Wow, forget all about MKA. Midway needs to make MKO: the Praisers vs. the Bashers!
It would surely be the most brutal, gory, no-holds barred fighting game ever!
The game ends with the praisers walking mindlessly into Ed Boon death traps. Then the bashers heads explode out of shear frustation... after learning their own character personas all have broken combos.
If anything this topic confirms one of Digital-Assassin's points: we all take this silly little game series WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too seriously.

Lol...yea 4 real cant we all just get along?? (shakes a praisers hand) lol but wit all jokes aside...it obvious that boon n team must be reading wat we write....cuz they added alot of crap to mkd n mka that u guys always asked for n wanted ...u wanted liu dead ...then u got it...u wanted sucides... idk y but then u guys got it....u wanted an mkt2 n now u guys got it...i was the one who asked boon alonnng time ago about blaze (guy in pit 2 background) n he added him in mkda!!...but he sucked lol anywho my point is...stop praisin da man!!....if we continue to point out the wrong they'll be forced to make real changes....we gotta fight the power!! lol...had to say dat...

Yeah, and that's probably more-than-likely why they are now doing more testing than before. Before they probably didn't even bother as much as other game-making teams do with their products. Hopefully, the MK team listening to the pages and pages worth of complaints when Deception was released upon us. We can only hope for the best, but we still cannot judge this game fairly until E3 at the earliest as it's only fair and considerate to Boon and his team as we still don't know how the game will play yet, we don't know if it'll all be balanced out and if some of the bugs were fixed within the time limit SO FAR, or if it's smoother than the two previous games. We must wait and look at the evidence presented to us and then, only then, base our assumptions on something that we can use as concrete fact.

Of course I know jumping is not something you often use in Tekken (although it is an essential against the computer AI) but sometimes when I juggle in Tekken I incorporate jumping attacks into my juggles. When I read something about Tekken 5 not being different from Tekken 2, the random thought of the jumping came into my mind. (I played mostly 2d games around the Tekken 1 and Tekken 2 era which is why I remember because I used to jump mistakenly out of habbit then.)
I too wish VF was more popular state side but let's face it, VF is a very hard and intensly skilled based game. Americans are lazy and that is why a VF would never be more popular than it is stateside. I am a freak in the fact that I like to be atleast average with everyone in a fighting game before I start striving to be really good with my main characters. In VF on the other hand, this was something that was very difficult/hard for me to achieve. In fact, Kage is the only person that I am a bit above average with.
Guilty Gear is currently my favorite fighting game, I hope Sammy can rectify whatever business problems they have (or did Sega buy Sammy). I am in need of a new guilty gear, isuka was crap and I have played the hell out of my friends reload whenever I visit. The GG XX(or X2) that I own is still fun to play though I don't have that much competition in it. I wander why it is not embraced that much stateside.

What do you mean when you say it runs on MKDA's engine; don't both games (DA and D) run on the same engine with modifications?

Please! Please! Must this thread continue?

Yeah, and Armageddon would run on that same engine with modifications just like Deception ran on the engine with modifications.

I took you for one of the people who assume that DA's engine is different from the one in MK: D, just because they have different gameplay features.
I'm glad you understand that they are infact the same engine modified and just because Boon says; "It will be using the engine from Deadly Alliance" does not mean it will play more like DA than D.

Exactly. HOPFULLY it will be BETTER than Deception. And i think ed boon is a genius. Created the best game ever, and is still doing it. IMO it kicks Tekken and SC3 where it hurts and MKA is gonna rock! There just seems to be know entertainment value to tekken with such a lame fighting system and SC3 had such crapy programing that you data courupts every month.

How is Tekken's fighting engine lame?
How is MK's better?
I've never had problems with SC3 data being corrupt.

I agree man lol.
BTW, MK2, MK3 and UMK3 were great games.The arcade ports were great as well as MOST home conversions, not all though.

Its alot easier to read a topic when its in FUCKING ENGLISH. I can see miss spelling a word here and there, but you go out of you way to sound like a fucking internet ganster retard. How can someone take your point of view seriously when you purposely type out your topic like some lame ass 14 your old that thinks he's a hacker by miss spelling words, and using bad grammar.
If you cant understand my point, I've translated it below for just for you.
yOzerS DwG, teS ReAlLY WaCk 2 Red YO TPX, cuz 4 ReelZors, Uz A fAxoR 1 A B, En TrYzors To readED yo PoSt, IS maK SEn mY BR8IN huRT !!!

The data corruption thing never happened to me either but it has happened to a lot of people that I know at the worst possible times and they had to start over. What's more Namco didn't fix the problem when they released it elsewhere even though they knew about it.

yeah, I know the problem exists.
I've read about it before, at Tekken Zaibatsu.

again getin off topic...see this is the reason y ppl like me r labeled as bashers...once u say sumthing negative about mk...u get all these ppl who want to start sumthing wit u..lol its almost as if boon has his own squad of mk cops online...lol sigh...u know i didnt even start wit any1...i tried to keep it peacefull but noooooooooo....stop takin things so seriously...
anyway who da fuck cares about how i type??...SHIT get off my balls man wat r u my english teacher??... look my man if it makes u happy ill refer to u as my english teacher from now on...n ill call u hmm hmm Mrs. LilDick....lol look homie so u can stop bitchin n cryin... I’ll type proper for you, even though to me it doesn’t really make a difference. I think you’re just mad because you probably think I’m “bashing” Mk. ahh anyway...look write ur opnion down dont write dumb shit n waste space like dat moron...
now moving on.....

Tekken 5 is vastly different than Tekken 2 in every way.- Fact
"Every Tekken game is exactly the same as the last. Nothing ever changes. It's always the same."- Opinion.
Now, your opinion would be respected by others if it weren't for that pesky little fact right above it.
The world is round.- Fact
"The world is flat. There's no way you could sail all the way across the ocean without falling off the edge."- Opinion "Of course, no one is going to believe anything as long as I have a different opinion as everyone else." Gee, I wonder why?

So you played the game once using old, outdated moves and combos. That must make you an expert!

So in order to prove your point, you would show him that you can beat the CPU? WTF? How about playing Alpha and beating him instead of the CPU. Don't you think that would be a much better way to prove your point? Of course, you wouldn't be able to prove your point seeing as how Alpha or myself or anyone who even halfway knows what they're doing would hand you your ass with a variety of moves and strats you never even knew existed.
If you want your opinions on this matter to have even the least bit of credibility than stop playing against the cpu and find some decent competition.

Actuallly my friend, you are the ignorant Mofo. Sells mean EVERYTHING. How do you think they make the money to make more games? Please, shut your mouth, andgo back to Tekken instead of taking up space on this forum with your pointless yapping and whining

Yeah, sales are very important.
But MK outselling other fighters does not make it a better fighting game, if that's what you are implying.
It just means that it appeals to more casual gamers in other ways.
( blood, Scorpion, story ....)
That's a good thing for Midway, because it gets more people to buy it.
In terms of it being a good fighting game or not, Sales don't mean anything.
It could be the best fighting game ever, but if it's not interesting to casual gamers, it's not going to sell as much.

The guy that uses : getin, y, ppl, r, labeled, u, sumthing, any1, da, and wat r u ?? Is calling me a moron .............. ok.
Does MK's gameplay suck ? YES
Are there tons of glitches in the game ? YES
Are the dev's getting lazy ? YES
Does MK need a huge improvement ? YES
Can we establish all of those facts by typing it out in simple english so that it doesnt take 20 min and a migrain headache to try and decode your message ??? YES
Your not a gangster, your not a hacker, and your not impressing anyone with your lame ass 1996 AOL chat room internet slang.
Apparently you have watched the movie "Hackers" one to many times, but its old now, let it go. iZ taT str8 EnUf 4U diZawG?

Why are you comparing it to Tekken And vf. This game isn't the same as Tekken and VF this is a stratigic beat 'em up not one where you can easily whin by button bashing your opponent to death. If you don't like this type of fighter don't buy it. Whats the point in complaining when all you are really saying is that you want it to be a different game.

The real problem is I don't think people on this site hate MK.
I just think they view Virtual Fighter and Tekken more favorably. They like the gameplay of these games better...they even like "their characters" and storyines more...therefore they want MK to be more like that.
They will not admit it, but I think that is the case.
The problem is they are really punching the real fans in the eye by saying
"My viewpoint is right, and you'r definetly wrong, and MK is a piece of shit"
Get a clue that's not how life works. You are not dictators.
Give MK a chance in MK7 and we will see "their" reaction..

Play me on Tekken and I'll prove your button bashing theory. The reason you can't button bash on MK is because it uses illogical button mapping and a dial-a-combo system; you can't bash with a dial-a-combo combo system, because there's hardly any custom choice for combos and all the attacks have massive recovery times. Conversely, you can bash buttons in Tekken, but it doesn't mean you will win. Tekken has in depth strategy, MK is shallow. That is the bottom line; others can explain it better than I can.

Better designed fighters are viewed more favorably, because they are "better designed fighters"
The characters are cool, yeah but I don't want any Tekken or VF fighters in MK.
Only an awesome fighting engine, added to everything else MK already has.
Glitches, infinites, inescapable throws, bad animation, no risk vs reward system...............................etc.
These are facts, not opinions.
these "facts", cause the game play in MK to be bad, because it causes illogical and unfair results.
If you want to compare it to something, let's use math.
A logical system would be 1+ 1 = 2. = This is closer to games like T5, VF4, even DOA4
An illogical system would be 1+1 = 3 = MKDA, MKD
You can still do it, but it doesn't make sense or work properly = incorrect / bad grade.
This is what needs to be fixed in MK's game play.
Also, button mashing is not going to work against a med to high level player in Tekken, etc.
All you have to do, is stand back, and hit them with a power shot.
Block
Throw them
Maybe do a long combo, or a juggle
Mashers are very easy to beat.
Try playing the computer on a hard setting, like ultra hard. That's a little closer to what a good player is like.
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Examples of new problems in MKA.
I just watched the interview from game spot...
1 = The new parry, they were talking about looks bad, again. Very generic / robotic / fake looking animation. The opponent's reaction to the parry is bad also. They just freeze for a sec.
2 = The timing on it is very loose, like the old DOA games. This means, that it will require little skill or timing to land the parry.
3 = It's very easy to do, and it leads to a launcher, and I think it counters High and Med attacks = This means that the move has Low to med risk, with a very high reward.
If Player 1 does the parry, and it misses. P2 can probably counter with a Low attack, a jumping attack, a throw, or a projectile.
Someone like Kenshi, can counter with a Teleslam, for a juggle.
Someone like Night wolf can do a launch throw.
This makes the move unbalanced as far as punishment for missing it goes.
If you land the parry, you can do a high damage juggle, or air combo. Or an infinite. That's because the stun window is very long.
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For the air combos, It looks like you need to do a double launcher.
Do a pop up, then do another pop up to initiate the move.
1 = This looks very generic again, and is very predictable.
2 = If you have a breaker, it will be very easy to escape because of predictability, and the loose timing on the breaker.
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Do you see now, why we critique so much?
The problems are plain as day, and predictable.

I don't believe that MK uses illogical dial up combos at all.I mean, I don't believe that it's as you say "illogical" that's a mere matter of opinion.
I won't speak for Tekken, VF nor do I really care about those games nobrainer, but I will say that MK is NOT a button masher.
I know you didn't say it was, I'm just pointing it out to some that might have said it was.SC is I feel, Tekken not, VF not, SF not, DOA a little bit but not really for the most part.
I honestly don't have a beef with the dial up combos, I'm not sure if you're aware of the fact that you CAN indeed make custom like combos using the dial up combos.Meaning that you can make combos that nobody else has ever seen and that do big damage.If not big damage then a reasonable amount of damage.
Example:I play Deception online on xbox live, I do things with Ermac that NOBODY else does with him.People have seen what I do with him and say WOW, never saw that combo before.
I understand you don't like the dial ups and would rather have some kind of custom system with punches, kicks and throws.But again though, that's not MK that's tekken.
If MK were to do that it might become a lot more interesting to the Tekken/MK fans, but not to the MK fans as much I feel.