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02/19/2008 02:06 AM (UTC)
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wait.

i realize now i did make a plot error thinking raidens mk4 ending was untrue. because he relinquished his elder god status in MKDA.

where was fujin in MKDA then? i think im missing something.
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02/19/2008 02:40 AM (UTC)
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To You-Know-Who: I kind of see what you're saying, but I think that with MKDA, they wanted more of that familiarity by having Raiden.

One of MKDA's weaknesses with the story is that it doesn't explain too much about the events of MK4, making MK4's story even weaker. The difference between Fujin and Stryker is that Fujin is more important as he was appointed to become Earthrealm's new protector god. Such a role would make him more significant to the story than the likes of Stryker. I actually think that Fujin has a good chance of returning given his return in MKA.

To Casselman: Fujin stayed behind in Earthrealm in MKDA.
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02/19/2008 03:11 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
To You-Know-Who: I kind of see what you're saying, but I think that with MKDA, they wanted more of that familiarity by having Raiden.


Thats basically the same reason why Fujin wasn't in Mortal Kombat: Deception.
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02/19/2008 05:33 AM (UTC)
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Casselman Wrote:
wait.

i realize now i did make a plot error thinking raidens mk4 ending was untrue. because he relinquished his elder god status in MKDA.

where was fujin in MKDA then? i think im missing something.


In the story he stayed behind in Earthrealm. As far as the actual production reason goes, I believe there were sketches and concepts done of him to be in MK:DA, but they never included him for whatever reason.
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02/19/2008 05:39 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
To You-Know-Who: I kind of see what you're saying, but I think that with MKDA, they wanted more of that familiarity by having Raiden.

One of MKDA's weaknesses with the story is that it doesn't explain too much about the events of MK4, making MK4's story even weaker. The difference between Fujin and Stryker is that Fujin is more important as he was appointed to become Earthrealm's new protector god. Such a role would make him more significant to the story than the likes of Stryker. I actually think that Fujin has a good chance of returning given his return in MKA.

To Casselman: Fujin stayed behind in Earthrealm in MKDA.


I do think they went with the familiarity by having Raiden there, I'd definitely agree with that. I don't see why they couldn't have included Fujin, though, instead of a character like Mokap, or even a character like Johnny Cage (who they still weren't taking seriously, and they now had Bo' Rai Cho to replace).

It just seems to me like Fujin, while he does have an important role in the story, is just not a priority as far as his inclusion in games is concerned. I'm not even sure I would consider his MKA appearance a return, because the game was pretty much Mortal Kombat: Underdeveloped Character Orgy.

His story definitely gives him more weight than say, Stryker (since we're already using him), but I would still argue that the MK Team would go with familiarity again, and include Raiden on their shortlist before Fujin. I personally think Fujin is a better choice than Raiden, but I would also be intrigued by a completely new character in the role more so than Fujin returning.

He was never really that interesting to me, even though he could be with a little bit of a make-over (I personally think his character design is boring).
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02/19/2008 04:32 PM (UTC)
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Only in the sense of of his Superman/Push move, Raiden has yet to actually fly up and stay there like Fujin has in the past(not that it matters just saying). BTW, not all gods can't fly, they're all immortal and powerful but not all can flyglasses


What are you talking about dude?

Raiden CAN "Fly", man.


I always thought/got the impression that his MK 4 ending was more of the Elder God's summoning Raiden up to the sky, I don't know the way it looked lol since we've never seen Raiden Fly like that before in any game(always been earthbound for the most part0tongue know what I mean? It does appear however with his Superman impression like he's flying on his own, tough to tell...

If he can fly, I mean like "superman flying" thru the sky really fast I'd love to see that more down the line should Raiden return.

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Ooh now that's just being hard-headed. lol

All I'm gonna say is: It is what it is man. He can fly up and stay, he's got the torpedo move..Just because he doesn't float around the game doesn't mean that it's not an ability he posses. All that means to me is that it didn't make sense to have "everybody who can fly...doing so".

I don't doubt that Shinnok(a creator of the realms), Nitara(has wings), Smoke("smoke" literally rises), and even Shujinko(steals peoples abilities) are also characters that are not bound to Earth. It just doesn't make any sense to have them, along with the other obvious flying characters...all floating around. That'd be silly for the sake of proving your point MkFl.

Especially when Raiden is shown repeatedly throughout mk history...flying around, hovering, propelling himself without the real use of the ground or his feet.

Here's another example...and there are a couple others.

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02/19/2008 09:24 PM (UTC)
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I think their Should be Some Kind of new guy. And he is a Decendent of them...? Sorry, right now I can't spell haha.
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02/20/2008 03:46 AM (UTC)
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ThePredator151 Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
ThePredator151 Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Only in the sense of of his Superman/Push move, Raiden has yet to actually fly up and stay there like Fujin has in the past(not that it matters just saying). BTW, not all gods can't fly, they're all immortal and powerful but not all can flyglasses


What are you talking about dude?

Raiden CAN "Fly", man.


I always thought/got the impression that his MK 4 ending was more of the Elder God's summoning Raiden up to the sky, I don't know the way it looked lol since we've never seen Raiden Fly like that before in any game(always been earthbound for the most part0tongue know what I mean? It does appear however with his Superman impression like he's flying on his own, tough to tell...

If he can fly, I mean like "superman flying" thru the sky really fast I'd love to see that more down the line should Raiden return.

grin


Ooh now that's just being hard-headed. lol

All I'm gonna say is: It is what it is man. He can fly up and stay, he's got the torpedo move..Just because he doesn't float around the game doesn't mean that it's not an ability he posses. All that means to me is that it didn't make sense to have "everybody who can fly...doing so".

I don't doubt that Shinnok(a creator of the realms), Nitara(has wings), Smoke("smoke" literally rises), and even Shujinko(steals peoples abilities) are also characters that are not bound to Earth. It just doesn't make any sense to have them, along with the other obvious flying characters...all floating around. That'd be silly for the sake of proving your point MkFl.

Especially when Raiden is shown repeatedly throughout mk history...flying around, hovering, propelling himself without the real use of the ground or his feet.

Here's another example...and there are a couple others.



lol it's all good man, I think we're just thinking of two different definitions of "flying" in a Superman sense say, we've yet to see any God fly like that, in the sense of floating or leviating up to the sky, then yes Both Fujin and Raiden can "fly" lol but FTR Raiden hasn't really been seen flying around all over the place lol but it does appear that Fujin and Raiden in some ways such as flying in this case appear to be equal I guess...

For the other characters, they can fly to a point...I don't believe Cyber Smoke can "fly" more of levitating up to a certain point.

Shujinko it's assumed that since he has just about everyones powers in MKD/MKA he can do the powers he uses in gameplay and then some, he does have Raiden's move that's flying kind of.

Nitara can fly also, just surprised we haven't seen more of that since she has wings and all. FTR, in MK:DA she has an escape move where she flys back away using her wings so it wouldn't be silly to show more characters that can fly, fly.

Shinnok btw just FTR can also fly, also ironically ha, ha in MK4 his ending where he destroy's Raiden(which didn't happen, but Shinnok can fly I'm sure if he wanted to) more of that levitated fly lol

Sindel can fly if she wanted, Mk3 we saw this.

Ermac unfortunately can't fly but levitate himself all over the place hehe

I'm sure there's a few others I didn't list but you get the point ha, ha

BTW, to the dude that said Fujin being in MK:DA, that's not true like some others covered in here already Raiden being in there pretty much killed that for Fujin due to Storyline, if they wanted to I suppose Fujin could have been in there but I thought it was better the way they did it putting him in MKA since Raiden got corrupted, the time for Fujin was an opportune one

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02/20/2008 09:09 PM (UTC)
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Fujin should of at least been in Deception as a super-unlockable or at least been fight able during konquest.
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