MKDA Release: 11/16/02
MKDA Greatest Hits Release: 10/01/03

MKDA took roughly 10 1/2 months to get added. Don't be so quick to assume that just because MKD is not on any Greatest Hit lists yet, that its sales have sucked since October '04.

*high five to DJ*

*is 15 too*

All I've seen from Shaolin Monks is that first Liu Kang and Kung Lao fight that they said was part of the story or something where you train with Liu Kang and Kung Lao. I'm not sure if it has an actual versus mode, so was wondering if anyone was following up on it and knew for sure or if they've announced it.

Some of you have got to really be careful about what you say to mkflegend; you'll damage his psyche!


Ok. This thread is being held back by people repeating the; "MK:D sucks" arguement. I think it's time we moved on to suggesting improvements, now that we've established what was wrong in the first place.

Ok, improvement lists away!

no throws

Good idea! Let's limit our crappy game even more!

He should have said; "no throws... that utilize only one button and do not vary depending on which side of the opponent you are on, or are simply unescapable."

The problem with throws in MK:D is that:

1) They come out of nowhere due to the crappiness of the animation.
2) They are totally uncounterable/inescapable
3) They epitomise boring + yawn-inducing because there's only 1/char
4) There is a throw button (hahahaha)

Solutions (very obviously):

1) Fix the fucking animation and get some real frame data like a real fighting game
2) Add throw escapes/counters either Tekken-style (press 1 or 2 as you are thrown: easier), or Virtua Fighter-style (copy the sequence of your opponent's throw: harder)
3) Add another generic front throw for each char. Add side throws and back throws that come out if you connect a throw to an opponent's side/back. In addition to the generic throws give each character at least one special command throw (ie directions before throwing). Have some chain throws (side headlock->ddt->camel clutch etc)
4) Get rid of the throw button and make throws 1+3 and 2+4

whenever I need entertainment, I just come on MKO and check out threads like these. GJ to versatile and the rest of you guys for the total ass whooping you're laying upon fools.

and... you're 15? O.o

yeah I am...lol. It's not that im super smart or anything . It's just a simple task arguing with people who don't know what they're talking about.

Seriously, 15 isn't as young as you think. I would say 12 and under should be laughed at lol, but 15 is pretty much where we act the same as 20.

Well the post didn't come out the way I wanted prolly cuz I had been up for over 24 hours straight but oh well.






Nope I think its sad he interjects with something like that when the thread is primarily about concerns of high level players and people who are good at the game. He's shown he is ignorant about the game and this shows he's ignorant of the discussion in this thread.



Ok if you weren't referring to yourself thats fine. In general I try to avoid calling people idiots unless it's deserved and there are a few people who show somewhat less than normal mental faculties as anybody, including yourself, can see. That list is confined to about 3 or 4 people off the top of my head. As for the staff being biased it's obvious. I've had people insult me and had nothing done about it despite the fact that I know it was pointed out to moderators yet I've received skull points for very minor things in the past. I've said it before the mod's are biased and most are lacking in some areas.



This is why i call you stupid. You don't get this. I don't care if you enjoy the game or not. I've never once said you can't enjoy the game. It's a bad fighting game because it fails to be competitive. This has been proven over and over by numerous people here. You can still like it though. Take tony's examples a house with only 3 walls. It's a bad house but you can still like it for other things. You could like the layout of it but well the lack of the 4th wall and a roof sort of makes it worthless in the house department.




No I judge it on how it fails to do what it shoudl do. Its physics don't work. I've said, and you've failed to get it over and over, that I don't care if it's like tekken or any other fighting game as long as it worked and it's at least slightly below average. I use comparisions to other fighting games to provide examples of how things can be done correctly. It stole a lot of aspects of tekken's engine but didn't take the things required for that engine to work. Thats the main reason it gets compared to tekken constantly. It's trying to be a dumb version of tekken but it's too dumb. A game is part of a genre. In this case the genre is fighting games. As such it is to be judged based on how well it accomplished what a fighting game is supposed to do. A fighting game is supposed to provide competition. It fails at this. It's got far too many problems to accomplish this. Thats the most basic aspect of what a fighting game is and it fails at this. It's not that it fails at high level either it fails at low levels of play as can be seen from the history of complaints from non hardcore gamers about how "cheap" things are. Tekken 4 spent less than 24 hours in testing and it came out far better than deception did in the bug/broken department and it's considered probably the worst game in the series. The comment that something is better than nothing is sheer stupidity. If they had put out mortal kombat 1 and changed the fatalities around that would still be something and it really wouldn't have been better than nothing. You blew $50 on crap. I blew $50 on garbage. The only mode that doesn't use the fighting engine, which is broken, is puzzle kombat and I don't, nor does anybody, buy a fighting game for a puzzle game.



Opinions and feelings can be wrong. This goes on to illustrate your cluelessness again. You think I'm saying something about your feelings I'm not. We've all been talking in facts and you think we are talking about whether you like this game or not. This is why I always question your intelligence. I know you're in IT though and having done work recently with people in IT I now realize why you're the way you are.




True call it whatever you want but you'll still be wrong.



I've been pwnd before but not by fuzzdork. It was a pretty good attempt but well he's not in my league really.



No chrome actually does want no throws. He feels throws are cheap and doesn't realize that a lack of throws would really cause major problems in a fighting game unless there is a major innovation.


On the subject of MKF again just don't comment on him anymore. He doesn't understand how frames work and never will. He doesn't understand how fighting games other than deception play. He doesn't understand how you can be a fan and say something is bad. He never will understand these things. I honestly wonder if maybe he has some sort of brain damage that affects his short term memory, similiar to the guy in memento or the girl in 50 first dates. All of these have been explained to him over and over yet he still doesn't get it. Just ignore him. I wish this message board had an ignore function it's so nice to skip pointless posts from people like that.

TruKing, I already explain to you how opinions work over at GameFaqs to the point where you had to give up and pretty much leave both topics all together (Even though originally you vowed to defeat me... never happened) even after I asked for you to back-up your claims. Must you continue rambling on about how people who disagree with you are wrong? Because that is wrong.

Keep in mind, I've never diagreed with your opinion. I thought Deception and Deadly Alliance weren't good fighting games at all (I returned DA mere days after I got it) and that Tekken 5 was MUCH better. I also think you're a smart guy, at least when it comes to video games. However, your continuous name-calling towards people who disagree with you as well as your arrogant, egotistical attitude really bother me.

However, since I do not wish to argue with you again (A waste of time apparently), I'll just (hopefully) return to my mysterious lurking.

I just came to confirm that Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks will have a vs. mode...

Click here, and if that doesn't work, click here and go to "2-player VS. (05/12/2005)". It seems pretty obvious that it's a versus mode, since the name of the movie is "2-player vs.". I also remember an article saying that MK: SM will have a versus mode (I'll be looking for that and edit this post if I find it). So from the looks of it, MK: SM has a versus mode...

I'd also like to say that I love this thread and threads like these. I've seen some hilarious ass poundings and razor sharp wit coming from some members. But I've also seen incomprehensible douchebaggery coming from another certain member, who shall remain nameless...

So yeah, keep fighting the good fight and hopefully MK can reach it's full potential and become an ultimate ass kicking game that sets the standards for the whole fighting genre, or at least a game without assloads of glitches and at least an average fighting engine...

Hey,Truking,HDTran this is what i have to say to your last comments on MKF and Fuzzdork.


Wake me up when something useful spills out.Sorry to disappoint you both,but as much as an idiot,lack of knowledge,bla,bla,bla,you think i am,i can assure you i'm not.

Shit this is a mk site ,why the hell are we even talking about another fighter.And you criticize me about what a fan is??LOL.


Anyway,for the useful words in recent posts by Sat and Fuzz,this is what i have to say.

First,Sat,thanks,ok well said man,well said you made your point without showing immaturity,putting Fuzz or me down and with true class,unlike some others.

I always want more from MK,always want it to be better and sweet to play,i just love it regardless,i hope MK 7 is better,but i'll play it regardless!!!!All i'm saying is that even though Deception may not be close to perfect or as smooth as alot want,i can still play it well and play it the way the characters are supposed to be used.I love every MK game that ever came out.The one that truly disappointed me alot was MK:Special Forces.

I enjoyed Sub-Zero alot actually,but i'm sure someone will flame me just for saying that i'm sure.

Now fuzzdork,it's amazing how you have facts to back up your word,yet some users still think you're making it up apparently.LOL.Apparently you and i are dumb because we enjoy Deception LOL.

We will see if Deception becomes a Platinum Hit.My guess is yes eventually.

Other users shouldn't count their chickens before they hatch.he he.


Ok,tekken fans,your turn LOL.(note: excluding Sat)

Um...no. lol, but whatever makes you guys sleep well at night. What was I doing at 15?.....Oh, yeah, i was running a porn server on hotline, lol. The internet is too good! To bad HL blows now. Man, back in the day...."sniff"....some good memories.

Well, we aren't solely tekken fans, heh. In fact, I'm getting pissed at tekken. Seams like the only decent fighters out right now are random, abstract titles that no one players, at least in the states. VF is godly beyond godly, but I do'nt think that shit is even in EVO. My local cade' has a VF4 cab, bt it's like version A or something and no one playes it. GG is tight, but I dont think an arcade around my area has one. At least with in 50 miles and who's to say it's even played? MOTW? No, I think that game is gawked at like no other, but no one plays that, either. Shit, I'm seriously thinking about getting back into toshinden, lol. It's been like two or three times I've gotten back into that. Well, MKFL, exactly how is a character supposed to be played, though, lol? That's part of the problem. The game is so retarded. "Correct" doesn't even exist. It's like in SvC: I'll play my whore,Mai, and I've got my corner trap shit on call anytime. Then, my buddy will play Geese and rape my ass with gay infinates and zoning that is unbreakable. Random wake-up supers that build meter faster than a fire fart singing ass hair. Ghey, G...H...E...Y...GHEY! Anyway... "Correct" is highly arbitrary, so be carefull. I'll leave it up to the other peeps to tell you why, lol.

Actually you didn't defeat me I quit checking the thread. I prolly posted too much because I only check threads on my first page of posted topics. Keep thinking you beat me though if it makes you feel better.




You say that and follow it with this:




I never criticized you about what a fan was. You wonder why I question your intelligence and tons of other people question your intelligence when you say things like that. I mean seriously do you do acid before you read the posts here or something? I guess I could see it if you were frying balls but otherwise. You really need to change your name to wtflegend it fits you a hell of a lot better.

MKF:

I thought you were leaving the thread...? Jesus christ, do we have to repeat to you something yet ANOTHER time? And you say your intelligence isn't questionable. We told you we used Tekken as a reference, I can use Soul Calibur, Virtua Fighter, whatever if you'd really like. That's how universal the basics MK is lacking, it's lacking foundations that are basic to the genre. It's used as a comparison to show what works and what doesn't, how many times do you need that repeated to you before you understand?

And like Satya said, the stuff that it implements doesn't even work. I've played many fighting games because the arcade operator at my university rotates stuff and gets a lot of new stuff all the time, I don't think there's many fighting games that I don't like. When talking about MK, I still remember the days I played MK1-UMK3 in the arcades, but MKDA and MKD's engine simply does not deliver and it's pretty much a horrid piece of crap on the gameplay front. I like other things about MKDA and MKD and I still love MK, but it's gameplay is horrible.

Dude, you still don't have anything to back up what you say AT ALL. Now you've resorted to little emoticons, saying bla and spamming LOL as a basis of your argument. Your entire post is like that, ontop of random attacks you've blasted people with this entire time. You are cool with people are aren't offensive to you, which I agree should be a requirement in any civil argument, but you yourself are offensive to others for no known reasons besides disagreeing with you. I've made posts directed to you that weren't mocking you or in any mocking tone until I realized that you yourself were incapable with having a conversation with anyone that didn't agree with you even with real facts explained to you why stuff doesn't work in MKD/MKDA. Hell you brushed my reasoning off with the hatred that you would brush towards anyone who would dare say anything bad about MK's fighting mechanics and attacked me out of the blue. So don't go sounding all high and mighty when you've made personal attacks yourself first, that would label you a hypocrite. You still haven't addressed anything I've said about the gameplay nor the basics that MK lacks that would solve many of its problems. Instead you come back at me with "bla", "LOL", "and you call me ignorant (stated in many different ways)" as a basis of why you're right and expect someone to have a conversation with you? God take English 101 or remedial English or something.. anything. Dude you're so biased that I feel sorry for you.

And yes, I'm an MK fan, one that expects more from a series than broken gameplay because I don't worship Boon sacredly with a little mini-altar in my closet and bow down to any crap that he'd fling out with an MK label on it.

Here, I'll give my reply to you in a manner you'd understand. LOL, since you've spouted it to me,wake me up when something useful spills out. Just same old gibberish and lack of addressing any points from MKF bla, bla, bla. LOL.

You know what you sound like? You sound like a little kid who knows he's been outsmarted, yet keeps saying he is right regardless. Honestly, if you're going to respond with that type of juvenile immaturity, then you've shown your true colors and have already hung yourself in this argument all on your own. It's probably pointless for you to remain in this thread any longer.

Now seeing that you don't care about what I say here, I think it's safe to assume that we won't be seeing any replies by you to this post . If you do, it's pretty obvious that you're a confused little boy who has no idea what stance he would like to take. Either way, your weight in this thread is all but nothing now, anyways.

Yeah I should, but I just find it hard to give up on people and not try to show them why something is broken/needed and why MK can benefit from it in a sequel (which I'm sure many saw from my gameplay primer how many on this site went on to try their hardest to explain in general terms why MKDA/MKD is lacking in the most civil and understanding tones Ive ever seen from any fighting game site teaching others how the game works... even when constantly mocked at and called names, that's why people should really read it and try to learn...)
Maybe us MK fans will never get an average fighting game that employs strategy and will never stop being laughed at by the fighting game community... Man I really wished that the glory of days of MK came back. I remember doing cross-up traps in UMK3, anti-air standing HP's into combos and running under jump kicks and spacing people out in my favor as well as breaking their block with repeated LPs. MK definately had some real strategy back then besides MKDA/MKD's alternating use of two moves and the abuse of others with a movelist that is 90% worthless. I remember when I had a friend over and I taught him how to use standing HP's to anti-air into combos, how to use crouching LP, how to trap with standing LK, etc. almost nothing was worthless in UMK3, besides crouching LK.

Don't worry,man.Every fighting game community has its share of morons.Most of these people who protect MK:D have never played anything better than it,so 50/50 mix ups are standard in their minds.It's hard to explain to people how a wake up game,throw escapes,the proper frame use,etc. changes the fighting game without them having experienced the high level play of the game.

But it is ultimately up to the MK team to change the series completely.You,TTT,TruKing,and many,many others have done their best to explain the game's faults to the community,and there's only so much you can do.MK will never be like VF or Tekken,but it does NOT have to be.The basics are required,though,and I believe if Boon and the MK team read some of our suggestions,they'll be able to implement some of them into the next MK instalment.

I dunno dave, we've been at it for a long time... I still don't see why some don't understand basic principles that would help MK dramatically and go against it so adamantly claiming all that suggest it are haters or aren't fans.

I mean man, these things are fundamental, how can they not improve the game? A wakeup game that allows you to stay on the ground prevents people from doing over-abusive 50/50s and allows you to move out of the way or get up with the attempt to regain initiative. Throw breaks allows you to do just that, break throws so that it isn't abusive, but you are still able to keep throws in the game to punish turtlers that abuse block. And how can anyone go against making MKD/MKDA's frames better and thus, animation better so that fights don't result in the luck of 50/50's landing and you can actually see many moves coming out so you can defend it? More move properties (and thus more reasons to use other moves) and fix of glitches people even argue against.

I seriously just don't know why people that label themselves as "true MK fans" (as opposed to the MK fans that care about the gameplay) be against implementing such basic fundamentals that would help MK in more ways than one can imagine.

What did I ever do to you, huh?

Trueking,if thats the case then,they should change your name to knowitallKing(he knows everything)LOL


You ay i have lack of intelligence yet you come up with something like they should cahnge your name to WTF legend.....RIGHHHHHTTTTT.



Thats original and very mature too BTW.



HD,Fuzz and i have only repeated ourselves what like 100 times now.


Just admit that you're a tekken fan in disguise on another site thats simply more popular man lol??You sure as hell don't talk about Mk like a MK fan.

Enjoy beating the Computer in tekken 100,000 times my friend.Memorrize the pattern for me he he.

Yeah,morons are everywhere now a days,especially the ones that can't fucking respect another persons views.