jbthrash Wrote:
I think this whole thing is a misleading hoax put out by some troll or NRS. Does anybody know how this list got leaked out? If there is a logical explanation then i'll buy it other wise this whole thing looks fishy. Not too mention there was a big leak with this game and the last game so you think they would keep it under wraps.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:


Because being mad or mind controlled isn't permanent.

Having your internal organs scooped out and metal and wires driven into your skin over your entire god damned body is.

Redstorm Wrote:
Really enjoyed the amount of butthurt in this thread, especially over a concept we havent got to actually witness yet. 10/10.

Redstorm Wrote:
Really enjoyed the amount of butthurt in this thread, especially over a concept we havent got to actually witness yet. 10/10.

AphroditeThrust Wrote:
NRS can write up a way for Subby to revert back to normal.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:


You shouldn't.

The price I pay for every second that I hold back the magma-like bile rising in the back of my throat, is intense stomach cramps.

Caring about Mortal Kombat has finally become bad for my physical health.

I always knew XiahouDun was the smarter of the two of us, for finding a way to stop caring and leave the fandom.

Garlador Wrote:


You think this is bad? Just wait until they announce Scorpion's new finishing move... The Reach-Around!

Finish Him!

AphroditeThrust Wrote:


Nothing in Mortal Kombat is ever permanent. Not even death. Not even the MK1-3 storyline. NRS can write up a way for Subby to revert back to normal.

Garlador Wrote:

So... this game is "a direct remake"? And here I thought it was a retelling with a robust new fighting engine, an expansive story mode that reveals new insights into old, beloved characters, new gameplay modes, fighting moves, dramatic re-imaginings of characters, scenes, and locations, yet at the same time utilizing the most iconic and beloved cast of characters from the most memorable and respected era of MK history.

"Cyber Sub-Zero" ISN'T anything new. There were fan-created "robot Sub-Zero" fan art and fanfics dating back to the first day MK3 hit store shelves. So they didn't create something new at all... they created something that others had the idea for almost 10 years ago. This is hardly something new. I hate this idea because it ISN'T new. I have a "cyber Sub-Zero" sitting in my Kreate-A-Kharacter in Armageddon right now, along with Skarlet. If they had come up with a COMPLETELY new robot character, a robot named "Syntax" for example, one with an original story, original moves, original design, I'd agree with you that they were being creative. This is just a rehash of an idea I've heard before and hated 10 years ago.



As a game developer myself, no, nobody EVER makes the game the "exact" way they wanted to make it. Game creation is full of compromises, cuts, edits, changes, alterations, and getting rid of things you really, really wanted to include, but customers didn't want them or wouldn't appreciate them. Dead Island, for example, had a system where their zombies realistically were injured, revealing shredded meat, bone, and organs, but nobody playing the game noticed it so the team cut it out to save processing speed because it was wasted efforts.

And, no, they don't have complete and utter control over what they can and cannot do with their games. That's the reason MK games have sucked for so long, because their publisher forced them to release a game that was rushed, compromised, or included features and characters detrimental to the game itself. This is NOT a "piece of art", it is a commercially created product that Warner Bros. wants to make as much money off of as possible, and they'll do so by letting NRS try and make the best game they can. But in the end, WB doesn't want our "approval", they want our money, and they get that by creating a game that customers will want, not a game that NRS likes. As Ed Boon said himself, "we would rather have the sales of the majority than the approval of the minority." It may be their creation, but it was created with us in mind.


But the art doesn't belong to the artist; it belongs to the commissioner. The WORK was the artist, but the art itself then belongs to the one who paid for it. I do commercial art and take commission work ALL the time (it's actually my part-time job, doing freelance comic work), and everything I create belongs to the people paying for it. It's theirs, not mine. It was my labor, but they paid for it. It is OF my hand, but it ultimately is owned by those who purchased my services.


Yes... but it would still be FOR the paying customers, not for themselves. This game IS a result of fan feedback, detailing what we want, a "greatest hits" of MK, and from the very beginning Boon and co. have said that their motto for this game was "give the fans what they want". They may be making the game, but ultimately we're the ones they're making it for.


Again, you misunderstand. Commercial art is purely commercially driven. When asked why MK wasn't as hardcore as some fans wanted, Boon bluntly told them "because it would hurt sales". The bottom line is all about money, not about "creativity" or "art". I'm all for that, don't get me wrong. I love creativity in games, and bold experiments, like Mirror's Edge, Enslaved, and ICO. But Boon himself said he'd rather have the millions he made from Deadly Alliance than the high praise and poor sales of Street Fighter III, Blazblue, or King of Fighters X. They're making a good product to get good sales. If people want the game for being a good game, they get the money to keep making more. Change for the sake of change is bad business, and being different without method or meaning is just as harmful.

The old adage "don't fix what isn't broken" is essential to good game design. Look at the Zelda franchise, which is criticized for evolution instead of revolution, and yet each and every game is a colossal success, a critical hit, and a beloved classic. Look at a game that drastically changes the formula or alters what people love about the original, though, and you get ugly messes like Perfect Dark Zero, Devil May Cry 2, Metroid: Other M, the Cd-i Zelda games, Star Wars: Force Unleashed 2, and other games that ultimately ended up disappointing fans and critics.

If something is going to change, it has to be an evolution, not a regression. Going back to MK1-3 to explore the old games through a new, deeper perspective is a great idea... but changing some of the most beloved story moments and characters, for no reason other than "because we can", is poor development. I'm not saying it WILL be poor, but if they don't have a reason for it, they don't have a plan on how it'll ripple through the universe and impact the characters, then it'll be a bust.

Just like how Spider-Man's "One More Day" was a terrible, terrible story that stripped away over 20 years worth of character growth, story evolution, and fan attachment and regressed Peter Parker's status quo to what existed two decades ago, something that was certainly "different" from what we had been reading, but none of it was a positive change, so too do I worry, a bit, that any big changes to some of the best character arcs and stories told during the MK4-MK:Armageddon eras might get flagrantly and unnecessary changed, and Cyber Sub-Zero is a very possible sign of this.

NO, I am not opposed to change. I am, however, opposed to BAD change. If I was opposed to change, I wouldn't have played and enjoyed the 3D Mortal Kombat games, or giving the FPS-version of Metroid, Metroid Prime, a shot and adored it, or embraced the cel-shaded style of Wind Waker, or even telling Devil May Cry fans not to freak out about how Dante looks in the new trailer for DMC.

Change is good if the change that occurs is good. Change without purpose, foresight, or deft skill behind it? That's bad.

Rastabortionist Wrote:
i didnt read it, but, judging from the replies, it's fake. they wouldnt do nudity. b/c that would constitute an AO rating in america.

NoobSaibot5 Wrote:


From re-reading the thread, I have to say Razor, this is really, really worrying. Don't get me wrong, there are times reading this website when I just flat out don't agree with the tone of some of your posts and you'd drive me mad with it, but even to a perfect stranger...that post above is just worrying to read man. No video game should effect someone that deeply to the point it's effecting their mental and physical health.

If a video game, a fictional storyline, has that much of an effect on you, I'd suggest going to visit your local doctor or something and explaining to him how worked up your getting from an upcoming Video Game. To care about a hobby is one thing, I myself am a devoted artist, but when your getting that hysterical it's effecting your health it's really dangerous ground to be threading on amigo. It's one thing to become fanatical about a hobby or interest you have control over, but this is fictional work that other people are creating and are in charge of. To invest so much commitment and emotion in to an ever changing franchise is only putting your hand out to be slapped.

I was in the same boat when the first screenshot of Jill Valentine's grave emerged on the web for Resident Evil 5. I seriously was gutted, I was devastated when I thought she'd never return to the franchise. Did it upset me? Yeah, initially, but I liked the fact that Capcom wanted the storyline to progress without it's main heroine and if anything it made me appreciate her character more. The game came out, Jill was alive, turns out I was worried over nothing. In this case it's an acchievement list that's not even verified yet man, so back away from the internet connection and just relax until it's actually confirmed.

To any fan who's disturbed by this, the sad reality is that Boon hinted at this MONTHS ago. It shouldn't really come as a shock to you if it is true, and to expect the exact same storyline with no changes at all would also be very naive on your behalf considering it's public knowledge that Raiden is altering the events of this timeline by going back in time. We're not going to get the same game we played in the Arcade's all of those years ago, it's a brand new game going down a somewhat familiar road, and change is to be expected if we want MK to survive. We don't know what to expect for now, so it's best to just chill the fuck out and calm down.

Blackcyborg is right, your all getting way too worked up about this. It's fictional for gods sake, there's no need to be getting so damn hysterical. I've been playing this game since I was 3, I'm a lifelong fan, but even with all the years I've been playing MK it scares me sometimes reading the reactions of the fans on this website. There are bigger, more important things in the world to focus on than Reptile's Tail, Scorpion's Toasty Fatality, whether or not Bi Han is now a Robot, or Mileena's eye colour, and while your perfectly entitled to complain about all of that here, it should not push you to the point your getting so hysterical. It's a video game, it's supposed to be something fun, not the catalyst to your own insanity.

Karried Wrote:
If this is indeed true, do you guys feel that this game just got a little bit terrible? I mean everything looked so promising, and they come out with a Cyber Sub. *Puke* I hope that's not the Challenge Tower award, because I just spoiled the whole fucking game. Mods should take this kind of shit out ASAP.

For me this game just droped from a 10 to a 8 or 9. Makes it look gimicky.

Karried Wrote:
If this is indeed true, do you guys feel that this game just got a little bit terrible? I mean everything looked so promising, and they come out with a Cyber Sub. *Puke* I hope that's not the Challenge Tower award, because I just spoiled the whole fucking game. Mods should take this kind of shit out ASAP.

For me this game just droped from a 10 to a 8 or 9. Makes it look gimicky.

spineripper Wrote:
I got a feeling that this will be one of those "what if" scenarios.

In story mode, we can see Sub-Zero and Smoke hiding in Outworld. During this trip, They can spend the night in the living forest were Sub has a nightmare were he actually IS caught, and we get to see him transformed into a cyborg in the operation room lupinko mentioned in his twitter leak.

Sub-Zero wakes up scared shitless and realizes that he's all by himself. Smoke is gone. End Sub-Zero chapter.

Ed Boon has been teasing some epic scenes in story mode and I can easily see this dream sequence happening. It provides a new character, without pissing off a lot of fans

spineripper Wrote:
I got a feeling that this will be one of those "what if" scenarios.

In story mode, we can see Sub-Zero and Smoke hiding in Outworld. During this trip, They can spend the night in the living forest were Sub has a nightmare were he actually IS caught, and we get to see him transformed into a cyborg in the operation room lupinko mentioned in his twitter leak.

Sub-Zero wakes up scared shitless and realizes that he's all by himself. Smoke is gone. End Sub-Zero chapter.

Ed Boon has been teasing some epic scenes in story mode and I can easily see this dream sequence happening. It provides a new character, without pissing off a lot of fans

scienceguy14 Wrote:
nice suprised nobody mentioned this......what yall gotta say now?

TemperaryUserName Wrote:

I'd say that although it's an interesting idea, the fact that Smoke is now human kinda flushes out of the realm of possibility.