too glasses
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I don't want a bigger movelist Boon. I want a reason to use more than
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08/08/2005 09:40 PM (UTC)
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As always, I'm excited over the next MK. Definitely can't wait to see movies and screenshots covering it. I'm still pretty excited over Shaolin Monks because it looks like a fun diversion and a VS. MK game that requires strategy/thinking over simple 50/50s, infinites and glitch abuse.

However, I agree with many on this thread, especially the mindset of quality over quantity. There are already some problems that stem into mind with a bigger cast than MKD that will be problematic for sure. Character balance will surely be a problem. Uniqueness in characters, properly implementing fighting styles, and overall mechanics will have more problems with more characters as well.

I hope the claim of a few new things is also valid this time. Multiple stances were seen back in Tekken 2, breakers were seen back in Killer Instinct 1, stage weapons were seen back in Powerstone 1, Multi-tiered environments were seen back in Dead or Alive 2, Stage Fatalities/Ringouts were seen back in Virtua Fighter 1... I really wanna see what "new" stuff we're getting this time. Hopefully it won't be poorly implemented like the "new" stuff in MKD.

Not to mention all the glitches, infinites and flaws in the game mechanics that devolved MKD's gameplay into 50/50's, infinite and glitch abuse. So I really do hope that testing and revamping of the system becomes a prominent goal.

Although I guess I do share the fears of many other people on this thread. Because Boon could easily add a few new models, add new story, fatalities, recycle fighting styles and call it MK7.
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Versatile
08/08/2005 09:41 PM (UTC)
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I think it's a sin that such a stupid, ignorant fan has the word professor in his name. Anyway, you know nothing, scrub. Dont' make me destroy you 30-0 with NS to show you how much MKD sucks from a technical standpoint. Keep talking that shit and you're gonna have to give me your PS2 tag.

Anyway, the big roster is kind of music to my ears, but considerings how broken MK has been as of late I can only see about 10 of them being truly effective, which would be following the vein of MKDA/MKD. MKDA had about 10 really effective characters. MKD has like 4 not counting infinites.
Then only thing that really needs to improve is the game play.

Everything else is OK IMO.

You have the Fatalities, a lot of characters, multi tired stages, side games, hand and weapon combat....

Then only real thing missing is a really good fighting engine.

Have the combat feel more like it was real / free and have the stuff make sense.

Real as in what would you be able to do in this situation if it was real.

Also, by real I don't mean our reality, it can be like in the movies or comic books, so you can do impossible stuff but it still makes sense.


Right now, the fighting engine is way too restricted and too many things in it just don't make sense.
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KaizuDragon
08/08/2005 09:46 PM (UTC)
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I agree with Versa and HD.

Deadly Alliance was an improvement. Deception was an improvement.

But.......

Do you want a 30-character game with improvement, or a 10-character game with innovation?

I'll take the latter.
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08/08/2005 09:50 PM (UTC)
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bleed Wrote:
Scorpio2 Wrote:
i could care less about frame counting and all that. i hate when ppl are all "make it like tekken..or vf". if it was like tekken or vf, then it wouldnt be mk. the most successful fighing game of all time.

id like to see reversals, maybe a few "grapples" that arent fucking wrestling related (powerbombs, ddt, etc), block/parry would be cool cause you could slap the opponents hand/leg away and counter it.

i also wish combos had a little more freedom. auto combos are just fine and all, but there needs to be more ways to come up with custom combos with out using an auto combo first.

i dont want the game to end up like tekken, or vf cause i think those games suck. the characters move funky and the gameplay sucks. i want mk to maintain its style, but make it better.



This is too hypocritical of a statement to ignore.

#1 = Giving MK a great fighting engine will not keep MK from being MK.
IMO the only thing that would do that is if you take out the Fatalities and the story. MK with a great fighting engine = MK with a great fighting engine, not Tekken VF or whatever else.

#2 = Frame advantage and disadvantage is what makes a fighting game work correctly without it, you get MKD which is one of the worst fighting engines out here. The lack of a good frame system is a big cause of that.
Basically, it takes the logic out of the game.

#3 = You are saying that you don't want MK to be like Tekken or VF but then you say you want this stuff in MK.


"reversals"

Nina, King, Paul, Wang have reversals in Tekken 5.
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"grapples"

Craig, King, Nina and Paul have grapples in Tekken 5.
Aoi has grapples in VF4.
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"block/parry"

Feng Wei, Martial Law, Jin, Ling, Baek and Steve have parries and block/parries. in Tekken 5.
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"I also wish combos had a little more freedom"

The Tekken 5 combo system is based on freedom, with many options for most of the combos which is basically like having custom combos to a controlled extent.
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"I don’t want the game to end up like tekken, or vf cause I think those games suck. the characters move funky and the gameplay sucks."

The animation in Tekken 5 is way better, cooler looking and smoother than the animation in MKD.

The game play in MKD is worse than that of DOA3, so it can't be better than Tekken's engine because T5's engine is better than DOA3.

What is it about MK's fighting engine that you think is so much better than Tekken's?

Fatalities don't count.

The only thing I can think of is the multi tired stages and a lot of special moves, but that's not enough to make MK's fight engine better than T5's.

Still though even with T5 having the same stuff you ask for, there can be another game with the same basic ideas and have it work differently. So it's not a copy of Tekken or any other game.

Just like VF4, T5, SC2 and DOA3 have many similar elements and they are still very different from one another.

The same thing can be done with MK.

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As for what Boon commented.

I see the same thing that happened with MKD happening with the next MK.

Like others have already said, quantity over quality = bad fighting game with lots of eye candy. For those of us who understand fighting games, this is terrible news.

The MK fight engine needs a ton more stuff than 2-3 new elements.


VERY well put... You sir just said and have been saying what I've been saying too. Frame advantages and disadvantages ARE needed... and if the core engine is different, it's NOT going to be VF or Tekken, it will still be MK. I mean, shit... When the engine was changed from the first MK games to the MK:DA engine, it was STILL MK and not anything else. All we need is an unbroken engine and solid gameplay and then we might be in business...

And why hasn't this Ahnka guy been skulled yet for his largely unreadable posts and for his flaming of other users?
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08/08/2005 09:52 PM (UTC)
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DeadMan90 Wrote:
And why hasn't this Ahnka guy been skulled yet for his largely unreadable posts and for his flaming of other users?


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08/08/2005 10:02 PM (UTC)
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I'm sorry for coming off mean,i'll leave this thread.But please watch how you guys talk about boon.
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08/08/2005 11:14 PM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
Keep speaking nagative and the game will suck.Some of you assholes needs to leave.


You really have no idea how supply and demand works, do you?
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08/08/2005 11:19 PM (UTC)
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What does supply and demand have to do with Mortal Kombat? Obviously you don't know what supply and demand means either.

If you mean by it that we demand something, so Boon gives it to us, then that's just a majority opinion.

Supply and demand referrs to crops, products, etc. Like when the Xbox 360 comes out, a lot of people will want one, especially since it is the holidays. People demand it, sellers supply it.
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foahchon
08/09/2005 12:00 AM (UTC)
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Well, that's an eighth-grade description of supply and demand if I've ever heard it. I was referring to the idea that there is a negotiation process taking place, between what the buyers demand, and what the sellers are offering. Ultimately, they have to reach an agreement, otherwise there's no market. No money being passed around.

To make a long post short: If the sellers supply something the buyers don't want, the sellers go out of business. In order to improve the sellability of their product, sellers will often take feedback from the buyers. We see this all the time. Why do you think little phone numbers appear on boxes, asking customers to call with questions, complaints, or comments? Why do you think free samples of new products are given out? Surveys mailed out? Questionnaires handed out? They're gathering feedback and they're honing their products to make them more sellable.

Basically, my point is that complaints from the fans will not MK a worse game, it'll actually make MK a better game. If Midway improves their game, according to what people want to see, they will sell more copies. Both ends win. If they don't, then it's possible that no one will want the game, and, fiscally, Midway will be in big trouble. Again.
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08/09/2005 12:37 AM (UTC)
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Guys, Relax. It's just a video game.
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08/09/2005 12:37 AM (UTC)
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i dont agree with most of you guys, see they worked on quality with this new engine for the past 2 games, sure they could touch it up for next gen but i think its now time to make quality a priority, i mean the main bitching for mk6 wasnt about quality it was about quantity, ppl were complaining that there fav character wasnt in

if i remember mk7 is going to make the jump to next (it was reported here ages ago i think) and i expected a big roster anyways, and this garendamntees that your fav character is gonna be in it your still complaining sleep

and the quality is ok atm but will probably be brushed upon in mk7 so fans dont worry because we are entering the next gen era wink
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08/09/2005 12:37 AM (UTC)
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i dont agree with most of you guys, see they worked on quality with this new engine for the past 2 games, sure they could touch it up for next gen but i think its now time to make quality a priority, i mean the main bitching for mk6 wasnt about quality it was about quantity, ppl were complaining that there fav character wasnt in

if i remember mk7 is going to make the jump to next (it was reported here ages ago i think) and i expected a big roster anyways, and this garendamntees that your fav character is gonna be in it your still complaining sleep

and the quality is ok atm but will probably be brushed upon in mk7 so fans dont worry because we are entering the next gen era wink
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08/09/2005 12:37 AM (UTC)
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i dont agree with most of you guys, see they worked on quality with this new engine for the past 2 games, sure they could touch it up for next gen but i think its now time to make quality a priority, i mean the main bitching for mk6 wasnt about quality it was about quantity, ppl were complaining that there fav character wasnt in

if i remember mk7 is going to make the jump to next (it was reported here ages ago i think) and i expected a big roster anyways, and this garendamntees that your fav character is gonna be in it your still complaining sleep

and the quality is ok atm but will probably be brushed upon in mk7 so fans dont worry because we are entering the next gen era wink
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08/09/2005 01:18 AM (UTC)
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kingjolly Wrote:
Guys, Relax. It's just a video game.


Take your own advice, with all that info in your War of the Realms topic, Lmao (which I like a lot, btw) tongue

Snake_eater, any reason for the triple-post?

If you don't complain, how do they know you don't like it? Or that it needs improvement?

Or to make it more relevant, if you don't scream, how will they know you're in pain? wow
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08/09/2005 01:26 AM (UTC)
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LOL. I guess I'm the biggest hypocrite in this world.tonguetongue
SNAKE_EATER Wrote:
i dont agree with most of you guys, see they worked on quality with this new engine for the past 2 games, sure they could touch it up for next gen but i think its now time to make quality a priority, i mean the main bitching for mk6 wasnt about quality it was about quantity, ppl were complaining that there fav character wasnt in

if i remember mk7 is going to make the jump to next (it was reported here ages ago i think) and i expected a big roster anyways, and this garendamntees that your fav character is gonna be in it your still complaining sleep

and the quality is ok atm but will probably be brushed upon in mk7 so fans dont worry because we are entering the next gen era wink



Ok, but here's the thing.

They did not work on quality for the last 2 games, they worked on quantity. And if they worked on quality,........ they need help.

They probably believe they are making the greatest fighting game ever, but they don't seem to understand what really makes one, so you don't get what a lot of the more serious players are looking for.

You have probably already read about all the things that were done badly in the last game, so I'm not going to make another list.

The people complaining are not the ones that want MKT2. For the most part, they are the ones that don't want or need an MKT2, but a lower more reasonable cast with a good fight engine instead.

IMO the main bitching about MKD was the game play, then the cast. Depends on the type of gamer you ask though.

Depending who you ask the game play is either Great, OK or terrible.

IMO...

Casual gamers think it's great, don't change it.
They don't understand what makes a good fighting game "work."
These players pay most of the attention to the story, cast, fatalities....

Advanced players think it's OK, could use some changes.
Have a general knowledge and know what they like and don't like, but don't completely understand why they like it. It's something, I just can't put my finger on it.

Expert players think it's very bad, change and or fix pretty much everything.
They have a good or excellent understanding of fighting game mechanics and can spot flaws instantly. Like if you had a big red stain on a white shirt.
When they see that the next MK's engine is only going to get "brushed up", they are not happy because they know it needs a lot more than a simple brush up.


To please everybody, casual, advance and experts, all they need to do is
Have everything they have now + a good play engine.

It's simple really.

Not as easy to do as it sounds though.
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08/09/2005 02:01 AM (UTC)
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I bet if Ed Boon came on here right now and told us that every one on here must tell what they would like to see in the next game whether it be 40 Characters,more fatalites,more focus on story ect.. but whatever it is we all must agree on it,now you know there will be chaos if that happen.What i'm saying is we are all confusing,some of us want more characters,some want more focus on story,some might want somethings in the fighting engine fixed,some want moves to be fixed,some people just don't want anything at all,but they just get a crack out of making fun of the MK team and anybody who stands up for them.furious
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08/09/2005 02:01 AM (UTC)
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true, bleed
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08/09/2005 02:12 AM (UTC)
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Now if this is actually MK7 we're talking about then i must agree with the quialty over quianty speech,but if it's just an MK Trilogy 2 or a quick Upgrade on Deception then bring on the HUGE ROASTER OF CHARACTERS!!!!!grin
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08/09/2005 02:18 AM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
Now if this is actually MK7 we're talking about then i must agree with the quialty over quianty speech,but if it's just an MK Trilogy 2 or a quick Upgrade on Deception then bring on the HUGE ROASTER OF CHARACTERS!!!!!grin


*quialty over quianty?
*HUGE ROASTER OF CHARACTERS?

you haven't made a single post with a shred of grammar or intelligence.

how old are you? confused
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08/09/2005 02:28 AM (UTC)
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First of all sweetie,I'm 14 years old.I've been playing mortal kombat ever since it came out in 92.I was a little 2 year old playing it,i knew all the characters at 2 years old!!! I'm an expert on Mortal Kombat,I love the television show Mortal Kombat:Conquest.I have been reading posts here ever since Jan '04. I love to use Frost when playing Deception(i got an action replay whitch alows me to play with 12 extra characters!!) Any other questions? BTW,If you are so smart and wise you would not put anybody elses intelgence down.
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08/09/2005 03:00 AM (UTC)
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Playing Mortal Kombat since you were 2? I'm sorry but, stop trying to make yourself look cool.
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08/09/2005 03:19 AM (UTC)
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I have,it's not a lie.BTW,who are you guys? Why would i try to look cool for a bounch of babies like you guys for?
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