I'll just answer the Sub-Zero question by saying that I would've liked it if 1 in Shotokan, 1, (1, 1), (1, 1, 2), D + 1, D + 2, D + 3, and U + 4 from Dragon as well as 4 and B + 4 in Kori Blade would've stayed the same it was like in MKDA. Also, I wish that he had his MKDA hairstyle for his alt costume.

You want more BS? Ok, then...

Well, I think the main improvement for Mk 7 will be to give Scorpion a Friendship that involves a sack of potatoes, a Unicycle, a Black & Decker Drill, and half a Portable Toilet...

If Tekken has Wake-ups, does Mortal Kombat have go-to-sleeps?

Dairou's new combo:
Quack. Press X, Quack. Press X...

*Dairou does some very silly somersaults and lands in a pit of spikes*

Scorpion's new combo:
Press every button on every console you own:

*Scorpion does some very silly spikes and lands in a pit of somersaults*

Why does every thread about gameplay end with some idiot rambling about nothing...

You know, this Mkflegend versus whoever stuff is becoming one overlong, yet highly entertaining action serial.

It's like: "Whoa. Will Mkflegend triumph over the Evil Warlords of Cranius Superium?"

Come on LEGEND, you can do it! USE THE FORCE OF MORTAL KOMBAT!

*mkflegend lifts some really heavy weights while "Eye of the Tiger" plays in the background. Then, he beats the crap out of the entire population of MKOnline. We all regret our harsh words... And now we have new ones to say: "Hail MK: Deception; the fighting game that has no faults WHATSOEVER and is the greatest game of all time!"*



Now THAT was lame...



I'm an Insomniac!



Sorry had a sugar rush... Back to topic. Blabla. LOL. Skulls.

ew. im fine with his hair in MKD. if you gave him his MKDA hair with the MKD white eyes and pale skin he'd look so fucking stupid.

Channel 4, every Tuesday, 11pm.

I thank you.

OMG, Sugar rush rules. Final next week :O!

Sugar Rush?

You guys should know better by now...

give it up

MK7 is gonna suck and there is nothing you can do.

Don't be surprised if you get some gay ass

Ultimate MK Deception bullshit

Which means same bullshit gameplay and cheap ass band aid solutions that actually breaks the game in some stupid way.

You might get normal maps...whoopteee fuckin doooo he's going to milk the engine for all its worth wanna know why? Because there is an actual debate about the quality of the game. You idiots are still buying it and accepting it. IMO there is no debate...the most broken unbalanced fighter ever starting from MK1. UMK3 is the best and most competetive, and some would say the most balanced. Wanna know why? Because every character is broken in some way. Thast not balance...its flawed design and degenerate gameplay.

*competitive
*that's

Saying "shit ass UMK3 shit bullshit ass Deception shit ass bitch" DOES NOT emphasize your point.

This is a pro-MK site, and you want to bitch and moan about the games, then I suggest you make your own site and do so. You don't see any of us going to that tekkenzaibatsu site and making complete dumbfucks of ourselves, as you are?

If we're idiots, all the less that makes an ignorant prick like you.

Someone please school this fool
No this is not a pro MK site
This is an MK fansite
and I am probably a bigger fan than you, I just wish for a better MK.
I've already made my mark on the MK universe and done things you could only dream of. The truth is that MK has a life of its own a life that is too much of a resposibility for the man in charge of it.
Ed should step down and concede lead design to someone who actually knows what a fighting game is...
It's time for Ed Boon to retire from lead design.

what the fuck, you Mr. T now?
......you're full of shit. Not worth my time.

Yeah

and I pity you

No, this is a MK fan site - nowhere in the sign up does it say you have to like everything MK related.

Most people here payed $50 for MKD, and that alone should deserve a decent product, a solid fighting game. Instead we get an untested, glitched, infinite-ridden (and not in the good UMK3 way ), abusable fighting game which collected dust in most peoples houses after the first couple of months, once the novelty wore off and the broken gameplay was discovered / exhibited online.

So although yes I, and 95% of the users here are MK fans, it doesn't mean we have to be pro everything MK, especialy when I shelled out money expecting a half decent game.

Like many have said before, it's BECAUSE we are MK fans that we bash MKD, in hopes that someone from the MK development team might see one of the threads and realize that shit needs changing come MK7...

I'm pretty sure ray worked for Midway on MKDA, so I'd probably be quiet now if I was you.

bashing and criticism are two different things

bashing means you're not a fan, criticism means you are

fuzzdork, you got owned by me earlier, haha

huh?

Alright, I'm going to try and shed some light on the whole "bashing" issue...

Back then, after MK:DA came out, many hardcore MK fans were very disappointed, so they decided to speak there opinions on it. But all the other players basically shit on them and told them that they weren't "real fans". These people (who didn't like the gameplay) were ignored and thought of as MK haters. To other people, they were just "noobs" with unreasonably high standards. Through this era of fighting amongst each other (which I will now refer to as "The Dark Era") many people on the "gameplay side" eventually gave up, and left MK altogether. But the others continued to "fight the good fight" because they wanted MK to improve. During the Dark Era, these "fighting engine activists" knew that if they just asked "nicely" like before, they'd get trampled on again, so they decided to take a more "cut-throat" approach. From then on, it was more of a "MK is shit and better improve" attitude. They knew that they'd make a lot of enemies, but they risked it for the chance of a better MK. Although it may seem like they're "bashing" MK, deep down, they're just doing everything they can to make the whole series improve...

I know what you mean cartmansp and like I said, I too would like the MK fighting engine to improve. I think the key is with Ed Boon... If he's really boastful about the series and won't listen to ideas that'll make the fighting engine good, then yeah, I think there should be somebody to take his place. There of course need to be good testers and programmers as well and ultimately, people who know their stuff.

If I'm not mistaken, the core of the fighting engine stuff in MKSM is from another company so I think maybe Midway should just leave the fighting engine core to a company that knows how to make good fighting engines, namely one like Namco. Midway can improvise on ideas to add the MK flavor to it as well as certain other things like music and story.

Cartman, that's completely different from what people do in the threads.

Like you and _7th, saying "I don't like this about MK" or "I don't like that", or" MK can improve if....." one can understand.

But going as far as to say "MK is horrible shit because...." and "Tekken is far better than MK because....." and "Deception is one of the worst games ever because...." is something of a far higher level.

Those are just examples of what I meant by "cut-throat". Back then, people used to say stuff like "I don't like this about MK" or "I don't like that" or "MK can improve if", etc., but (like I said) they were shit on. People said that they weren't "true" fans and they were ignored. Nowadays people say things like "MK is horrible shit because" and "Tekken is far better than MK because" and "Deception is one of the worst games ever because" because if they say it like that, they're far more likely to get attention...

You're probably right, but I just call things as I see it.

I agree, though, but you must admit that some of them don't have any other intentions but to instigate, and are purely "cut-throat"

Actually, I can't name a single person on this site that was "cut-throat" on the subject and didn't want the game to improve...

"Wah! You're not a fan! Wah! Stop saying things I don't like! Wah!"

Shut up. You don't make the rules. We're just as entitled to try and help the series at this site as you are to try and get in the way of that, until such time as the forum director tells everybody that this is a pro-MK site only, and negatively commenting will result in being banned. Which he won't do, because he's a reasonable man, and argree's with at least some of what we're saying.

The game is shit because of the following, among other things:

Universal tracking.
No throw escapes.
Moves that give your opponent a frame advantage when they connect cleanly.
Clean hit animations that allow for more repeated clean hits, causing infinite combos, of which there at least two dozen, however not all caused by said hit animations.
Hitboxes that differ to what the animation would indicate.
Snappy, jerky move animations with little to no start up delay that give the player no chance to correctly read the move and act accordingly, combined with no wake up game causing constant, devolved, skilless 50/50 rubbish after each knockdown.

When MK7 comes out, it isn't going to matter if we don't meet your standards to qualify as a "fan" KaizuDragon, all that's going to matter is whether or not that nonsense is still present in the game. You want us to stop "bashing" MK? We will. When we get a well put together 3D fighting game. Until then, we'll keep "bashing" it so that we may get that game through improvement. You can help the MK series by doing the same.

Or pointlessly whine about how you don't like what people are saying. Your choice.

KaizuDragon - and all those who don't have a clue:
Let me enlighten your ass for a moment. Ray worked for Midway durring the development of DA, Deception and worked on Psi Ops - bad ass game, btw. From my understanding, he was "let go" from midway because he actually brought up the very issues that we're talking about here. Only he brought them up at work and brought them to the source, Boon. He was, basicaly, our only cannon for preaching the real issues.

He was being "negative", though. The same shit various other people call us, the ones who actually bring up the real issues. We don't sugar coat that shit and feed it to you on a honey dipped tit. There are serious problems with the MK fanchise!! At least gameplay wise. Those who don't want to acknoweldge this are only hurting themselves and the community as a whole. Ray brought up these same issues, and lost his job over it.

Now, think about that for a minute. He was screwed over because he wanted a better product. Boon, as far as I'm aware of, pretty much said "fuck you, I don't want to hear the problems." Mybe not as coy as that, but the same meaning none the less.

There is not only a serious problem with the gameplay, not just the franchise but the character and personality of those who make the game. This can be seen in interviews, fight night transcripts and so on. It's a sad day when an individual knows wtf is wrong, says what's wrong and is then ostracizied because of it.

I don't want to get all "Days of our Lives" or generalize the dev and staff; but it's pretty fucked up. I don't know the dev team personally, but I have heard from MULITPLE persons who work in the business that Midway as a whole can get pretty damn shady. Which, looking at the root, is the problem. If such is correct.

Anyways, know who you're calling out before you open the mouth.

CSP:
Loved that summary, lol. Good stuff.

Ray:
Good to see you around, man. You and Jay still hang? Haven't seen him in a while. Meh.

Hmm, MK:SM or Shodow of the Colosus? Hmm, lol.

Anywho, peace and love ya'll.

Edit: Oh, and yes. Bashing and criticism are two different things. It's just too bad the two are subject to personal interpretation. One becomes the evil anarchist when it's something you don't want to hear. Usually the criticism becomes bashing when an individual enters a frame of thought, regarding a subject matter, with a predertemined bias. That individual does not hear the facts or the "crits", only their own biased, inflated overtones.....

normal mapping does kick ass, though, lol. Not as much as coherant, logical mechanics, however.

So what if some of you people claim that Tekken is better than MK. It's the characters that count. And so far, the Tekken fighters don't say a damn thing, nor do they have an in-depth story. In Tekken 1, Yoshimitsu was some "hero for the poor" type of guy. Then compare him with the Yoshimitsu in Tekken 5, and he's nothing but a space ninja hyped up on crack. That's why I like MK more than Tekken. DOA can kick Tekken's ass any day, but you know what? DOA doesn't really interest me because of it's character's stories and their lives.

The MK timeline interests me more than any other fighting game I've played. MK has unique background settings, and inhabitants in both outworld and the earthrealm. Whereas Tekken is just a dumb tournament with that 80-year-old Heihachi, which he seriously needs to retire, and Jin turning into demons and fighting each other. Where the fuck is the fun in that? I see that shit in Dragon Ball Z. And what the hell is up with the animals in Tekken?!?!? That right there says that Tekken isn't serious. It's slightly comedic, but I don't see any hippos or elephants in MK:D.

But if Midway takes some tips from Tomonobu Itigaki, then the fighting aspect of MK would kick major ass, and finally put those damn Street Fighter and Tekken fuckers to rest. I'm so tired of these fuckers coming over here with nothing better to do than to fuck with people. You know what? Why don't you take your little biased asses back to your ignorant Tekken or Street Fighter forums, and leave us the fuck alone you damn trolls.