Another thing to consider about the Fujin/Raiden issue, and whether or not Fujin will take over as protector of Earthrealm, is that in MK:DA, they chose to have Raiden return to the role.

Everything was set up perfectly. Raiden and Fujin's endings from MK4 were established as if they were canon, so everything was perfect for Fujin to return, but he didn't. To me, this screams volumes about his priority in the eyes of the MK Team. Sure, they might decide that it's the right direction to take the story, and put Fujin in the role despite them deciding against continuing that storyline earlier, but with a new slate coming, I think only the characters they really want back will return.

I think Fujin had some concept art for the game, much like Kai did (I honestly would have preferred them to be in instead of Mokap and Blaze), but he didn't end up making the final cut. This means that it could be argued that Li Mei has a better chance of returning than Fujin.

Raiden has definitely got the better shot, statistically, of returning, even if Fujin makes more sense from a story perspective.

That doesn't mean that everyone will be gone.

No, I don't think Raiden or Fujin will be back to mentor. We need something new instead of the same rehashed storyline.

So all these people saying they will be back...this that....are really long winded and wrongheaded

Hu? Honestly now, some of what you stated is confusing.

I didn't say he was "too passive", I said he has always been more passive than Raiden. And that he should be, considering that Wind is a passive and then aggressive element. Wind is most aggressive from a centrifugal vantage point.



To further the comparison between Fujin and Raiden for a quick second.

1. Well, the way they introduced Fujin was passive to begin with. He came in as a God, yea....but a subordinate....a subsidiary to a leader...Raiden. That's a passive situation to begin with (i.e. Employer//Worker), He wasn't brought in on an equal plain as Raiden. He was first presented as a survivor, and a candidate for election.

2. Wind IS the passive element...It is everywhere, all the time. More importantly, "Momentum" is passive. A main ingredient in wind conduct.

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1. Raiden was introduced aggressive, a bit hot headed, and intimidating in the beginning. He has always been the leader. Humans see him the most. He actually mentors the elite group up until he can't anymore. He violates, and or rebells against the hierarchy...even before the sacrifice.

2. Lightning//Electricity is the most extreme, most violent element your gonna get on earth. Thunder is the passive portion of Raiden. Aggressive still.

There's no way you're gonna convince me that Fujin is "more" or even equal to Raiden. That'd be a joke. They're not evenly matched at all...there's almost nothing to compare.



I can help you there. Vaguely and roughly now:

It had to do with Carlos Pesina(Raiden) and his brother Daniel Pesina(Johny Cage). Daniel got fired or left...Daniel got involved with development of another Mk-looking game....Carlos got fired or put on probation by Midway...Carlos was forbade to work on such a project with production of MK3 in the works....he did it anyway.

No Raiden in Mk3 - UMK3 == No money for Carlos for Raiden.

By the time MkT came out, all was reconciled(or most) and he was allowed to come back and start doing mo-cap for Mk4>>

The End...vaguely and roughly told.

I looked that up a while ago...don't know if it's still out there for the public to read anymore though. I had to dig when I found it.

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Your "B" is speculation. Nothing in MK is explained in vivid detail.

In Shang Tsungs MKA bio it says that their souls "intertwined", and that the fought in the "ether" for a while....in Fujins MKA bio it simply identifies that Raiden commands Liu Kangs corpes.

The other stuff you wrote about Ermac, I don't understand...

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Lastly, I don't buy that Sub Zero "God" line of story for one bit. I don't like it, and I think it's just what the rest of the endings were in MKA. "B-S"

And besides that, we're now talking about the younger Sub-Zero when we say the name. I don't think he's done enough for God-induction yet. Yes, I know that sounds mean spirited, but to me, you gotta do waaaay more, or one Humongous, colossal thing in order to become a god.

Hell, if they do that with Sub Zero, It's not hard to imagine that they'd likely make a run at a "God of War"//Kratos approach for Sub Zero, and have "the gods" send Sub-Zero after Raiden. Lol!

That's lame for everybody...too predictable...and somebody has done that type of thing before.

I'm a little confused here. I had made it clear that Fujin has been Earthrealm's protector god for a little while now. He WAS appointed to take over Raiden's position, and even in MKDA, Fujin was still Earthrealm's protector god. He simply stayed back in Earthrealm to defend it while Raiden leads the others to Outworld in order to take down the Deadly Alliance.

I have to disagree with the idea of not having Fujin being the mentor/protector god, because that would be putting his potential to waste. He only returned in MKA, and we haven't gotten that much insight as to how he handles his duties and even less on how he interacts with the other heroes. To me, it'd be wise for him to continue his role and for us to see how he handles things, especially if the dangers were to escalate.

I gotta ask cuz I really want more from your perspective here...

Why does he have to be a mentor//classic mentor-type? How would not making him a mentor, waste his potential?


Good point on why he should return though. I'm not so opposed to having him playable now. But I'll still stand by what I said about his personality for now.

Raiden instructed Fujin to guide the mortals, because they could fall into the trap of self-destruction. I'm not saying that he has to have the qualities of the typical mentor character. However, he should not be denied of the mentor role. At the same time, I think that Fujin should be a bit more distant from the heroes than Raiden was, namely in terms of attachment. This could be something that would contrast Fujin with Raiden though perhaps Fujin would grow to understand the value of the mortals. But at the same time, it doesn't have to be in the same way. Perhaps Fujin could be somewhat more militaristic in his approach to guiding/mentoring the heroes.

Damn, I accidentally deleted my own post lol awe well have to type it all out again.

Ok, I was saying that for one and I'm not sure how SubZero7th feels on this since he's a big fan of him but personally, I'd be all for Subby becoming an Ice God. I mean if you think about it, he's been doing good since MK2+ on and always been good unlike his brother who turned into Noob-Saibot and became corrupted by Netherream.

So I really do hope that SubZero becomes an Ice God, who knows we can be looking at newer and more powerful Ice powers that he already has making him even better. I think it's a pretty cool idea(pun intended ; ) )

As for sending him after Raiden, I'm not sure if that will happen just a theory I had that would IMO make sense as far as Sub proving himself to the Elder Gods and why with lots of power, he can do major good and let's face it nobody on here can tell me Raiden's doing "major good deeds" right now despite his intentions lol.




As for Raiden not being in MK3, honestly I'm a little skeptical about wiki and MK info after that bs few while ago concerning the "One Being" and all that created by a fan claiming it to be canon, but say that story with the Pesina brothers are true. If it is it is, if not, it's not.

Midway could have easily substituted Carlos for another actor easily lol. I mean for one, Raiden is one of those characters that's always sporting a new look in every game he's been in, except for the hat obviously. They could have got another actor and just used CGI for his eyes, not a big deal instead of using that excuse not to put Raiden in the game. My personaly view on that. But all in all, it worked out alright for the storyline so I have no complaints.


As for Fujin now, well honestly I disagree highly. Being the God of Wind is yes obviously not as powerful as Lighting however, being the God of wind shouldn't be taken lightly either. I don't believe Fujin is as passive as you're making him out to be honestly.

In MK:M SZ he proved to be quite an adversary in creating huge tornadoes, wind gusts that can easily kill an army with ease. He could also do things that we haven't even seen what Fujin's fully capable of and much like Raiden(until MK:DA) he has that "good guy" mentality similar to Superman where he doesn't go crazy with his power potential very often let's admit.


Secondly, we haven't seen Fujin really go "nuts" with his powers other then the same moves more or less that he had in MK4 with a few new twists(pun not intended) like Raiden has in MK:DA. I'm sure he could easily create several wind gusts, larger tornadoes, levitate himself as high as he wishes etc. He's just like Raiden in the sense that both are immortal Gods(not Elder but immortal none the less) from the Heavens despite the powers being different. He also has one edge over Raiden as well in the sense Fujin can also fly/glide somewhat. If you watch in MK4(Fujin's first appearance) he flies when he wins a Round/Match, in MKA he uses the wind to levitate himself as well. Raiden teleports, Fujin flies/levitates.glides with his wind powers. So, he's not exactly a slouch lol.

I have no doubt in my mind that if Fujin wanted to, he could bring a whole arena down or house down if he wanted to. I'd love to see a fatality down the line where he went nuts with the wind like say something like his huge tornado cyclone in MKM:Sub-Zero lol.

Now for MKA, say his ending is indeed canon, I think this alone is a step that proves himself as he has showed in MKA's konquest mode in general.

Bringing Kung Lao in as his head commander taking the place of god/mentor leader and warrior like Raiden did with Liu Kang is awesome and very logical given the of late circumstances in Raiden's case.

I agree with Sub-Zero the 7th here in the case that we've seen Fujin prove himself and we haven't seen Fujin really, really develope into what he has lots of potential to become. He's smart, aggressive when needs to be and a worthy fighter. God of Wind and Protector Of Earthrealm and unlike Raiden currently has a head on his shoulders to get the job done logically and without any evil/dark tactics to get it done either. And on what he said concerning Fujin getting the job done with a more military approach but at the same caring for the mortals and earthrealm, it's a great idea and I think Midway hinted at that with Fujin's MKA ending should it be canon. I hope it does honestly. I also have to agree and on the point he brought up concerning Fujin not getting emotionally attached as Raiden did, that kind of made Raiden soft at times IMO which his enemies can see and take advantage of. Fujin would make a great mentor/leader in his own "style" which honestly should be different then Raiden's.







I see what you're saying here but like subzero7th already covered, Fujin since MK4 has been the protector of Earthrealm, just because he hasn't been in many games doesn't make him not there. Like take the MK3 Raiden point I referred to earlier, he wasn't a "fighter" but he had a role, same as Fujin has had since MK4, but only playable in MK4 and in MKA.

Personally, at this stage I think Raiden had his chance and for the most part did a good job, now it's Fujin's turn. With Raiden being lost right now and practicing things such as resurrecting Liu Kang's dead body to fight evil is dark in itself and not the way a leader/mentor should be doing things. Just my opinion on the future between Fujin and Raiden(should midway take the route of "let's pick one, not both" Fujin at this stage is more logical. This of course if even if they decide to bring back one or both of them. I'm sure right now the only two characters for sure that will return will be Sub-Zero and Scorpion, everyone else is a big ? at this point.

clean slate does not mean they take an eraser to the previous story and forget it, they are just goin in a completely new direcction, never commented on disregarding the past.

I like this idea. Personally, I would love to see Sub-Zero's MK:A ending come true. I love god characters. And Sub-Zero would be awesome as protector, IMO.

About Sub-Zero becoming an Ice God, I'm not particularly too fond of that idea. I'd rather just have his story explored with the Cryomancer ancestry and armor along with being more involved with the main threats and all that.

Ah-hah, okay. That sounds really good actually. hm.

You know, I think It'd be interesting to see if one or two of the Earth characters are kind of standoff-ish with Fujin. Or like, not immediately excepting of his presence since what happened to Raiden..? "Generalizes all the gods as the same" ect ect..lol Who would be that character though.....?

Sonya or someone new from the Military? Some one who has a problem with authority (or had a distasteful encounter about Raiden...heard horror stories, or actually came in contact with Raiden) maybe? Anyway...yea.



1. A comparison between those elements is impossible. lol Raiden would have to have a fault, or be at a disadvantage of some sort.

Hypothetically speaking, wind doesn't stand a chance against lighting. Potency, distance, effect...nothing's really comparable. Lightning//Electricity is just...more powerful. The wielder of the element would have to have a fault himself in order to loose out on that deal. "Raidens own mentality" would have to play a part in him "loosing" a battle with Fujin.

2. Nobody on the roster has ever used up....even 10% of their potential "power". Even though we did get to see Raiden sacrifice himself. Again, we're dealing in hypothetics here...but I'm absolutely certain Fujin & Raiden have lots of abilities yet to be exploited.

All it takes is to think about "what a person would do while in control of an element", instead of "what an element has been seen to do"...and then give that to a character. Very different view-points there.

So I agree here, but only to an extent. Neither Fujin(definitely not Fujin), nor Raiden has "gone nuts" with their powers...because neither of them have been exploited under normal//regular circumstances.

It's a matter of character building when it gets to that point...because what you can do normally...on a regular basis, let's people gauge where a characters power probably would end. (he definitely can't do this or that, but they absolutely can do that and this...

"It's the little things that count"....?? lol

3. Fujins' MKA ending I'm not entirely opposed to his ending actually...Look at it:

As the energy of Blaze coursed through Fujin, it transformed the wind god into a storm of justice.
His power increased exponentially, he created a new realm from the shattered remnants of worlds that had fallen victim to Shao Kahn's aggression.
From there, the forces of Light will stage their operations, with Kung Lao as Fujin's commanding general.

It'd be a good way to show us how limitless Gods of Earth are. Although, Fujin creating a realm sounds a bit ridiculous. It's like having a big "death ray" hovering over Earth all the time...lol

I'd rather see Fujin end up being responsible for getting things on Earth back in order. I'd have him show face to the different factions on Earth (good or bad alignment) and lay down some rules. Maybe even be a more active enforcer of those "rules of peace" than Raiden was through the White Lotus Soiety.

Interesting theory, however I just want to point this out man. Something you said actually that I find a bit interesting. You know how you said Fujin nor Raiden have "gone nuts" thus far, Raiden kind of did a little bit man in MKD lol. The sacrificial homemade lightining nuke, not exactly small man LOL...

I mean first time I saw that I was like wow Raiden vaporized everyone and everything within a half mile radius except the Dragon King ha, ha..

I'm not saying that's his full potential but not small by any means ha, ha.

You raise good points with the Fujin wind vs. Raiden and lightning, but at the same time it's like I said earlier in which you agree on and also mentioned.

It's "who wields" the power rather then the power itself. I'm sure if say Fujin or Raiden(in theory here) or someone like Shang had their powers they'd go insane with wind and lighting powers and kill lots of people lol know what I mean?

So, more or less I agree with what you bring up here.

The only thing I slightly disagree with you on here is the last part on Fujin being able to create a realm out of the fragments. Reason why is because well going on what you said earlier, Fujin like Raiden we haven't seen use his "full power" to his fullest potential so who's to say he couldn't create a realm with that, on top of the power that went thru him from Blaze. I'd say it's possible, he's already a god which is powerful in itself so I'd buy into that. Same as if Raiden did it, they're both gods and God's have power, lots of it in most cases

Lets leave the realm creating to the Elder Gods and whoever the else created them.

And by the way mklegend, Raiden can fly. As a matter of fact, I'm sure all the Gods can fly.

I didn't say that they would. I just said that all these characters getting expanded on is probably not going to happen. A clean slate means that the story from Armageddon is, like it or not, probably already settled.

The "clean slate" you seem to be suggesting is the same as every other installment in the MK universe. Some characters die, some come back, others stick around. Boon saying the MK Team was starting from scratch would be a completely redundant statement for him to make if you had an entire cast of follower characters returning.

You're right, Fujin has been the protector of Earthrealm, and he did get the torch passed to him by Raiden in MK4. Don't you think it would have made sense for him to be in MK5, then?

I'm just saying that regardless of whether or not Fujin is a good character, or powerful in the storyline, he just doesn't seem to have the favour. You kind of pointed it out yourself when you said "He only returned in MKA." Why was he gone when he could have still been an active part of the games? The answer is, the MK Team probably favours Raiden, for whatever reason.

Don't get me wrong, from a storyline perspective, Fujin makes a lot of sense to return as the protector of Earthrealm, but I'm not sure if I'd bet money on it. It would have made sense for him to be in the direct sequel to MK4 and Raiden, but that didn't happen.

It won't shock me if Fujin makes it in, but it wouldn't shock me if the character gets retired, either. The only reason I can see Fujin making it in, is if the MK Team says nuts to the preferences, and brings Fujin back because it makes sense to the story, and he'd probably have a complete makeover.

Personally, and this is just my personal opinion, I don't think the character is interesting enough compared to who else could be in the role, nor popular enough to justify him making a streamlined shortlist of returning characters into the next arc of MK8. I'd take him over Raiden (as it is), but I standby my statement that Raiden has the better chance, just because of his "icon" status.

You have to understand that MKDA and MKD took place more in Outworld, so for Fujin to be a playable character in those games wouldn't work as well, because he wouldn't be too relevant to the main stories. For him to retire would be putting his potential to waste. I mean, let's say he retires. What about his duties as Earthrealm's protector god? Is he just not going to uphold them or is he going to pass them on to someone else? If it's the former, then Raiden's choice was horrible. If it's the latter, that would suck, because we didn't see much of Fujin, and therefore, we didn't see much exploration into his character.

scorpion and sub have already been confirmed to come back since LONG ago.

are they gonna just forget about scorps and quans feud? about sub and noobs feud? about all this stuff they have built so long on?

even tho they say they will, i doubt it.

i do agree the story from mka to do with the DK and all that stuff of a threat is over, it is liekly a new threat will arise.

i agree with you, but disagree in the sense that the past simply cannot be forgotten in the mk universe, it is essential, even in mk1 they had a story of how the characters came to be.

Only in the sense of of his Superman/Push move, Raiden has yet to actually fly up and stay there like Fujin has in the past(not that it matters just saying). BTW, not all gods can't fly, they're all immortal and powerful but not all can fly

What are you talking about dude?

Raiden CAN "Fly", man.

something i am very interested to see is the elder gods themselves. what there judgement of raiden will be for his recent actions and attitude aswell as what they will see in fujin now.

but since the mk team is "whiping the slate clean", i wouldnt be surprised if they kill raiden, before mk8, install fujin as the protector of earthrealm, and maybe make somebody else into fujins place. taven maybe? or maybe the tournament could be hosted by the elder gods for a position of "god".

so many possibilities as to what mk8 could consist of. hopefully we know more by tomorrow.
-Casselman

What you just said doesn't make any sense. Fujin has been Earthrealm's protector since the postition was given to him by Raiden in MK:4.

Also, I don't think Taven can be a Eathrealm god for he does not originate from that realm.

I always thought/got the impression that his MK 4 ending was more of the Elder God's summoning Raiden up to the sky, I don't know the way it looked lol since we've never seen Raiden Fly like that before in any game(always been earthbound for the most part0 know what I mean? It does appear however with his Superman impression like he's flying on his own, tough to tell...

If he can fly, I mean like "superman flying" thru the sky really fast I'd love to see that more down the line should Raiden return.

I doubt they will completely forget about it, but what you might get is a sentence recapping it. "After killing the sorcerer who murdered his family, Scorpion..." "After laying the corrupted soul of his brother to rest, Sub-Zero..." etc.

I wouldn't be so sure that because Sub-Zero and Scorpion are returning, that means we will get Quan Chi, Noob Saibot, Sareena, Frost, etc. We may not get any of them.

There will be back-stories, and hopefully elaboration on just what went down at Armageddon (I'm hoping we discover the certain fates of the characters, except for the ones that are returning, of course), but I think you might be getting your hopes up on a lot of characters getting explored more. Some will, no doubt, but most of them will probably be left in the past.

I get what you're saying, I really do. However, when Raiden was protector, he was still in games. Now while it made sense for Fujin to stay in the realm he was protecting, what on earth was Raiden doing in MK2? In MKDA, Raiden could have been playable from the start, and Fujin could have been bought in the Krypt. Or they could have had Fujin lead Earthrealm's warriors, while Raiden temporarily returns to his status as protector.

Fujin not being in MKDA or MKD can be explained by your points, but I don't think that justifies it, especially if the MK Team really wanted to explore the character. While they never retconned the story, MK4 was the passing of the torch to many characters (Quan Chi as a villain, Fujin as the new god, Kai as a new hero), but when MKDA came along, they pretty much decided to almost completely ignore MK4's contributions to the MK universe.

I think from a storyline sense it would make sense to explore Fujin's character more. I personally was never that invested in him, though, so I would not mind him replacing the fallen Raiden as Elder God, and appointing a new protector. It may be wasted potential, but there is wasted potential in Stryker's character. Does that mean he should return?

I still standby my belief that if the MK Team was really invested in Fujin's character, then he'd have been in Raiden's spot in MKDA, or at least been in there somewhere. What about when Onaga was threatening the realms, and Raiden would have come looking for Fujin for help, no longer trusting mortals? Fujin's absences can be explained, yes, and it makes sense for him to return, yes, but I don't think he will.