here's the thing they aren't making mk2 again this is mk6 so they found some stuff they'd like to change if you don't like it spend the money you would use to purchase the game for more diapers for your whiney ass.

colguile Wrote: The CORE GAMEPLAY is what is wrong. WHY would you build off BAD core gameplay? Street fighters early flaws were not with the core gameplay but more so with glitches. Everything built off the core gameplay was worked in right not to mention TESTED WELL. That spinning kick is in every game becuase its: USEFULL and has a purpose. What is the point of doing a projectile in MKDA? If you don't know why there is little to no point then you really need to stop and get out of this thread. Cause you have no clue what I am complaining about and can't retort. if you do: Take that, add on the fact that boon said he changed jack in MKD and cry in your sleve. I will stop right there and tell you to read the first linked thread and you will see that your arguemnts have already been established.

first of all, there was nothing wrong with MKDA's gameplay. i had fun with it and was sad when i finished playing it, with SF or tekken, i get so sick of it that i stop playing for months until i ppick it up again.

i wasn't complaining about the spinning kick, i always use it too, i am just saying that it's in every game, just like scorpion's spear, they didn't change it, and they shouldn't. i like all those fighting games (except for VF4) i'm just saying that their sequels are always similar to their predecessors.

and about your stupid arguement that those who support MK and don't complain should get out of here, this is a site that supports Mortal Kombat, and i think that if the MK team had a say about it, they would rather kick u out for complaining and whining about every little flaw in the game then someone like me who supports the team and owns all of their games.

Wanderer Wrote: Taken straight from the GamePro article: Deadly Alliance already featured a solid 3D fighting engine, and Deception retains the core elements while adding some key techniques. "One of the comments that we got from the last game was that the role of combos is kinda high," says Boon. "So we added ways to break or get out of combos." When fighting on the ground, you can knock an attacker away in the middle of a combo by simultaneously pressing into them and pressing the block button.

LOLOLOLOL................ wait....this is a joke right?


This sounds terrible....sadly though, it's exactly what I was expecting. I hope it's no where near as easy to do as the reversals in DOA.

Breaking out of a combo while you are being hit.

Because that's what it sounds like....



I'd at least expect it to work like the parry in SC2 or the reversals in Tekken Tag or VF4 where you can only do it while blocking a combo, during a slow combo, or against the first attack.

You should naturally be able to block in the middle of a combo like in every other major fighting game. VF, Tekken, SC


As far as the command goes, I don't care if it's >+Blk, or >+P+K.

To me both ways are just as easy. I just don't want it to be like in DOA3 or KI2. IMO that would just be too easy.



We'll see how it works though, hopefully it's good but I don't know..........It sounds bad the way he described it.

I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that.

I need to see more details to have a better opinion.

SuperGirlGamer Wrote: mccauslander Wrote: All this has proven is that Midway don't want to take fighting games seriously, and that Boon and Co have become lazy in terms of gameplay. It is at such a stage that either Boon does some serious rethinking, let someone else take control, go and do MK in RPG format, or see MK go back to the video game grave INDEFINATELY. I don't want to see games fail, especially one that made me want to be in the industry. But, universal combo breakers aren't going to cut it. Boon should know. Heck, many MK Team members have viewed this site many times, and should of heard our constructive criticism. It doesn't help when you have one in-depth thread about how MK's gameplay can be better, and you have 1000 threads about the "need" of fatalities and extras. This is really daunting. I was having high hopes about MKD, until now. I thought rayrokka would of shown Boon the light, but he is still in the clouds. Why can't Boon and CO be like Rockstar North? They know that extras aren't going to do well without adding more to gameplay, they learnt that from Vice City. I think that if Boon wants to prove us wrong, he must DELAY MK Deception so that the MK Team can actually do some WORK on the gameplay and add the essentials of online gaming. Ignore the n00bs, Ed, they wouldn't care if MK only had one attack in the engine. Wake up. If you're not going to do it RIGHT, I guess someone else will. And I would be more than happy if it was me or another REAL MK fan, because we have hopes and dreams of where this franchise can go. I would like to thank Wanderer and those who have put "legit" arguements forward in this thread. At least you care. IF you meant that last paragraph about people saying they just wanna have fun, oh like me, then your wrong. I do care about gameplay, but not as much as fun. I'm not stupid enough to buy a crappy game. I meant that if I liked something, I would buy it. An example is MK. I like MK. It was one of the games that started getting me to play games. I'm just saying at this point is that I don't have anything against the engine, and I am having my fun with it. But if Boon and Co. actually goes horribly horribly wrong, then I will be one of those people who put "legit" comments forward. I don't have any problems with the engine AS OF NOW, but maybe in the future I will. If it starts to bother the fun, then maybe I will.

It has though. OK, so I haven't played Deception, but I know that nothing much has changed to the engine. Have you actually TRIED to play MKDA with some form of seriousness? Trust me, it isn't fun. The juggles are so dodgy it makes Bloody Roar look good.

And what I said about "legit" arguements, I was targeting certain individuals that were ruining the thread. I wasn't targeting at you.

mccauslander Wrote: It has though. OK, so I haven't played Deception, but I know that nothing much has changed to the engine. Have you actually TRIED to play MKDA with some form of seriousness? Trust me, it isn't fun. The juggles are so dodgy it makes Bloody Roar look good.

What exactly is playing with "some form of seriousness?" You either play a game or you don't, you like a game or you don't. "some form of seriousness" is just more elitist BS. What would be playing a game without a form of seriousness? Wrapping the controller around your crotch while running around the house screaming you're the Messiah? As I've said before in this thread, not liking the engine is one thing, but prettying up your language and trying to sound like there's more to a game then just playing it is nothing but elitist rhetoric.

scarecrow Wrote: mccauslander Wrote: It has though. OK, so I haven't played Deception, but I know that nothing much has changed to the engine. Have you actually TRIED to play MKDA with some form of seriousness? Trust me, it isn't fun. The juggles are so dodgy it makes Bloody Roar look good. What exactly is playing with "some form of seriousness?" You either play a game or you don't, you like a game or you don't. "some form of seriousness" is just more elitist BS. What would be playing a game without a form of seriousness? Wrapping the controller around your crotch while running around the house screaming you're the Messiah? As I've said before in this thread, not liking the engine is one thing, but prettying up your language and trying to sound like there's more to a game then just playing it is nothing but elitist rhetoric.

When I say "seriousness", I mean competiveness, you know, that will get you into tournies. There is more to games then just playing. I know not many people have done so, but using video games to send a message is just the same as sending one through a song or a movie. Metal Gear Solid is a great example, actually it is the ONLY example that comes to mind (that doesn't say that other games haven't done that).

Games are a form of art, it just isn't recognised as one by the masses. Attitudes like yours don't help. I'm not "elitist", heck, I button mash in MvC2. But, I do have passion about games, and I only want them to excel. Especially MK. Sorry if I am too questioning for you. Live a little, you don't have to swallow everything.

BTW, I am getting the Premium Pack. I never said that MKD as a whole would be crap. Just the gameplay could do a lot of fixing up.

Well that was an interesting read, reminds me of how the After playing VF4 etc thread was like before everyone just calmed down and suggested gameplay ideas, ahhh that was fun

Basically I agree very easily with comments by Colguile, Methol and Wanderer.

It is a fact that Deadly Alliance's gameplay was bad and the engine in general was crap, but there are people who still had fun playing it, I have no problem if you did have fun with it but I have to admit having fun with something that is bad does sound a little weird.

Then there are those who are saying Deadly Alliance didn't have bad gameplay and Deception won't because you had fun with deadly Alliance and will do with Deception.

Now that's no problem, if you want to buy that's fine but what the problem is that whenever colguile, Menthol and Wanderer have said something about the gameplay being bad they have used genuine facts about the things you can do using the current MK engine, the things you can't do, and the things you should be able to do.

From what I've seen people on the other side of the arguement haven't done the same, just speak their opinions on the game.

When you put their facts against your opinions the facts will win everytime because with opinions whatever you say there's always something that can be said as different, with facts they cannot be changed they are right.

The examples given towards Deception being bad gameplay wise have been right looking at Deadly Alliance's gameplay, and with everything that has been said so far from videos, interviews etc it seems that apart from a few bad ideas like the combo breakers and the game being made faster nothing gameplay wise has changed.

This makes the problems that Deadly Alliance had STILL valid in discussions about Deception, because not only have Boon + Co gone through there gameplay improvements already, they have already stated that they have spend more time than anything on the mini games.



For those who have said "but MK never was about gameplay, it'll never be a Tekken, Soul Calibur or Virtua Fighter," like me say this

That was ok back in the day when MK was a 2D fighter, it's style suited the genre so that gameplay 2D fighters like Street Fighter could be popular as well as non-gameplay fighter like MK (in reality there shouldn't even be a non-gmaeplay fighter but there you go).

The problem is that MK has now entered the world og the 3D fighter, because of this the rules have changed, the work done on previous games have gone out of the window.

A good 3D fighter is one that has good gameplay, that's why Tekken, Soul Calibur and Virtua Fighter are THE best examples of a 3D fighting game to date.

Whether you choose to ignore that fact or not the bottom line is to be the best 3D fighter you must beat these 3 in the gameplay department, otherwise
it would be a case of

loyal MK fans buying Deception

vs

loyal tekken fans buying Tekken 5 PLUS casual gamers who want the best fighting game

This can be said for Virtua Fighter and Soul Calibur.

It's result will be either one of those beating Deception's sales, if that would continue then MK will be dead a long time before Tekken, Soul Calibur and Virtua Fighter are.

True Deadly Alliance sold well because of it's huge fanbase, that would be expected, because it's been going longer than Tekken, Soul Calibur and Virtua Fighter.

But there will come a time when their fanbases are just as big or even bigger, and their sales will crush MK's, hell it might even already have happened, we'll see when the new installments of Tekken, Virtua Fighter and MK are released.



As for those who are against Wanderer, Colguile and Menthol being here:

If you don't like their aggressive style then listen to the posts of Bleed and Satyagraha, they're less aggressive, but are getting the same point across that some seem to misunderstand as MK hating.

At the end of the day everyone on this site are MK fans, some for other reasons than others, some might have enjoyed the past games, some might be playing the current ones, some might just like the general story but don't go saying they are MK "haters" and shouldn't be here, a fan is a fan whether they like the current game or not.

well all that I can say is if you dont like the game, dont buy it...ill be playin my days away for probly at least 2-3 months before it gets old because of the new konquest stystem and online is gonna take time also. and please people jump away from the game for a second, jump out of your body and look at yourself arguing over how pixels move in a fighting game. i know some of you die hard mk fans are expecting a miracle here but there already have been about 2 times the changes as in tekken 3-4 not including gameplay mechanics. also they cant read our minds so give them some slack they are just human beings too...while i respect your opinions i dont like it when people get angry over useless and to me this is quite useless

MK:DA good. MK:D better.

(keep it simple, stupid!)

Here's a news flash for all of you complainers about what you have to say. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

I've been a fan of the series since I was 5 and that's not changing. Gameplay has never been the main reason why I like Mortal Kombat. It's the characters, the story, the gore. I don't play it for the purpose of playing a deep fighter. I play it because its simple fun and I enjoy the story and atmosphere.

If you think it makes you look intelligent to call me a 'scrub', so be it. But the thing is, I don't consider myself a hardcore 'real fighting game' fan in the first place so it matters not to me what shit you spew.

Have a nice day.

TheTinMan2005 Wrote: Here's a news flash for all of you complainers about what you have to say. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT. I've been a fan of the series since I was 5 and that's not changing. Gameplay has never been the main reason why I like Mortal Kombat. It's the characters, the story, the gore. I don't play it for the purpose of playing a deep fighter. I play it because its simple fun and I enjoy the story and atmosphere. If you think it makes you look intelligent to call me a 'scrub', so be it. But the thing is, I don't consider myself a hardcore 'real fighting game' fan in the first place so it matters not to me what shit you spew. Have a nice day.

Okay then. You're a scrub and couldn't play a fighting game to save your life. Its people like you that make MK have such a terrible fighting engine. All you care about is cosmetics. Hell, MK would be a better RPG with what you people want.

Wanderer Wrote: TheTinMan2005 Wrote: Here's a news flash for all of you complainers about what you have to say. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT. I've been a fan of the series since I was 5 and that's not changing. Gameplay has never been the main reason why I like Mortal Kombat. It's the characters, the story, the gore. I don't play it for the purpose of playing a deep fighter. I play it because its simple fun and I enjoy the story and atmosphere. If you think it makes you look intelligent to call me a 'scrub', so be it. But the thing is, I don't consider myself a hardcore 'real fighting game' fan in the first place so it matters not to me what shit you spew. Have a nice day. Okay then. You're a scrub and couldn't play a fighting game to save your life. Its people like you that make MK have such a terrible fighting engine. All you care about is cosmetics. Hell, MK would be a better RPG with what you people want.

Guess what Wanderer?! I don't give a SHIT if I can play fighting game or not, I'm not a big fighting game fan! I'm an MK fan! I thought you were better than this man. Anybody who rips this game as you have, IMO, should not be here.

And you definitely should not be a mod in an MK chatroom. You sicken me dude. Because of your irresponsibility in making this thread, you have caused a shitstorm that is ruining this game. Not anything Ed Boon says, but your BS on here is putting a bad mark on the game. Like its been stated, wait and see how the game plays.

You still are not clued in as to how the Universal combo breaker will work exactly anyway. Boon might even be leading them on. We could end up with a way improved engine, Deception is the name of the game.

*shakes head* Pathetic.

what the fuck is wrong with you people?

DA was the best MK ever!
it was the best fighting game ever
it had better graphics than that shitty SC2(everyone looked like a cartoony anime)

yes, there were some things wrong with the DA engine...but hrmm..ever think that the improvements that are being made on it will fix those?

remeber, they have the core engine. the core engine was great, the game was fast,brutal and fun.

it keps many people happy, it was a great way to settle bets among friends and u didn't have to resort to button mashing like in other games (SC2,MvC,Guitly gear)


so relax, and enjoy MKD, which will be the best fighting game of its time, just like MKDA was

and if not, then sit around and wait till MK&, or make ur own game, or buy a new game...lots of choices buddy, yet u chose to bitch about something thats already set in stone

they wont work the engine around YOUR needs, when its like 2 months before release.

You're still a little scrub, and you have made no point to prove me otherwise. You obviously do give a shit or you wouldn't respond in the first place trying to tell me off. I know how universal combo breakers work, and either A) Boon/Gamepro can't word anything worth a shit or B) Midway is really fucking lazy. Hell, they even said that gameplay was basically kicked to the curb. I'm glad I'm "ruining the game" so Midway can get off their fucking asses and make a fighting game for once.

I'm longtime fan: not because of blood, fatalities or gore. No, I love MK story, atmpsphere and characters. If I want to play real fighter I will pick VF or tekken. but i love playing MK with my friends and we can't wait for deception. MK was never deep fighter and this ( I'm sorry for that ) won't change. And we'll see how this combo breakers will work in pratice.

Flame wars! HELL YEAH! The virtual mosh pit is hittin' full force! Up to full speed! Beam me up, Scotty! Ha ha ha ha! You guys know how to party! And, for the record, I, too, don't give a SHIT! Ha ha ha ha! I'll buy the damn game anyway! HA HA HA HA!

Wanderer Wrote: You're still a little scrub, and you have made no point to prove me otherwise. You obviously do give a shit or you wouldn't respond in the first place trying to tell me off. I know how universal combo breakers work, and either A) Boon/Gamepro can't word anything worth a shit or B) Midway is really fucking lazy. Hell, they even said that gameplay was basically kicked to the curb. I'm glad I'm "ruining the game" so Midway can get off their fucking asses and make a fighting game for once.

Dude, shut up with the scrub shit.

I think A) might be the case. I don't like how you jump to conclusions, without having played the game. There is no way you really know for sure how the engine will work out until you play the game. Plus Boon is not going to overhaul it this late in production.

Your being arrogant, and disrespectful to this community. We are MK fans just as you, but you fucking spit in our face. I've already said I've played the games for 11 years, own all of them, and the films. Hell I even taped a few episodes of Defenders of the Realm(lol). The community does not deserve to be treated this way, and you have insulted so many of your fellow MK fans in this thread.

Get it through your thick skull: MK was NEVER about deep gameplay. It's based more on the characters/story and gore. It is the type of game a casual fighting game fan can pick up and play with ease, it's always been that way. You have pissed all over MK and MKO with this thread.

You should really leave these forums for doing this shit, you punk. You bitch.

Couple of things wrong with that, mister_satan666:

mister_satan666 Wrote: DA was the best MK ever! it was the best fighting game ever

Far from true, and that is fact.

mister_satan666 Wrote: yes, there were some things wrong with the DA engine...but hrmm..ever think that the improvements that are being made on it will fix those?

They fixed speed, and that's it. They even said that.

mister_satan666 Wrote: remeber, they have the core engine. the core engine was great, the game was fast,brutal and fun. it keps many people happy, it was a great way to settle bets among friends and u didn't have to resort to button mashing like in other games (SC2,MvC,Guitly gear)

The core engine sucked compared to nearly all games (except Bloody Roar, which has an awful engine). And comparing 2D to 3D is like comparing cake and pie. Same premise, completely different. SC2 wasn't a button masher. If you thought it was I wonder what the hell you were doing.

i was winning

and any game where u can beat a pro by button mashing counts as a button masher

and hrmm..i'm wrong..oh wait, i have an opinion.

TheTinMan2005 Wrote: Dude, shut up with the scrub shit. I think A) might be the case. I don't like how you jump to conclusions, without having played the game. There is no way you really know for sure how the engine will work out until you play the game. Plus Boon is not going to overhaul it this late in production. Your being arrogant, and disrespectful to this community. We are MK fans just as you, but you fucking spit in our face. I've already said I've played the games for 11 years, own all of them, and the films. Hell I even taped a few episodes of Defenders of the Realm(lol). The community does not deserve to be treated this way, and you have insulted so many of your fellow MK fans in this thread. Get it through your thick skull: MK was NEVER about deep gameplay. It's based more on the characters/story and gore. It is the type of game a casual fighting game fan can pick up and play with ease, it's always been that way. You have pissed all over MK and MKO with this thread. You should really leave these forums for doing this shit, you punk. You bitch.

For someone who didn't give a shit you seem awfully quick to defend yourself from being called a scrub. I'm glad your'e insulted, because I'm fucking insulted that all of the MK fanboys want is gore. Gore gore gore. Go play GTA for a gore fest, I want a fighting game WITH the gore and story. Not some slapstick engine with blood. I don't want Virtua Fighter MK, I want an MK I can play competitively and be proud of. The only MK game I can say that about is Mortal Kombat II. If you don't give a shit, don't respond, otherwise you're contradicting yourself.

mister_satan666 Wrote: i was winning and any game where u can beat a pro by button mashing counts as a button masher and hrmm..i'm wrong..oh wait, i have an opinion.

The only character I can think of that a button masher could abuse is Maxi (where pressing one button unleashes about six hits). The rest of the fighters are developed enough to overcome button mashing.

well ur wrong

whats with u and being wrong?

oh wait, u just think differently

u dont have facts

JUST AN OPINION!

Thanx Supergirlgamer:)

I was hoping this thread would have died down some, but i see to many you of just wan't flame each other. It would be nice for once and come on this board and see alot more constructive threads, Insteed of these just bashing MKD, it really is sad. Well hopefully soon we see more constructive threads.

I hope alot of you who are excited for MKD will do your own research, before you listen to these negative comments, And think for yourselfs, Dont let other decide what you like, Thanx for listening

DARK_MK OUT

Personally, I think MKDA gameplay was good enough... I'm not especially MK Fan, I'm a globally fighting game fan, and MKDA is one of the best fighting game I've ever played... One matter is sure : MKDA is the best MK for the moment...

mister_satan666, could you go into detail as to how Soul Calibur 2 is a button masher. I mean with the game being freakin roach heaven with the broken step guard...mashing buttons would put you in a even worse position. But then again, you're just some scrub who never played the game at high level.