Theres always something to complain about...I actually enjoyed most if not all of them for what they were meant to be: A what if scenario. Nothing more.

blackcyborg said: Theres always something to complain about...I actually enjoyed most if not all of them for what they were meant to be: A what if scenario. Nothing more.


THANK YOU I'm sick and damn tired of people saying the endings suck its a what if in a non-canon game get over it

Just because they're not true does NOT mean they are allowed to suck.

Even IF they are what-if scenarios, a lot of them are dry, short, uninspired, and ridiculous (not funny, just ridiculous). Having read dozens of alternate universe DC stories and Marvel's "What If" comics, I can attest to liking some really bizarre, unique approaches to the normal continuity, but these endings really aren't very well thought out.

Catwoman turns into a black panther and will never be caged again.... right... sure.... that's clever how?

I didn't expect MK vs DCU to have a good story, but I did expect it to have some adaquate endings. Sadly, the trainwreck that is the MK storyline, even in alternate universes, continues its downward spiral into just flat out bad concepts and execution.

Seriously, Batman, Superman, Sub-Zero, and Scorpion are absolutely EPIC characters, so why are their endings incredibly unoriginal and goofy?

Why does boning *shivers* Mileena not count?

But let's say it doesn't: He led the attack on the Shaolin Temple in MK:SM (presuming that's canon), dealt exclusively with Quan Chi during MKgold (presuming that's canon), and it's safe to say he held a reasonably high military status during MKD. I don't see a generic tarkatan doing all these things.

Shaolin Monks is irrelevant...Baraka's MK2 bio states he led the attack.

Baraka is only the leader of his horde because he's the horde's most vicious fighter. There's nothing going on behind his eyes to make him a good military commander, it's a race of dumb animals led by a dumb animal who's arbitrarily better at biting and clawing than the rest.

It's like saying the alpha male of a wolf pack has the most personality. It's still just a ****ing wolf.

Mokap has more personality than Baraka does.
P.S. XiahouDun, you asked what Wonder Woman's ending was. She finds magical artifacts from the MK universe left behind on Themyscira and starts using them to protect Earth, becoming "unstoppable". They're not identified by name, but they look to be Ashrah's Kriss, Shinnok's Amulet, and a shield that looks like the MKDA logo (that spiked V shape).

After they've put so much effort into the story mode, I thought they would be putting a little effort into the endings as well. Seriously, what were they smoking?

I actually really like the endings.

Firstly, the paintings are beautiful. Just f*cking gorgeous.

Second, it's very clever of them to have each one reference a character from the other universe, showing that in the "What If" continuity this game takes place in, things won't just go on as if nothing ever happened, the two worlds actually left lasting impressions on one another.
Raiden's powers work opposite from Superman's, Catwoman gains an Animality, Jax becomes like Teen Titans' Cyborg, Sonya joins the GL corps, etc. As a fan of both universes, I find all these back and forth in-references kinda intriguing and they make me actually hope there an MK vs DC 2 some day to see them followed up on.
What would you guys who aren't pleased have come up with instead? Was it just not what you expected? I'm not even sure what there is to be disappointed about.
I mean, I thought they'd be something far more shallow and irrelevant, like each ending would just be about the character returning to their ordinary life as it was before the merger and that's it. These are way cooler than that.

Alright, it isn't what any of us want, but the notion of a sequel that would follow through on all the bizarre transformations of the endings actually strikes me as an intriguing prospect. As much as "mistakes" in MKvsDC are a problem, the lack of commitment to anything substantial is as much a negative.

A game that follows up this pseudo-Amalgam version of the universes could be really interesting!

A paragraph of inconsequential (sometimes familiar) text with a single image isn't a great way to meet expectations, but if nothing else, MKvsDC2 could at least make something out of them. Or, failing that, maybe some DLC relevant to it.

The changes and lingering threads implied by the endings seem to forecast a fuller game than this one. Not that that isn't disappointingly typical of MK endings and plot points, in general.

EDIT: If I'd seen RazorEdge701's post, I could've just said, "I agree."

I kinda agree, kinda don't

They certainly get an A+ in concept, but the execution gets a D from me.

Alright, let's go over some basic ontology.

The most primitive level is corporeal being, which applies to entities that are purely matter and only change under natural forces (EX: Rocks). We are not concerned with this group.

The second level is sentient being. This applies to entities that can undergo sensations and stimuli, but have no ability of deliberation. They can undergo mental state A, mental state B, and mental state C, but while undergoing state C, they have no ability to reflect on state A. Wolves would qualify in this category.

The third level is consciousness, and entities which exercise this level of being are deemed persons. Persons have all the qualities of a sentient being, but in addition to these qualities, they can exercise volition. This is where Baraka stands. Despite all his animalistic traits, he is still ultimately a person with the faculties of rationality, contemplation, and self-causality. We know this because:

A) Baraka can speak fluent language, a unique staple of personhood, and

B) He clearly deliberates beyond instinct. He may have the instinct to kill, but has demonstrated that he can refrain from doing so.

I'm not trying to be a pretentious asshole. I truly, TRULY mean that. Everything I'm telling you I'm sure you already know. But but I want to explain it clearly now so I don't have clarify later. Even if Baraka did none of the things I mentioned in my previous post, he is still an individual character (one I don't even like!)

Calling that ending in MKvsDC "Baraka's ending" is a slight against meaning, and therefore, lame. If I was a Baraka fan, I would have been more annoyed.

All you have to do is name one character trait Baraka has that no other Tarkatan has.

All that wall of text about the definition of sentience demonstrates to me is that you can't, because if you could, you would've saved yourself the trouble and just done that.

Baraka is a very snappy dresser. Duh.

For the third time, he LED the taraktan. He has leadership skillZ. I told you this before, and later elaborated on ontology because it appeared you had decided his unique traits were all of the sudden irrelevant. My previous post demonstrates that by logical law of identity, grouping Baraka vaguely with the rest of the Tarkatan is semantically wrong!

No offense, dude, but I feel like I'm talking to the Bobs from Office Space.

And I told YOU that Baraka's leadership position is based on his superiority as a FIGHTER, which in Baraka's case, means brute strength and berserker rage, NOT intelligence or tactical thinking. Being the nearly mindless leader of a nearly mindless horde is NOT a personality trait and it never will be so come up with something else or drop it.

(One-way semantics and misreadings are kinda his thing! Don't spoil it!)

MK's ineffective fight mechanics, which are shared among all fighters, aside; I don't think we've ever seen anything to undermine Baraka's skills as a fighter. I'm sure he doesn't have the finesse of a Liu Kang, but we've always known him as one of - if not the - best the Tarkata have to offer. Not just as a fighter, but also a leader.

It doesn't feel quite right to discount his interactions with other members of the cast, either. Something resembling a love/hate relationship with Mileena doesn't just pair him with that character, but involves him in a world we've never seen Tarkata get close to. It's degrees of seperation to royalty - of Edenia and Outworld - that seem fitting of his original ending, King Baraka!

Then there's his (shakey) battle with Kung Lao which briefly dictated a brand new design for the character, and connects back to elaborated details of MKII. (Funnily enough, a subject someone just posted me about...)

I can appreciate the point you're making on some level, but like a lot of examples, it strikes me as narrow sighted and bullheaded.

Nevermind that fact that he demonstrated intelligence and tactical thinking in his MKD ending, he is still separate from the rest of the Tarkatan given his character relations (Quan Chi, Mileena, Kung Lao) that are exclusive to him alone. Different past histories do constitute a character trait.

But you're right, this argument has dragged, and the only reason I brought it up in the first place is because I felt the ending unjust to Baraka fans (specifically the ones who care nothing about the other Tarkatan). I'm going to eat a sandwich.

EDIT: Mick said it better than I could have.

Aww dammit.

Y'know, I forgot about the bait-and-switch Deception ending AND his conversation with Chi in MK Gold.

Alright, so Baraka's not a complete moron and he does have a few outstanding personal rivalries. I concede. Wish I'd remembered sooner though, I look like a fool now.

I still, however, insist that his relationship with Mileena doesn't actually say anything about him as a character. They probably got together for purely physical reasons (at least for him): no one else would have her, and she's the hottest woman he'll ever even get close to. They're certainly quick to turn on one another, so it can't be all that deep.

I'm also disinclined to believe there's such a thing as a "Baraka fan", to really be bothered by his ending not being about him. I certainly haven't met any yet. Then again, I've been proven wrong once in this topic already...
By the way, Mick, that was me. I posted as Anonymous because I'm too lazy to sign up.

Interesting. It doesn't sound too bad. I wonder why that guy was so pissed about it...unless he interpreted it as she becomes a tyrant..?

When has Baraka been tested against other Tarkatan? I'd actually appreciate seeing that....."situation" for Baraka.

Well the picture portrays her leading the Amazons into a battle, but it's certainly not portrayed as villainous in any way.

I feared getting spoiled so I only read part of your post. It sounds awesome, and that is also what I keep hearing from other fans in the boards. Apparently, she has one of the best endings in the entire game. +, Those are some of the best qualities of the tough blond sexy babe.

I can't wait to see what it is!

Has anyone seen Shao Kahn's ending yet? It's the only one I'm unaware of at this point.