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Zmoke
04/03/2014 01:16 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Your opinion is irrelevant, the definition of "canon" is what it is. And that definition covers only what is written, what is fact. To quote Wikipedia, "canon is the material accepted as "official" in a fictional universe."
You can speculate about Johnny Cage's past loves all you like, but the only one that's a canon fact is the ex-wife listed in his MK1 bio, named Cindy Ford.
Similarly, you can speculate about Rain's parentage, but that doesn't make your speculation valid information about the games. The games don't say Sindel is his mom, therefore, she is currently not. Therefore, he is not an Edenian Prince, he is a man who goes around misusing the word "prince" to make himself sound more important than he really is.
That's just how it works. Perhaps you simply need to learn the difference between a fact and an opinion.

As a matter of fact it is apparently you who needs to learn the difference between an opinion and facts. I didn't state that it is canon – I'm starting to feel that you do these strawman arguments for the sake of your personal 'benefit' sometimes. My point is that it can be canon, currently we don't know else about his royalty. You however state that it is untrue for a fact, even though we don't have that knowledge on the missing Iink thus far.

So I disagreed on that plausible things cannot be canon. Like Liu Kang was given birth by his mother did probably happen, even though it hasn't been directly told. Of course we cannot define whether a thing like Rain's shared blood with Sindel is canon or not but you can't rule that option out, for stating that it is non-canon is as wrong as stating that it truly is canon. Which I didn't do (stating it as a fact) since we don't know which way it is.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Low on her part. How do you actually know that? That's the thing; you don't. That's why it is foolish and condescending to shoot down the possibilities and make your own conclusions that contradict the official information.

It's foolish of me to just stick with factual evidence rather than something that a fan made up, or to think about that kind of stuff happened to the said character alone? Oh, okay, I didn't think that's how it works.

Do that, but disclaiming that Rain is a prince (against the official info) based on the fact that his mother is unknown, is the foolish part. ~Z

Zmoke Wrote:
According to which my opinion aligns, yours does not.

Very little will I side with Razor, but I'm siding with him on this one. You can't just sit here and say that a character has done this, this, and this when there is absolutely nothing that backs your case up.
Oh, it's just an opinion that you think could come true? No, I'm sorry, but that is foolish. Do we, the fans, need to know every little detail about a character? Who they shared their first kiss with? How many people they've done things with? No, that's the kind of detail that has no significance to care about, nor is it important to even wonder why.
Take that kind of stuff to the fan submissions then if you really want to show these characters have an actual life.

You are twisting my words. The potential relationship between Rain and Sindel is not a trivial thing and I never stated that it necessarily is that way, because we don't know yet. It would be foolish to conclude it at this point, right? Now RE701 is doing that thing by stating it as a fact that Rain is not a real prince. However, he himself even confirmed the possibility of my theory and with that said he contradicted himself by ruling the royalty out. I didn't provide much of an opinion, where was that? I wouldn't recommend siding with him, especially if you are only repeating similar arguments.
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Icebaby
04/03/2014 01:36 AM (UTC)
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Zmoke Wrote:
You however state that it is non-canon for a fact, although we don't have that knowledge on Rain's mother thus far.


Because we clearly don't know who she is and suggesting that it could be Sindel based on her royalty alone doesn't make it a fact, or even a suggestion. We know who Sindel is, and to say she randomly goes around Edenia fucking any kind of man suddenly is not even a character trait of hers. Argus cheated on Delia, with who we don't know. Saying that it could be Sindel is just an opinion, but don't crap on those who disagree and say it's foolish not to think that, because I think it's foolish to think it is Sindel when we know who Sindel is.

It's like how a lot of people think that mysterious woman in Jade's ending is Delia, Khameleon, or Li Mei based on random evidence they made up and because it's their opinion. The problem is, every time they suggest it, there's nothing to back their case up. You can think it, but if there's nothing that shows, "yeah, this really did happen," then it's nothing but fan-made material that's not really worth arguing about. Which I do find this random argument to be really flipping silly.

Zmoke Wrote:
Which I didn't do (stating it as a fact) since we don't know which way it is.


Then don't tell people it's foolish not to think about a "what if" situation if we don't know anything. It's silly to argue something like this because neither side can back anything up and it's just going on opinions. It really is silly.
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Spider804
04/03/2014 01:38 AM (UTC)
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Personally, I just don't see a woman who kills herself and leaves her daughter all alone to be raised by the man who killed her former husband (Or had him killed, I don't remember which) as the cheating type. A bad mother maybe, but not a whore.
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RazorsEdge701
04/03/2014 01:41 AM (UTC)
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Filling in a blank where we have no information is one thing.

Contradicting the information we currently do have is another.

"Sindel is Rain's mom" falls into the second category.

Sindel's faithfulness to Jerrod is an actual canon part of her character, so saying she cheated on him with Argus would be a retcon.
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Zmoke
04/03/2014 02:04 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
You however state that it is non-canon for a fact, although we don't have that knowledge on Rain's mother thus far.

Because we clearly don't know who she is and suggesting that it could be Sindel based on her royalty alone doesn't make it a fact, or even a suggestion.

That sentence doesn't make sense. It is a suggestion for I suggest in it.

Icebaby Wrote:
We know who Sindel is, and to say she randomly goes around Edenia fucking any kind of man suddenly is not even a character trait of hers. Argus cheated on Delia, with who we don't know. Saying that it could be Sindel is just an opinion, but don't crap on those who disagree and say it's foolish not to think that, because I think it's foolish to think it is Sindel when we know who Sindel is.

It is by no means any man but the Protector God of Edenia. This is not an opinion nor a fact; it is a suggestion/theory about Prince Rain's legitimacy.

Icebaby Wrote:
It's like how a lot of people think that mysterious woman in Jade's ending is Delia, Khameleon, or Li Mei based on random evidence they made up and because it's their opinion. The problem is, every time they suggest it, there's nothing to back their case up. You can think it, but if there's nothing that shows, "yeah, this really did happen," then it's nothing but fan-made material that's not really worth arguing about. Which I do find this random argument to be really flipping silly.

It isn't an opinion nor an argument but a theory, as RE701 also indicated.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Which I didn't do (stating it as a fact) since we don't know which way it is.

Then don't tell people it's foolish not to think about a "what if" situation if we don't know anything. It's silly to argue something like this because neither side can back anything up and it's just going on opinions. It really is silly.

I don't intend that it is foolish not to embrace my theory, but it is foolish to say that it can't be true. Ruling his alleged royalty out as a 'fact' is foolish.

Spider804 Wrote:
Personally, I just don't see a woman who kills herself and leaves her daughter all alone to be raised by the man who killed her former husband (Or had him killed, I don't remember which) as the cheating type. A bad mother maybe, but not a whore.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Filling in a blank where we have no information is one thing.
Contradicting the information we currently do have is another.
"Sindel is Rain's mom" falls into the second category.
Sindel's faithfulness to Jerrod is an actual canon part of her character, so saying she cheated on him with Argus would be a retcon.

Does one time make a whore? I get her loyalty and the slip would require a real sub-story to get to the intercourse but it is not out of the question. You should know womens' desire for powerful men, like Barack, better. The games also say he is a prince, so saying otherwise is contradictory.
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Icebaby
04/03/2014 02:34 AM (UTC)
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Why isn't your posts spaced out? Everything again, so damn clustered.

Zmoke Wrote:
That sentence doesn't make sense. It is a suggestion for I suggest in it.


I said that because we know a lot of Sindel. Why would she randomly sleep with other men? What would be the purpose of suggesting some random act for this character when she's been in various games that has already given us a lot of information about who she is. Why start saying that she is capable of being this "whore" that we never knew about? Then that means there's more to this character, thus putting more effort into changing her, AGAIN, to make her some banshee whore. No, I can't accept this even being a suggestion, mainly because it makes no sense after everything we've already seen with this character.


Again, I point out about the mysterious woman in Jade's ending and having various people claim that she's one of three characters who we already know. People say she's Li Mei, we KNOW who Li Mei is. Why would she randomly get these mysterious powers out of the blue, have the ability to change skin color, and have been around for centuries who can see into the future, when we've know that she's been a slave and a fighter?


Zmoke Wrote:
I don't intend that it is foolish not to embrace my theory, but it is foolish to say that it can't be true. Ruling his alleged royalty out as a 'fact' is foolish


As of 2011, it doesn't even mention anything about him being a prince, just this:

"A refugee orphaned by Shao Kahn's conquest, Rain grew up under the protection of the Edenian Resistance. An exceptional fighter, he soon rose through their ranks. As his reputation grew, so did his arrogance. When Rain demanded leadership of the Resistance forces, he was refused. Infuriated, he turned against his rebel comrades and betrayed them to their sworn enemy. In payment for this treason, Rain was promised his own army by the emperor Shao Kahn. Power would be his - no matter the cost... "

Doesn't sound like a prince to me.

Zmoke Wrote:
Does one time make a whore?


Bitch be a slut in the eyes of girls.

Zmoke Wrote:
I get her loyalty and the slip would require a real sub-story to get to the intercourse but it is not out of the question. You should know womens' desire for powerful men,


Zmoke Wrote:
like Barack, better.


Ew, and no.

Zmoke Wrote:
The games also say he is a prince, so saying otherwise is contradictory.


But he's not.
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Spider804
04/03/2014 02:40 AM (UTC)
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Only Rain says he is a prince, and the guy is arrogant as hell and acting all entitled. So, at least he's got that part down pat.
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RazorsEdge701
04/03/2014 06:27 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby's got a point, he's not even called a prince anywhere in MK9, not in his bio or his ending.

The only time the word was used is when he called himself one, in only one game, Armageddon.
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Zmoke
04/03/2014 11:08 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Why isn't your posts spaced out? Everything again, so damn clustered.

We don't even have to argue about this. It is a theory and it stands. ~Z

Zmoke Wrote:
That sentence doesn't make sense. It is a suggestion for I suggest in it.

I said that because we know a lot of Sindel. Why would she randomly sleep with other men? What would be the purpose of suggesting some random act for this character when she's been in various games that has already given us a lot of information about who she is. Why start saying that she is capable of being this "whore" that we never knew about? Then that means there's more to this character, thus putting more effort into changing her, AGAIN, to make her some banshee whore. No, I can't accept this even being a suggestion, mainly because it makes no sense after everything we've already seen with this character.

Actually the most loyal female partners are those who have once tasted the forbidden apple. Sindel X Argus would not be a sudden event but some other events would have built up to that. It's not other "men", it's another "man" who is nothing less than a god. If Argus desired to cheat on Delia, wouldn't you think that he is able to choose anybody he wanted – including the most loyal of them all? It's naïve to say she had no desires.Remember the forbidden apple in the Garden of Eden. Edenia has been influenced a lot by the story setting place in Eden in the Holy Bible.
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Again, I point out about the mysterious woman in Jade's ending and having various people claim that she's one of three characters who we already know. People say she's Li Mei, we KNOW who Li Mei is. Why would she randomly get these mysterious powers out of the blue, have the ability to change skin color, and have been around for centuries who can see into the future, when we've know that she's been a slave and a fighter?

Why on Earth do you want this to become its own sub-topic on this Rain thread? You wrote it once, I read it. If you want me to comment on it; she is probably a new fighter for no one we know at this point is a psychopomp.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
I don't intend that it is foolish not to embrace my theory, but it is foolish to say that it can't be true. Ruling his alleged royalty out as a 'fact' is foolish

As of 2011, it doesn't even mention anything about him being a prince, just this:
"A refugee orphaned by Shao Kahn's conquest, Rain grew up under the protection of the Edenian Resistance. An exceptional fighter, he soon rose through their ranks. As his reputation grew, so did his arrogance. When Rain demanded leadership of the Resistance forces, he was refused. Infuriated, he turned against his rebel comrades and betrayed them to their sworn enemy. In payment for this treason, Rain was promised his own army by the emperor Shao Kahn. Power would be his - no matter the cost... "
Doesn't sound like a prince to me.
Spider804 Wrote:
Only Rain says he is a prince, and the guy is arrogant as hell and acting all entitled. So, at least he's got that part down pat.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Icebaby's got a point, he's not even called a prince anywhere in MK9, not in his bio or his ending.
The only time the word was used is when he called himself one, in only one game, Armageddon.

The promotion site for MK9 does say that Rain indeed is a prince actually:
Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Does one time make a whore?

Bitch be a slut in the eyes of girls.
Zmoke Wrote:
I get her loyalty and the slip would require a real sub-story to get to the intercourse but it is not out of the question. You should know womens' desire for powerful men,
Zmoke Wrote:
like Barack, better.

Ew, and no.

What about in the eyes of men? She has had a long life, so once in ten thousand years doesn't seem a lot to me. It's actually true; Obama is a very desired guy and during his second term it has been suspected that he cheated on Michelle. Well, what about Brad Pitt now or in his 30s or 20s? He is powerful in Hollywood and worldwide. I'd think that he is a lot more desired than an average guy with similar traits that you know of.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
The games also say he is a prince, so saying otherwise is contradictory.

But he's not.

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Icebaby
04/03/2014 04:13 PM (UTC)
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Zmoke Wrote:
Actually the most loyal female partners are those who have once tasted the forbidden apple.


Uh no, sorry, that's not how it works in relationships when people are loyal and trustworthy to their significant others. I really doubt the most loyal are tempted to do something forbidden once.

Zmoke Wrote:
Sindel X Argus would not be a sudden event but some other events would have built up to that. It's not other "men", it's another "man" who is nothing less than a god. If Argus desired to cheat on Delia, wouldn't you think that he is able to choose anybody he wanted – including the most loyal of them all? It's naïve to say she had no desires.


If some random man came up to me and wanted me to do stuff because he's rich, famous, and somewhat power, would I be tempted to cheat on my boyfriend? Absolutely not. Doesn't matter if the guy will say to me that I can have everything in the world that I want, I can be as powerful as he, I'm still going to say no, because I'm loyal to who I'm with. It doesn't work like that, really it doesn't.

Just because you have a title that claims you're this powerful figure doesn't mean every single person will throw themselves onto them. That would be just downright dumb. People cheat on others with a reason, because the relationship went stale, they're looking for excitement, getting back at their partner and so on.

If Sindel has been loyal to her husband, then that clearly says right there, she's not the one that would cheat. And even when we learned more about this character, nothing about her shows me that she's the cheating type, as what Spider said. She clearly doesn't sound like a person who would backstab other people for a more powerful person to be in her life.


Zmoke Wrote:
Why on Earth do you want this to become its own sub-topic on this Rain thread? You wrote it once, I read it. If you want me to comment on it; she is probably a new fighter for no one we know at this point is a psychopomp.


Oh for goodness sake, I'm showing it off as an example. If I really wanted to talk about that, I'd be asking you questions and your thoughts. But am I? No. I'm just using it as an example, why you think I'm trying to get that to be another topic in this thread is just stupid.

Zmoke Wrote:
The promotion site for MK9 does say that Rain indeed is a prince actually:


But there is nowhere in his biography, heck even in his ending states nowhere that he is a prince. A son of Argus, yes, but a prince? Nowhere to be found. The only time he has claimed that he is a prince is when he was talked to Taven and said this:

"I am no friend of yours. I am Rain, a prince of Edenia."

That is the only time ever that it states he's a prince. All the other times that people talk that he is one is just that he came from a song from Prince, and they tied in that kind of stuff with this character.

Zmoke Wrote:
What about in the eyes of men? She has had a long life, so once in ten thousand years doesn't seem a lot to me. It's actually true; Obama is a very desired guy and during his second term it has been suspected that he cheated on Michelle. Well, what about Brad Pitt now or in his 30s or 20s? He is powerful in Hollywood and worldwide. I'd think that he is a lot more desired than an average guy with similar traits that you know of.


I don't desire the president, I didn't even vote for the guy at all. But here's the problem with throwing major political figures or movie stars, they're always the butt of rumors and gossip. People are always going to speculate that because they're rich and famous and basically get away with anything they want, they're capable of stooping to a low level with their significant other and cheat. The problem is that not everyone is like that, no matter what title they possess.

So because Argus is a god, he's allowed to just swoop in, take anyone he wants and just be like that? Oh, so now he's Zeus?

Please. We may not have all the answers here, but there's what we know about the characters themselves. We know who they are. To just suddenly throw in this would be a brand new story. But there's nothing in either of these characters' stories that indicate that they were once something, even in the past.

Do we really need to know who Sindel has been with during the times she's been a queen? Is that really essential to her story? No, it's not. Has Sindel and Argus been something in the past? They may have been, but since there's nothing that says otherwise, it's clearly no. If it's ever written in the future, then fine, yes. But like I said, since there's nothing that proves that they have been together once, it's not true. Even as a suggestion, it can't be said that they could have been since we already know who Sindel is.

Zmoke Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
The games also say he is a prince, so saying otherwise is contradictory.

But he's not.



Oh please.
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Zmoke
04/03/2014 06:44 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Actually the most loyal female partners are those who have once tasted the forbidden apple.

Uh no, sorry, that's not how it works in relationships when people are loyal and trustworthy to their significant others. I really doubt the most loyal are tempted to do something forbidden once.

You got it wrong. The most loyal female partners have already been there and done that; tasted the forbidden fruit. They know what to expect when a tempting potential partner comes in. Your personal behavior doesn't matter because this subject has been examined a lot by psychologists.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Sindel X Argus would not be a sudden event but some other events would have built up to that. It's not other "men", it's another "man" who is nothing less than a god. If Argus desired to cheat on Delia, wouldn't you think that he is able to choose anybody he wanted – including the most loyal of them all? It's naïve to say she had no desires.

If some random man came up to me and wanted me to do stuff because he's rich, famous, and somewhat power, would I be tempted to cheat on my boyfriend? Absolutely not. Doesn't matter if the guy will say to me that I can have everything in the world that I want, I can be as powerful as he, I'm still going to say no, because I'm loyal to who I'm with. It doesn't work like that, really it doesn't.
Just because you have a title that claims you're this powerful figure doesn't mean every single person will throw themselves onto them. That would be just downright dumb. People cheat on others with a reason, because the relationship went stale, they're looking for excitement, getting back at their partner and so on.

You just say that, but I am not convinced. Of course the riches alone don't grant bitches, but when the right man comes in, chances are he gets his desired woman whether or not she's in a relationship. Perhaps there are one or two exceptions but even the finest women could fall to certain guys.

Icebaby Wrote:
If Sindel has been loyal to her husband, then that clearly says right there, she's not the one that would cheat. And even when we learned more about this character, nothing about her shows me that she's the cheating type, as what Spider said. She clearly doesn't sound like a person who would backstab other people for a more powerful person to be in her life.

By the time Jerrod died, he was an elderly guy, probably suffering from impotence. Argus however was old too (just like Sindel) but he had god-like gifts. Maybe we don't have to go to details but that's the way it was.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Why on Earth do you want this to become its own sub-topic on this Rain thread? You wrote it once, I read it. If you want me to comment on it; she is probably a new fighter for no one we know at this point is a psychopomp.

Oh for goodness sake, I'm showing it off as an example. If I really wanted to talk about that, I'd be asking you questions and your thoughts. But am I? No. I'm just using it as an example, why you think I'm trying to get that to be another topic in this thread is just stupid.

It was a poor example and furthermore you had already brought that up. Why bring something like that twice? What is your lesson in that for me?

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
The promotion site for MK9 does say that Rain indeed is a prince actually:

But there is nowhere in his biography, heck even in his ending states nowhere that he is a prince. A son of Argus, yes, but a prince? Nowhere to be found. The only time he has claimed that he is a prince is when he was talked to Taven and said this:
"I am no friend of yours. I am Rain, a prince of Edenia."
That is the only time ever that it states he's a prince. All the other times that people talk that he is one is just that he came from a song from Prince, and they tied in that kind of stuff with this character.

What difference would it make whether or not Rain had his title mentioned in his MK9 biography? Rain wasn't in the story mode and his involvement in that game story-wise was minimal, so you can't expect them to go into every detail about him. Now, two different sources have provided that Rain is a prince – Rain himself and the latest MK game's promotion content.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
What about in the eyes of men? She has had a long life, so once in ten thousand years doesn't seem a lot to me. It's actually true; Obama is a very desired guy and during his second term it has been suspected that he cheated on Michelle. Well, what about Brad Pitt now or in his 30s or 20s? He is powerful in Hollywood and worldwide. I'd think that he is a lot more desired than an average guy with similar traits that you know of.

I don't desire the president, I didn't even vote for the guy at all. But here's the problem with throwing major political figures or movie stars, they're always the butt of rumors and gossip. People are always going to speculate that because they're rich and famous and basically get away with anything they want, they're capable of stooping to a low level with their significant other and cheat. The problem is that not everyone is like that, no matter what title they possess.
So because Argus is a god, he's allowed to just swoop in, take anyone he wants and just be like that? Oh, so now he's Zeus?
Please. We may not have all the answers here, but there's what we know about the characters themselves. We know who they are. To just suddenly throw in this would be a brand new story. But there's nothing in either of these characters' stories that indicate that they were once something, even in the past.
Do we really need to know who Sindel has been with during the times she's been a queen? Is that really essential to her story? No, it's not. Has Sindel and Argus been something in the past? They may have been, but since there's nothing that says otherwise, it's clearly no. If it's ever written in the future, then fine, yes. But like I said, since there's nothing that proves that they have been together once, it's not true. Even as a suggestion, it can't be said that they could have been since we already know who Sindel is.

I can sense naïvity here. Sindel's history can be essential to Rain's story.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
The games also say he is a prince, so saying otherwise is contradictory.

But he's not.


Oh please.

It is like arguing with a ten-year-old when you state; "But he's not." without backing it up with any evidence after that. It bears no meaning to myself.
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Icebaby
04/03/2014 09:30 PM (UTC)
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Zmoke Wrote:
You got it wrong. The most loyal female partners have already been there and done that; tasted the forbidden fruit. They know what to expect when a tempting potential partner comes in. Your personal behavior doesn't matter because this subject has been examined a lot by psychologists.

You just say that, but I am not convinced. Of course the riches alone don't grant bitches, but when the right man comes in, chances are he gets his desired woman whether or not she's in a relationship. Perhaps there are one or two exceptions but even the finest women could fall to certain guys


This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read from you, right next to Hanky's bullshit that he throws out. Relationships are different from one couple to the next. I don't think you've been in enough relationships to understand that when someone is loyal to their significant other, nothing will distract them from their love. Just because there are people out there that might try to ruin relationships for people, doesn't mean that the most loyal person will fall into temptation and just cheat like that. People don't just cheat without a reason. Every person that I know who has cheated on someone before has always given me a reason why, although I personally dislike their decision to do something like that, still, there's a reason to cheat.

You don't wake up one day and say, "I'm going to cheat on my significant other for no good reason at all."

And if there are people out there that actually does do this, then they're just dumb.

Zmoke Wrote:
By the time Jerrod died, he was an elderly guy, probably suffering from impotence. Argus however was old too (just like Sindel) but he had god-like gifts. Maybe we don't have to go to details but that's the way it was


Are we really going to bring up about sexual dysfunctions? No, I'm not going to even acknowledge this nonsense.

Zmoke Wrote:
It was a poor example and furthermore you had already brought that up. Why bring something like that twice? What is your lesson in that for me?


Are you seriously trying to make a big fucking deal out of an example I was trying to make, which I didn't think you understood the first time so I said it again to see if you would get it? I'm not arguing about this if you didn't understand my point, it obviously went over your head.

Zmoke Wrote:
What difference would it make whether or not Rain had his title mentioned in his MK9 biography? Rain wasn't in the story mode and his involvement in that game story-wise was minimal, so you can't expect them to go into every detail about him. Now, two different sources have provided that Rain is a prince – Rain himself and the latest MK game's promotion content.


Because biographies are supposed to tell us who the character is and what they are. If there is nothing that tells me this guy is a prince, how am I supposed to know? If some random person picked up this game for the first time and saw Rain's biography, from what I showed you, they wouldn't know that he's a prince. Oh but it states in the promotional site that he is. Well then why would you have it stated there and not in the game itself?

I do expect them to go into detail about him. If he is called a prince, I'd like to know why that is. Just because he claims that he's a prince doesn't mean he is one. I call myself a princess, but you don't see me living a luxurious life and actually being a princess. So no, I can't accept that he is a prince if nowhere in the game states that he is a prince.

Zmoke Wrote:
I can sense naïvity here. Sindel's history can be essential to Rain's story.


It could be in the future if it's ever written but it's not right now so no it's not. Simple as that.

Zmoke Wrote:
It is like arguing with a ten-year-old when you state; "But he's not." without backing it up with any evidence after that. It bears no meaning to myself.


Except, I clearly gave you significant evidence stating how he's not by showing you not only his ending, but his biography. Nowhere, and I do mean, nowhere, does it states that he is indeed a prince. So a promotional site states that he is... but then why not have it in a bio then?

So no, you're not arguing with a ten-year old. You're arguing with someone who can back their statements up with proof.

Also, with this little PM you sent me,

"Hello. In my humble opinion, I don't see where this argument in the Rain thread would lead. So in case it isn't prolific, reasons to extend it into a long-winded argument are scarce. You can continue it if you want and I will probably answer but if you don't see a point in it, reconsider doing that, please. My bottom line was/is that RE701 cannot state (based on his theory) that Rain is not a prince since the official content of Mortal Kombat clearly states that he is, even though we don't know his mom. We neither know however who e.g. Onaga's parents are, yet we consider him a king. Justifiedly so, but it is injust to state it as a *fact* that Rain is not a prince because we as fans don't really know that. Same thing (with RE701): You cannot state for granted that all of the MK9 zombies will return MKX. As likely as it is, you can't *know* that at this point. [This is just to clarify.] ~Z"

I don't care what issues you and Razor have within each other. I only sided with him because I agree that Rain is not a prince because there's nothing that says he is in his biography and ending. And I'm only mentioning it because you're bringing him into this issue, which he doesn't need to be. If he wants to debate with you, he can debate with you. I only said that I'm siding with him because I agree with his point that he's not a prince. I just went into more details showing proof to back that statement up.
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Zmoke
04/03/2014 10:09 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
You got it wrong. The most loyal female partners have already been there and done that; tasted the forbidden fruit. They know what to expect when a tempting potential partner comes in. Your personal behavior doesn't matter because this subject has been examined a lot by psychologists.
You just say that, but I am not convinced. Of course the riches alone don't grant bitches, but when the right man comes in, chances are he gets his desired woman whether or not she's in a relationship. Perhaps there are one or two exceptions but even the finest women could fall to certain guys

This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read from you, right next to Hanky's bullshit that he throws out. Relationships are different from one couple to the next. I don't think you've been in enough relationships to understand that when someone is loyal to their significant other, nothing will distract them from their love. Just because there are people out there that might try to ruin relationships for people, doesn't mean that the most loyal person will fall into temptation and just cheat like that. People don't just cheat without a reason. Every person that I know who has cheated on someone before has always given me a reason why, although I personally dislike their decision to do something like that, still, there's a reason to cheat.
You don't wake up one day and say, "I'm going to cheat on my significant other for no good reason at all."
And if there are people out there that actually does do this, then they're just dumb.

Your argument is basically "because it's dumb." Sindel wouldn't cheat on anyone in the 21st century because she has gone through a lot, including possibly the forbidden fruit. Is anyone born "loyal"? I doubt it; you'll become the most loyal thing in the universe only by living and experiencing things.

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Zmoke Wrote:
By the time Jerrod died, he was an elderly guy, probably suffering from impotence. Argus however was old too (just like Sindel) but he had god-like gifts. Maybe we don't have to go to details but that's the wayit was

Are we really going to bring up about sexual dysfunctions? No, I'm not going to even acknowledge this nonsense.

When you refuse to acknowledge plausible factors for petty excuses, you probably refuse to obtain the truth too. You wanted reasons, I gave them.

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Zmoke Wrote:
It was a poor example and furthermore you had already brought that up. Why bring something like that twice? What is your lesson in that for me?

Are you seriously trying to make a big fucking deal out of an example I was trying to make, which I didn't think you understood the first time so I said it again to see if you would get it? I'm not arguing about this if you didn't understand my point, it obviously went over your head.

What is there to get essentially? It is irrelevant to the topic of Rain, lmao.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
What difference would it make whether or not Rain had his title mentioned in his MK9 biography? Rain wasn't in the story mode and his involvement in that game story-wise was minimal, so you can't expect them to go into every detail about him. Now, two different sources have provided that Rain is a prince – Rain himself and the latest MK game's promotion content.

Because biographies are supposed to tell us who the character is and what they are. If there is nothing that tells me this guy is a prince, how am I supposed to know? If some random person picked up this game for the first time and saw Rain's biography, from what I showed you, they wouldn't know that he's a prince. Oh but it states in the promotional site that he is. Well then why would you have it stated there and not in the game itself?
I do expect them to go into detail about him. If he is called a prince, I'd like to know why that is. Just because he claims that he's a prince doesn't mean he is one. I call myself a princess, but you don't see me living a luxurious life and actually being a princess. So no, I can't accept that he is a prince if nowhere in the game states that he is a prince.

You can never be a princess for you don't live in a monarchy. Rain does.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
I can sense naïvity here. Sindel's history can be essential to Rain's story.

It could be in the future if it's ever written but it's not right now so no it's not. Simple as that.

Finally there's something we can both agree on. Now, I've never stated that it is so. It is a theory. You acknowledge that too. So what's your problem?

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
It is like arguing with a ten-year-old when you state; "But he's not." without backing it up with any evidence after that. It bears no meaning to myself.

Except, I clearly gave you significant evidence stating how he's not by showing you not only his ending, but his biography. Nowhere, and I do mean, nowhere, does it states that he is indeed a prince. So a promotional site states that he is... but then why not have it in a bio then?
So no, you're not arguing with a ten-year old. You're arguing with someone who can back their statements up with proof.

I didn't state that I argued with a ten-year-old person, but with a woman with arguments of that level. You haven't proven that Rain is not a prince. You can think that he is not: Keep it to yourself. You cannot prove that he is not a prince only by stating his endings and biographies don't mention that. The image above I provided alone proves otherwise. How is that?

Icebaby Wrote:
Also, with this little PM you sent me,
"Hello. In my humble opinion, I don't see where this argument in the Rain thread would lead. So in case it isn't prolific, reasons to extend it into a long-winded argument are scarce. You can continue it if you want and I will probably answer but if you don't see a point in it, reconsider doing that, please. My bottom line was/is that RE701 cannot state (based on his theory) that Rain is not a prince since the official content of Mortal Kombat clearly states that he is, even though we don't know his mom. We neither know however who e.g. Onaga's parents are, yet we consider him a king. Justifiedly so, but it is injust to state it as a *fact* that Rain is not a prince because we as fans don't really know that. Same thing (with RE701): You cannot state for granted that all of the MK9 zombies will return MKX. As likely as it is, you can't *know* that at this point. [This is just to clarify.] ~Z"
I don't care what issues you and Razor have within each other. I only sided with him because I agree that Rain is not a prince because there's nothing that says he is in his biography and ending. And I'm only mentioning it because you're bringing him into this issue, which he doesn't need to be. If he wants to debate with you, he can debate with you. I only said that I'm siding with him because I agree with his point that he's not a prince. I just went into more details showing proof to back that statement up.

You have no modesty. I suspected that you'd publish the private message here, albeit that has no argumentative value. The sole reason I sent it to you was to shorten this subject and clarify stuff, likely for everyone's good. Unless you deliberately desire to spend your time arguing for no reason.
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Icebaby
04/03/2014 11:39 PM (UTC)
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Zmoke Wrote:
Your argument is basically "because it's dumb." Sindel wouldn't cheat on anyone in the 21st century because she has gone through a lot, including possibly the forbidden fruit. Is anyone born "loyal"? I doubt it; you'll become the most loyal thing in the universe only by living and experiencing things.


It is dumb. You think everyone is capable of cheating on their significant others, and that even the most trustworthy person could fall just like that without reason. Relationships don't work that way. I may be only twenty-three years old, but at least I know that's not how people are when it comes to relationships. I've said it before and this is the last time I'm mentioning this because I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. You don't cheat on someone unless you have a clear reason to cheat. And even so, there's nothing to gain mostly from it. Sometimes relationships patches up when both parties realizes the issue. Other times, it fails completely. You can't just wake up one day, put on your clothes, walk outside and say to the first person that looks at you with "that" look, you're gonna cheat on your significant other with that person. That's not how cheating works.

What in the world would a character with the kind of story they have been given would suddenly add more to her tragic story by adding more tragedy? What is there to gain from that? Sindel is a character who basically had so much going for her before Kahn's invasion. A character that seemed like they had a pretty good life. What good would she have to suddenly cheat on Jerrod with Argus and have a son that she probably doesn't even know?

Zmoke Wrote:
What is there to get essentially? It is irrelevant to the topic of Rain, lmao.


It was to simply say that we know who Sindel is because we know who she is. She suddenly wouldn't be this character who was never loyal to her husband in all the time they've been together when there's nothing that even suggested it. That is what I was getting. To make this big of a issue of an example that clearly went over your head is just beating a dead horse with a stick now. I've said it a good amount of time for you to understand what I was trying to get with it. If you still don't get it, I don't know what to tell you then. I'm not arguing about this part anymore. If you still want to, good for you, I'll just ignore it because I don't know how much clearer I can try to get with this.

Zmoke Wrote:
Finally there's something we can both agree on. Now, I've never stated that it is so. It is a theory. You acknowledge that too. So what's your problem?


Because you're the one that made a fu

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I didn't state that I argued with a ten-year-old person, but with a woman with arguments of that level. You haven't proven that Rain is not a prince.


Uh, except I have actually. You can continue sitting in your chair claiming that I haven't. But I've given you various sources of proof that states that he's not. People even pointed it out that what I showed made sense. All you're saying is that because it states on one measly little site, he's automatically a prince. Why would that be said there and not even in the game itself? And please don't answer, "We're supposed to know that already." No, that's not a reasonable answer to go with at all.

Zmoke Wrote:
You can think that he is not: Keep it to yourself. You cannot prove that he is not a prince only by stating his endings and biographies don't mention that. The image above I provided alone proves otherwise. How is that?


No, you don't get to walk away from a question I was asking you and ask one yourself. My question to you is, "Why would they not include his so-called "prince" title in his biography and ending?" How is that?

Zmoke Wrote:
You have no modesty. I suspected that you'd publish the private message here, albeit that has no argumentative value. The sole reason I sent it to you was to shorten this subject and clarify stuff, likely for everyone's good. Unless you deliberately desire to spend your time arguing for no reason.


I'm not going to argue with you in two different places on this site. I'm not going to go back and forth and remember what I said when I can easily do it here. So stay in one spot please.
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Zmoke
04/04/2014 12:01 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Your argument is basically "because it's dumb." Sindel wouldn't cheat on anyone in the 21st century because she has gone through a lot, including possibly the forbidden fruit. Is anyone born "loyal"? I doubt it; you'll become the most loyal thing in the universe only by living and experiencing things.

It is dumb. You think everyone is capable of cheating on their significant others, and that even the most trustworthy person could fall just like that without reason. Relationships don't work that way. I may be only twenty-three years old, but at least I know that's not how people are when it comes to relationships. I've said it before and this is the last time I'm mentioning this because I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. You don't cheat on someone unless you have a clear reason to cheat. And even so, there's nothing to gain mostly from it. Sometimes relationships patches up when both parties realizes the issue. Other times, it fails completely. You can't just wake up one day, put on your clothes, walk outside and say to the first person that looks at you with "that" look, you're gonna cheat on your significant other with that person. That's not how cheating works.
What in the world would a character with the kind of story they have been given would suddenly add more to her tragic story by adding more tragedy? What is there to gain from that? Sindel is a character who basically had so much going for her before Kahn's invasion. A character that seemed like they had a pretty good life. What good would she have to suddenly cheat on Jerrod with Argus and have a son that she probably doesn't even know?

It is you who stated that it was for no reason. There would be a very good reason for that and it would require a flashback story with depth to tell it.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
What is there to get essentially? It is irrelevant to the topic of Rain, lmao.

It was to simply say that we know who Sindel is because we know who she is. She suddenly wouldn't be this character who was never loyal to her husband in all the time they've been together when there's nothing that even suggested it. That is what I was getting. To make this big of a issue of an example that clearly went over your head is just beating a dead horse with a stick now. I've said it a good amount of time for you to understand what I was trying to get with it. If you still don't get it, I don't know what to tell you then. I'm not arguing about this part anymore. If you still want to, good for you, I'll just ignore it because I don't know how much clearer I can try to get with this.

"We know because we know." Really? You hardly base your arguments.

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Zmoke Wrote:
Finally there's something we can both agree on. Now, I've never stated that it is so. It is a theory. You acknowledge that too. So what's your problem?

Because you're the one that made a fu

...This reinforces my previous statement.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
I didn't state that I argued with a ten-year-old person, but with a woman with arguments of that level. You haven't proven that Rain is not a prince.

Uh, except I have actually. You can continue sitting in your chair claiming that I haven't. But I've given you various sources of proof that states that he's not. People even pointed it out that what I showed made sense. All you're saying is that because it states on one measly little site, he's automatically a prince. Why would that be said there and not even in the game itself? And please don't answer, "We're supposed to know that already." No, that's not a reasonable answer to go with at all.

My point is not whether or not Rain is a legitimate prince for a fact. It is that you don't have the proof to state that he truly is not a prince. / don't have a burden of proof here, it is you. How is it a fact that Rain is not a prince?

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
You can think that he is not: Keep it to yourself. You cannot prove that he is not a prince only by stating his endings and biographies don't mention that. The image above I provided alone proves otherwise. How is that?

No, you don't get to walk away from a question I was asking you and ask one yourself. My question to you is, "Why would they not include his so-called "prince" title in his biography and ending?" How is that?

The motifs of the developers aren't very essential in this matter. Maybe the developers wanted to leave the royalty sub-plot for the future. It is ironic that you accuse me of "walking away" when that's the very thing you did.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
You have no modesty. I suspected that you'd publish the private message here, albeit that has no argumentative value. The sole reason I sent it to you was to shorten this subject and clarify stuff, likely for everyone's good. Unless you deliberately desire to spend your time arguing for no reason.

I'm not going to argue with you in two different places on this site. I'm not going to go back and forth and remember what I said when I can easily do it here. So stay in one spot please.

You're narrow-minded. Why argue at all? How about normal discussion?
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04/04/2014 01:09 AM (UTC)
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Zmoke Wrote:
It is you who stated that it was for no reason. There would be a very good reason for that and it would require a flashback story with depth to tell it.


No duh there will be a reason behind it, but you keep saying that, "the most loyal will dive into temptation yadda yadda," and that would be just dumb to have it be like, "Oh Jerrod is old and dysfunctional, time to cheat on him!" And how would this impact not only the character, but to the fans of this character? Is this something that is really necessary for Rain? Do we really need to know who is mother is? Why his mother wasn't in the picture?
Zmoke Wrote:
We know because we know." Really? You hardly base your arguments.


Please.

Zmoke Wrote:
My point is not whether or not Rain is a legitimate prince for a fact. It is that you don't have the proof to state that he truly is not a prince. / don't have a burden of proof here, it is you. How is it a fact that Rain is not a prince?


Except I've shoved his biography and his ending in your face. That is enough evidence to make my case. Hell, even his biography in Trilogy states nowhere that he's a prince. Take a look:

"Born of Kitana's former world of Edenia, Rain was smuggled away from the realm as a small child shortly after Shao Kahn's take over. Thousands of years later he resurfaced. His allegiance belonging to Kahn, he chose to betray his homeland rather than suffer at the hands of Kahn's extermination Squads."

And this is his ending:

"Rain fights valiantly for the emperor Shao Kahn. But it would be Kahn's own step daughter, the Princess Kitana, who turns Rain against him. Like Kitana, Rain's origins also come from their former realm of Edenia. He learns that his father was once a general in Edenia's army and died at the hands of Shao Kahn himself. Enraged at the truth of his history, he joins Kitana in aligning with the Earthrealm warriors. But his allegiance comes under question when he mysteriously disappears during an extermination squad attack. To prove his loyalty, he embarked on a suicide mission to destroy Shao Kahn and end the menace once and for all."

And the only thing you're showing is something on a promotional website.

You're telling me that the actual character's biography and ending isn't good enough against something on a measly little website? That is absolutely bogus and completely dumb to say that has more facts than an actual biography. Come on, seriously.

Zmoke Wrote:
The motifs of the developers aren't very essential in this matter. Maybe the developers wanted to leave the royalty sub-plot for the future. It is ironic that you accuse me of "walking away" when that's the very thing you did.


I was actually going to answer your question when you answer mine. That's not walking away from anything.

And to answer your question, I'll answer it with a question I've asked plenty of times, "How can you promote a character by claiming he's something when there's nothing in the game itself that says he is a prince?"

Zmoke Wrote:
You're narrow-minded. Why argue at all? How about normal discussion?


So I'm narrow-minded because I would rather keep a discussion in one spot rather than two? This isn't a normal discussion where two people are talking back and forth? Jee, what do you call this then?
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Zmoke
04/04/2014 01:25 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
It is you who stated that it was for no reason. There would be a very good reason for that and it would require a flashback story with depth to tell it.

No duh there will be a reason behind it, but you keep saying that, "the most loyal will dive into temptation yadda yadda," and that would be just dumb to have it be like, "Oh Jerrod is old and dysfunctional, time to cheat on him!" And how would this impact not only the character, but to the fans of this character? Is this something that is really necessary for Rain? Do we really need to know who is mother is? Why his mother wasn't in the picture?

Maybe we don't need to know who she is. But apparently you are unable to comprehend that Rain can be a prince even with an unknown mother.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
We know because we know." Really? You hardly base your arguments.

Please.

Those statements ("Please") bear no substance for the topic, Icebaby.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
My point is not whether or not Rain is a legitimate prince for a fact. It is that you don't have the proof to state that he truly is not a prince. / don't have a burden of proof here, it is you. How is it a fact that Rain is not a prince?

Except I've shoved his biography and his ending in your face. That is enough evidence to make my case. Hell, even his biography in Trilogy states nowhere that he's a prince. Take a look:
"Born of Kitana's former world of Edenia, Rain was smuggled away from the realm as a small child shortly after Shao Kahn's take over. Thousands of years later he resurfaced. His allegiance belonging to Kahn, he chose to betray his homeland rather than suffer at the hands of Kahn's extermination Squads."
And this is his ending:
"Rain fights valiantly for the emperor Shao Kahn. But it would be Kahn's own step daughter, the Princess Kitana, who turns Rain against him. Like Kitana, Rain's origins also come from their former realm of Edenia. He learns that his father was once a general in Edenia's army and died at the hands of Shao Kahn himself. Enraged at the truth of his history, he joins Kitana in aligning with the Earthrealm warriors. But his allegiance comes under question when he mysteriously disappears during an extermination squad attack. To prove his loyalty, he embarked on a suicide mission to destroy Shao Kahn and end the menace once and for all."
And the only thing you're showing is something on a promotional website.
You're telling me that the actual character's biography and ending isn't good enough against something on a measly little website? That is absolutely bogus and completely dumb to say that has more facts than an actual biography. Come on, seriously.

Those paragraphs don't actually contradict that Rain is a prince: It would be a different thing if they specifically told that Rain is not a prince. What's more, Rain's royalty was not revealed until MK:A and MKT came before it. The site isn't the sole source; Rain himself also calls himself a prince.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
The motifs of the developers aren't very essential in this matter. Maybe the developers wanted to leave the royalty sub-plot for the future. It is ironic that you accuse me of "walking away" when that's the very thing you did.

I was actually going to answer your question when you answer mine. That's not walking away from anything.
And to answer your question, I'll answer it with a question I've asked plenty of times, "How can you promote a character by claiming he's something when there's nothing in the game itself that says he is a prince?"

It is walking away, no matter what your actual intentions were. That still didn't prove that Rain is for a fact not a prince. It is mentioned in a game.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
You're narrow-minded. Why argue at all? How about normal discussion?

So I'm narrow-minded because I would rather keep a discussion in one spot rather than two? This isn't a normal discussion where two people are talking back and forth? Jee, what do you call this then?

You're not narrow-minded because you would rather keep the discussion in the topic, but for you think that arguing is the only option to converse.
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04/04/2014 01:48 AM (UTC)
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Zmoke Wrote:
Maybe we don't need to know who she is. But apparently you are unable to comprehend that Rain can be a prince even with an unknown mother.


I'm not unable to comprehend that Rain can have a mother who has some royalty behind her, but when it states that, then I'll believe it. As of right now, there isn't anything that states that he is. They're obviously not going with his Armageddon biography, they're going with a completely new one that states that he's not even royalty. I'll believe that over some promotional website.

Zmoke Wrote:
It is walking away, no matter what your actual intentions were. That still didn't prove that Rain is for a fact not a prince. It is mentioned in a game.


A game. "A" game A game. Not in any of the other games he has made an appearance in. And it was ONE time. "ONE" time, ONE time that it is ever mentioned. Where the two other games that he has made an appearance in neither states that.

Zmoke Wrote:
You're not narrow-minded because you would rather keep the discussion in the topic, but for you think that arguing is the only option to converse.


Looks who's talking Mr. I-Have-To-Argue-With-Razor-In-Multiple-Threads.

Seriously, several threads has the two of you arguing, and most of the time you start it, so don't be pointing the finger at someone when you do it first.

Zmoke Wrote:
Those statements ("Please") bear no substance for the topic, Icebaby.


Keep beating that dead horse, Zmoke, you're doing a wonderful job at it!
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Spider804
04/04/2014 03:10 AM (UTC)
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Ya'll do realize you're wasting energy and brain cells arguing over a character born out of Ed Boon's love for the Artist Formerly Known as Prince, right?
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Icebaby
04/04/2014 03:13 AM (UTC)
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Spider804 Wrote:
Ya'll do realize you're wasting energy and brain cells arguing over a character born out of Ed Boon's love for the Artist Formerly Known as Prince, right?


Yes. What's worse than that? I'm arguing about a character I don't even like at all.
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04/04/2014 03:40 AM (UTC)
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Well at least this elongated debate revolved around rain & not being a derailment fest.
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Zmoke
04/04/2014 10:37 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Maybe we don't need to know who she is. But apparently you are unable to comprehend that Rain can be a prince even with an unknown mother.

I'm not unable to comprehend that Rain can have a mother who has some royalty behind her, but when it states that, then I'll believe it. As of right now, there isn't anything that states that he is. They're obviously not going with his Armageddon biography, they're going with a completely new one that states that he's not even royalty. I'll believe that over some promotional website.

Quit talking bull. Where does Rain's new bio state that he is not royal?

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
It is walking away, no matter what your actual intentions were. That still didn't prove that Rain is for a fact not a prince. It is mentioned in a game.

A game. "A" game A game. Not in any of the other games he has made an appearance in. And it was ONE time. "ONE" time, ONE time that it is ever mentioned. Where the two other games that he has made an appearance in neither states that.

You are being utterly unreasonable. MK9 counts as well because the promotional site is within is stratosphere, if you will, as if that's so crucial.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
You're not narrow-minded because you would rather keep the discussion in the topic, but for you think that arguing is the only option to converse.

Looks who's talking Mr. I-Have-To-Argue-With-Razor-In-Multiple-Threads.
Seriously, several threads has the two of you arguing, and most of the time you start it, so don't be pointing the finger at someone when you do it first.

No, I realize that there are other options to converse than only arguing, too.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Those statements ("Please") bear no substance for the topic, Icebaby.

Keep beating that dead horse, Zmoke, you're doing a wonderful job at it!

Can you see the irony again?
Icebaby Wrote:
Spider804 Wrote:
Ya'll do realize you're wasting energy and brain cells arguing over a character born out of Ed Boon's love for the Artist Formerly Known as Prince, right?

Yes. What's worse than that? I'm arguing about a character I don't even like at all.
You must like masochism in many ways. Y'know, I even sent you a private message about not elongating this overly much. You are one loony gal.
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Icebaby
04/04/2014 02:23 PM (UTC)
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Zmoke Wrote:
Quit talking bull. Where does Rain's new bio state that he is not royal?


You know, after reading this sentence right here, it comes to tell me that you're really blind not to see anything I've showed you. I literally showed you, highlighted in cyan, his biography from 2011. Even in his ending, there is absolutely nothing that states that he is a prince. Either you're blind, or refusing to accept that there's nothing in that game that states that he is a prince. I don't know what else to say or show you since what I showed you had all the proof I need.

Zmoke Wrote:
You must like masochism in many ways. Y'know, I even sent you a private message about not elongating this overly much. You are one loony gal.


And now we're resorting to name calling? Yeah, I'm a looney girl for discussing about a character I don't like, I like "masochism" because I'm arguing about a character I don't like. What, we're not allowed to discuss, even argue, about a character we don't like? I can't talk about that?

Please. You know, I feel like pulling a Jaded-Raven here and just say, "let's agree to disagree." I'm growing bored of this argument because I really have nothing else to say. Feel free to respond to this to get the last laugh. I don't care. I'm still entitled to what I feel is right, obviously you're still sticking that he is a prince. Whatever, I got stuff to do today anyways.
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Zmoke
04/04/2014 03:43 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Quit talking bull. Where does Rain's new bio state that he is not royal?

You know, after reading this sentence right here, it comes to tell me that you're really blind not to see anything I've showed you. I literally showed you, highlighted in cyan, his biography from 2011. Even in his ending, there is absolutely nothing that states that he is a prince. Either you're blind, or refusing to accept that there's nothing in that game that states that he is a prince. I don't know what else to say or show you since what I showed you had all the proof I need.

You find it hard to comprehend. There is nothing in those that state that he is a prince, but neither do they state that he is not a prince. They just leave it in the air, but as we know, the idea of Prince Rain has not been ditched. Even in the introduction of Rain to MK(2011) he was still called a prince.

Icebaby Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
You must like masochism in many ways. Y'know, I even sent you a private message about not elongating this overly much. You are one loony gal.

And now we're resorting to name calling? Yeah, I'm a looney girl for discussing about a character I don't like, I like "masochism" because I'm arguing about a character I don't like. What, we're not allowed to discuss, even argue, about a character we don't like? I can't talk about that?
Please. You know, I feel like pulling a Jaded-Raven here and just say, "let's agree to disagree." I'm growing bored of this argument because I really have nothing else to say. Feel free to respond to this to get the last laugh. I don't care. I'm still entitled to what I feel is right, obviously you're still sticking that he is a prince. Whatever, I got stuff to do today anyways.

Icebaby Wrote:
Spider804 Wrote:
Ya'll do realize you're wasting energy and brain cells arguing over a character born out of Ed Boon's love for the Artist Formerly Known as Prince, right?

Yes. What's worse than that? I'm arguing about a character I don't even like at all.

Nowhere did I write that you cannot talk about Rain. But it is particularly funny that at one point you state that "What's worse than [arguing about Rain]?" and at another you just dismissed the PM by not replying to it directly. No, I don't settle for that. That is just your means of giving up.
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wdm6789
04/05/2014 10:17 PM (UTC)
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I would like to see some Rain/Kitana interaction. Has there been any in any of the games? Also, don't all Edenians have a little bit of God genes in their DNA? I would not mind a romance between Rain and Kitana either, but they should have started that story way back in MK trilogy or like Deception, I feel like now it's too late. Unless we are still doing the back to the old school that was the plot of MK 2011. Maybe they can work in some sort of Rain/Kitana story line, even if it's not a romance.
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