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10/30/2008 06:10 AM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote: MK IS WHAT STARTED IT ALL BLOOD WISE. It's the king, its the original, why should that change and how does a few other violent games change blood from being an important element in MK and vice versa? Sounds kinda stupid huh?


Because its no longer taboo in gaming and its been ran into fucking ground. Whats more controversial NOW, Sub-Zero ripping a man's head off or Sub-Zero fighting Batman? From the responses on this board and many others... I'm going with Batman.

ProfesserAhnka Wrote:>I'm bi-polar,lol. JK. Its the censoring really and I guess i'm just a little mad about it. I still might get the game but i'm not gung ho, i mean off screen? The only good thing about the game is Sonya, about time midway did her justice. But it feels like midway's selling out.


By your logic Midway already "sold out " 15 years ago when they toned down MK1for the SNES version.

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^^LMAO...dude, havn't you been told about the triple posting thing once before.....wasn't it like 5 pages back....

Anyway. I agree with Von Zombie on this one. No one is saying the blood and gore didn't make MK successful. But it's not what kept it successful. Theres a lot more meat to the franchise (charactars, story, atmosphere, etc.) that kept the series from falling by the wayside(unlike it's ultra violent clones which is all they had going for them).

I admire the passion from everyone on this thread, I really do. But as far as ultra violent goes....MK is not the king of the mountain anymore. Boon has been preaching since the early days of Armageddon that the next game would change everything, "wipe the slate clean" was his exact words. That meant that ultimatly NOTHING was safe....it appears not even the gore. While I will admit that the fatals being watered down is a bummer, the game looks too amazing to ignore DISPITE that reason.


grin Somebody gets it, This franchise has the best universe and characters in the genre (in my opinion,) They don't need the violence, all the MK team really have to do is clean up their mess of a narrative and improve the gameplay and this franchise could finally outgrow the gimmicks that made the franchise famous in the first place.
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10/30/2008 06:13 AM (UTC)
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i'll quadruple post if i want to i don't care who you agree or disagree with
your the one that should get it through your head that mk is all about blood and gore! it doesn't have to be over the top but it must be there! deal with it! thats just the way it is! i'm not the only one who knows so! and by the way just make complaints about me to the people in charge of this website i don't care! have my account cancelled! you shouldn't care what anyone says anyway! your gonna be pleased with the game! its still gonna sell well! you'll be playing the game in a couple of weeks anyways and having fun with it! me and my fellow mk fans won't!


Dude, let me just start off by saying that you seem to be completely out of your mind, and probubly shouldn't be playing M rated games to begin with.

Second, I'm trying to help you out dude. You're the one that got warned about it earlier. Fuck me for showing concern right?

Third, I do care what people say, if I didn't, I obviously wouldn't post on a MESSAGE BOARD. You're the one that seems to be completely void of understanding or caring about any opinions that are different from your own. Every post i've read from you basically breaks down like this.... **with your hands over ears screaming**"BLAH BLAH WAH WAH GORE SHUT UP I"M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG GORE BLOOD MK FANS ANYONE THAT DON"T LIKE GORE IS WRONG"

Fourth, The last part of your little rant is just incoherient, but the last part erks me to no end. Just because my opinion differs from yours makes me NO LESS of an MK fan. I've been playing the series starting from the beginning in the arcades all the way up to the crap fest that was armageddon(which just so happened to include goretongue)

Now you go lead your gore loving flock to your stupid online petition (a waste of time mind you) and I'll go my way. happy interwebbing.
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10/30/2008 06:16 AM (UTC)
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
ProfesserAhnka Wrote: MK IS WHAT STARTED IT ALL BLOOD WISE. It's the king, its the original, why should that change and how does a few other violent games change blood from being an important element in MK and vice versa? Sounds kinda stupid huh?


Because its no longer taboo in gaming and its been ran into fucking ground. Whats more controversial NOW, Sub-Zero ripping a man's head off or Sub-Zero fighting Batman? From the responses on this board and many others... I'm going with Batman.

ProfesserAhnka Wrote:>I'm bi-polar,lol. JK. Its the censoring really and I guess i'm just a little mad about it. I still might get the game but i'm not gung ho, i mean off screen? The only good thing about the game is Sonya, about time midway did her justice. But it feels like midway's selling out.


By your logic Midway already "sold out " 15 years ago when they toned down MK1for the SNES version.

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^^LMAO...dude, havn't you been told about the triple posting thing once before.....wasn't it like 5 pages back....

Anyway. I agree with Von Zombie on this one. No one is saying the blood and gore didn't make MK successful. But it's not what kept it successful. Theres a lot more meat to the franchise (charactars, story, atmosphere, etc.) that kept the series from falling by the wayside(unlike it's ultra violent clones which is all they had going for them).

I admire the passion from everyone on this thread, I really do. But as far as ultra violent goes....MK is not the king of the mountain anymore. Boon has been preaching since the early days of Armageddon that the next game would change everything, "wipe the slate clean" was his exact words. That meant that ultimatly NOTHING was safe....it appears not even the gore. While I will admit that the fatals being watered down is a bummer, the game looks too amazing to ignore DISPITE that reason.


grin Somebody gets it, This franchise has the best universe and characters in the genre (in my opinion,) They don't need the violence, all the MK team really have to do is clean up their mess of a narrative and improve the gameplay and this franchise could finally outgrow the gimmicks that made the franchise famous in the first place.


thats right, (YOUR OPINION)!
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10/30/2008 06:35 AM (UTC)
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Detox Wrote:
quanscorptile Wrote:
i'll quadruple post if i want to i don't care who you agree or disagree with
your the one that should get it through your head that mk is all about blood and gore! it doesn't have to be over the top but it must be there! deal with it! thats just the way it is! i'm not the only one who knows so! and by the way just make complaints about me to the people in charge of this website i don't care! have my account cancelled! you shouldn't care what anyone says anyway! your gonna be pleased with the game! its still gonna sell well! you'll be playing the game in a couple of weeks anyways and having fun with it! me and my fellow mk fans won't!


Dude, let me just start off by saying that you seem to be completely out of your mind, and probubly shouldn't be playing M rated games to begin with.

Second, I'm trying to help you out dude. You're the one that got warned about it earlier. Fuck me for showing concern right?

Third, I do care what people say, if I didn't, I obviously wouldn't post on a MESSAGE BOARD. You're the one that seems to be completely void of understanding or caring about any opinions that are different from your own. Every post i've read from you basically breaks down like this.... **with your hands over ears screaming**"BLAH BLAH WAH WAH GORE SHUT UP I"M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG GORE BLOOD MK FANS ANYONE THAT DON"T LIKE GORE IS WRONG"

Fourth, The last part of your little rant is just incoherient, but the last part erks me to no end. Just because my opinion differs from yours makes me NO LESS of an MK fan. I've been playing the series starting from the beginning in the arcades all the way up to the crap fest that was armageddon(which just so happened to include goretongue)

Now you go lead your gore loving flock to your stupid online petition (a waste of time mind you) and I'll go my way. happy interwebbing.


i agree with you on some parts of your statement, i hated armageddon with a passion! no signature fatalities were shown in that game, everyone had the same move. as for as you judging me, i think its funny i'm the one who is right and if i wasn't reading the posts, how could i reply? and whats the crap with the ears? you act like a spoiled child! its opinions being expressed! you need to just realize its the gameplay i'm interested in. without it theres basically no game! mk is the only game i like thats rated m, i'm not really a big fan of the other ones. i will say i'm sorry if you took me wrong or if i misled you into thinking that i'm some syked out maniac, i'm just a huge fan of the mk series, and this greatly upsets me that the main part was taken away!
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10/30/2008 06:48 AM (UTC)
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Joe-Von-Zombie, you Subman, Jerrod, and a bunch of others have been right from the beginning. Just let it go, there is no point in arguing with the big baby... someone will try and squeeze in the last word, the argument will escalate and it will get absolutely nowhere with no possible means of an end. I've tried numerous times to make him realize how wrong and pathetic he is for the most part with his faulty points (HI GAIS XMAN WULD MAKE BETTER GAMZ!!!!!!!!!) and incoherent posts (DUN MAKE ME SLAPS U!!!!!!!!) with unnecessary use of CAPS and !!!!... it's no use. A lot of people hate the game, even so people like WarriorPrincess bring points in a respective coherent response one could agree/disagree to with one's own statement. Let him throw his whiney, childish little hissy-fits and argue with himself over a silly fatality censorship, while the rest of us can get back on topic. I think even your buddy queve is starting to realize what a little sour-puss you are. I'm dying to read your response, RAWR!
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10/30/2008 06:54 AM (UTC)
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10/30/2008 09:23 AM (UTC)
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
grin Somebody gets it, This franchise has the best universe and characters in the genre (in my opinion,) They don't need the violence, all the MK team really have to do is clean up their mess of a narrative and improve the gameplay and this franchise could finally outgrow the gimmicks that made the franchise famous in the first place.
you know i think this really does depend on what degree of fan is playing the game.

while someone like me who's been a fan of the franchise and would love for them to move away from the some of the more silly over the top ultraviolent things most casual mortal kombat fans would pick it up bring it home and say what the cock is this shit.

so even though the violence and super gorey stuff is what made if famous and set it apart from other fighting games in the past it still needs that aspect to appeal to the casual MK fan.

also i still think it needs that to set it apart from any other fighting game. even though violence in video games isn't the novelty it used to be MK is pretty much still the only major fighting game of it's kind. you cannot destroy your enemy in any other game like you can in mortal kombat.
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10/30/2008 09:43 AM (UTC)
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oracle Wrote:
Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
grin Somebody gets it, This franchise has the best universe and characters in the genre (in my opinion,) They don't need the violence, all the MK team really have to do is clean up their mess of a narrative and improve the gameplay and this franchise could finally outgrow the gimmicks that made the franchise famous in the first place.
you know i think this really does depend on what degree of fan is playing the game.

while someone like me who's been a fan of the franchise and would love for them to move away from the some of the more silly over the top ultraviolent things most casual mortal kombat fans would pick it up bring it home and say what the cock is this shit.

so even though the violence and super gorey stuff is what made if famous and set it apart from other fighting games in the past it still needs that aspect to appeal to the casual MK fan.

also i still think it needs that to set it apart from any other fighting game. even though violence in video games isn't the novelty it used to be MK is pretty much still the only major fighting game of it's kind. you cannot destroy your enemy in any other game like you can in mortal kombat.


The casual MK fan has been catered to long enough and in my opinion is why this franchise was in the crapper in the first place.
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10/30/2008 02:23 PM (UTC)
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i'll quadruple post if i want to i don't care who you agree or disagree with

No you won't if you want to, it's if we want you to or not, and by we, I mean the guys who actually make the rules around here. You either learn to edit your posts around here to incorporate more than one reply into them using the Edit feature we have specifically for this, or you find yourself a new MK forum to post in.
I usually edit multi-posts, but seriously, this is too much, so I'm just going to give you a warning; if I catch any more multi-posting on your part, whether it be in this thread or elsewhere, you'll lose your posting privileges.
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10/30/2008 03:19 PM (UTC)
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Jerrod Wrote:
quanscorptile Wrote:
i'll quadruple post if i want to i don't care who you agree or disagree with

No you won't if you want to, it's if we want you to or not, and by we, I mean the guys who actually make the rules around here. You either learn to edit your posts around here to incorporate more than one reply into them using the Edit feature we have specifically for this, or you find yourself a new MK forum to post in.
I usually edit multi-posts, but seriously, this is too much, so I'm just going to give you a warning; if I catch any more multi-posting on your part, whether it be in this thread or elsewhere, you'll lose your posting privileges.


as i've said before go ahead and do what you want to. i thought i made that clear a few pages back, although i can see your shallowness. you or someone else told me the same thing yet i'm still here posting messages. put a stop to it immediately see if i care. just pretend your a pair of nike shoes JUST DO IT!!!
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10/30/2008 03:52 PM (UTC)
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i'm deleting my account anyway since your obviously not going to. so to my fellow mk fans who really know what mk should be, so long. hope that within the next two years we'll get the game that we want. although i seriously doubt it! so long friends.
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10/30/2008 03:54 PM (UTC)
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10/31/2008 01:59 AM (UTC)
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quanscorptile Wrote:
you need to just realize its the gameplay i'm interested in. without it theres basically no game! mk is the only game i like thats rated m, i'm not really a big fan of the other ones. i will say i'm sorry if you took me wrong or if i misled you into thinking that i'm some syked out maniac, i'm just a huge fan of the mk series, and this greatly upsets me that the main part was taken away!



That is the complete opposite of everything you've said this entire topic. If you did only really care about the gameplay, you'd be much happier about what you see instead of bitching about blood and gore. But anyway, if you are really gone, so long. No matter how much i've dissagreed, I respect your opinions.
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10/31/2008 03:32 AM (UTC)
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For everyone debating about "selling out":

Midway sold out when they signed the deal with DC. That was them basically saying that they can't resurrect MK without the DC label on the packaging.
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10/31/2008 04:03 AM (UTC)
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WTF is up with all this selling out Bullshit...
Midway is a corporation, they do what they want and what they feel will make them the most money. Look what the Mk team has been doing for years with all game characters. We always have Sub-Zero and Scorpion, Fan favorites. They listen to us, if they had "Sold Out", which I don't think they can actually do, then they would have stopped listening to the fans :D

Anyway... yea I could give two fucks about the toning down of the fatalities, the ultra violence isn't what makes the series. If anything other than the characters/ Plot/ and game play, it would be the fatalities which are still there, and for a Teen rated game we're lucky. I don't think anyone should be complaining at this point everything looks great so far and this will all probably end with everyone bitching on here with a copy at home. :D Pretty much anyone who is complaining now is just looking for a reason to.

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10/31/2008 05:28 AM (UTC)
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I'm not having to look very far....

... but I'll think positive. This game, after all, has Free-Fall Kombat and Klose Kombat, and everyone knows that's what MK fans have desperately been begging for. That and the Big Red Cheese.
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10/31/2008 05:36 AM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
I'm not having to look very far....

... but I'll think positive. This game, after all, has Free-Fall Kombat and Klose Kombat, and everyone knows that's what MK fans have desperately been begging for. That and the Big Red Cheese.

It also has escapable throws, wake up options and no longer features dial ups.
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10/31/2008 05:41 AM (UTC)
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
Garlador Wrote:
I'm not having to look very far....

... but I'll think positive. This game, after all, has Free-Fall Kombat and Klose Kombat, and everyone knows that's what MK fans have desperately been begging for. That and the Big Red Cheese.

It also has escapable throws, wake up options and no longer features dial ups.


I'm just being snarky on my B-day. I am quite happy that the dial-a-combos are getting axed in favor of a free-form cmbat system, and grab's are no longer guarnateed hits. The wake-up options still seem a tad too limited, and the lack of true, viable counters remains disappointing, but at least they're there in some format.

Now if we could just get that "blood" code like the Genesis days...

In related news, Fighters Generation finally picked up on the "toned down" MK vs. DC news and was quick to have some fun....
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10/31/2008 06:04 AM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
Garlador Wrote:
I'm not having to look very far....

... but I'll think positive. This game, after all, has Free-Fall Kombat and Klose Kombat, and everyone knows that's what MK fans have desperately been begging for. That and the Big Red Cheese.

It also has escapable throws, wake up options and no longer features dial ups.


I'm just being snarky on my B-day. I am quite happy that the dial-a-combos are getting axed in favor of a free-form cmbat system, and grab's are no longer guarnateed hits. The wake-up options still seem a tad too limited, and the lack of true, viable counters remains disappointing, but at least they're there in some format.

Now if we could just get that "blood" code like the Genesis days...

In related news, Fighters Generation finally picked up on the "toned down" MK vs. DC news and was quick to have some fun....

Fair enough and happy birthday sir.grin
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10/31/2008 12:40 PM (UTC)
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For everyone debating about "selling out":

Midway sold out when they signed the deal with DC. That was them basically saying that they can't resurrect MK without the DC label on the packaging.


A shame. MK, 1992-2008...American herosad
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10/31/2008 12:44 PM (UTC)
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WTF is up with all this selling out Bullshit...
Midway is a corporation, they do what they want and what they feel will make them the most money. Look what the Mk team has been doing for years with all game characters. We always have Sub-Zero and Scorpion, Fan favorites. They listen to us, if they had "Sold Out", which I don't think they can actually do, then they would have stopped listening to the fans :D

Anyway... yea I could give two fucks about the toning down of the fatalities, the ultra violence isn't what makes the series. If anything other than the characters/ Plot/ and game play, it would be the fatalities which are still there, and for a Teen rated game we're lucky. I don't think anyone should be complaining at this point everything looks great so far and this will all probably end with everyone bitching on here with a copy at home. :D Pretty much anyone who is complaining now is just looking for a reason to.

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Yeah thats right, use the "we're lucky card". No, THEY should feel lucky that they still got their fanboys around who are blinded by the same ole gameplay just with a few additions to throw you all off task(though many of you already are). I just can't wait untill you guys get the game and realize that this is the fourth time you have brought and played the same game,lol. I'll be awaiting your apologys when you get the game. Any way, i'm out, I proved my points a dosen times and won. I must now skedettle with my dignity and my victorieswink
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10/31/2008 06:41 PM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
Shaggsta Wrote:
WTF is up with all this selling out Bullshit...
Midway is a corporation, they do what they want and what they feel will make them the most money. Look what the Mk team has been doing for years with all game characters. We always have Sub-Zero and Scorpion, Fan favorites. They listen to us, if they had "Sold Out", which I don't think they can actually do, then they would have stopped listening to the fans :D

Anyway... yea I could give two fucks about the toning down of the fatalities, the ultra violence isn't what makes the series. If anything other than the characters/ Plot/ and game play, it would be the fatalities which are still there, and for a Teen rated game we're lucky. I don't think anyone should be complaining at this point everything looks great so far and this will all probably end with everyone bitching on here with a copy at home. :D Pretty much anyone who is complaining now is just looking for a reason to.

furious


Yeah thats right, use the "we're lucky card". No, THEY should feel lucky that they still got their fanboys around who are blinded by the same ole gameplay just with a few additions to throw you all off task(though many of you already are). I just can't wait untill you guys get the game and realize that this is the fourth time you have brought and played the same game,lol. I'll be awaiting your apologys when you get the game. Any way, i'm out, I proved my points a dosen times and won. I must now skedettle with my dignity and my victorieswink


What victories? You got owned at every turn especially in that laughable Marvel thread you started and as I've said before. By your logic Midway already "sold out " 15 years ago when they toned down MK1for the SNES version.
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10/31/2008 06:45 PM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
For everyone debating about "selling out":

Midway sold out when they signed the deal with DC. That was them basically saying that they can't resurrect MK without the DC label on the packaging.


Dude, they sold out the very day they decided to kill Liu Kang.

Fortunately for them, there are crazies like me who've remained loyal all these years.
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10/31/2008 06:50 PM (UTC)
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Riyakou Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
For everyone debating about "selling out":

Midway sold out when they signed the deal with DC. That was them basically saying that they can't resurrect MK without the DC label on the packaging.


Dude, they sold out the very day they decided to kill Liu Kang.

Fortunately for them, there are crazies like me who've remained loyal all these years.


WHAT? The death of Liu Kang was awesome, where they fucked up was bringing him back as a damn zombie.
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