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06/10/2010 10:19 PM (UTC)
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I mean, we played all of this before already.


We haven't played it with FMVs and voice actors reading lines of dialogue. All my life I've wanted to see the REAL Mortal Kombat storyline ACTED OUT, told long-form rather than through short bios and endings, either in a film or animation or comic books, or in the story mode or a modern game.

I always thought the only way I'd ever get to see that dream come true was if won the lottery a couple dozen times, bought the license myself, and made it happen with my own bare hands.

But this is making me happy because it's starting to look like I won't have to do it myself, they'll just GIVE me what I always wanted.

Thus, I'm optimistically clinging to the small hints I've seen that this will retell the canon faithfully and not screw it up or change things that don't need to be changed like SM did.


I certainly respect your wanting to see this, I used to feel the exact same way, especially considering the endings and the idea of having to piece together everything that may or may not have happened.

But now? 17 years after MK2 came out in arcades? 15 years after MK3? You'd really rather have this MK game then a true sequel that actaully continues the story?

See, that's the part that I don't get. To me it looks like MKvsDC, only with all MK characters and no ability to side step or walk in 3D.

Some are saying that they hope they change the story, but wasn't that why people were so angry about the movie pitch? How many comments did I see from people complaining about Reptile having a skin condition or Baraka being a plastic surgeon etc?

So if it's not okay to change the characters origins (ie their stories) for a movie version, then why would it be a good idea to change the story for the games? To me, that's a catch 22. If you change the story, you're basically retconning what happened in the classic games, but if you don't change the story, you're just rehashing the old games for no real reason other than seeing them acted out in cut scenes.

I'm sorry Razor, as cool as it would be to see that version of MK, and I agree, it's cool, it's still nothing new. It's the same. It's the same characters, costumes, backgrounds, stories, fighting system etc. Where's the innovation?

Of course, this is only the first trailer, so maybe we'll see some new characters with new stories that can intermix with the old stuff. I doubt it, but who knows, right? I'm trying to be optimistic, but beyond retelling an old story, I still don't get why people are so hyped about what appears to be the same old, same old.

This sucks, I was really hoping to be blown away by the next MK game. I was hoping we'd see what happened after Armageddon. A new tournament, with many new characters. Instead we got a verses game before and now we've apparently got MK Trilogy's story with souped up graphics and MKvsDC's fighting system. Anyone else know why that's such a great thing?


New characters for what? Just so they can be ripped apart by fans and set on the shelf and replaced by other ones in MK10? MK fans are always yacking about new characters but when we get them, they bitch! MK4 brought us new characters, what happened? They were thrown aside in MKDA in favor for more new ones. What happened to the MKDA ones? Thrown aside to make room for the MKD ones.

Do you get where I'm going with this? What's the point in bringing in a bunch of new characters when they're just going to be thrown in the dumpster the very next game? I'm all for new characters if something is actually done with them.
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06/10/2010 10:19 PM (UTC)
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@Icebaby: That's a cap from one of the sections of the trailer that was set in the Living Forest. I'm not sure if it's random DA-A era character's corpse, but I doubt it because the design is very much unremarkable.
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06/10/2010 10:21 PM (UTC)
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ok so I've watched the trailer like ten times in a row with a little pauze in between.

The positive and highlights;

- Beginning of the trailer with Kahn putting his helmet on, looks epic!
- The arenas are looking very beautifull!
- 2D gameplay like we expected, finally they got this right


the negative...ok;

Vincent Proce gave it to them on a silver platter..Dawmm..is it that hard to see, that's the way an MK Reboot should be!!! I'm looking at the trailer and I see a 2D version of MK vs. DC and Shaolin Monks!!! Boon..I love you..but take another 2 years for this game...this mos def looks like a step up from the previous MK, a great job..but the bar needs to be put a lot higher...

The thing I like to see most now is the gameplay..the trailer shows some stuff but I don't know what to think of it yet..need to see some regular fights.

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06/10/2010 10:23 PM (UTC)
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New characters are a must. Really the only decent ones in the past decade were Kenshi and Bo Rai Cho (I liked him.) Shujinko was pretty cool to, but for some reason was hated by everyone.

I'm not saying go overboard with like ten new characters. Maybe four or so. Something like SFIV
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06/10/2010 10:27 PM (UTC)
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By the way, something that occurs to me about the people saying "there's nothing new or innovative"...

How many fighting games have you played with a tag-team mode? Capcom has done it for their Vs. titles, but nobody else really. And even Capcom doesn't have a version where 2 friends can co-op on the same team.
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06/10/2010 10:28 PM (UTC)
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This game looks almost perfect but please Ed Boon do something with the character's stances! The stances are the main drawback now. Sub-Zero needs back his classic stance from MK2 and MK Shaolin Monks. This was his trademark just like Scorpion's stance from MK2. Please make something about that!


agreed on the stances!!! I hope they don't miss this...
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06/10/2010 10:30 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
By the way, something that occurs to me about the people saying "there's nothing new or innovative"...

How many fighting games have you played with a tag-team mode? Capcom has done it for their Vs. titles, but nobody else really. And even Capcom doesn't have a version where 2 friends can co-op on the same team.


Listen bro, I'm with you. I think this game looks great, but I can understand how people hate what they've seen so far. I'd probably stop because there is nothing we can do to change their mind. Just be glad you can enjoy it
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06/10/2010 10:32 PM (UTC)
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Again, I hate to be a downer here, but can someone explain to me why SO MANY people are so hyped about a game that appears to offer almost nothing new at all? Kung Lao's throwing his hat in the living forest, Johnny Cage is doing his high kick to Sub Zero in the dead pool, Shao Khan taking on Rayden...

I mean, we played all of this before already. Sure, the combo system looks more refined, the graphics are more modern (though the in game graphics look very PS2-ish, I'm assuming that'll get fixed in time), we have a new tag mode, but what is it about this trailer that has people so excited? I'm not being fecitious here, I'm really curious, because I just don't see it yet. Help me out.


My take on it is that it looks like "the perfect" modern MK game. This trailer seems to indicate that they finally took the greater parts of MK's past and put them together properly.

1.) Looks like they're gonna spend, or have spent some good time digging into the story for us. Which is a definite plus....and to tell you the truth, I don't know how in the hell they did it but, the trailer has a strange presence of the story element in it without giving any real obvious information.

It looks like we're going to be playing through something like MKSM again....but not quite. That's hard to pull off and makes the game look awesome. It looks like we will definitely be involved alot with everything going on once we start playing.

2.) Looks like MKvsDC on the gameplay side of things. This is a plus because that game got positive reviews aside from the core concept of the game being disliked.

Also, if it is 2D or 2.5D...I didn't see a whole lot of people complaining, and I quite liked the 2.5D perspective of MkvsDc too. So again, another awesome additive.

3.) Arenas look fantastic, and I think they are the highlight of this particular trailer. Some of those arenas outshine everything else going on.

4.) Characters appear to be chosen to the liking of the masses. We all already know Scorpion and the other icons are gonna be in. So, the MKTeam just made it easy to like the roster right off the bat.

5.) Looks like the modes or features they chose this go round won't be antagonistic to the flow of gameplay, and instead, a compliment.

6.) bl00d & g0r3, and f4tal1ti3z!!11!! OmG!!

Done Deal... It looks like a perfect modern MK game. It is modern, it has alot of what alot of the masses liked about the recent few games in it (and one or two nods from way back when), and over all it just looks fun to play... That's Story, Gameplay, Environment//Feel, Characters, Modes and Extras, and then the Blood and Gore. Which is enough of the elements of the game to allow fans to ignore whatever else may be missing.

And then, a lot of the shit that us harder core fans are talking about is specific and individualistic.

idk that's what I see. That's why it looks like something to be excited for.
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06/10/2010 10:32 PM (UTC)
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I can't tell what they're doing with the fighting engine, but it looks like a streamlined version of what MKvsDC brought us. Which is also good. I don't see any goofy interruptions in gameplay aside from that part where Cage is punching Sub-Zero. But I hope that's not another iteration of "close combat".


I hope that too. Close combat and free-fall combat were both awful.


I agree.

No more gimmicks, please. Just let us have uninterrupted, brutal gameplay!


Nah I dont think we have to worry bout the gimmicks. I believe Cage simply did like a grab move or sumthing similiar to what sub-zero did when he froze Cage and then took that Ice sword or pick and stab it right through Cage. Cept Cage also has his own personal grab move doing punches so hard that there prob devasting to the body or bones. Im betting that maybe each character has a brutal grab move which I think is kinda cool maybe u use the grab move when the other character is blocking? idk but I think the MK team knows what their doing and I have faith that this game will be great and will look even better at E3
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06/10/2010 10:32 PM (UTC)
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How many fighting games have you played with a tag-team mode? Capcom has done it for their Vs. titles, but nobody else really. And even Capcom doesn't have a version where 2 friends can co-op on the same team.


Tekken Tag Tournament? It also had a mode where two friends could co-op on the same team.
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06/10/2010 10:39 PM (UTC)
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DarzieP Wrote:
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How many fighting games have you played with a tag-team mode? Capcom has done it for their Vs. titles, but nobody else really. And even Capcom doesn't have a version where 2 friends can co-op on the same team.


Tekken Tag Tournament? It also had a mode where two friends could co-op on the same team.


Forgot about that one. Still, they never did make another Tekken Tag game even though the first was rather popular, and this is still a huge first for the MK series, and a feature fans have been asking for for years. So it's definitely a good innovation.

Also, something Predator just said reminded me of one of my favorite parts of the trailer.

The arenas really are beautiful renditions and most importantly, 2.5D means they can do Bridges again! Every arena being turned into a circle or square drove me nuts in the last gen games.
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06/10/2010 10:57 PM (UTC)
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That's a good point about bridges. There were some arenas I didn't mind being square, like Shang Tsungs Courtyard or the Portal. But with the Pit, you just gotta have a bridge! I remember looking in the background and seeing the original Pit and thinking...I've got to get over there...

Anyways, so I don't get too off topic, I'm very please with what I see. Like plenty of other people, the first two games are my favorite. I don't mind at all seeing familiar backgrounds and characters. In fact, I embrace it, personally. When I saw Shang Tsung's throne room, I was very pleased.

To me, this game just looks really fun so far. I feel very excited about this. Sure, a sequal to Armaggeddon would have been interesting. But there's a problem I see with that. We went into Armageddon with no backgrounds on the characters. Well that's a lie, we had what...14 out of 60 something? So to be honest, I'm not too concerned with what happened after Armageddon since I don't know about everybody who went into it. Just my feelings.

Like I said, I'm personally happy with it. I see a lot of people don't like it. Not everybody can be pleased. But honestly, if this turns you off that much, just don't bother with it from this point on. There's no sense in complaining until March 2011. I think it's still way to early to cry an ocean over this game. Tomorrow, we'll probably get more information, and that may be enough to turn you away completely. I see where everybody is coming from in a sense, all the different view points. That's good. I just want to say that I think it's too early to disregard the story, when we don't have all of the information. Sorry if this seemed jumbled and unorganized, I don't usually make posts this long, and I'm just trying to be civil and put out my views and what not so far in a respectful way, so I don't get eaten alive.
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06/10/2010 11:00 PM (UTC)
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All I have to say is... MORTAL KOMBAT IS BACK BABY!

I havn't felt this excited about a video game since Deadly Alliance was announced!
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06/10/2010 11:02 PM (UTC)
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After watching that trailer I’m very disappointed to say the least. The graphics look pretty much the same as MKvsDC. The fight mechanics don’t seem different as well. And by the looks of it, they even didn’t bothered to give most of the characters a new look (okay, maybe alternate costumes). The only plus I can give it at this time are the stages.. they look pretty cool like this. But then again, we have seen them several times before. This is just MK2.5 with the graphics of MKvsDC and playable in 2.5D.

After being quite for such a long time en after seeing that awesome promo trailer of a possible movie I was hoping and expecting for something new. Instead we get the same crap all over again. It feels like going back in time.. literally.
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06/10/2010 11:20 PM (UTC)
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HOLY CRAP I'm actually looking forward to an MK game again. Hell Yes.

/runs away forever again.
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06/10/2010 11:35 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
By the way, something that occurs to me about the people saying "there's nothing new or innovative"...

How many fighting games have you played with a tag-team mode? Capcom has done it for their Vs. titles, but nobody else really. And even Capcom doesn't have a version where 2 friends can co-op on the same team.


In addition to Tekken Tag, I believe Dead or Alive 3 and 4 both had Tag Modes that actually featured tag moves like tag team throws and what not that could be initiated by using the tag button in conjunction with the throw button, I believe. I think in both cases you could team up with a friend on the same side, but I might be wrong on that. Still, I know for sure that they at least had tag modes.

The idea of a tag mode in a fighting game is certainly nothing new. That said, I'm REALLY glad we'll be seeing this in the next MK game!! I love tag modes. Now if we can get a survival mode, I'll be even happier!
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06/10/2010 11:37 PM (UTC)
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Kinda disappointed that the story isn't progressing this time around, but at least if they're rebooting it they can work out all the kinks and give us some more depth along the way.
Makes me wonder what will follow this.
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06/10/2010 11:37 PM (UTC)
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HOLY CRAP I'm actually looking forward to an MK game again. Hell Yes.

/runs away forever again.

Sup Spoon. smile

Still loving the trailer. Smoke will crown the project for me if he's in, but overall, I'm going to embrace this game warmly.

One disappointment might be that fatalities will probably be completely out of line with the character types due to excess gore. Kung Lao isn't really the type to take a blade hat to someone's nuts. Evil characters = sadistic fatalities; good characters = practical, but cool fatalities. Don't think things will unfold like that, though.

Sorta wish Nightwolf looked more like his MKD appearance. He looks very lackluster here.

Other than that, yay remake (if that's what it is).
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06/10/2010 11:44 PM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
One disappointment might be that fatalities will probably be completely out of line with the character types due to excess gore. Kung Lao isn't really the type to take a blade hat to someone's nuts. Evil characters = sadistic fatalities; good characters = practical, but cool fatalities. Don't think things will unfold like that, though.


Kung Lao had the goriest fatality in the original MK2. I think he does have violent streak enough to go for the nuts. He didn't REALLY turn pacifist until after MK3 anyway, storywise.

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Sorta wish Nightwolf looked more like his MKD appearance. He looks very lackluster here.


I guess you're welcome to like whatever costume you want if you're talking just what pleases the eye, but really, Nightwolf's Deception costume was terrible because the character derailment. The whole point of Nightwolf was originally supposed to be that he's a modern day, t-shirt and jeans kind of Native-American, not The Last Mohican.
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06/10/2010 11:45 PM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
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I mean, we played all of this before already.


We haven't played it with FMVs and voice actors reading lines of dialogue. All my life I've wanted to see the REAL Mortal Kombat storyline ACTED OUT, told long-form rather than through short bios and endings, either in a film or animation or comic books, or in the story mode or a modern game.

I always thought the only way I'd ever get to see that dream come true was if won the lottery a couple dozen times, bought the license myself, and made it happen with my own bare hands.

But this is making me happy because it's starting to look like I won't have to do it myself, they'll just GIVE me what I always wanted.

Thus, I'm optimistically clinging to the small hints I've seen that this will retell the canon faithfully and not screw it up or change things that don't need to be changed like SM did.


I certainly respect your wanting to see this, I used to feel the exact same way, especially considering the endings and the idea of having to piece together everything that may or may not have happened.

But now? 17 years after MK2 came out in arcades? 15 years after MK3? You'd really rather have this MK game then a true sequel that actaully continues the story?

See, that's the part that I don't get. To me it looks like MKvsDC, only with all MK characters and no ability to side step or walk in 3D.

Some are saying that they hope they change the story, but wasn't that why people were so angry about the movie pitch? How many comments did I see from people complaining about Reptile having a skin condition or Baraka being a plastic surgeon etc?

So if it's not okay to change the characters origins (ie their stories) for a movie version, then why would it be a good idea to change the story for the games? To me, that's a catch 22. If you change the story, you're basically retconning what happened in the classic games, but if you don't change the story, you're just rehashing the old games for no real reason other than seeing them acted out in cut scenes.

I'm sorry Razor, as cool as it would be to see that version of MK, and I agree, it's cool, it's still nothing new. It's the same. It's the same characters, costumes, backgrounds, stories, fighting system etc. Where's the innovation?

Of course, this is only the first trailer, so maybe we'll see some new characters with new stories that can intermix with the old stuff. I doubt it, but who knows, right? I'm trying to be optimistic, but beyond retelling an old story, I still don't get why people are so hyped about what appears to be the same old, same old.

This sucks, I was really hoping to be blown away by the next MK game. I was hoping we'd see what happened after Armageddon. A new tournament, with many new characters. Instead we got a verses game before and now we've apparently got MK Trilogy's story with souped up graphics and MKvsDC's fighting system. Anyone else know why that's such a great thing?


New characters for what? Just so they can be ripped apart by fans and set on the shelf and replaced by other ones in MK10? MK fans are always yacking about new characters but when we get them, they bitch! MK4 brought us new characters, what happened? They were thrown aside in MKDA in favor for more new ones. What happened to the MKDA ones? Thrown aside to make room for the MKD ones.

Do you get where I'm going with this? What's the point in bringing in a bunch of new characters when they're just going to be thrown in the dumpster the very next game? I'm all for new characters if something is actually done with them.


You'd honestly just rather play as all of the old characters all the time?

Aside from the fact that I hated all of MK3's new characters not named Kabal, I did like some of the characters introduced later like Mavado, Drahmin, Nitara, Li Mei and Kenshi among others.

Sure, for every good character that's introduced, there seems to be one that's horrible (ie Hsu Hao), lately, I'd still rather have some new characters with new moves and stories that I haven't seen already. There are misses, as I said, but there are some hits as well. That alone makes me want new characters.

Well, that and I don't like the feeling that I'm playing MK Trilogy with MKvsDC gameplay. I could absolutely be wrong on that, and I really hope that I am, but that's what this game looks like so far.
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06/10/2010 11:49 PM (UTC)
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Let's see... four years later and we still won't know what happened with that Armageddon thing. Yeah, I'm assuming that it's "remake" of MK1-MK3, considering the playable character and such. Well, it's certainly not the "end of Mortal Kombat as we all know it" that was expected after MKA.

Basically, that's it. I wouldn't like to see the same story of the first games being told once again, but if that's how the game looks... well, I hope it's the same story being told once again.

Gameplaywise... well the game is back to 2D, it seems. That's probably a good thing considering how many people seemed to dislike the 3D games. Particulary, I'll miss the "freedom" those 3D games had. I liked being able to fight at any point of the arena. But I'm just a casual player that know shit about game engine. So, if it'll fix some problems the 3D games had then I'm OK with it.

I also like the cameos in some of the arenas. I hope those characters appearing are chosen randomly and that it covers all the old characters that wont be playable. That would give me the illusion that people care about them.

And that brings me to another point: if it's a remake, that probably means no new characters (unless they want to promote some extra or rumor characters from that time, such as Hornbuckle or Skarlet... but that would be too weird to even be thought). An I'm OK with that. I'm kinda tired of things happening that way:

- They make new characters
- I like them and get interested on their storyline
- They don't become popular because... well, they weren't in MK1-3
- And then they don't appear again... only in reunion-kind games such as Trilogy and Armageddon, with a half-assed storyline (if any) just for the game feel complete. After that, they return to the limbo.

Anyway, I'm interested enough to want to see more videos like that. I'll probably wanto to buy it... oh, crap, what am I talking about? It's for PS3 and Xbox 360. And I have a fucking Wii! Sucks for me sad.
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06/10/2010 11:53 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

Kung Lao had the goriest fatality in the original MK2. I think he does have violent streak enough to go for the nuts. He didn't REALLY turn pacifist until after MK3 anyway, storywise.

Yeah, but it was precise, efficient, and not torturous. This new fatality seems clumsy and sadistic. I like that Kung Lao is violent, but I expected more of "I don't fuck around" violence, not so much a "I drew this move on paper, and now I'm going to do it to you!" violence.

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I guess you're welcome to like whatever costume you want if you're talking just what pleases the eye, but really, Nightwolf's Deception costume was terrible because the character derailment. The whole point of Nightwolf was originally supposed to be that he's a modern day, t-shirt and jeans kind of Native-American, not The Last Mohican.

Are you thinking of his alt? I'm talking about the MKD main costume, which is pretty much like the current one but with a more detailed vest.
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06/10/2010 11:55 PM (UTC)
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It's obvious you didn't read my post clearly. Did I say I wanted to play as the same characters all the time? I don't think I did. I'm all for new characters, just make sure they're not wasted and thrown away by the time the next game comes around.

Otherwise it IS pointless.I don't think any of the new characters from MK3-MKA have been developed or given a chance to grow. ONE game and one trilogy knock-off is not enough to say "Oh wow, these guys suck! Throw them in the trash!".

All we've been getting are new characters and most fans hate them without giving them a chance, then they are thrown out and we are given more.

Unless these new characters are developed in future games, then I don't see the point in creating a new batch just to throw it in the trash.
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06/11/2010 12:05 AM (UTC)
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Are you thinking of his alt? I'm talking about the MKD main costume, which is pretty much like the current one but with a more detailed vest.


No, I'm thinking about the primary. It's not "a more detailed vest", man. It's all red and blue deerskin like he's been living in the goddamn 1700's.

A proper Nightwolf should look like he could just pass for a biker in facepaint.
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06/11/2010 12:08 AM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Are you thinking of his alt? I'm talking about the MKD main costume, which is pretty much like the current one but with a more detailed vest.


No, I'm thinking about the primary. It's not "a more detailed vest", man. It's all red and blue deerskin like he's been living in the goddamn 1700's.

A proper Nightwolf should look like he could just pass for a biker in facepaint.


Who told you what a proper Nightwolf is supposed to look like? I like how he looks in this game, but I just don't know where you're getting the whole "Nightwolf looks like a biker" idea from.
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