People, unfortunately, Midway has completely debunked what this guy's so-called 'email from Vogel' stated; not only are there no bios in the game, but there never WERE any, to begin with. So, as much as I hate to say it, a petition to get them to release bios won't work, as it's unlikely that they'd agree to put in additional manhours to make essentially 'free' content for a game that has already been released. Really, our only hope, right now, is if the MK team defect from Midway, take the franchise with them, and set up shop somewhere else for the next game. That, and ditch Boon and maybe Vogel, along the way. That way, they can take as much time as needed to make MK8 the right way, and possibly even treat MKA as non-canon.

That idea is fucking awesome! I would love to see something like that for MK.

First of all, Midway's statement did NOT debunk Vogel's. It simply stated that there are no bios in the game. It does not confirm that none would ever BE written if fan demand was high enough, as the e-mail suggested.
There won't be any printed material like a bible, that would cost money for Midway to produce.

And putting your faith in those bios showing up on the Wii is just setting yourself up for another heartbreak.

If you want storyline, you need to let Midway know, don't just sit here and hope and come up with theories and bitch at each other. SEND THEM THE MESSAGE. And not as a goddamn petition, nobody takes those seriously. Explain politely and in detail how important the storyline is to the MK franchise and to us, their loyal customers. Ask them to provide the missing story online, which would be free and nearly effortless for them to do.
If enough of us do this, even if the bios don't go online, they will show up somewhere, because that's the nature of supply and demand. Let them know what we want and if they can find a way to make a profit from it, they'll do it. And if they believe the LACK of bios will hurt MKA's bottom line, then they'll get them out on that website in the interest of boosting their sales.

I have nothing against Nintendo, but I would be very pissed if only Wii version have bios...

Let's see...



This seems to clearly indicate that bios HAVE been written, but weren't allowed to be put into the game.



THIS cleary indicates that the bios dont' exist in ANY form, in or out of the game.

So, we've got a contradiction, here, and if this site got it straight from the horse's mouth that the bios do not exist, then clearly the supposed email from Vogel is lying. And, again, even with a petition, the game has already been released, and the decision has already been made to not have the bios, so it's very doubtful that they'd agree to take time to reverse their decision FOR FREE JUST to make their fans happy, fans that - if they REALLY wanted to appeal to - would've already HAD the bios, in the first place. Again, look at the Fable fiasco; even with the bitching from fans, The Lost Chapters didn't bring any more of the items they were promised by Lionhead to the table, and the formal apology didn't do squat to give the fans what they wanted. I don't like it any more than you do, but let's face facts here: it's a lost cause, it's never going to happen, let's start hoping for MK8 to be better, than dwelling on the shortcomings of this game, because that's about the ONLY thing we can do, at this point.

Maybe he made the Bios and just never ended up pitching them to Midway. You know when they contact Midway, it's not like Midway calls John Vogel and says, "Hey, John? Did you end up writing any bios for that game?" All they do is look at the paperwork and say, "Nope, we don't have any plans in releasing bios."

It would be better than it not having bios. It would also help out for what's canon and what's not and it would make it official because it was in a game, and not just online.

"the word from our Midway sources is that there are no existing biographies for characters in MK: Armageddon."

That's some pretty vague wording. If that's exactly the phrase used by the source, then all it could mean is "there are no bios IN the game" which we already knew.

Furthermore,John seems to indicate that they had BEGUN writing when the order came down, meaning SOME bios are done and others would need to be.

You can sit there and say "Eh, let's hope MK8 doesn't suck" but that complacency shit is what lets Midway get away with giving us the shaft in the first place.

Besides, MK8 may not have anything to do with the story of Outworld and Edenia and Earthrealm, it could be a complete goddamn new universe. Then how the hell will we ever have closure, hmm?

What harm could it do to take fifteen fucking minutes out of your day to write an e-mail, even if you don't care all that much, to help the community out? Even if it doesn't work, we'll never know unless we TRY.

I agree with the guy above me, this is one instance where I dont care if anyone gets exclusive bios, as long as there is bios is what matters to me.

Not saying that I WANT to be complacent with this, just that we have no choice BUT to be complacent about it, at least with THIS game. Seriously, if Midway boycotted the bios from the actual game, do you really think that they'd agree to post the bios online? I highly doubt it. Now, starting a petition to make MK8 better than this, we can do, since the game's stiill in its early stages, and our voice can actually do something to keep it from being a complete waste of programming like Armageddon was, but this game? The best we can hope for, is to annoy the fuck out of them to the point where they release a 'special programmer's cut' of the game, like they did with MK3 and MK4, but considering how badly MK Trilogy and MK Gold were received...face it, it's a waste of time and effort that could go to better use ensuring that the NEXT game gets done right. I'm as pissed about this as you, but once a game's gone gold, that's it; it's out of our hands and the hands of the programmers. If Midway wanted to release the bios, they would've done it in the game, and if their official word is that no bios exist, then no bios exist, PERIOD, and there's a snowball's chance in hell that we'd be able to convince them to whip some up, especially when doing so would take up THEIR time and money that they could be using developing the next game, only to post it up FOR FREE on their website. There's no pay-off for them to do so, and since this game was obviously meant to make a quick buck, Midway won't do it if there's no payment coming in for it.

this is gay. i mean, they NEED to put the bios online or in the wii version or something i mean, since when did

and since when did


they need to explain alot! or just consider this game non-canon.. that i can live with....

I just sent them a polite letter. I'm not expecting anything, but hey it can't hurt to try.

I can see it now, MK8 is gonna turn out to be a new universe or a complete reboot and when it does, I hope you'll be happy that you didn't do your part to see THIS universe get a proper send-off.

The real shame of it is Taven and Daegon are actually decent characters and I'd like to see them become considered a proper part of the MK Universe, but how can we even consider Armageddon canonical when it makes no sense?

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I'm also missing Cyrax's geen net...............


You and me both, homie.

I hope you and the rest of the Veruca Salt MK fans fall into the ******* incinerator. Whiny turds.

CANONICAL is a Catholic term referring to books of the Bible. This is a videogame. The term does not apply to mish-mashed works of narrative fiction. MK has never made any ******* sense. Get over it now.

You misunderstood. I'm saying that there's no point complaining to Midway to give us bios for THIS game, because if they didn't add them in in the first place, they won't ever do so, but that doesn't mean that we have to consider the game canonical. We CAN pressure them into ignoring this game, and make MK8 the TRUE finale for the series. Honestly, with a shipwreck such as this, would you rather stick around and try to get Midway to patch up the holes, or abandon ship, forget the whole fiasco, and whip Midway into making the next ship just as good or better as the games prior to MKA? The logical choice is the latter, especially since there will be no real profit for them to MAKE bios AFTER the fact. Midway has moved on to their next project, and after the poor performance of their past 'updates' (MK Trilogy and MK Gold), there's no way in hell they'll return to improve on this game. About the only thing we CAN do is to cut our losses, consider the game non-canonical, and pressure Midway into doing the same and make MK8 what they promised us MKA would be.

1) Explaining how all these characters came back to life etc. would be insanely hard.

2) Writing bios that didn't contradict each other would be even harder.

Just think of it as an alternate universe, or a rift in the time-space continueum, or the Elder Gods brang them all back just for kicks and giggles . Bios and proper endings would be nice but it's proably going to be explained in MK8. I just think people over-estimated this game a little too much.

I give full support to an MK Anthology. (I don't think Bible is the right word beacause Bible stands for "Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth")

was cyrax green net in ANY of the last 3 mks? cuz i really miss it and it seems like i used it on 3d before but my friend said it was last on mk3.

Nope, it isn't. Dunno the official word on it, but rumors claim that problems with transitioning it to 3D prevented it from showing up. Considering how they brought Scorpion's Spear, Sub-Zero's Ice Ball, and most of the other characters' projectiles in just fine (even Cyrax's bombs), though, I call that rumor bullshit.

Not for a good writer. It would take less than a day to write one paragraph for all 60+ characters. Seriously, writing isn't that hard--unless your lazy.

Wow, Im hearing alot of negativity over this game. I just picked up my copy today as it wa delayed for xbox here in Canada.

Now Im wondering if i should open it or return it since even a man who helpedmake the game is dissappointed in it.

This is not good.

What do you guys say? return it or open it and play it?

Oh yeah, I know from experience. Although writing 60+ short paragraph biographies would probably take more than a day, just to ensure that there are no inconsistencies and loop-holes.

So, Vogel got in trouble for a fake email that can't even be confirmed that it came from him, and now we can't post anything else that he says, because he wants to keep his job. Uh-huh. Right.

This is such bullshit. The guy that posted the email is clearly fucking with us, and in order to prevent a backlash of hate against him after his info has been proven false, he's claiming that Vogel himself told him not to repost it. Tell you what: give us Vogel's private email so we can confirm for ourselves if the email is real or not. If you're right, and it IS real, then you get some points. If not, I say he gets a skull and a warning for purposely deceiving the community with this shit.

Synjo,

Hey, I think the email is legit, after he made the post I PMd nintendofan for Vogel's email address because I run a storyline guide on gamefaqs.com and thought I could add some weight in getting those bios online. He gave it to me under the condition I dont give it out, anyways I sent an email, which happened to be a midway address and I didnt get the mail returned or error messages of it being a fake email. The email address is real, though I cant really vouch if he really talked to Vogel.