We (the fans) are Ermac, don't mess with us.

lol, Ermac has gained lots of popularity since UMK3 I must say ever since his MKD return thru now.

Deception Ermac does own Deception Sindel, but UMK3 Ermac doesn't own UMK3 Sindel by a chance.

There levitation powers are different, but cross-cancel I'd say: Ermac can't move around but can execute 2 attacks, Sindel can move around but can execute only 1 attack (and it's a projectile which makes it better).

I think the point to making her move around while floating was to make her an eminent character. She looks pretty fucking superior flying over her oppenent's head. Plus have you tried beating your oppenent with her while staying in the air the whole time? It's a fun challenge. It really makes you jitter when your oppenent starts to run at you to knock you down and you have to keep trying to stay airborne.

Anyway, in Deception, we see Sindel flying as a victory pose and to lift herself up after losing a match, but where the hell is the flying DURING combat? Nowhere. They didn't even let her have an air fireball of any sort. And to top it off, it's as if her Hair Whip move never existed.

She was severely ripped off in Deception, and that's the only reason Ermac and some other characters from that game can instantly own her.

Regardless, niether Ermac or Sindel will return for next-gen MK so quite bragging.

wrong



The levitation stuff for both characters wasn't that great, but I had more fun with Sindel's.



I'm pretty sure the point of giving her a levitation move was to give her a witch-like feel to her character.



Yeah, that was disappointing, but it's not like those moves would've saved her overall gameplay.



She wasn't that good in MKD or MKA for the following reasons:

1. Zha Chuan was weak, unsafe, and didn't have many useful moves and combos.

2. The Sliding Foot Grab was pretty worthless as it was too risky and the reward was too low.

3. Her throw was the absolute worst in both games as her recovery time for it was bad, and the fact that the opponent can QR (Quick Recover) and go up to her in time made her vulnerable.



Who says so? We don't know who won't return.

One of my favorites in MKD.

I was only fond of Ermac until MkD....I would play with him as one of the only two ninjas I would actually pick. Ermac and Noob Saibot.
Now he's right on the top of the list.
He looks way better and his story has matured even amongst all the crap-tac-u-lar-i-ty....lol

Me too.

Ermac didn't impress me much in UMK3 but in MKD, my liking for him increased- great looks and when I saw his bio, I was pretty impressed. I do see potential for him in future MK games.

I do like his MKD telekinetic slam fatality.

No.

She was the bride of Kahn. She had to do something special. Her prominent role as being the foundation of MK3's storyline, the significant relationship she had with the game's boss, and being sported on the game's arcades is why I'm pretty sure they made her fly.

Why would they waste their time designing a totally untypical game feature (flying) just to let ONE character be able to use it? Obviously, they did it because she was a special character at that time.

You think it's because of her witch-like features, but that's only her make-up, hon. They wouldn't waste that amount of game memory on her if she were... "just a witch."

And Ermac isn't returning because there's just too many popular characters before him. Only the MK icons have a chance of being next-gen characters.

Then again, Ed has been known to give some of the crappy, low-charisma characters excessive attention, so who knows. (Not that Ermac is one of the crappy characters. I still hate him though.)

I said "witch-like" feel. That doesn't mean I was trying to say that they wanted her to be a witch or anything like that.

About Ermac, you can't say for sure whether he's returning or not, no matter what reasons you'd like to give. He has potential to return. Whether he returns or not is up to the MK team.

Subzero7th covered a lot of what I was going to say especially from the gameplay element but on top of that I wish to say or add a few things.

One concerning the levitation thing, I got to disagree with Sindels being better then Ermacs in MKD.

You see the whole "Bow down to me" gig in UMK3 with Sindel looks nice but does jack shit for gameplay, it's nothing more then eye candy as far as I'm concerned.All I have to do is jump kick Sindel and she's done or set up for a nice combo of my choosing.In this case if it's Ermac Sindel is done lol.

Where in MKD and MKA I assure everyone in this thread who feels different, I am living proof of why Ermac's levitation isn't crap in those games.You'd be surprised how good 50/50's they make, every time I do it in MKA 90% of the time my opponent attempts to jumk kick me knocking me out of the air.Logical?I think not, you see I anticipate this and simply use the >+3 for the dart kick thus knocking my opponent clear out of the air and my move has priority over their jumk kick MOST of the time.

Now, for his leviating ground slam well when missed Ermac is open for attack however from a far it's good to use once in a while and it's also good for those players who don't like to jump often thinking you'll do the dart kick with Ermac while levitating.I play online all the time so this is how I know.

The ripoff thing, I disagree with this because if anything Sindel is a ripoff of Ermac.Reason why I say this is because of the levitation move, you see Ermac was originally supposed to be in an earlier MK game before UMK3 but never made the cut.The character known as "Ermac" came to be since MK 1 which everyone here knows by now and that was before Sindel as a character was ever created.

Even though Ermac owns Sindel in Gameplay in every MK game they've both been in so far UMK3, MKD and MKA I was also referring to their storyline and powers in general.

If Sindel attempted to fly above Ermac all he has to do is literally grab her using TK and toss her around like a rag doll if he wanted.They're both pretty powerful but Ermac is simple more powerful.

Now as far as in gameplay is concerned as mentioned already, here's the deal.

UMK3 Ermac>Sindel tier wise. Ermac rapes Sindel in this game

MKD:Ermac>Sindel tier wise. Sindel gives Ermac more of a challenge in this game however not enough, Ermac out does her.

MKA Ermac>Sindel tier wise.This is a not that good of a match up, Sindel loses her key style from MKD automatically making her weaker.Ermac also loses his Hua Chuan however his Choy Lay Fut is a good style and his Axe is still very good.

Now comparing the character to character in mirrors.

UMK3 Ermac>MK:D and MKA Ermac.UMK3 Ermac is one of the best characters in the game period and in the right hands is beyond brutal with eextremely damaging combos.

Ermac has always been a great character to use and win with in every game he's been in thus far, however Ermac in UMK3 is the best so far out of all of them.He gets more moves showing off his power in the later ones.

Sindel now.

I would say Sindel is better in MKD then the way she is in UMK3 honestly.She's good in UMK3 but I must say, her styles in MKD made her very good.

The one thing that I did feel she lost however in the newer games is her air fireball move.That move or any air fireball move is a good thing.I would have brought this back personally for Sindel in the 3D games, forget the air levitate...

In MKA she's not that great sadly, she loses her key style from MKD in MKA making her worse right off the bat tier wise.You can use any character well, but she as far as a tier rated character falls in MKA as oppose to her MKD where she was better I must say.

But no need to brag, I'm listing fact.When it comes to these two characters gameplay wise and storyline/power wise it's Ermac >Sindel, that's all she wrote.


As far as future games, I must agree with Sub here.Who's to say they're not coming back?I know you don't want to hear this but if you asked me I'd say Ermac has a great chance then Sindel due to the popularity and storyline importance.

*sighs* *rolls eyes* Why do I even continue to argue with you people?

Ermac is better than Sindel ONLY in MKD/MKA.

Sindel is better than Ermac in UMK3 in everyway: Appearance (she ain't no different-color version of anyone), her story is a masterpiece compared to his (read her story at wikipedia.org. Shit, you can make a movie out all that fantastical soap-opera stuff. I love it!), and she has a strong arsenal of special moves compared to him. Combo-wise, meh. They're both regular in that sense. Niether has a super long combo. Although you can do a 73% combo with Sindel if you try hard. You can watch the video for this at YouTube. Oh and she also has a 73% combo in MKD. Also available at YouTube. Funny, they both ended up at 73%. What are the odds?

Anyway, I see you guys are stubborn about thinking that Ermac is better than Sindel in every MK game because you guys are fans of him. That's fine, that's understandable. But even I admit that my glorious bitch is cheaper than him in MKD.

Will you just be mature about it and admit that she's better than him in UMK3. I mean she was one of the most prominent characters story-wise, she was the boss' bride, she was undead, she had an awesome outfit, and tons of versatile abilities, including the most famous throw in the game (and don't deny that either).

If Ermac is such a bigshot, why'd he play such a shitty role in the movie? In case you didn't notice, all the major characters between MK1 and MK3 played significant roles in both of the MK films, so why wasn't Ermac one of the stars? Hell, he doesn't even have a single line in the movie.

I'm sorry, but y'all are just being delusional fans. She was huger, much huger than him back then. Nowadays, he's huger. And that's it. Grow up, admit it, and shut the hell up.

Geez!

Seeing as this has turned into a ermac vs. sindel thread i have to say in every game they BOTH appear in ermac wins by far. Keep inmind i said BOTH. Why? Becasue sindels first appearence in MK3 was good. she was one of the better playables and she had a good story. UMK3. The new characters introduced in regular MK3 were NOT the selling point of UMK3. Ermac among the new characters in that title however was. Sindel was great play wise. Ermac was greater this time round. yes it differs from player to player and ur own skill level. But the general consensus has always been ermac was top 5 in UMK/MKT. Ur not gonna win that argument as it's been around now for over a decade. As for decpetion ermac had better move set all around. Same with MKA. Im not denying sindels importence to the story in any game over ermacs.

As for her "popularity"? Tell me why all the pallet swaps were always the first to get action figures and the first to to sell out. Sindel has not been popular enough to even warrent being put on a possibity list for any of the holders that have had the MK lisence over the years. And her movie appearence? Being considered one of the worst parts of the film along with worst costume is not gonna help ur argument. However the characters that had more simplestic costumes and had no real speaking roles seemed to garner what little praise that film got. And who amongst others would be in that cateagory? Ermac. Her shinning moment was MK3.

For someone telling the rest of us just to "admit it" "be mature" & "grow up" u realy need to look at the fact that all ur tring to do is justify ur favorite character. All u need to say is "shes my favorite" No one will question u on that. Reptiles my favorite but i don't proclaim for him to have the most amazing story, move set, Costume or over all importence to MK. Just say u like her and move on with it before u bury yourslef even more.

I guess it's due to your urge to display your ignorance and apathy.



Please elaborate.



Subjective in regards to the appearance stuff. However, I will agree with you that Sindel's story is more to my liking in MK3-MKT than Ermac's UMK3/MKT story, but that's of course due to her having a more significant story.



Um, no...You obviously didn't even bother to read the tier list for UMK3, which lists Ermac as higher than Sindel. But I'm sure you don't care for tier lists as you don't care much about gameplay and don't know what the hell high-level gameplay is.



Yes, I'm a fan of Ermac, but I'm also a fan of Sindel. When I said Ermac is better than Sindel in UMK3, MKT, MKD, and MKA, I'm talking about the gameplay stuff, stuff you don't understand nor care about.



So basically, you want us to see things your way, because she's your favorite character?



Who said Ermac is such a bigshot? I just like the character, ok? MK: Annihilation is a shitty movie. And yes, he did have lines in that movie.



We're being delusional fans? You're the one who is delusional, overly biased towards Sindel and caring more about the fluff in the MK games as opposed to the core things like gameplay. And you're telling us to grow up and mature?

Woah, woah relax there sis geez. lol.Just to let you know I'm not in a fighting mood nor irrational one, I'm telling you from facts as I just stated and from personal high level competitive experience online/ offline.

Ermac has always been talked about ever since the "rumored Ermac" finally to show up in UMK3 but should have earlier.

To answer your movie question that's easy, being arguably the biggest and most obsessed MK fan on this site I can EASILY tell you that's simply because in MK:Annihilation the directors and producers FUCKED UP royally.

For one, they messed up the storyline horribly in just about every way possible.Ermac and Noob have absolutely NOTHING to do with one another lol.When I saw that I was like WOW....just wow...

Don't get me wrong, I love everything MK but even the hardcore fans MUST realize that the second movie was horribly done sadly as far as accuracy to the games and series true storyline.

And he didn't even use his powers=extremely lame...

But to answer your question on why Ermac would beat Sindel, I'll throw another valid point at ya hehe.

In MK:D Ermac took on all the chosen warriors and defeated them....now tell me this if he could handle that what can Sindel possible throw at Ermac that he can't handle?

Answer:

Hey if I were Ermac I would have some ..."fun" with my powers with the ladies if you get my drift hehe.I'm sure Sindel would like that lol.

I'm trying to cheer you up MQS(the bitch)

I'm sure everyone on this site knows you're the number on Sindel fan for sure by FARRR on here.I'll definitely give ya that.

The tier list is bullshit. Who actually falls for that crap? Most people know that what matters is how you strategize with your chosen character to fight well. Like I said, Sindel has a 73% combo in UMK3, whether she was lower on the tier list or not.

And mklegends, I already said Sindel's cheaper than Ermac in MKD. He can beat her ass there anytime. UMK3... she's superior to him in everyway. And I'm not just bragging about that because I'm her #1 fan. She was a star back then, had wild effective moves and combos, and a radiant distinctive look. He was just a filler-in spawned by a glitch. I mean, his projectile is the same as Shao Kahn's. His teleport is the same as Scorpian's. The telekinetic slam was his only original move. And his fatalities ('cept the TK one) blew bigtime.

For MKD however, they totally souped him up, made him a bigshot, gave him levitation, while Sindel got the exact opposite treatment for all those things. And that's why I begrudge him now.

Oh yeah, and the only major character that didn't get a signifant role in the MK movies (whether they sucked or not) was Mileena. I just realized that. She appeared though, thankfully.

How is the tier list bullshit? Tier lists are based on high-level competitive experience and knowing the best moves and strategies for each character.

Sindel was quite good in MK3-MKT. In MKD and MKA, it's the opposite. So what if Sindel has a 73% damage combo in UMK3? ALL of the characters had really high-damaging combos, even Ermac.

Sindel is NOT cheaper than Ermac in MKD. Ermac is a mid tier character and Sindel is low-mid/low tier.

Throws play a big part in MKD's gameplay and guess what? Sindel has the WORST throw in MKD. Why? It's because her throw gives the opponent an advantage. He/she can QR (quick recover), walk up, and kick Sindel's ass.

It's times like these i wish older MK games had online so some of us could prove whos bette the old fashoned way.

ok you might get offended but i don't care, GET OUT OF THIS THREAD!, okay we get it you've got a fanboy love crush for Sindel, and guess what NOBODY CARES, it's fact that in UMK3 Ermac was a better character playwise, stop defending Sindel because YOU brought her up, go play around in some "Official Sindel Thread"

Sindel has never been an interesting character, and just because you are one of the few that appears to have chosen her as a favorite DOES NOT mean you should try and push it on other people,

7_th, read this...

http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/forum/showmessage.cds?id=101049

It regards tier lists. It's another thread in MKO.

And Pupil, why do I make you so angry, sweety? Could it be because........ I'M RIGHT!!!

What you said about Sindel is just a matter of opinion. She's clearly desired over a chunk of another kombatants. ......I'm not the only one who put her as part of my user name. Lots of shitty character like Jarek, Dairou, and Hotaru, I've never seen others sporting their name. So fuck off.

All I said was that I begrudge Ermac for a certain reason, and then 7_th had to throw all this garbage at him. Well bitches like me don't take that kind of shit.

lmao. The only thing you did was prove me right as people like Konqrr and dreemernj, who know what the hell they are talking about, summed things up nicely.

Behold, the Bitch of the Blind.

Seriously, your ignorance is becoming quite axiomic.

Uh, no I didn't. Kon and Dreem were of the few who agreed with you. Most people agree that it's all a matter of personal skill.

The thing is, you're just a nerd. I bet if Reptile were placed at the top of the MK2 tier list, you'd be thinking he's the topdog in that game. Wouldn't you?

Not everyone can beat the game or other people with Mileena. See my point? Personal skill and characters that suit you is what matters in the end, except to nerds who believe everything they read.

If Reptile were placed at the top of the MK2 list, I'd ask for a brief explanation as to why.

Tier lists aren't done out of liking a particular character or anything like that. It has to do with playing the character at his/her best, basically high-level gameplay.

Those who say that it's all a matter of personal skill don't know what they're talking about.

Mileena has big advantages over other characters thus why she's the best in MK2. There are actual and logical reasons behind the rankings for characters in fighting games. That's why Ermac is top tier in UMK3 and MKT while being mid tier in MKD and MKA. It's all about the moves he has.

you make me angry because your an ignorant stubborn, Fanboy who doesn't know when to stop, i'm actually surprised your still here

and your not right your wrong,

Don't you mean fangirl?