I really think that most of you guys...and espeacially Wanderer should really just shut the fuck up. If you don't like the way the game is made, well I have a solution for you pricks..DON'T BUY IT!!! just stop all the bitchin'. By the way it's just a game...it's not your life(and if it is you have serious issues)....it's not that big of a deal. If you don't like the game than go play some other fighting game. I'm tired of peoples bullshit and bitching on this fucking site ____________________________________________________________ no...i don't think that people should not be able to have somewhat negative comments on MKD..but come on...that's all they talk about.."mkd will suck. mkd engine sucks. etc." So colguile..you can shut the fuck up. Thank you P.S.: Crow can also learn a lesson from this and shut his dumbass mouth also. _________________________________________________________ oh and by the way colguile...i've never done any dumbass petitions..or any of the shit you mentioned.

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Shut the hell up SuperGirlGamer..please just shut your mouth.

The only thing that pissed me off is the fact that since this is a fighting game, hardly anything new has been added to the fighting. All they did was add a couple of new reversals and combo stoppers. They focused too much on the extras instead of the core gameplay.

Show me my skull points.

Wait! I see none. I got two gold dragons for one of my posts.

Me? SHUT UP?

Like I say: I don't shoot shit. I give examples of good shit and the MK shit. I try to offer advice to MK.

MY ONLY PROBLEM is the gameplay. I have no problems with the story, or character design. But do you see me going into threads made by others who do have problems posting shit about how they should "shut up" about the character design and story and to stop hating on MK. DO I tell them to leave? No. Cause that makes me a retarded chimp.

Gameplay to me important. That's what I compain about cause that's what matters to me.

I really think that most of you guys...and espeacially Wanderer should really just shut the fuck up. If you don't like the way the game is made, well I have a solution for you pricks..DON'T BUY IT!!! just stop all the bitchin'. By the way it's just a game...it's not your life(and if it is you have serious issues)....it's not that big of a deal. If you don't like the game than go play some other fighting game. I'm tired of peoples bullshit and bitching on this fucking site ____________________________________________________________ no...i don't think that people should not be able to have somewhat negative comments on MKD..but come on...that's all they talk about.."mkd will suck. mkd engine sucks. etc." So colguile..you can shut the fuck up. Thank you P.S.: Crow can also learn a lesson from this and shut his dumbass mouth also. _________________________________________________________ oh and by the way colguile...i've never done any dumbass petitions..or any of the shit you mentioned.
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Shut the hell up SuperGirlGamer..please just shut your mouth.

WTD did I do to your dumbass mymommasmonkey. Did you even read my post? Read it and learn how to understand. I was defending MK...just like you.

mymommasmonkey, what the hell is wrong with you. You just flame someone out of the blue just because you don't agree with them? God, this thread is bringing out the worst in us. Someone close this before death threats start.

Thanks SuperGirlGamer, that's the basic idea of my posts too, glad to see someone who thinks alike .

it was a joke...dang...someones a little cranky.

you know you seem pretty cool...I've never met a girl that actually liked MK..cool

If you say it was a joke then sure it was. Always glad to meet new people. =)

I wasn't hating on menthol, colguile, and wanderer. I just read the recent post saying "gameplay is what matters to me," and I understand it. Some people just wanna have fun, and some people want gameplay. I think no one was wrong here... All opinions I say.

It's a good thread to debate on.
Whew..i'm glad somebody noticed all the non-sense taking place and took care of it.
or at least gave a warning.

Combo breaker is a good idea, but the way boon has it implemented as they say they did, is completely pointless. Why not just create a button like the L2(uselses) ps2 version, and have that as a combo breaker button?? that's how messed it sounds and simple and people would use it way too much and get to stupid.
The way mk:da juggled wasn't bad, but could have been better. I thought you could actually customize the combos in mkda, but you can't really, like vf4evo. Like mentioned in this thread, having combo breakers pointing in the certain direction would at least be better, or a certain counterable move with the right punch or kick, like a killer instinct version of a combo breaker during a juggle. But a juggle should only be breakable at the beginning and not towards the ending half of it.
You know what. When i play a fighting game, like killer instinct for the snes rom or such, or marvel vs capcom 2 for ps2, i always want to come back for more, when i play against a friend. But when i play mkda, i like the game and all, it was nice to see the game in 3d, but when i played it with friends, i just couldn't see myself playing the game over and over, as what a fighter is supposed to do, like in the good ol days, a fighter in the arcades or any arcade game is supposed to make you come back for more and fill up the machine with quarters. Maybe that's why they feel that mkda and mk:D isn't worth an arcadish experience. MK:DA's gameplay wasn't bad, but it was good enough to have a normal fight, but not good enough to match up to other games, and not as complex to please many die hard fighting gameplay fans. But we can't please everybody, right..but at least please the gameplay point of view, cause that's the main focus of a fighting game, the fights!
If you say, mk:D is like mk:da 2.0
i already knew it would be, and i stated it a long time ago. I believe they were expecting a lot of fans to cherish the game because of the bringing back of many popular characters, it has, but will it satisfy us, i think it'll be like mk:da, bringing back some characters such as cyrax, reptile, kano, etc..the only thing i see an improvement on is the arena interaction, but still that's what mk:da was supposed to have..??
the only true interaction it had was the acid buddhas, and still...that's my only favourite arena because of that...otherwise i'd have to judge according to the background design..geez. this is the 3d world for mk..not 2d..they made the move..so they must live with it and show it.
The mini-games are decent, but still they're like versions of chess and tetris....modified...at least test your might is classic, and test your sight was not as fun...something similar could be good, chess seems at least playable, but for how long....the konquest version..in mkda..i'd actually call it practice or extra practice mode...at least this time konquest is what konquest is supposed to be..but still..there isn't the option to actually select a character from a list or customize the character...so that online play would be at least more interesting with a different character....
The combo breakers need to be worked on...and the light indicators on a fight match is to help a player...like they need help....i mean, at least make specials or projectiles useful in a 3d game.
Killer Instinct was a great game, and using the gameplay taken from that, would be nice, but then again, this is mk..holding block and performing a special move which is only used for combo breakers with a certain punch or kick at the right time could work, depending on the attack of the opponent if it's high, mid, or low, and even throws could be used to counter if the other counters don't work against certain moves.
Enough of comparing mk:da and mk:D
i think that we should be happy if we are fans of mk, and not of fighting games..that at least an mk game will be released. But still at the same time, we expect to see much better things in the future, a.k.a. mk7.
there's a lot of good points on this thread, and again, you could call this a debate not exactly complaining or whining, a debate on gameplay between mk:da and mk:D.
Thank You.

you haven't said anything new

I really think that most of you guys...and espeacially Wanderer should really just shut the fuck up. If you don't like the way the game is made, well I have a solution for you pricks..DON'T BUY IT!!! just stop all the bitchin'. By the way it's just a game...it's not your life(and if it is you have serious issues)....it's not that big of a deal. If you don't like the game than go play some other fighting game. I'm tired of peoples bullshit and bitching on this fucking site ____________________________________________________________ no...i don't think that people should not be able to have somewhat negative comments on MKD..but come on...that's all they talk about.."mkd will suck. mkd engine sucks. etc." So colguile..you can shut the fuck up. Thank you P.S.: Crow can also learn a lesson from this and shut his dumbass mouth also. _________________________________________________________ oh and by the way colguile...i've never done any dumbass petitions..or any of the shit you mentioned.

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SuperGirlGamer Wrote: WTD did I do to your dumbass mymommasmonkey. Did you even read my post? Read it and learn how to understand. I was defending MK...just like you.

He's not defending anything. He's spamming and soon will be banned to my delight.

As for your post: I'm not HARDCORE. Jwong is hardcore. I want a good fighter for a fighting game. This IS a fighting game. i expect a good FIGHTING game. MKDA was not fun if you played with others who knew WTF they were doing.

If you did play MKDA with friends (asssuming you have them) you found the game: Slow, cluncky, repettive, with 70% of the normal attacks and combos useless as well as projectiles.

Are you playing this online? If so, that shit won't fly. I'm plan on getting everything I can out of this game and EXPECT a fairly good product from them considering the amount of time they had to work on this.

If they took out the knock off puzzle fighter and spent time on working on the fighting styles, hit detection, and core gameplay you would not see me here. I'd wait for the game.

P.s.
Also, if the game is going to have to be that way...with the universal combo breakers.and dial a combos...at least have an option in the options menu to satisfy people to remove the combo breakers, this option should also be allowed to be turned off during online mode as well, if people are unsatisfied with it. But then again, we could use a better version of a combo breaker...

All I'm saying is if its fun, its cool with me. I don't need complicated engines or the best graphics. That's why Tekken, and Soul Calibur are there. MK is a different variation of a fighting game. Maybe they're just testing the waters to see what would happen, like many said before me, wait until it comes before you can judge it.

colguile Wrote: SuperGirlGamer Wrote: WTD did I do to your dumbass mymommasmonkey. Did you even read my post? Read it and learn how to understand. I was defending MK...just like you.He's not defending anything. He's spamming and soon will be banned to my delight. As for your post: I'm not HARDCORE. Jwong is hardcore. I want a good fighter for a fighting game. This IS a fighting game. i expect a good FIGHTING game. MKDA was not fun if you played with others who knew WTF they were doing. If you did play MKDA with friends (asssuming you have them) you found the game: Slow, cluncky, repettive, with 70% of the normal attacks and combos useless as well as projectiles. Are you playing this online? If so, that shit won't fly. I'm plan on getting everything I can out of this game and EXPECT a fairly good product from them considering the amount of time they had to work on this. If they took out the knock off puzzle fighter and spent time on working on the fighting styles, hit detection, and core gameplay you would not see me here. I'd wait for the game.

GOD!!! Will you stop knocking everyone who defends Deception. I realize it might not turn out well, but can you please not ridicule people and insult them just to get you're point across? So far, all I can get from you is that you are an arrogant jerk that thinks that everyone should have the same thought process as yourself.

Welcome to MKO btw SuperGamerGirl

Many of us who "hate on DA", and subsequently D, actually give objective, educated ideals and opinions. Some don't. Most importantly, though, all the haters have open eyes. We see wtf is going on and we voice out against it.

I have never in my life seen so many people give such arbitrary, ignorant and irrational arguments towards a particular subject matter as I have these past few months. It's utterly amazing that people cannot see what is going on; it's right in front of you.

It's fine to like something or jock it, but give objective and thought out reasoning as to why you do; especially if you're going to try and argue over it. I was hating on DA as soon as it came out, but I always gave reason as to why. I always looked at both sides. I'm tired of it now, though. All the "haters" are.

It's kind of funny, too. I remember back in the day so many peeps where like "DA is elite!! Don't hate on DA!!" Many of those same peeps have come to see what the very few of us were trying to preach. Now, though, a whorde of peeps have flooded in; younger, less patient and yes, even scrubier. It's a new breed, less willing to learn, to be taught, to become aware.

I've been an MK fan since day one; most of us "haters" have. We will always be MK fans. Above all else, though, we are fighting game fans. We are not willing to submit our selves to a piece of shit over some blind ideal. I guess that's the issue, though. It's the "fighting game fans" who actually express concern; let it be jadded, caustic or not. MK is no longer appealing to a fighter fanbase.

MK brought me, as well as many others, into fighters. As we matured though, MK did not. That's a shame. It's a shame MK is going to loose a substantial part of its root fanbase. A fanbase who, over time, has matured in there needs for a fighter. What's even more shamefull, is that no one seams to give a shit. MK is nothing more than a marketing tool; no susbstance, no soul, just a sales statistic. I'll eat my own nuts if such isn't the case, but at the moment I see no need to begin stretching.

MK Deception will not be a thing like Deadly Alliance. Its already looking different. Better graphics not new but BETTER engine and a bunch of new shit. Don't complain until you get the fuckin game and put it in and play the shit out of it. Until then be quiet cause Boon doen't know us, he doesn't know what we want or what we don't want. He is trying to make a good game just respect that. Ninja Vanish.

Mobster_For_SATAN Wrote: Until then be quiet cause Boon doen't know us, he doesn't know what we want or what we don't want. He is trying to make a good game just respect that. Ninja Vanish.

I would have thought the hundreds of character and fatality threads would have given someone a clue. Those dozen or so gameplay threads, those are another story.

mymommasmonkey Wrote: no...i don't think that people should not be able to have somewhat negative comments on MKD..but come on...that's all they talk about.."mkd will suck. mkd engine sucks. etc." So colguile..you can shut the fuck up. Thank you P.S.: Crow can also learn a lesson from this and shut his dumbass mouth also.

I hope you enjoyed one of your final posts on this site for small minded friend. I am attempting to keep this thread clean so that it may remain open... and it's getting to the point where that is no longer one of my options.

Ok ok ok maybe Boon just watches alittle like maybe he knows what we dream about. That crafty son of a bitch.

Satyagraha Wrote: Many of us who "hate on DA", and subsequently D, actually give objective, educated ideals and opinions. Some don't. Most importantly, though, all the haters have open eyes. We see wtf is going on and we voice out against it. I have never in my life seen so many people give such arbitrary, ignorant and irrational arguments towards a particular subject matter as I have these past few months. It's utterly amazing that people cannot see what is going on; it's right in front of you. It's fine to like something or jock it, but give objective and thought out reasoning as to why you do; especially if you're going to try and argue over it. I was hating on DA as soon as it came out, but I always gave reason as to why. I always looked at both sides. I'm tired of it now, though. All the "haters" are. It's kind of funny, too. I remember back in the day so many peeps where like "DA is elite!! Don't hate on DA!!" Many of those same peeps have come to see what the very few of us were trying to preach. Now, though, a whorde of peeps have flooded in; younger, less patient and yes, even scrubier. It's a new breed, less willing to learn, to be taught, to become aware. I've been an MK fan since day one; most of us "haters" have. We will always be MK fans. Above all else, though, we are fighting game fans. We are not willing to submit our selves to a piece of shit over some blind ideal. I guess that's the issue, though. It's the "fighting game fans" who actually express concern; let it be jadded, caustic or not. MK is no longer appealing to a fighter fanbase. MK brought me, as well as many others, into fighters. As we matured though, MK did not. That's a shame. It's a shame MK is going to loose a substantial part of its root fanbase. A fanbase who, over time, has matured in there needs for a fighter. What's even more shamefull, is that no one seams to give a shit. MK is nothing more than a marketing tool; no susbstance, no soul, just a sales statistic. I'll eat my own nuts if such isn't the case, but at the moment I see no need to begin stretching.

I agree with what you're saying, but there are some people on MKO who like MK simply because it's fun, mindless fun. And that's what MK is and always has been aiming at. MK is a gamer's equivilent of a guilty pleasure. They play it for the enjoyment factor, the fun factor. MK is mindless fun, and nothing more. MK will never become a ligit fighter, accept it and move on.

All this has proven is that Midway don't want to take fighting games seriously, and that Boon and Co have become lazy in terms of gameplay. It is at such a stage that either Boon does some serious rethinking, let someone else take control, go and do MK in RPG format, or see MK go back to the video game grave INDEFINATELY. I don't want to see games fail, especially one that made me want to be in the industry.

But, universal combo breakers aren't going to cut it. Boon should know. Heck, many MK Team members have viewed this site many times, and should of heard our constructive criticism. It doesn't help when you have one in-depth thread about how MK's gameplay can be better, and you have 1000 threads about the "need" of fatalities and extras.

This is really daunting. I was having high hopes about MKD, until now. I thought rayrokka would of shown Boon the light, but he is still in the clouds. Why can't Boon and CO be like Rockstar North? They know that extras aren't going to do well without adding more to gameplay, they learnt that from Vice City.

I think that if Boon wants to prove us wrong, he must DELAY MK Deception so that the MK Team can actually do some WORK on the gameplay and add the essentials of online gaming. Ignore the n00bs, Ed, they wouldn't care if MK only had one attack in the engine. Wake up. If you're not going to do it RIGHT, I guess someone else will. And I would be more than happy if it was me or another REAL MK fan, because we have hopes and dreams of where this franchise can go.

I would like to thank Wanderer and those who have put "legit" arguements forward in this thread. At least you care.

mymommasmonkey Wrote: I really think that most of you guys...and espeacially Wanderer should really just shut the fuck up. If you don't like the way the game is made, well I have a solution for you pricks..DON'T BUY IT!!! just stop all the bitchin'. By the way it's just a game...it's not your life(and if it is you have serious issues)....it's not that big of a deal. If you don't like the game than go play some other fighting game. I'm tired of peoples bullshit and bitching on this fucking site ____________________________________________________________ no...i don't think that people should not be able to have somewhat negative comments on MKD..but come on...that's all they talk about.."mkd will suck. mkd engine sucks. etc." So colguile..you can shut the fuck up. Thank you P.S.: Crow can also learn a lesson from this and shut his dumbass mouth also. _________________________________________________________ oh and by the way colguile...i've never done any dumbass petitions..or any of the shit you mentioned. __________________________________________________________

Get a life, kiddy...

mccauslander Wrote: All this has proven is that Midway don't want to take fighting games seriously, and that Boon and Co have become lazy in terms of gameplay. It is at such a stage that either Boon does some serious rethinking, let someone else take control, go and do MK in RPG format, or see MK go back to the video game grave INDEFINATELY. I don't want to see games fail, especially one that made me want to be in the industry. But, universal combo breakers aren't going to cut it. Boon should know. Heck, many MK Team members have viewed this site many times, and should of heard our constructive criticism. It doesn't help when you have one in-depth thread about how MK's gameplay can be better, and you have 1000 threads about the "need" of fatalities and extras. This is really daunting. I was having high hopes about MKD, until now. I thought rayrokka would of shown Boon the light, but he is still in the clouds. Why can't Boon and CO be like Rockstar North? They know that extras aren't going to do well without adding more to gameplay, they learnt that from Vice City. I think that if Boon wants to prove us wrong, he must DELAY MK Deception so that the MK Team can actually do some WORK on the gameplay and add the essentials of online gaming. Ignore the n00bs, Ed, they wouldn't care if MK only had one attack in the engine. Wake up. If you're not going to do it RIGHT, I guess someone else will. And I would be more than happy if it was me or another REAL MK fan, because we have hopes and dreams of where this franchise can go. I would like to thank Wanderer and those who have put "legit" arguements forward in this thread. At least you care.

IF you meant that last paragraph about people saying they just wanna have fun, oh like me, then your wrong. I do care about gameplay, but not as much as fun. I'm not stupid enough to buy a crappy game. I meant that if I liked something, I would buy it. An example is MK. I like MK. It was one of the games that started getting me to play games. I'm just saying at this point is that I don't have anything against the engine, and I am having my fun with it. But if Boon and Co. actually goes horribly horribly wrong, then I will be one of those people who put "legit" comments forward. I don't have any problems with the engine AS OF NOW, but maybe in the future I will. If it starts to bother the fun, then maybe I will.