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ermac2powerfull
07/05/2007 10:18 PM (UTC)
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raiden would win hes a god wow
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07/05/2007 11:55 PM (UTC)
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Nightcrow Wrote:
hmm.. no offence Raiden_vs_sub zero, but i hate you.
nevertheless, since both raiden and sub zero belong to the good side, why would they fight?
my vote goes to raiden, simply because he is a god, but, i repeat, this fght would be ridiculous, if you want to do a topic like i did, and kingjolly did, with fights between mk characters and mko members voting, please create intelligent matches, between warriors that DO hate each other or are rivals in any way, not characters that fight for the same causes... and again, i really hate you raiden_vs_sub zero, can you kill yourself? it would be great

Dude your a fucking asshole.
Anyways, to stay on topic you should do like Cyrax VS. Sektor, or like Kano VS. Sonya... or Johnny VS. Goro, Sub-Zero VS. Scorpion. That would be great but, yeah Raiden's immortal. So, my vote goes to Raiden even though, Sub-Zero is one of my fav good guys. Along with Raiden.wink

-Chubs
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07/06/2007 01:31 AM (UTC)
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Both my favorite characters. Even though I like subby more, I have to be honest with myself and say raiden. he can beat anyone in the MK series period.


if this were a Scorpion VS raiden thread all the Scorpion Stans would say Scorpion because he's more popular and allow themselve sto be blinded by his popularity but true MK fans know that Raiden will win.
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07/06/2007 02:41 AM (UTC)
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raiden:8

subzero:4
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Nightcrow
07/06/2007 05:32 PM (UTC)
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hey redman, i already apologized to the people i should, i admited my error, so no need to insult anymore, ok?
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redman
07/06/2007 07:31 PM (UTC)
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I didn't see. Well ill check the previous page right now. EDIT: Oh yeah dude i didn't see that post. Sorry bout that. =)
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Nightcrow
07/06/2007 08:58 PM (UTC)
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No problem man smile
And, in time or not, i deserved your insult.
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Corndog125nalald
07/06/2007 10:05 PM (UTC)
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sub zero would not stand a chance. Rayden is a god and Sub zero is a mear mortal. If sub zero tried to freze rayden, He would telaport or hell even just drop a thunder bolt on him. I love ya Sub zero, but Rayden has got this one in the bagsadglasses
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07/07/2007 03:17 AM (UTC)
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07/07/2007 10:14 AM (UTC)
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kingjolly Wrote:
Nightcrow, you're a jackass. Don't ever assoiciate my name in your posts ever again.

redman Wrote:

Dude your a fucking asshole.
Anyways, to stay on topic you should do like Cyrax VS. Sektor, or like Kano VS. Sonya... or Johnny VS. Goro, Sub-Zero VS. Scorpion. That would be great but, yeah Raiden's immortal. So, my vote goes to Raiden even though, Sub-Zero is one of my fav good guys. Along with Raiden.wink

-Chubs


I mean, c'mon man...

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well, we have to remember one thing:
Raiden must always become mortal, to fight in MK battles. because the law of the elder gods forbids an immortal warrior to fight in the tournament. all the fighters that enter the MK tournaments, are mortal, or became mortal, giving up their immortality, in order to compete in Mortal Kombat. So, when Raiden turns into a mortal being, he retains some of his powers, not all of his power, but some of it. and in hand to hand combat, i don't know what would be stronger, Raiden's lightning or Sub Zero's ice... but i remain with my opinion, Raiden wins.


Hypothetic match. So, we can take it at face value. Which just means that Raiden as a character is a God....mortal form or not.

Although the rule you mentioned has some truth to it, there was no specification that we had to consider this a "tournament match". So again, we can be allowed to take this match at face value.

The thing about being mortal, or becoming mortal to be in the tournament depends on what you consider "immortal". Kitana's 10 thousand years old plus...Sindel's un-dead, and even older, Scorpion's undead, Noob's un-dead, and so on and so forth through out the roster.

From the perception of the Elder Gods....Raiden could even be considered a "mortal being", because they were there first, and by status, they should be there after him. There's too many long lived characters to determine that from this match....."face value"?

When you talk about what happens to Raiden after he conforms to a "mortal" status, I think the only thing it says is that he's susceptible to pain and or bleeding. One thing people have got to remember when you talk about Raiden is that the dude has been around since the beginning of time...

Since that is apparent, an art learned over billions of years will not simply dissipate along with conforming to a "mortal status". That's like saying that because you play sports in a tournament, you no longer know how to brush your teeth, or ride a bike or something.

After all the time you spent learning that stuff, you wouldn't just loose the "how to" for other things in your mind. Especially if you had to use it in the competition you entered...wink

Lastly here, You don't know what would be STRONGER?!? heheh, an average lightning strike is about 5-6 times the heat on the surface of the sun....Calculate 1 strike into how long a light bulb in your house will last...Now compare that to the coldest....."anything" on Earth.....
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The only way Raiden can lose this match up is is he's in outworld fighting Subby where Raiden obviously loses his powers making him mortal.

He still has powers such as lightning, teleporting etc as a mortal, he's just not immortal.smile


The base of what this implies is that Raiden looses his "Divinity" in Outworld. Which, makes this statement partially false about Raiden.

From my perception of what happens to him in the games, he is weakened in OutWorld....That's logical because it's not his ruling domain. Relating to a Gods' or an Angels' "Divinity" factor, it just means that the citizens of that realm don't know him, and or do not believe in him.

Which means, it doesn't hurt him to be there, it just doesn't help what he was made for.

So, where this statment goes wrong is in assuming that lightning is a "weaker" element than ice some-how. The "where" of the welder would not matter at.....all. Just the fact that he welds that element makes a difference.

On the other side of the spectrum however, I'd say the only way Sub-Zero could beat a being like Raiden, is if there were strenuous conditions to the match. (i.e. Raiden can only use electricity to the effect of static cling. HA!)

And then turn Raiden into a mortal......and then take away the billion years of experience....and then....and then....and-then....

See what I mean?


Ev-er-y-body on the roster, save maybe Fujin, Shinnok, Onaga, and a slight stretch, Shao Kahn would get their ass handed to them.....chard to a terribly blackened crisp.

RAIDEN wins....it's so funny I had to write all that stuff out.
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07/07/2007 02:06 PM (UTC)
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Hey Predator151, when i said that i don't know what would be stronger, i was being sarcastic, irony, you know? of course that a lightning bolt from a God, would turn Sub Zero's body into dust..wow
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07/08/2007 02:04 AM (UTC)
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wait at the end of the deception intro raiden destroys everything with his blast.......u said "the deadly alliance and raiden "died" and onaga walked away without a scratch"


raiden obiously didnt die...he's immortal
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07/08/2007 08:24 AM (UTC)
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Raiden died, the only survivor of that explosion was in fact Onaga. Raiden returned to life beause of his Elder God status. The other Elder Gods would never let one of themselves fade away. Or maybe, Raiden had power enough to bring himself back to life.
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Raiden_vs_Subzero
07/20/2007 05:38 AM (UTC)
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thats fuckin cool


i wish i could do that


wow
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07/22/2007 02:00 AM (UTC)
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ThePredator151 Wrote:
kingjolly Wrote:
Nightcrow, you're a jackass. Don't ever assoiciate my name in your posts ever again.

redman Wrote:

Dude your a fucking asshole.
Anyways, to stay on topic you should do like Cyrax VS. Sektor, or like Kano VS. Sonya... or Johnny VS. Goro, Sub-Zero VS. Scorpion. That would be great but, yeah Raiden's immortal. So, my vote goes to Raiden even though, Sub-Zero is one of my fav good guys. Along with Raiden.wink

-Chubs


I mean, c'mon man...

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Nightcrow Wrote:
well, we have to remember one thing:
Raiden must always become mortal, to fight in MK battles. because the law of the elder gods forbids an immortal warrior to fight in the tournament. all the fighters that enter the MK tournaments, are mortal, or became mortal, giving up their immortality, in order to compete in Mortal Kombat. So, when Raiden turns into a mortal being, he retains some of his powers, not all of his power, but some of it. and in hand to hand combat, i don't know what would be stronger, Raiden's lightning or Sub Zero's ice... but i remain with my opinion, Raiden wins.


Hypothetic match. So, we can take it at face value. Which just means that Raiden as a character is a God....mortal form or not.

Although the rule you mentioned has some truth to it, there was no specification that we had to consider this a "tournament match". So again, we can be allowed to take this match at face value.

The thing about being mortal, or becoming mortal to be in the tournament depends on what you consider "immortal". Kitana's 10 thousand years old plus...Sindel's un-dead, and even older, Scorpion's undead, Noob's un-dead, and so on and so forth through out the roster.

From the perception of the Elder Gods....Raiden could even be considered a "mortal being", because they were there first, and by status, they should be there after him. There's too many long lived characters to determine that from this match....."face value"?

When you talk about what happens to Raiden after he conforms to a "mortal" status, I think the only thing it says is that he's susceptible to pain and or bleeding. One thing people have got to remember when you talk about Raiden is that the dude has been around since the beginning of time...

Since that is apparent, an art learned over billions of years will not simply dissipate along with conforming to a "mortal status". That's like saying that because you play sports in a tournament, you no longer know how to brush your teeth, or ride a bike or something.

After all the time you spent learning that stuff, you wouldn't just loose the "how to" for other things in your mind. Especially if you had to use it in the competition you entered...wink

Lastly here, You don't know what would be STRONGER?!? heheh, an average lightning strike is about 5-6 times the heat on the surface of the sun....Calculate 1 strike into how long a light bulb in your house will last...Now compare that to the coldest....."anything" on Earth.....
wow


mkflegend Wrote:
The only way Raiden can lose this match up is is he's in outworld fighting Subby where Raiden obviously loses his powers making him mortal.

He still has powers such as lightning, teleporting etc as a mortal, he's just not immortal.smile


The base of what this implies is that Raiden looses his "Divinity" in Outworld. Which, makes this statement partially false about Raiden.

From my perception of what happens to him in the games, he is weakened in OutWorld....That's logical because it's not his ruling domain. Relating to a Gods' or an Angels' "Divinity" factor, it just means that the citizens of that realm don't know him, and or do not believe in him.

Which means, it doesn't hurt him to be there, it just doesn't help what he was made for.

So, where this statment goes wrong is in assuming that lightning is a "weaker" element than ice some-how. The "where" of the welder would not matter at.....all. Just the fact that he welds that element makes a difference.

On the other side of the spectrum however, I'd say the only way Sub-Zero could beat a being like Raiden, is if there were strenuous conditions to the match. (i.e. Raiden can only use electricity to the effect of static cling. HA!)

And then turn Raiden into a mortal......and then take away the billion years of experience....and then....and then....and-then....

See what I mean?


Ev-er-y-body on the roster, save maybe Fujin, Shinnok, Onaga, and a slight stretch, Shao Kahn would get their ass handed to them.....chard to a terribly blackened crisp.

RAIDEN wins....it's so funny I had to write all that stuff out.



Well, not really just hear me out a minute. I neglected to mention that when I said he has his powers still, it's only temporary so if he doesn't defeat Sub within that time clock of his powers, he's in big trouble.

That's what I'm saying, I don't see how him turning back to mortal would take away billions + of experience, he'll still be raiden he just won't have his powers and be immortal anymore.

But as I said initially, he would win most likely. Unless this battle takes place in outworld where he's vulnerable I don't see Raiden losing to Subby.

P.S. ever watch MK:Conquest the episode where Sub makes his appearance? lol The end is awesome, Raiden just stares at him with lighting in his eyes. Sub is like hmmm run away like any smart person or try to kill these three for the crystal and get baked lol.
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07/24/2007 03:14 PM (UTC)
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My vote goes to Sub Zero cause he's Lin Kuei. Nobody can fight like Sub Zero and his fighting styles would put Raiden in his placewowwowwow
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07/24/2007 03:20 PM (UTC)
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Raiden is a deity and Sub-Zero is a mortal, but I like both of them.

So, Raiden would win, but with a scratch or two. (Sub-Zero is skilled)
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07/24/2007 04:48 PM (UTC)
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scorpionsorigin Wrote:
My vote goes to Sub Zero cause he's Lin Kuei. Nobody can fight like Sub Zero and his fighting styles would put Raiden in his placewowwowwow



Man, Raiden is a fucking Elder God! Do you know what that means?
He has the same status of the guys who created the entire damn universe!
You think a meagre mortal like Sub would beat the hell out of an Elder God?
Woooooohh , that is what i call "a kick in the gravity's laws".
Although Sub controls the water vapor, and can perform ice attacks, Raiden is made out of electricity, forgot?
He can turn Sub's body into dust, just with one single lightning bolt.
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07/29/2007 07:48 PM (UTC)
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well raiden being a a god doesnt really matter. hes a warrior who can be defeated. sub zero can also be defeated but sub zero also has a high status of being a grand master. sub zero would win, hes qiucker and more dangerous.
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07/30/2007 07:23 AM (UTC)
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Well, not really just hear me out a minute. I neglected to mention that when I said he has his powers still, it's only temporary so if he doesn't defeat Sub within that time clock of his powers, he's in big trouble.

That's what I'm saying, I don't see how him turning back to mortal would take away billions + of experience, he'll still be raiden he just won't have his powers and be immortal anymore.

But as I said initially, he would win most likely. Unless this battle takes place in outworld where he's vulnerable I don't see Raiden losing to Subby.

P.S. ever watch MK:Conquest the episode where Sub makes his appearance? lol The end is awesome, Raiden just stares at him with lighting in his eyes. Sub is like hmmm run away like any smart person or try to kill these three for the crystal and get baked lol.


Aowah?!? There is no time "limit" to speak of in cannon material. Only in the movie which is BS. Against any "mortal" on the roster Raiden could hypothetically sneeze and the match would be over....So as for a time limit, you gotta get a bigger threat to Raiden. Shinnok, Shao Kahn, Fujin, ect like I was saying before. "Big Trouble"? Noh wai d00d!

The only thing temporary in a match like this one is when Raiden - - Temporarily - - denounces immortality. I peg that as "Divinity". Y'know? Things like walking on water, turning water to wine, his imperviousness to mortal hazards in general(i.e. being in outer space - no O2, big boulder rolls him over, getting stabbed, shot, burned, or suffering numerous broken body parts ect), or like "the divine light of the Heavens". Not "exactly" those things, but attributes gods carry along those lines. In essence, "The Superman Complex" without an actively aggressive kryptonite(so to speak ).

So, if we considered Raiden is technically "mortal" during this match with Sub-Zero, you're telling me that:

1.As a mortal, 2.in Outworld, Raiden would mysteriously become stupefied and incapable? Just because he denounced divinity and paid a visit to Outworld?

No.

The only real limitation I see as far as his actual powers go, is he might have to be careful how much he uses lightning, or the atomic values behind creating thunder booms(even though he's mastered the element by now. C'mon now, it's been a billion+ years since his coming into existence, that's a reasonable statement considering Raiden.) But Raiden would not "loose" his powers....Idk where you're getting that from. ?? There isn't even an Immortal Person WHO is ON The Roster, that can do that to Raiden. Nobody can take experience from a person without making them physically incapable, or "stupid".

What I'm saying there is if he's human, and in Outworld were he has no domain...His body might suffer wear and tear from using the element as a weapon.......But he's the master of the most volatile element....in practical existence. So, how much does that matter? Little to none considering how much time he's had to refine his art.

Another analogy: That would be like...if I went to a new library, where I don't know anyone and nobody knows me. And having you tell me that just because I'm human, and less influential on the other guest there than in my own home, that I no longer know how to walk or hock loogies, or throw simple punches for that matter.

See? Doesn't make sense to me how you're tie-ing together
1. "Where Raiden is".....with

2. "What status Raiden is at the time"......together with

3. "What he CAN DO".

I mean, is he blind? No. Are his hands tied behind his back? No. Is he discombobulated in any fashion for this fight? NO.

I don't even beleive Sub Zero --As the Grand Master x3, is any-where good enough. What is he? 40-60 years old and "a" GrandMaster in Cryomancy?
Raiden is billions of years old and "the" GrandMaster of Earth.

Raiden = Chi & Ki master, Necromancy Master (which btw has a tie-in-root to cryomancy. Art of the dead or inanimate objects>>Art of cold. Then you break off in to "magic" or sorcery, and the different elements), Elemental Master (fire is cooler than lightning, water is a conductor of lightning, and thunder booms effect the Earth through vibrations...then, this is a stretch, but vibration can cause the effects that wind has.), and that's just to name a couple

This is like, "fun" funny btw, cuz i like to talk about Raiden.
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