-character stories have nothing to do with the gameplay.

-DOA can't kick Tekkens ass anyday, since it also has a seriously unbalanced system, especially the reversals.

-you are seemingly completely ignorant to the obvious fact, that despite a good storyline, the game sucks dragon balls. It's not a damn book, you actually play the game. Bering a big fan of he MK story too, I am irritated by the fact, that the MK games are unevenly unbalanced. Why bother with a storyline, if there is a disfuctional game engine? The majority wan't to play a game, not watch the characters and their endings.

IMO, Mk:D manages to be moderately fun despite its many glitches.
That poses a question; If I can enjoy Mk when it's broken, how much am I going to enjoy it when it's not?


I still can't say Mk:D is the worst fighter ever, because there are many games for the Ps1 which take that title, instead. Yeah, it's terrible... It sucks cheesy profita rolls in Hell... But, what you've done by making the title of this thread "MK sucks", is to ensure that ed boon doesn't read it. If he's as ignorant as you say he is, then he certainly won't want to read a thread titled "Mk sucks".
This thread's title should have been less harsh, because even though we all know we're not all Mk-bashing, Tekken lovers, the title suggests as such...

Ed boon will think you're just Mk haters on the title alone...

...Which is unfortunate, because if he ever got to read it, amongst the krap, he would find the special kind of critiscism that leads to changes.

The thread title should have been; "Mk's going downhill; Ed Boon needs to do something about it"

...Or something like that anyway.

My point: I don't think Boon has even entered this thread on name alone, cause it just says "Mk haters" all over it... Which is a shame, because we're not Mk-haters and we want a better game.

Already done that. And Boon has already fired rayrokka for just criticising the game before release. So much about Ed Boon....

We already have begged, plead and done other shit just to get Mk better..
sorry, your whole argument is nonsense. And what if I sound like an Mk hater? I want to improve it, not to make compromises.

MK is already a laughingstock, and since it's have been experiencing a fair amount of designer incompetence, MK7 can be a big flop too.

Yeah, you're right! It was just illogical and stupid thinking to assume that changing the main thread title would make Ed Boon read it... Just wishful thinking.

Ed Boon's really that ignorant? Does he WANT Mk7 to fail or something?
Of course not, but if he acts like that, then he might as well be wanting to fail.

I hope Ed Boon realises his Mortal Folly...



I'll be away for a week, so someone tape sugar rush for me.

As if you know anything, bitch.



Once again, your ignorance takes what I've said out of context.


And I have no qualifications as to being a MK fan, except not being a bitch. That counts most out, you included.

And if you didn't know (which wouldn't be surprising), Midway been leased the Unreal 3 engine, so if you combine that with the next MK, it's more than likely to quiet bastards like you.

Well, gahhh! As if!! lol

Kaizudragon is turning out to be an mkflegend with the ability to spell. Since readability was the only thing preventing me from fully enjoying the "mo lei tao" comedy of WTFlegend's posts, this can only be a good thing,

What the hell does a graphical engine have to do anything with how good the next game is? It's not like smooth animation and good mo-capping couldn't have been accomplished on MK's current graphical engine, it's just that everything is jerky and sped up because they want it to be. And if you're gonna argue physics in a fighting game, that's going to be ridiculous when the character's go upto predetermined heights, and fall down certain ways exactly the same each time to keep the integrity of a competitive game.

I love MKD for everything, but the gameplay and mini-games. As for the bashing/opinion nonsense, it is my opinion that "MKD's gameplay sucks," but I have the facts to back up why it is. I'm not saying UMK3 wasn't good because it was, it was definitely the height of the series. Hell some people are adamant about playing MK2 still. UMK3 and MK2 had their share of glitches, but none were easy to do. MKD sports so many flaws that are easily abusable and required for any level of play (such as universal tracking) that it's ridiculous. Add to the top of that, poor design and jerky animation that favors 50/50 and the amount of "skill" it takes to play MKD is reduced to the skill it takes to guess heads or tails on casual level play. In high-level/top-level play, it's how to play the 50/50 game as well as abuse all the glitches and infinites. That's just really problematic. It fails as a strategic competitive game. I mean if you remove the presentation and start flipping a coin against another person and force them to call heads/tails, how long do you think that is enjoyable or strategic because that's how much skill and strategy it takes to play MKD right now.

LOL

That was uncalled for. I hate to criticize you seeing as how you're new here and the fact that you have made a few decent posts. But honestly, you deserved to get pwned for callin' out Ray not even having the slightest idea who the fuck he is.

Now, I'm ready right now to give you the benefit of the doubt and the chance to redeem yourself in the future. But, as it stands now, you're nothing but a fuckin' teenager who just barely joined this site a month or so ago and who was 4 fuckin' years old when MK1 came out. Know your place.




Again, you've stepped over the line.



So what? Go ahead and give Boon & co. the Unreal 3 engine for MK7. It won't mean jack shit if they don't implement the proper mechanics to go along with that pretty rendering engine. The game will still play like shit, it'll just look real pretty. Yay.

Jeez, I take a short break from the site and hilarity ensues.

Anyway, all I have left to say is this:

To any new members who have just joined the site or just started playing MK and have found your way to this thread, do not post after reading page 17 or 18. I don't care what your opinion is, go back to page one and read every post in this thread. If you post here after only reading the last page or so, I and others will own you mercilessly. I'm serious. This is a promise.

You've been warned. Post at your own risk.

I actually liked KaizuDragon when he first got here because he stuck up for MKD, but lately, all he's done is troll around here and try to pick fights with people, and not just in this thread.

I couldn't give less of a damn as to what your opinion(s) or prejudices about me are. I have no shit with you, and it would be beneficial to us both if it stays that way.



You know I have no shit with you either, fuzz. I don't provoke people in threads, I merely defend my stances. If you look at this thread as an example, all I've done was make a statement, and it's been antagonized, even when my post wasn't meant to be offensive or antagonistic in the first place. Hell, if anything, I'm the protagonist of this situation.

I could, and if need be, continue this forever. But it's nothing more than a pathetic clashing of egos and opinions. My original point was "I didn't like what people were saying." Maybe (probably) worded wrong, but my original point nonetheless. I concede EVERYTHING else I've said, as long as this shit and we get back to the topic at hand (whatever that was, Lmao)

Ok,Kaiz, first i back up both you and Fuzz's asses in this joke for a thread and you both turn your back on it even though we all agree or so i thought.Well, Fuzz i can tell is ignoring me, thats fine, but the funny thing is Kaiz, you come into this thread and for the most part say the same things i have been saying.Fuzz has also brought up alot of good points as well.But you know what if either of you have logic which i know you do, you know who the MK fans are from the bullshit artists that claim to be MK fans but are NOT.The humerous thing is that even though Fuzz, KDragon and myself are all different, admit it guys we are the only ones disagreeing with everyone else.So, do yourselves a favor please get this i'm embarassed by Fuzzdork, KDrago or MKFLegend BS out of your heads and make your points against the ones who disagree with us, you see then all sticking together why don't we do the same?After all, the three of us like Deception alot, do we not?(Well, at least i do)

Well, listen, first off Xmier, lots of talk behind a fu@#% machine, if i ever see you in person you better run kid.Better yet, play me in MK, whimp.If you have the balls, whats that you're afraid??Thats what i thought punk.

I'll spell MKF OWNS X by the time i'm done with you pal.

One more thing to my friendly comrades Fuzz and KDragon, if you want a REAL MK player that knows this game as much as you do if not more, then please play me.Trust me you would both respect MKF when we are done.

I respect your opinions in this thread, why can't you respect mine LOL.We are all disagreeing for the same reasons.

Hey MKFLegend

Why don't you play me in MK 1-5 and we'll see who the real MK fan is...

MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

If i could i would man.When it comes to MK, i'm game.

Have Deception for live??

Don't forget that in the past I've challenged you to play in person for money and you were too scared and made lots of excuses about how real players don't play for money and other stupid comments. So your little statement doesn't hold water when I've traveled and am still willing to travel and you're scared. In fact your social skills are so pathetic you refuse to play unless it's online. Not shocking from your posts though.



If WTFlegend is the most "retardedest" thing you've ever heard perhaps you should try saying retardedest out loud.



As I've said before I"m straightedge which means I use no drugs or alochol and have never used those. Unlike yourself and your father. Guess there's another example of me being superior to you.








Really I'm showing signs of a drug overdose... seriously wtf get a clue.




Show me an example of me being paranoid or delusional. I could point to posts in this thread that point to you being paranoid and delusional though. Try reading TTT's posts and you may find one showing something like that. It's cute you think you know the signs of a drug addict though. Paranoia and delusions are not generally signs of the vast majority of drug users.



Well you're not a legend and WTF suits you far better than anything else. Also my name was given to me because I was the 1 true king player on tekken 3 for a long time. It's a cute attempt at a shot though.



Sure thing play me for money on deception and then play me on SF2, SF2:CE, alpha 3, third strike, tekken 2, tekken 3, tekken tag, tekken 4, tekken 5,MK 2, UMK3, killer instinct, marvel super heroes, xmen vs streetfighter, marvel vs sf, MVC 1, and tobal 2. I will own you on all those games badly and on deception since I fully understand high level play and can do the infinites as well as the basic 50/50 which means that it's not a sure win unlike you vs me on all the rest where it won't be close.




It doesn't show anything regarding a persons memory. It's used to make it clear exactly what part of a post you direct a comment at and for others who are not part of the discussion, though pretty much everybody owns your ass in this thread including your friends. However your posts never have a point or even anything to do with whats going on in general so you're not quoting doesn't matter.




See here's an example of where a quote would be good though I think you're trying to include this with your above paragraph and just don't understand how paragraphs work.




How does me getting tired of reading you post moronic tripe show that I"m ignorant? It doesn't even show anything about my maturity. Nothing I've said about you is false it's all true. You can't disprove any of it and when you've tried have only solidified my comments about your intelligence and ignorance.




Naturally he makes this comment following his attempted shot at my maturity. Personally if I ever met you in person I'd hope that you were laying on the ground dying it would show that darwin was right.




I'm not repeating myself over and over you are. I make points you ramble. I can actually have an intelligent conversation and you can't even answer a single question. My dubbing you wtflegend and the nirvana comment seem to have been received well by at least a few people so I think I'll keep saying it.




This coming from a yankee fan. I'm sorry but thats just another example of you being a hypocrite. Yankee's one of, if not, the worst chokes in the history of sports not to mention braves leading their division and the yankees are doing what again?

Maybe DUHlegend is a better name for you...




Pretty sure its the actual gameplay that determines if a game is good and the alternate methody would be to look at sales numbers and tekken beats MK in both areas.





They don't say anything? They don't have an in depth story? Last I checked there was a fairly solid story to the tekken's I played, with the exception of tag.



Classic stupidity. Well yoshi is the leader of the manji clan in tekken 1 and in tekken 5 so yah that story stays the same. The space ninja thing was something that namco of america came up with but it's not canon.





Actually tekken beats doa badly in gameplay and sales but anyway.


Interesting take on the story but when you're talking about mortal kombat with characters over 100 years old it sort of goes against you. You related to wtflegend by any chance?




Cute how you call the tekken or sf forums ignorant when you make posts like this. You can't counter any facts so you talk about fluff. Go away.




wtflegends "friends" turn their backs on him so he makes a desperate plea for them to not make fun of him so he can continue to ride their coattails.

Fuzz has always ignored you, you've just been trying to associate with him to make yourself look better.

You've never made a single point in this or any other thread. You toss random insults and ignore comments you don't understand or can't counter. YOu attempt to attatch yourself to somebody else who isn't a moron and when you do that we get such wonderful comments from them as:



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Holy crap! What the hell happened to that post king?
Anyways, I tried to stay out of this argument for a while, but I'm going to clearify my stance on MKD because I always seem to be brought up. I like it. I think it's fun, and I like the way it plays. But that's just me. I'm a more casual gamer, and I probably play it maybe once or twice a week. I've listened to you guys about MKD's problems, and I don't deny any of it. I've actually been experimenting lately, and I have found that their are alot more problems with this game then I originally thought. However, unless I play online, none of it ever really shows up while I'm playing. So that's my feelings. Is it that hard to respect that? What's pissed me off in the past with you guys is that you are so quick to spit out insults like I'm a "moron" or I'm "ignorant." Well, the fact is, I'm not a moron or ignorant. I simply like the game the way it is. That's all. From what I hear about Boon, I think it's safe to say it may be a waste of time to get our hopes up too high for a better engine, anyways.

Oh yeah, whoops. I forgot I was a bitch. And a bastard. Sorry.

I guess that means all that rubbish doesn't really exist in MKD afterall. My mistake.

Hey, bro, that's all we've been trying to do. As long as you can recognize that there are problems that should be fixed. It's been stated earlier, and I'll state it again, that doesn't mean you can't still have fun with the game. Hell, even I do from time to time.



Hey, bro, again, that's fine. I disagree about liking the game the way it is, because in all honesty, there's no excuse for it being as broken as it is. But I can still respect the fact that you can still have fun with it. That's never been the issue. The issue is that some people still can't understand why some of us have a problem with MK's gameplay, and not only do they not understand, but they don't want to even attempt to either. That's what's ignorant, and at this point, I don't believe you fall into that category.



Unfortunately, I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with you whole-heartedly on that point. I hope to God I'm wrong, though.

No, it's not hard to respect. As a matter of fact, I applaud you for being able to perfectly enjoy the game. That says to me you've got a higher tolerance for it's flaws than many of us in here. I have been going online with it recently to just mess around and I deal with it well enough but still hate what I'm seeing. But the debate has never been whether you like the game or not. For the longest time we've been saying that you can like whatever you want. You can like Shaq Fu or Rise of the Robots for all we care because liking/disliking a game is as subjective as liking/disliking a food. But at the same time you see there are substantial problems with the engine.

I understand it just fine. I like the Street Fighter movie. You know, the Van Damme one. I know it sucks. It's a terrible movie on all accounts and the only saving grace would be Raul Julia's over-the-top performance. Now imagine if I came in saying Street Fighter > Saving Private Ryan. I'd look like a moron wouldn't I? Now ask me what movie I'd rather watch. Yeah, I'd rather watch Street Fighter despite it being an inferior movie. So that's what we're talking about. You can like Deception more than Tekken/VF/DOA/SC and enjoy playing it more than any other fighter as well. But that doesn't change the fact that it's still not as good as those other fighters. I could like driving a car with a bad engine, muffler problems, and an oil leak but all that means is that I like driving a bad car. It doesn't magically make the car good.

Think of it this way. You like the game now despite it's flaws. Imagine how much you'd love it if it were better. We're all MK fans who've been playing since day 1 back in 1992. I was 8 years old when MK1 hit arcades and I've been hooked since. The difference between me and WTFlegend is that he thinks being a fan means pretending everything is fine no matter what. I think being a fan is doing your very best to keep what your a fan of on top even if what you have to say is objectively critical. If I weren't an MK fan I wouldn't be spending my time talking about it so much.

That's the shit I've been trying to get out the whole time. I fully agree with both statements. Like TonyTheTiger said, I won't argue that MK:D has the best gameplay compared to other fighters, but I will say that I prefer it as opposed to the latter.

In a rather intelligent manner, people say they dislike the game. There's no "Tekken rules, MK sucks completely" or "MK is 100% complete shit". It may be 99% shit, but that 1% is why I like it better than any other game in the genre. No problem.

But it's the all-out bashing fueled by ignorance that gets me, that's all.

For me, it's hard to understand why somebody wouldn't want MK to improve (I'm not talking about liking MK:D, I'm talking about improving it). Sometimes, I'm in such disbelief over this that I think I misunderstood the person who said it. I just want to know everybody's opinion on this whole situation, and I think it would be easier to figure out by asking you these questions. What do you think about MK (as a series)? What did you hope to accomplish by posting in this thread? And what's your stance on the whole gameplay issue?

3 simple questions, that I urge everyone to answer...

To start off, I'll answer the questions...

"What do you think about MK?"

I've always loved the series and it's still one of my favorite series' storywise and characterwise. To me, it's violent atmosphere was a big hook. In other fighting games (like Street Fighter and a couple others) the fighters seemed cartoonish and I couldn't take them as serious "badass" fighters after I saw the characters in MK. The story had a much more violent and serious tone. It wasn't like "I've got to win this tournament to prove I'm the greatest fighter ever!" it was more like "If I don't win this tournament, that guy is going to kill me, suck my soul out, and kill everyone that I care for!". Right now, I think it has a crazy amount of potential, but until they take advantage of it, it will remain a "sub-par" fighting game...

"What did you hope to accomplish by posting in this thread?"

I mostly posted here to express my opinion, in the hopes that it would educate others about the gameplay issue. The reason I felt it was important to educate others is because it seems like not many people know how good MK can be...

"What's your stance on the whole gameplay issue?"

I think people blow off the idea of an MK with deep gameplay because they think it might be "too" deep for them. They're casual players that are afraid MK will become so deep that they won't even be able to hold there own against a little kid who plays more. They probably feel like there will be hundreds upon hundreds of moves and stratagies they'd need to memorize in order to improve with just one character. And if it turns like that, they wouldn't want to play it at all. In reality, MK can be a deep game "covered" by a simple exterior. What I mean is, it could be pretty easy to pick up and play, but hard to master. It would take skill to play in big time tournaments, but you could still have a great time playing around with friends (kind of like SSBM)...

There are so many things MK can have that would make it a great game. I remember that even when I was against the idea of a deep MK, I still loved the idea of multiple throws and tag-team mode. MK can take things from other fighting games and put the ol' "MK spin" on them. They already did it with ring outs (turning them into to bloody "death traps"). I also think some people are afraid that giving MK a deep fighting engine would take away from the story and character developement, which is the opposite of the truth. Think about how much they can expand on any single character with a deeper engine. The possibilities are endless. Just check out some of Bleed's ideas (and other people's too) in both of the gameplay threads (HDTran's and TonyTheTiger's). I even posted a few ideas myself in HDTran's thread. The MK Team can get very creative and throw in some chain throws, flashy parries and reversals, improve the whole concept of projectiles in a 3D game, and lots of other stuff. I honestly believe that MK could stomp every other fighting game out there if it had a better engine...

Yeah, all those reasons I gave that you edited out of my post just go to show that I know nothing about this game. I'm so ignorant.

"What do you think about MK?"

I think it's the greatest fighting game series ever created thus far, if not the greatest game series. I don't blindly say I like the game, I have my reasons. It wasn't always behind in terms of gameplay in every one of its games (i.e. MK2, MK4), nor was it always so full of monotonous characters (i.e. UMK3, MK:G).

When comparing MK to Tekken or DoA or some other fighting game, I might've been tempted to use the words "more flashy" to cover-up the weaknesses of MK, and I will admit that MK doesn't always have the best gameplay. But possibly its the depth of the characters, the background of the game, or just my loyalty, but I have always found myself liking almost every MK game released as opposed to everything else that's out there (except MK:SF, but I didn't need to state the obvious) Maybe MK:D isn't the best out there, but it sure is my game of preference, and as of now, always will be, Lmao



"What did you hope to accomplish by posting in this thread?"

Well, isn't it obvious? To spread peace and unity across the world (right before I take it over)


"What's your stance on the whole gameplay issue?"

I think I've made my stance blatantly clear in my first paragraph. Deception has flaws....no game doesn't, unless one lives in a parallel universe where flaws don't exist (yes, some people believe such a world exists) . MK:D has quite a few more flaws than other games, but I don't see that as any reason to condemn the game. Tekken and SC are better in some (many) aspects, where as MK is better in others. Like I said in a previous post, MK may be 99% shit, but it's that 1% that's left fans like me loyal to the game and wanting better from it.

No need to state the obvious.

But seriously, I just kept the portion most related to what I wanted to reply to