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Zmoke
04/05/2014 11:13 PM (UTC)
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Theories aside, Rain indeed is a prince unless/till the canon will prove otherwise.
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hankypanky1
04/06/2014 11:00 AM (UTC)
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wdm6789 Wrote:

I would like to see some Rain/Kitana interaction. Has there been any in any of the games? Also, don't all Edenians have a little bit of God genes in their DNA? I would not mind a romance between Rain and Kitana either, but they should have started that story way back in MK trilogy or like Deception, I feel like now it's too late. Unless we are still doing the back to the old school that was the plot of MK 2011. Maybe they can work in some sort of Rain/Kitana story line, even if it's not a romance.


U and me have similar ideas in what we want to see in MK. The difference is that when I say it everybody acts like they are going to war against me. I want to see a love triangle in MK. All the best love films, new and old have a love triangle, Romeo and Juliet, Titanic, Twilight and The Hunger Games. The characters could be Rain/Liu Kang/Kitana or Johnny Cage/Sonya/Mileena. It doesn't necessarily have to be a love triangle, it can be something like Bonnie and Clyde.
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DG1OA
04/06/2014 02:56 PM (UTC)
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I like how the last game portrayed Rain as a flip-flopper. So determined to get what he wants, that he doesn't take no for an answer, not even from Shao Kahn. That aspect of the character should factor in his character development, and he should frequently switch back and forth between alignments. He should have an tense relationship with everyone, even other villains, and be such an effective fighter that despite his reprehensible nature, some of the heroes do view him as a great warrior to have on their side.

His upside-down fatality should return, though it doesn't have to be his again. Could be Havik's instead. But I want it back.
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Spider804
04/06/2014 04:26 PM (UTC)
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Mortal Kombat has gotten by just fine without a love triangle, no need to demolish what isn't broken.
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Icebaby
04/06/2014 07:47 PM (UTC)
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What love triangle? Kitana and Liu aren't even a couple. Just a few parts of slight flirting doesn't mean they're automatically boyfriend and girlfriend.

If it's due to the second movie, fuck that and the whole theory of Rain being a prince. tongue
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RazorsEdge701
04/06/2014 08:01 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Kitana and Liu aren't even a couple.


Well...they were in the old timeline, I mean you don't propose marriage to a stranger.

But yeah, they never hooked up in 9 on account of her dying. With her being dead I think it's a little too late to do anything between her and Rain or any kind of triangle in this iteration of the MK universe. If they really wanted to reference the Defenders of the Realm episode, they should have had Rain be an actual character in 9's Story Mode instead of saving him for DLC, and established a shared past between them in cutscenes. The time when that would have been appropriate to the plot has probably passed now though.

Maybe next time they reboot though. Y'know, give it 10 or 20 years...
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Icebaby
04/06/2014 08:06 PM (UTC)
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I'm just sticking to the "new" timeline. I'm not referring to the events before Armageddon since obviously we"re going to be sticking around in this new timeline. So as of right now, no, they're not. If Mortal Kombat HAS to have some romance in it, let it be between other characters and not Kitana and Liu. Let's see something different for once eh?
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RazorsEdge701
04/06/2014 08:20 PM (UTC)
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I guess what I would ask is what possible "new and different" pairings even ARE there?

Every character who WOULD hook up was already hinted at in the old timeline or already happened in an adaptation, that's why I expect to see those repeated. Most of the characters in the series are not the kinds of guys to show interest in romance. What are the options even, other than what's already been done?
Okay...I can think of ONE potential pairing that we didn't see before MK9: Ermac and Sindel. But I wouldn't want that because I don't want "he has Jerrod in him" to turn into "he IS Jerrod". Ermac's whole appeal is that there's a million personalities in there and he calls himself "we", any one taking complete control would kind of destroy the character's unique gimmick and make him just like everybody else.

Besides, it's too late for Liu x Kitana to not happen. Yes, they didn't actually hook up, but the whole reason he turned on Raiden was because she died, so when he comes back, he's still going to have those feelings.
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Icebaby
04/06/2014 09:19 PM (UTC)
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True that they could start something if the two were to come back, but I don't know really how to answer that question. Something to toss up in the air.

But it just wouldn't make sense at all to see a "love triangle" when there wasn't anything that showed a relationship that started in 2011 when there wasn't. Again, something that people thought existed isn't existing in this new timeline. That's what some people have to come to understand, we're not reliving the same story despite that there are still some similarities between the old and the new. Liu and Kitana's relationship never evolved from this friendship that they shared despite that it did evolved in the old timeline. They may seem like a couple still to many people, but technically they aren't according to this game.

I don't know who would be the next pair to start something fresh unless we want to see Sonya and Cage to become something. But to be honest, I just want them to remain good friends, you know? At least that's how I feel about the two of them.
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RazorsEdge701
04/06/2014 10:19 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
I don't know who would be the next pair to start something fresh unless we want to see Sonya and Cage to become something. But to be honest, I just want them to remain good friends, you know? At least that's how I feel about the two of them.


I wouldn't be opposed to that relationship going somewhere for once. I like the chemistry they have together.

It really depends on how the tragic ending of MK9 affects their personalities, I think. Will Johnny get more serious now that all the better fighters are dead and he has to step up, or will they try to keep him the light, jokey sidekick guy since that's what the fans like about him? Will losing her friends make Sonya try to find comfort in the only one left, or will it cause her to close herself off and protect her heart even more?

Either would be in-character for them, I think.
That said, I don't think MK has some kind of arbitrary "only one relationship allowed" limit. I'd like to see Baraka x Mileena actually be established on-screen, and it's no secret I think Kuai Liang x Sareena was going somewhere in MKDA and Armageddon and would like to see it brought back/be more fleshed out next time she shows up. Hell, if you want a love triangle, that's the most logical one - the Sub brothers are already rivals, just throw her in the middle, she and Bi-Han were almost a thing in Mythologies but now that he's Noob, he's evil, so she wouldn't be into him...but maybe he's into her (or more likely, sees her as a pawn he can manipulate and would be pissed at his bro "stealing" something else from him like when he got all "you don't deserve to wear those colors")?
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Chimera
04/07/2014 12:22 PM (UTC)
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Never went to this thread. And I'm not really surprised with hanky. But the debate with Rain? That was shocking. And it saddens me.

hankypanky1 Wrote:
No I'm talking about physics. With the picture razors edge posted, I see why nrs decided not to give him the watery beast look, because it looks stupid.

Water is a liquid which is why Rains move don't have his victim like how subzero hits his victims. Rain traps his opponents in a water bubble. It's physics.


Did you see one of Rain's fatalities in the latest MK? He broke a guy's legs with the water bubble! Followed by a high pressure stream coming out of his fingers to decapitate. This is real science which is used in metal cutting. Like this

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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Gods are not royalty and Rain's ACTUAL JOB is assassin, he sneaks around and kills people for Shao Kahn, which is why he dresses in black with a mask like a ninja.


So what if he is assassin. There are white ninjas too. Famous ones too like shinobi. I think ninjas can be differentiated further by having some of ninjas having white in their costume. So ermac, subzero, and smoke would have white in their costume. So ermac looks like the England flag and Denmark flag and subzero looks like Scotland flag. Smokes grey would go with white. Grey with white works too. I see guys wearing grey blazers and white T-shirt or shirt to the klub, (I bought this too for klub wear). Grey with black works too. I see people wear black jacket with grey baggy tracksuits to gym. And then u can have reptile with white and green like Saudi Arabian flag and Pakistani flag. The smartest ninja in real life didn't wear black, they were navy blue.

The reason why subzero and scorpion should work as a team is because they both have Sweden's flag colour, yellow and blue. Sweden is a neutral country in both of previous world wars. So if subzero and scorpion became allies, they should have blue and yellow. Rain should be with silver. Because he is best looking ninja. And so if he has supermodel looks. He should dress like a superstar model. Purple and silver baby.
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Gods are not royalty and Rain's ACTUAL JOB is assassin, he sneaks around and kills people for Shao Kahn, which is why he dresses in black with a mask like a ninja.


So what if he is assassin. There are white ninjas too. Famous ones too like shinobi. I think ninjas can be differentiated further by having some of ninjas having white in their costume. So ermac, subzero, and smoke would have white in their costume. So ermac looks like the England flag and Denmark flag and subzero looks like Scotland flag. Smokes grey would go with white. Grey with white works too. I see guys wearing grey blazers and white T-shirt or shirt to the klub, (I bought this too for klub wear). Grey with black works too. I see people wear black jacket with grey baggy tracksuits to gym. And then u can have reptile with white and green like Saudi Arabian flag and Pakistani flag. The smartest ninja in real life didn't wear black, they were navy blue.

The reason why subzero and scorpion should work as a team is because they both have Sweden's flag colour, yellow and blue. Sweden is a neutral country in both of previous world wars. So if subzero and scorpion became allies, they should have blue and yellow. Rain should be with silver. Because he is best looking ninja. And so if he has supermodel looks. He should dress like a superstar model. Purple and silver baby.


Oh my Raiden. Why the hell would Scorpion (Japanese) and Sub-zero (Chinese) want to represent Sweden? Hell why would beings from another realm (Outworld) represent Earthrealm countries? And why should Rain be a superstar model when he's a above that (Prince)?

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Haha I'm not asking for a makeover, I'm asking for neat colour changes. Water taps are silver. So rain should be silver too because he has water powers. So shouldn't his costume be silver like running taps? I have tried to give rain a story which involves a love triangle. This can be mingled with him being a traitor. Best romance films involved love triangles such as titanic, Romeo and Juliet. So mk would benefit with a love triangle although mortal combat isn't about love, that's where the traitor of edenia part comes into play.


Water taps are silver so Rain should have silver.
Souls are really invisible so Ermac should have invisible.
Scorpions are mostly black but some can also glow in the dark so Scorpion should wear a glow-in-the-dark black costume to really stand out.
Yellow snow is yellow and white and dangerous so Sub-zero should be yellow/white.
Tremor is should be dark brown because that is the color of shit.

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I think Chameleon should not exist as a separate entity, but I think he should be fused with Rain. So then we get like a Neon Rain. Neon Rain would be cooler than Rain because since Rain is half-god, he should be able to change the colour of Rain as he pleases like Chameleon. Maybe Rain's name should be changed to Reon. Reon means King Descendant Of The King and since Rain is royalty, wink wink. Everything to do with Chameleon should be fused with Rain except being from planet Zettera or whatever (same origin as Khamelen).


Well Chameleon's backstory was never fleshed out other than being Kahn's greatest warrior and being around since the first game. But Neon Rain? Reon? Rain's whole schtick is "Purple Rain". He is meant to stay purple.

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wdm6789 Wrote:

I would like to see some Rain/Kitana interaction. Has there been any in any of the games? Also, don't all Edenians have a little bit of God genes in their DNA? I would not mind a romance between Rain and Kitana either, but they should have started that story way back in MK trilogy or like Deception, I feel like now it's too late. Unless we are still doing the back to the old school that was the plot of MK 2011. Maybe they can work in some sort of Rain/Kitana story line, even if it's not a romance.


U and me have similar ideas in what we want to see in MK. The difference is that when I say it everybody acts like they are going to war against me. I want to see a love triangle in MK. All the best love films, new and old have a love triangle, Romeo and Juliet, Titanic, Twilight and The Hunger Games. The characters could be Rain/Liu Kang/Kitana or Johnny Cage/Sonya/Mileena. It doesn't necessarily have to be a love triangle, it can be something like Bonnie and Clyde.


The problem with everyone against you is because of the fact you started out with rather un-Mortal Kombat ideas... to be put in Mortal Kombat. Hell, one of your first wish list ideas is to remove Mortal Kombat's signature gimmick: the FATALITIES. Also no one here cares about your fashion sense because this is a brutal fighting game that now has clothing damage.

I do agree romance can happen in this game of death. It can help bring motivations or whatnot. Yeah maybe "Prince" Rain can have some woman fall for him but he was already established as a jerk who wants power. So he may not love others back when he can just have a harem when he seizes such power.
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wdm6789
04/07/2014 01:22 PM (UTC)
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While I don't want this series to get too soapy, I think we need something other than you know war and one realm taking over another or one boss dude trying to become all powerful and whatnot.

Like Razor said, if they were going to do something with Kitana and Rain, he would have been in the game and not DLC. I still would like to get some backstory with Rain/Kitana and Jade, wasn't Rain one of Shao Khans minions his whole life too? I apologize I do not remember his bio and ending from 2011. No need for a love triangle though, this isn't a teen drama.

I looked back through the bios and endings and in Rain's trilogy ending Kitana told him about Edenia and everything. Maybe in the new timeline, if Rain and Kitana are both present in the new game, they can work that in somehow.

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Chimera
04/07/2014 01:49 PM (UTC)
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wdm6789 Wrote:

While I don't want this series to get too soapy, I think we need something other than you know war and one realm taking over another or one boss dude trying to become all powerful and whatnot.

Like Razor said, if they were going to do something with Kitana and Rain, he would have been in the game and not DLC. I still would like to get some backstory with Rain/Kitana and Jade, wasn't Rain one of Shao Khans minions his whole life too? I apologize I do not remember his bio and ending from 2011. No need for a love triangle though, this isn't a teen drama.

I looked back through the bios and endings and in Rain's trilogy ending Kitana told him about Edenia and everything. Maybe in the new timeline, if Rain and Kitana are both present in the new game, they can work that I'm somehow.



In the latest MK, Rain was first against Kahn. But he wanted control of part of the resistance. The leader said no so Rain turned on them. What didn't happen yet was Rain finding out about his real father Argus, an Edenian god.

And at the moment, Kitana is dead serving Quan Chi while Rain is (probably) in Outworld doing general stuff.
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wdm6789
04/07/2014 02:59 PM (UTC)
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Chimera Wrote:
wdm6789 Wrote:

While I don't want this series to get too soapy, I think we need something other than you know war and one realm taking over another or one boss dude trying to become all powerful and whatnot.

Like Razor said, if they were going to do something with Kitana and Rain, he would have been in the game and not DLC. I still would like to get some backstory with Rain/Kitana and Jade, wasn't Rain one of Shao Khans minions his whole life too? I apologize I do not remember his bio and ending from 2011. No need for a love triangle though, this isn't a teen drama.

I looked back through the bios and endings and in Rain's trilogy ending Kitana told him about Edenia and everything. Maybe in the new timeline, if Rain and Kitana are both present in the new game, they can work that I'm somehow.



In the latest MK, Rain was first against Kahn. But he wanted control of part of the resistance. The leader said no so Rain turned on them. What didn't happen yet was Rain finding out about his real father Argus, an Edenian god.

And at the moment, Kitana is dead serving Quan Chi while Rain is (probably) in Outworld doing general stuff.



I watched Rain's bio and ending from 2011.
In his ending Raiden tells Rain about argus being his father. With this knowledge Rain becomes power hungry and used Shao Kahns army to take over the realms.

Assuming Rain's ending is not cannon, but his bio is cannon, Rain turned on the Edenian resistance to fight for Shao Kahn because Shao kahn was going to give him power over his army and the resistance would not. So now he's just being general, like you said.

So let's use part of Rain's ending for his story, Rain is successful in getting rid of the resistance for Kahn but Kahn doesn't keep his word and doesn't give rain the army. So rain is trying to find Kitana Jade and Sindel to help him defeat Kahn. Rain battles with quan chi to try and get back Kitana and co. Could something like this have potential? It's not very thought out, I know, because I'm on break at work.

Another question I would like to throw out there, we know Kitana and Jade were babies with Kahn took over Edenia, how old was Rain? I do like the arrogance and power hungry aspects of Rain's character, we should those. Maybe Rain takes over whatever realm or something and wants a queen and wants Kitana as his bride since she's a princess and a fellow Edenian, Kitana reluctantly oblidges, they end up falling in love but it's all tumultuous because Rain is all mean and macho and power hungry and Kitana is trying to make him better, pretty cliche, and kinda goes against what I said earlier about things not getting too soapy, but some kind of variation on that would be cool. Like khan forced Sindel into marriage, but she didn't love him so she killed herself, what if Kitana and Rain actually do fall in love but rain turns into a big evil warlord like Kahn and Kitana is against that but still loves him, I'm kinda drawing inspiration from Anakin and Padme from Star Wars.
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RazorsEdge701
04/07/2014 07:08 PM (UTC)
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wdm6789 Wrote:
Another question I would like to throw out there, we know Kitana and Jade were babies with Kahn took over Edenia, how old was Rain?


In the old timeline, he was a child at the time too.

His bio in Trilogy said he was smuggled out of Edenia for safekeeping while his parents (adoptive parents I guess, given the whole Argus thing) died during Kahn's invasion, and moved back to Outworld as an adult. And in his ending, Kitana tells him Kahn is the one who killed said parents, which means he must've been too young to remember when it happened.
The new one doesn't specify any of that, and he probably knows a lot more about what happened to Edenia this time around since he was an active member of the resistance...but I think we can assume he's the same guy in the age category.
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I'm kinda drawing inspiration from Anakin and Padme from Star Wars.

But...but that was like literally the worst written love story in the entire history of fiction.
You know, most people would recoil in horror when a dude admits to slaughtering an entire village, women and children included, regardless of the fact that they killed his mom.
Not Padme, no, she falls in love with the guy AFTER hearing that...Why? Um...because he hates sand, but she's not like sand at all? I guess that's supposed to sound romantic, right?
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04/07/2014 07:31 PM (UTC)
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Let's not beat around the bush. As has been said Rain and Kitana is missed opportunity. So why not Rain and Skarlet? Blood is 55% Plasma, and plasma is about 90-92% water, which makes blood about 50% water. So in one liter of blood there is about half a liter of water.
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04/07/2014 07:38 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
wdm6789 Wrote:
Another question I would like to throw out there, we know Kitana and Jade were babies with Kahn took over Edenia, how old was Rain?


In the old timeline, he was a child at the time too.

His bio in Trilogy said he was smuggled out of Edenia for safekeeping while his parents (adoptive parents I guess, given the whole Argus thing) died during Kahn's invasion, and moved back to Outworld as an adult. And in his ending, Kitana tells him Kahn is the one who killed said parents, which means he must've been too young to remember when it happened.

The new one doesn't specify any of that, and he probably knows a lot more about what happened to Edenia this time around since he was an active member of the resistance...but I think we can assume he's the same guy in the age category.

wdm6789 Wrote:
I'm kinda drawing inspiration from Anakin and Padme from Star Wars.


But...but that was like literally the worst written love story in the entire history of fiction.

You know, most people would recoil in horror when a dude admits to slaughtering an entire village, women and children included, regardless of the fact that they killed his mom.

Not Padme, no, she falls in love with the guy AFTER hearing that...Why? Um...because he hates sand, but she's not like sand at all? I guess that's supposed to sound romantic, right?


It doesn't need to be exactly like Anakin and Padme, down to every detail, I just liked the, they fall in love, they're in love, but over time Anakin starts to turn to the dark side. They could have a similar thing with Rain and Kitana, according to MK 2011, Rain is a power hungry guy. Him and Kitana go through whatever storyline that makes them fall in love and rule Edenia together, then Rain's power craving kicks in and he starts just invading other realms and taking them over, enslaving people, killing people and whatnot, Kitana is against this and wants to leave him but they still love each other...yada yada... drama drama... Someone ends up dead or they lose everything or something.

hankypanky1 Wrote:
Let's not beat around the bush. As has been said Rain and Kitana is missed opportunity. So why not Rain and Skarlet? Blood is 55% Plasma, and plasma is about 90-92% water, which makes blood about 50% water. So in one liter of blood there is about half a liter of water.
Now I think you're just pulling stuff out of your ass. Skarlet doesn't really seem like the love story type.
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RazorsEdge701
04/08/2014 02:07 AM (UTC)
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Skarlet seems like a robot, mentally-speaking I mean. No real free will or thought processes, just follows orders.

But maybe that's just 'cause as DLC she doesn't talk and has very little story, and she'll be given more of a personality in the sequels.
Anyway, as far as Rain/Kitana goes...she would know all of Kahn's generals and their histories, so she KNOWS he betrayed the Edenian resistance to join Kahn. That's gonna kinda prevent them from getting past first impressions to the romance stage I think. A relationship between them would only work if it was an old fling they had BEFORE she met Liu Kang and found out Kahn's not her real dad and all that.
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Chimera
04/08/2014 04:10 AM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
Let's not beat around the bush. As has been said Rain and Kitana is missed opportunity. So why not Rain and Skarlet? Blood is 55% Plasma, and plasma is about 90-92% water, which makes blood about 50% water. So in one liter of blood there is about half a liter of water.



Now I think you're just pulling stuff out of your ass. Skarlet doesn't really seem like the love story type.



In Skarlet's ending, she seems pretty loyal to Shao Kahn. Even with Kahn dead by her hands, she was going to wait for his rebirth. So she loves no one else but the emperor. Also, yeah pulling stuff outta your ass.
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04/08/2014 12:04 PM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
Let's not beat around the bush. As has been said Rain and Kitana is missed opportunity. So why not Rain and Skarlet? Blood is 55% Plasma, and plasma is about 90-92% water, which makes blood about 50% water. So in one liter of blood there is about half a liter of water.


What?
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wdm6789
04/09/2014 02:04 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Skarlet seems like a robot, mentally-speaking I mean. No real free will or thought processes, just follows orders.

But maybe that's just 'cause as DLC she doesn't talk and has very little story, and she'll be given more of a personality in the sequels.

Anyway, as far as Rain/Kitana goes...she would know all of Kahn's generals and their histories, so she KNOWS he betrayed the Edenian resistance to join Kahn. That's gonna kinda prevent them from getting past first impressions to the romance stage I think. A relationship between them would only work if it was an old fling they had BEFORE she met Liu Kang and found out Kahn's not her real dad and all that.


I agree, the Rain/Kitana thing should have started a long time ago, if it were to ever happen. It probably should have happened back in MK trilogy. They could have made that part of his storyline. Now, it wouldn't really work.

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Icebaby
04/09/2014 02:43 AM (UTC)
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Can I ask a dumb question here and ask as to why do a lot of people want some kind of a romance happen in Mortal Kombat? Like, if it happens, would anything change majorly to where it's going to affect anything? Or is it just to see more chemistry amongst certain characters?

I mean, I get that the chemistry in 2011's story mode was awkward at some times. But, I'm just curious as to why this seems crucial to have because it's not just one person asking it. This question has been toyed around a lot and I'm just curious as to why this seems really important to add.
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RazorsEdge701
04/09/2014 03:20 AM (UTC)
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Romance is part of human behavior, showing the full range of emotions and establishing relationships makes characters three-dimensional.
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Icebaby
04/09/2014 03:44 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Romance is part of human behavior, showing the full range of emotions and establishing relationships makes characters three-dimensional.


Well duh, it's not hard to know that in real life. But within this game, is it that important to have?

I honestly don't mind the light flirting, in fact, I thought the scene between Liu and Kitana fighting each other was actually one of the most interesting scenes from that game. It showed that Liu thinks this girl is kinda cute, Kitana is showing her loyalty for her "father" but isn't going for the kill. (Even though you pretty much prevent that anyways) I like to see more stuff like that where they build up to everything rather than having just two characters that just HAVE to fall in love because the fans want it.

Maybe it's just me thinking that things might get rushed, or that it'll be portrayed as a Disney relationship.
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RazorsEdge701
04/09/2014 03:53 AM (UTC)
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Flirtation is the creation of a subplot and an actual hookup is the ultimate climax of that plot. People don't like stories that stand still and never actually progress or finish.

Liu and Kitana or Sonya and Johnny just flirting forever and never actually doing anything about their feelings would be exactly the same thing as Scorpion talking about revenge in every game but never actually getting it for 20 years.
Your fears that it would be written poorly are certainly valid, NRS's writers aren't the greatest...but I just want them to stop beating around the bush with some of the layers these characters are supposed to have, stop just hinting at or teasing interactions or having things be kept offscreen between games, and actually SHOW all the different ways the characters interact with each other.
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