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02/27/2007 05:55 PM (UTC)
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if you remember Jax's ending, Jax says to Jarek before he is dropped, "wrong Jarek, this is not brutality, this is a fatality".


Hah, I remember that, with the cheesy Fatality music played after it.
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02/27/2007 06:08 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Ninja_Mime: Jarek is clearly evil.....


No. He's clearly working for himself, and only himself, doing what he feels is right. Just because he's with Quan Chi, and Quan Chi is evil, does not make him evil himself.

At least that's what I like to think.
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02/27/2007 06:22 PM (UTC)
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WTF. I thought a fatality was where you just brutally killed an opponent anyway possible. Not to where you learn it. I guess not.
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02/27/2007 06:30 PM (UTC)
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Ninja_Mime Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Ninja_Mime: Jarek is clearly evil.....

No. He's clearly working for himself, and only himself, doing what he feels is right. Just because he's with Quan Chi, and Quan Chi is evil, does not make him evil himself.
At least that's what I like to think.

I think the whole "practiced my new fatalities on the good people of the realms" thing makes him pretty evil.


Anyway, I think it's very goofy that he's referring to "Fatalities" like they're an actual legitimate title for moves. And his motivation...."I'm pissed and want to kill everyone"....is pretty shallow.

But I'm going to have agree with some of the other users here.....it's just Jarek. What were we expecting? They can't ALL be stars. On the list of characters who are going to get the most story attention, I'm not at all upset that Jarek was apparently near the bottem.
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02/27/2007 06:48 PM (UTC)
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02/27/2007 09:29 PM (UTC)
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I'm a little disppointed reading some of the posts here. I understand where some are coming from when they say Jarek was only a filler character or something to that extent, but I do not see why this means he should be subject to a dire bio or anything less than that of someone like Raiden, Sonya, Kitana etc. The point you say he's just a filler character and why expect more from his story is the point where you pretty say you'll accept half arsed nonsense as a story for him and whoever else. Which means the characters you view as more important than Jarek may just get the same treatment. Isn't that what we got for the endings and we weren't happy?
Filler character or not, they should all share the same treatment story wise and the bios should reflect good story telling and this bio for Jarek is not that. I won't accept rubbish as a bio or ending and I don't believe anyne else should either. If it's bad say so. Don't dismiss it just because you think the character wasn't worth the time taken on him or her.
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02/27/2007 11:47 PM (UTC)
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Great, Jarek can enhance his "new" fatalities.

Fatalities that everyone also possesses in MKA.

rofl.
Mulling it over some more, I think I'm pretty much dead center on this one. I can perfectly see where both sides are coming from. On the one hand, yeah he's a filler character, and if you think about it what he's got for a story here isn't all that bad by filler standards. And it also simultaneously covers what happened to him in his last appearance, where he's been and what he's been up to all this time, and even takes him in a direction away from his Kano-clone roots. Pretty sweet deal there.

But I also see what people like Queve are getting at too; just because a character was filler before doesn't mean they can't become something more. I mean look at Noob Saibot; he went from random joke bonus character to a MAJOR supporting role with a tremendous backstory and a ton of dramatic weight. That's quite a rags to riches scenario. And technically almost anyone in these games is capable of that; I certainly think Rain, Sareena, Havik, and other largely unsung characters have a ton of story potential that can be exploited in future games. Again almost. *coughMokapcough*.

And yeah ]{0MBAT, the bio does make sense in that regard. I don't know why anyone expected Jarek to be all gung ho with the Black Dragon again. Should be fairly obvious based on his appearance alone, never mind that the version of the clan he was a member of died years ago. Again people gotta remember something: the Black Dragon clan with Kabal, Kira, and Kobra that we got now is a TOTALLY different crew than the guys Kano and Jarek ran around with in the old games. The old classic Black Dragon has long been done for. Yeah Kabal was once a member of the old gang too, but when they died (and after a brief vigilante stint) he started the current one, and their aims are totally different; anarchy as opposed to profit.
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02/28/2007 12:18 AM (UTC)
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Great, Jarek can enhance his "new" fatalities.

Fatalities that everyone also possesses in MKA.

rofl.


Haha, yup. He's only now learning and getting off on something that apparently every other character in the MK universe already knew how to do.
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02/28/2007 12:52 AM (UTC)
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rofl

I was also thinking. When Jax said "this isn't a brutality, this is a fatality" maybe the word "fatality" got stuck into Jarek's head. That's why he's obsessed with fatalities.

But still that's very lame.
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rofl

I was also thinking. When Jax said "this isn't a brutality, this is a fatality" maybe the word "fatality" got stuck into Jarek's head. That's why he's obsessed with fatalities.

But still that's very lame.


Ha! I hadn't even thought of that. Very perceptive.

Incidentally, the whole use of the word "Fatality" by Jarek/Jax doesn't bother me. Is it cheesy? Certainly. But I think people are quick to forget that MK has it's roots in cheesy martial arts flicks. The primary inspirations for the first game were Enter the Dragon and Big Trouble in Little China for crying out loud. MK as we know it wouldn't have been what it was without cheese. It's been that way with the series since day one for the past 14/15 years now; it's a little late to get all "taste snooty" about it now.
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02/28/2007 03:13 AM (UTC)
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tgrant Wrote:
I'm a little disppointed reading some of the posts here. I understand where some are coming from when they say Jarek was only a filler character or something to that extent, but I do not see why this means he should be subject to a dire bio or anything less than that of someone like Raiden, Sonya, Kitana etc. The point you say he's just a filler character and why expect more from his story is the point where you pretty say you'll accept half arsed nonsense as a story for him and whoever else. Which means the characters you view as more important than Jarek may just get the same treatment. Isn't that what we got for the endings and we weren't happy?
Filler character or not, they should all share the same treatment story wise and the bios should reflect good story telling and this bio for Jarek is not that. I won't accept rubbish as a bio or ending and I don't believe anyne else should either. If it's bad say so. Don't dismiss it just because you think the character wasn't worth the time taken on him or her.


Very well said.

That’s exactly my point.

It truly gets irritating to see the acceptance of mediocre results because of un-essential and illogical reasons.

Throwing-Dissabled Wrote:

But I also see what people like Queve are getting at too; just because a character was filler before doesn't mean they can't become something more. I mean look at Noob Saibot; he went from random joke bonus character to a MAJOR supporting role with a tremendous backstory and a ton of dramatic weight. That's quite a rags to riches scenario. And technically almost anyone in these games is capable of that; I certainly think Rain, Sareena, Havik, and other largely unsung characters have a ton of story potential that can be exploited in future games. Again almost. *coughMokapcough*.



Exactly.
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02/28/2007 03:14 AM (UTC)
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Interesting, given his character in the first place which isn't that big to begin with.

This like like Rain's people shouldn't expect that MUCH from a smaller character in the MK universe personally, but I like his bio.I also use him in MK:A a bit also.

And for the record, his weapon was knives and that spinning predator like thing that he could have gripped with on the wall in MK4 for those of you wondering.

Before his kickaxe in MK:A.

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I like it given the importance of his overall character, I like it and makes me wonder about his ending now him killing everyone pretty much.
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02/28/2007 03:24 AM (UTC)
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Ok, I know a lot of you are smart and analyze these bios, then ANSWER ME THIS!

This bio confirms one specific action, Jax threw Jarek off that cliff.

Ok, fine. However, play MK4 and watch the endings for Sonya, Jarek, and Jax. You will notice that Jax throwing Jarek off only happens in Jax's ending, and so by that we're to believe that's the canon result. Ok, but watch that ending and you'll notice one little thing...

Jarek threw Sonya off the cliff PRIOR to Jax throwing Jarek off the cliff!

PLOTHOLE

Sonya's ending, she threw Jarek off the cliff, but since we now know it was Jax, her ending is invalid.

Jarek's ending has him throwing Sonya off the cliff and walking away, but since Jax caught him, his ending is invalid.

Since Jax's MK4 ending is the one confirmed out of the three, there is now the issue of what happened to Sonya when Jarek threw her over the edge. It can't be denied now, they've confirmed what Jax did, and MK4 shows it happening after Sonya fell. So really, what the hell happened between then and MKDA? There was no mention at all since then. Shouldn't Sonya be dead? Did a wizard do it?

I have ruined the MK storyline. I apologize, but after thinking about this it needs to be discussed now. This is a HUGE hole in the MK storyline. They may answer it with Sonya's bio since Jarek is in this game, who knows.

FILL IN THIS PLOTHOLE FOR GREAT JUSTICE
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02/28/2007 03:28 AM (UTC)
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Peanut_Butter_Jelly Wrote:
rofl

I was also thinking. When Jax said "this isn't a brutality, this is a fatality" maybe the word "fatality" got stuck into Jarek's head. That's why he's obsessed with fatalities.

But still that's very lame.

Never thought of that, maybe when he fell off the cliff, he went insane and went on a rampage.
I guess they cannned the fact that Jarek threw sonya off the clip.
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02/28/2007 03:46 AM (UTC)
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The_Purple_Bunny Wrote:
Ok, I know a lot of you are smart and analyze these bios, then ANSWER ME THIS!

This bio confirms one specific action, Jax threw Jarek off that cliff.

Ok, fine. However, play MK4 and watch the endings for Sonya, Jarek, and Jax. You will notice that Jax throwing Jarek off only happens in Jax's ending, and so by that we're to believe that's the canon result. Ok, but watch that ending and you'll notice one little thing...

Jarek threw Sonya off the cliff PRIOR to Jax throwing Jarek off the cliff!

PLOTHOLE

Sonya's ending, she threw Jarek off the cliff, but since we now know it was Jax, her ending is invalid.

Jarek's ending has him throwing Sonya off the cliff and walking away, but since Jax caught him, his ending is invalid.

Since Jax's MK4 ending is the one confirmed out of the three, there is now the issue of what happened to Sonya when Jarek threw her over the edge. It can't be denied now, they've confirmed what Jax did, and MK4 shows it happening after Sonya fell. So really, what the hell happened between then and MKDA? There was no mention at all since then. Shouldn't Sonya be dead? Did a wizard do it?

I have ruined the MK storyline. I apologize, but after thinking about this it needs to be discussed now. This is a HUGE hole in the MK storyline. They may answer it with Sonya's bio since Jarek is in this game, who knows.

FILL IN THIS PLOTHOLE FOR GREAT JUSTICE


Quite simple. Just as Johnny Cage "never died", Sonya just "wasn't around" for that. Jax and Jarek had a tiff, and it ended with Jarek going overboard. Everything happened minus any mention of Sonya's involvement.

Sweet, sweet delicious retcons.

On that note, I'm starting my own personal MK canon now. And I declare that Sonya was saved by a magical flying dolphin. Unfortunately, her added weight sent the poor creature careening into the cliff face towards the bottom, but she managed to jump off in time. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
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02/28/2007 03:52 AM (UTC)
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I'm guessing Jax threw Jarek off the cliff without Sonya being involved at all....which actually kind of makes Jarek's point justified.


Anyway, I understand tgrant and queve's points. In a perfect world, every character would have compelling individual stories that were all intergrel to the overall plot. Perhaps my standards have been considerably lowered over the years, but if anyone was really expecting that coming into Armageddon....they were only fooling themselves.

Let's also consider why Jarek is even back. Does anyone really think it was because Vogel pushed for it? I don't recall seeing much fan demand for his return. This is/was supposed to be the big finale game...so what happens if Vogel actually took the time to give Jarek a worth-while storyline? Suddenly, people would start demanding he return in future games.
I think what Vogel is telling us with this bio is essentially "Don't get attached to Jarek. He's worthless and was only brought back because everybody else came back." Vogel probably could've thought of something good, but probably figured Jarek wasn't worth it.

If that is the case, I'll have to commend him. T be honest, after all the threads demanding the return of Tremor, Skarlett, Meat, Horbuckle and every other "character," I can't say I blame Vogel for taking charge and making it all too clear they have zero interest in doing anything with Jarek. And I think the same will go for some other characters.
Yeah, yeah...every character has potential. But like I said, not everyone can be a star. Some characters aren't worth the time or effort. Apparently, Jarek was deemed one of them. Much as I like Reiko and Kintaro, I'm not getting my hopes up for their bios. They're expendable, too. I'll be thrilled if they do end up making something worth-while for them...but I won't be suprised if they end up as mere fillers, too. Personally, I was shocked they gave Rain a good story twist.

Why do you guys think I made so many posts yammering on about how Sareena can be much more than a filler? Because I knew she was expendable and could have just as easily been tossed into the pile with the other one-timers. Luckily for me and other Sareena fans, they gave her a worth-while storyline and followed through on some of her potential. Will I be as lucky with all my other favorite characters? I doubt it.
It's a lottery folks. Hope your favorite wins.

I think what Armageddon is going to end up being is a game that'll allow us to see what characters the MK team feel are actually worth a damn, and who will be tossed back into the abyss when it's over.

Cynical...maybe. Realistic...yes.
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02/28/2007 03:52 AM (UTC)
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On that note, I'm starting my own personal MK canon now. And I declare that Sonya was saved by a magical flying dolphin. Unfortunately, her added weight sent the poor creature careening into the cliff face towards the bottom, but she managed to jump off in time. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.


I am completely satisfied with your answer, and deem it the official part of the storyline. MIDWAY! HIRE THIS MAN!
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02/28/2007 04:18 AM (UTC)
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Shadaloo Wrote:

Sweet, sweet delicious retcons.

On that note, I'm starting my own personal MK canon now. And I declare that Sonya was saved by a magical flying dolphin. Unfortunately, her added weight sent the poor creature careening into the cliff face towards the bottom, but she managed to jump off in time. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.


LMAO!!!! grin

You should be hired.

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Ok, I know a lot of you are smart and analyze these bios, then ANSWER ME THIS!


Dont worry about it, its just another retcon.

Jaxs ending happened, but Im guessing they will change the reason why Jax tried to kill Jarek (strange, since Jarek says it was brutality, Im guessing Jax went more for the immoral side, betraying him and just wanting to get rid of him by anger, etc, but not like Jarek didn’t disserve it) and they might also change Sonyas involvement. Jarek says it was Jax who found him, maybe Sonya wasn’t even around during this encounter.

Retcons.

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02/28/2007 08:01 AM (UTC)
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What I think is funny is hell is how people are complaining about how often the word "fatality" is mentioned in the bio. The word appears only 3 times out of 4 paragraphs.
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02/28/2007 08:08 AM (UTC)
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Lol....

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02/28/2007 09:47 AM (UTC)
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The_Purple_Bunny Wrote:

Ok, fine. However, play MK4 and watch the endings for Sonya, Jarek, and Jax. You will notice that Jax throwing Jarek off only happens in Jax's ending, and so by that we're to believe that's the canon result. Ok, but watch that ending and you'll notice one little thing...
Jarek threw Sonya off the cliff PRIOR to Jax throwing Jarek off the cliff!
PLOTHOLE

Good job on noticing that. As the others have said, it'll just be another retcon. I'm tired of those too. i wish they would make things work and stop retconning stuff that would make the story more interesting. We'll see what happens from here onwards with Jax's bio and others.
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Sweet, sweet delicious retcons.
On that note, I'm starting my own personal MK canon now. And I declare that Sonya was saved by a magical flying dolphin. Unfortunately, her added weight sent the poor creature careening into the cliff face towards the bottom, but she managed to jump off in time. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

Lol! Good stuff, man!

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02/28/2007 10:27 PM (UTC)
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Well, whether he is a filler character or not, there is no reason it should suck.
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02/28/2007 11:10 PM (UTC)
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This is my least favorite bio released so far. On the other hand, I'm glad Jarek is fighting solo.

Learning a fatality? maybe he should go to gamefaqs.com lol

He's still one of my favorite characters to use though.
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03/01/2007 01:31 AM (UTC)
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Shadaloo Wrote:
Quite simple. Just as Johnny Cage "never died", Sonya just "wasn't around" for that. Jax and Jarek had a tiff, and it ended with Jarek going overboard. Everything happened minus any mention of Sonya's involvement.

Sweet, sweet delicious retcons.

On that note, I'm starting my own personal MK canon now. And I declare that Sonya was saved by a magical flying dolphin. Unfortunately, her added weight sent the poor creature careening into the cliff face towards the bottom, but she managed to jump off in time. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.


Shadaloo wins this thread.
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