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ShingoEX
04/04/2009 03:13 PM (UTC)
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Can Ed Boon really leave the company right now? I mean they just granted him compensation. Sure the rest of the team can leave but it would not be the same without Boon (for the better or the worse) wow


It's an option. Considering his track record as a game designer, he might be quite the acquisition for another company. Ultimately, I'd love to see Ed and the MK team take the MK property with them if they leave...not sure if that's going to be an available option, but I really don't see what Midway could do with the MK IP if they leave.
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04/04/2009 05:13 PM (UTC)
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Well, let's consider some scenarios.
If Ed and team do leave, and Midway keeps the license, then they are left to find another group of developers to crank out games at an INSANE rate and still rake in the cash.
I'm not sure that could happen.
If Ed and team stay, and this looks like it could ONLY happen if Midway shanks out some cash, it would probably put Midway in an even worse financial situation.
I'm not sure that is going to happen, given Midway's financial situation.
If Ed and team do leave, and Midway sells the MK license for a decent chunk of change, then Midway may have some extra cash to toss at creditors. But in the end, it is losing it's biggest cash cow, and while it may fix things in the short run, in the long run I am not sure it has enough quality titles to keep the company at a profit.

Those are the scenarios I see for Midway. Does anyone else see any other scenarios? And, what would you do if you were MIdway?
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04/04/2009 05:26 PM (UTC)
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Well, I wouldn't want MK games cranked out at an insane rate. They'd do well to be in a situation where they can take the time to get it right.

I really don't see Midway surviving much longer. I can see it folding and the developers moving on to other companies. Once Midway sells the MK license, it's pretty much putting a nail in the coffin.
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04/04/2009 06:00 PM (UTC)
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Skaven13 Wrote:
Does anyone else see any other scenarios?


Ed and the gang sue midway, midway dies.

Skaven13 Wrote:
And, what would you do if you were MIdway?


Sell Ed and the gang the MK license as compensation for their bonuses so they dont get sued, midway lives.

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04/04/2009 08:32 PM (UTC)
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Looks like we have to wait a long time for the next mortal kombat
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04/04/2009 08:38 PM (UTC)
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Looks like we have to wait a long time for the next mortal kombat


This is the best thing for the series, honestly. Just look at the community. There's just not that interest there was a few years ago, the entire MKvsDCU period was sort of ho-hum. No one really anticipated MKA that much either. The excitement of the series has been drained with these biannual release dates that have been set down upon the development team.

You just can't expect them, or the fans, to enjoy it after a while. The break between MK4 and MKDA was good; that was a great period in the community, and in this site's history as well.
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04/04/2009 10:51 PM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
Alert to MK Team: It isn't Midway's fault that MKvDC was garbage. .


I dont know about that. I liked MK vs DC gameplay, but I'm pretty damn sure it was Midway that forced the DC idea and reduced violence into Ed Boon's mouth. He would be better off without them.


Yes, I agree. Why some people think MKDC is garbage I don't know...the game was good. The gameplay is very good and much better then MKD and MKA there is no debating this, this is just fact. There were TONS of glitches, infinites, problems etc with those games. Not the case in this game outside of a few infinites...

Alert to MIDWAY, let the MK team do their thing and NOT rush them is more like it.

I agree with king here, Ed and company should just to go elsewhere. glasses

Maybe Epic, Rockstar or Bungie can pick them up.
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ShingoEX
04/04/2009 11:26 PM (UTC)
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MK/DC has its share of glitches, from upside-down characters and free fall lock-ups to infinites and game crashes.
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04/04/2009 11:28 PM (UTC)
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MK/DC has its share of glitches, from upside-down characters and free fall lock-ups to infinites and game crashes.


And DC.
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04/05/2009 03:06 AM (UTC)
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Each side has to give up alot to make this thing go smooth.

Midway needs to pay them their money and let them go...with their game. I know it ain't that simple, but I'm just sayin'. They earned every penny, and the property the way they've been pushed by Midway, and snapped at by fans.
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04/05/2009 04:56 AM (UTC)
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kingjolly Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Alert to MK Team: It isn't Midway's fault that MKvDC was garbage. .


I dont know about that. I liked MK vs DC gameplay, but I'm pretty damn sure it was Midway that forced the DC idea and reduced violence into Ed Boon's mouth. He would be better off without them.


Really? I thought the gameplay was just as bad as the idea for the game, but to each their own. Everyone just looks like Jay Cutler in this one.
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04/05/2009 04:56 AM (UTC)
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Ed Boon and the MK team are living in a really unstable environment, they seriously need to depart with Midway. It's in most part because of them that the past Mortal Kombat's have been utterly crap or just plain unfinished.

Midway has brought this upon themselves. I mean come on, Psi-Ops is an amazing game, a sequel could easily have brought in loads of cash. But instead, Midway always wants to invest its money in horrible and unworthy projects such as Stranglehold and Wheelman.

Psi-Ops 2....fuck, Psi-Ops 3 should have been out by now.

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kingjolly
04/05/2009 05:31 AM (UTC)
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stranglehold wasn't a bad game. it did get old very fast though.
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04/05/2009 05:49 AM (UTC)
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Here's what I don't get. Have people been buying MK games all this time for their fantasy elements, story, character designs, blood and fatalities, gameplay, nostalgia/the name or all/some of the above? The reason I ask is because of the following:

I believe there are 3 subsets of people who play fighting games (whether these individuals acknowledge they are in a group or not). The first group is, the button masher who more than anything likes the game for its flash/cosmetics. The second is, the players who look for the core of the game (gameplay in other words). These are people who will play any and all fighters with a good fighting system. The third is, those who look for both. I fall under the last one. Same reason I wont play fighters with visuals like that of Melty Blood.

In dissecting the groups....

The first MK had blood paired with photo-realistic visuals. This was a major, if not, "the" attraction for the game. If the aforementioned first group to this day is still buying new MK's because of the blood, I have to stop and wonder, "Are these people still happy seeing fake looking blood and gore that looks like popcorn"? If so then it would make sense to me why the game is selling. I really don't think this is the case though and even though I don't have any data to prove this, something tells me more people want to see realistic violence. These are the type of people that like to be shocked and you can't shock someone with popcorn glasses

Also, it wouldn't make sense to me either why the series is still going, if those who have been picking up MK's primarily for its "gameplay" are doing it just for that. Considering how unbalanced games throughout the series' lifespan have been.

The final group still looks for good gameplay and can go either way in how they look at the artistic portion and flash of the game. So for example, the player may like the blood to look fake or realistic. If anything I feel most people who play MK, fall into the first category. Again, no data to prove this, so I may be wrong (and even if there was data I'd have my doubts about it's accuracy). So the most you can ask for is, what your feelings are as to why it sells. This and the process of elimination I have gone through.

In case you're wondering I didn't put stuff like story, special moves, character designs etc., to describe the first group of people as I wanted to talk more about what I think the selling point is. Even though these elements could easily fall in to that category but after all this is a fighting game. I don't really see why you would pick up a fighter, for mostly story and the like.

Personally, I don't think MK can do any worse than they have been doing, so maybe a departure from Midway might help. Of course, I doubt anyone posting actually knows what Midway and the MK teams agenda is. So it's hard to say who is at fault for the garbage they have been churning out lately.


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04/05/2009 06:40 AM (UTC)
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Here's what I don't get. Have people been buying MK games all this time for their fantasy elements, story, character designs, blood and fatalities, gameplay, nostalgia/the name or all/some of the above?


MK has grown a quality about it that encompass alot of things players want from a game (let alone a fighting game). So, the selling point really does depend on the buyer. Gets a little tricky once we start trying to categorize with MK because, even the surface fanbase can become complex if we analyze it.

I for one like MK because of all it's qualities, but at different times for stronger or softer reasons at that time. I think the initial allure to the game for me was the concepts (characters, fantasy, aesthetics ect), and the story. I've never really been a gameplay guru or a blood hound but, the era of Mk2-T was the best time for me. All things made sense to be the way they were at that time.

So, to me, they still haven't progressed from that era as far as I'm concerned. Technologically? Yea absolutely. Conceptually though? Hell naw.

After that I think I get into itemizing and nit picking.
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04/05/2009 01:36 PM (UTC)
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Midway sucks !!

I was told in Midway forums that one of the teams that is still working with Midway is filled with employees who kill their time playing warcraft while MK team is working hard only to get nothing .

I think that this good for the team .Instead of them being forced to release every new game in a shorter time each time , they will now get full time in their work .

They are the same talented people who created MK (of course with Tobias ) so , they may be able to creat something as great of even greater .Thats if they did not start using their unpaid bounces to reduce the value of MK .

Midway tried to pay the bounces just to keep MK high value only to sell it and throw the team on one of their stupid brojects .

I hope they kick ass with their new IP with or without MK and then kick Fucken Midway in the balls .

I just cant describe how bad Midway managment is !!!!

Now , can the team keep their fans with a new broject ? thats the real Q !
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04/06/2009 03:23 PM (UTC)
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The MK team is highly capable of making some of the best fighting games ever made, but stepping back and looking at the whole picture, one sees a steady degredation in quality all across the spectrum. Considering that most games build off their foundations and tune their mechanics, the fact that MK's recent games digressed in quality could quite likely be due to unreasonable and irrational deadlines and time constraints on Midway's part, since a MK game, of any quality, boosts their annual revenue.

An MK game given longer development and playtesting could easily bolster the series back from "standard" to "exceptional", but who knows if the MK team will be able to pull that off with the current situation at Midway being what it is.

Here's hoping for the best. I seriously hope MK vs DCU isn't the "swan song" the franchise so richly deserves.
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04/06/2009 03:58 PM (UTC)
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All I can think of concerning the way Midway has been interacting with the MK development team is how Sega has been interacting with Team Sonic - pushing them to produce Sonic game after game after game in a short period of time, and each successive being crappier than the last because Sonic Team is burnt out and no longer has the drive to do Sonic games.

I do not wish that for Ed Boon and his team, because that's the sad path that things seemed to be headed towards. Regardless of whether Boon is able to take the MK franchise through Midway's bankruptcy, or Midway brings in a new team to work with MK....I think it's overall the best for the series because *something* new is going to happen and hopefully revive the franchise.
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04/07/2009 09:54 AM (UTC)
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Sindra Wrote:
All I can think of concerning the way Midway has been interacting with the MK development team is how Sega has been interacting with Team Sonic - pushing them to produce Sonic game after game after game in a short period of time, and each successive being crappier than the last because Sonic Team is burnt out and no longer has the drive to do Sonic games.

I do not wish that for Ed Boon and his team, because that's the sad path that things seemed to be headed towards. Regardless of whether Boon is able to take the MK franchise through Midway's bankruptcy, or Midway brings in a new team to work with MK....I think it's overall the best for the series because *something* new is going to happen and hopefully revive the franchise.


MK team is the only good team under Midway .I dont think that another team would be able to do anything for MK .Change isnt always good just look at MKvsDCU which was developed by many members outsaide the team and the result was best recent MK game gameplay-wise and worst MK game anything else-wise .

I hope the team breaks through and get MK with them ,if not then I hope they come up with something great .

And yes I will leave MK for their new project if they were not able to pick MK up with them .Simply because Midway sucks !
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ShingoEX
04/07/2009 10:10 AM (UTC)
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I'm beginning to wonder if the MK team is practically the ONLY team under Midway right now.
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skillz
04/07/2009 01:42 PM (UTC)
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I saw this coming, only it took a while for them to take these actions. Midway have been using a poor policy for years now when it came to MK. I've said it over and over again these last years.

Let the people go..let MK go. MK should take a few years hiatus and come back with a game that will show people that MK deserve a place on top.
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04/07/2009 04:47 PM (UTC)
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Let the people go..let MK go. MK should take a few years hiatus and come back with a game that will show people that MK deserve a place on top.


agreed 100%
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mkflegend
04/08/2009 09:51 PM (UTC)
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ShingoEX Wrote:
MK/DC has its share of glitches, from upside-down characters and free fall lock-ups to infinites and game crashes.


Yes, but it's nothing nearly on the scale as bad as the previous 2 MK's...and MKDC is actually playable. The online has some weird shit at times and alters characters such as Kahn(not legit) but other then that, MKDC is a pretty good game in all honesty.
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