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08/20/2011 10:53 AM (UTC)
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TheGecko Wrote:
guys guys i think your forgetting that stryker took out reptile, mileena, kintaro and mutha fuckin ermac yo


don ́t forget, the story didn ́t make sense at all
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08/20/2011 12:34 PM (UTC)
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superbn0va Wrote:
TheGecko Wrote:
guys guys i think your forgetting that stryker took out reptile, mileena, kintaro and mutha fuckin ermac yo


don ́t forget, the story didn ́t make sense at all


Don't forget, he still took out reptile, mileena, kintaro and mutha fuckin ermac yo.
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superbn0va Wrote:
TheGecko Wrote:
guys guys i think your forgetting that stryker took out reptile, mileena, kintaro and mutha fuckin ermac yo


don ́t forget, the story didn ́t make sense at all


Don't forget, he still took out reptile, mileena, kintaro and mutha fuckin ermac yo.


Yeah... I said so... and then they had Sindel kill him by getting punched in the face. Whoop-de-freakin'-do.
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08/20/2011 03:02 PM (UTC)
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Stryker's whole thing is fighting off powerful and magical enemies, while being a normal human, it always has been, regardless he defeated a powerful master of telekinesis, a Shokan, a Reptilian assassin, and Mileena.

The point of Mortal Kombat and indeed Stryker's story is to say: Normal, mortal men and women can defend their world against supernatural forces of darkness.

It's pretty disapointing that people try to take away a character's achievements, simply because they're not pleased with it, same thing happened when there was a discussion about Sonya beating Bi-Han because apparently, she couldn't possibly defeat Sub-Zero because she's the weakest fighter at the first tournament (according to whom? Nobody at NRS said anything of the sort, even in the old timeline, so yeah Sonya beat him and yes it's canon now).


I find it funny that nobody questions certain character's victories, but since it's Stryker's it's just impossible that he could have bested the likes of Ermac and Kintaro....it's cool though because it's canon.
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Stryker's whole thing is fighting off powerful and magical enemies, while being a normal human, it always has been, regardless he defeated a powerful master of telekinesis, a Shokan, a Reptilian assassin, and Mileena.

The point of Mortal Kombat and indeed Stryker's story is to say: Normal, mortal men and women can defend their world against supernatural forces of darkness.

It's pretty disapointing that people try to take away a character's achievements, simply because they're not pleased with it, same thing happened when there was a discussion about Sonya beating Bi-Han because apparently, she couldn't possibly defeat Sub-Zero because she's the weakest fighter at the first tournament (according to whom? Nobody at NRS said anything of the sort, even in the old timeline, so yeah Sonya beat him and yes it's canon now).


I find it funny that nobody questions certain character's victories, but since it's Stryker's it's just impossible that he could have bested the likes of Ermac and Kintaro....it's cool though because it's canon.


One thing i would've liked to have touched upon is why the theme of mortal men and women defending the realms is why Raiden doesn't work as the main character. He should just be the mentor.
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08/20/2011 03:18 PM (UTC)
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In the old timeline, Raiden came off as the mentor and less involved character, but of course with him being the whole reason for the reboot, it kind of throws a ratchet in that, but I agree. Thought unfortunately with this story being about his vision it might have not been feasible to relegate him to a more subtle status.

I would have liked to see Raiden take a more wise, mentor role for this game, then later on in MK10 with Shinnok attacking, Raiden leaps into action and takes on greater prominence because I consider the Shinnok scenario different, considering their ancient rivalry and the former Elder God status of Shinnok.
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In the old timeline, Raiden came off as the mentor and less involved character, but of course with him being the whole reason for the reboot, it kind of throws a ratchet in that, but I agree. Thought unfortunately with this story being about his vision it might have not been feasible to relegate him to a more subtle status.

I would have liked to see Raiden take a more wise, mentor role for this game, then later on in MK10 with Shinnok attacking, Raiden leaps into action and takes on greater prominence because I consider the Shinnok scenario different, considering their ancient rivalry and the former Elder God status of Shinnok.


That's true I suppose. Actually, if anything Shao Kahn should've been the one trying to change the timeline... because if there's all these chaotic changes, I can accept that because it's the VILLAIN causing it. That way, it's not an idiot plot.
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08/20/2011 03:30 PM (UTC)
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Espio872 Wrote:
it's not really established who the weakest is among the heroes anyway


No offense to you as a Stryker fan, but one of the heroes has no superpowers so yeah, it is.


No offense taken as MK's whole defining traits is mortal men and women defending themselves against the forces of darkness from other realms, Stryker falls under that category and considering he defeated oppponents with supernatural powers, he;s good to go and can easily rival the likes of his supernatural counterparts, which brings me to the below statements.


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The Brooklyn Brawler once beat Triple H while he was World Champ. Batman has wins over Superman. Sometimes writers allow characters to win solely because it's the only way they can think of for the plot they're trying to tell to move forward, even though it should be impossible. The technical term for it is "jobbing".

One of the many downsides of the Chapter system in MK9 is that they were forced to give Stryker 4 fights in a row, with increasingly more and more powerful enemies, when he really shouldn't be fighting a guy like Kintaro or Ermac at all.

In fact, one of the problems of Story Mode is that MK has told us both in Deception and in this game how Ermac is one of the most powerful characters, but because he's a bad guy, and you only play as the good guys, that means he HAS to lose every single time he fights in the game.


I feel one of the crucial points that most people miss when discussing these fights is that strength is not the only means of defeating an opponent, there are tons of ways to do so, winning a battle isn't always about who is more powerful.

Sometimes, a brilliant mind and ingenuity can overcome brute strength, it happens, heck that's one of the things with martial arts in general, using your opponents strength against them, using their moment to your advantage. It's how a tiny warrior that barely weighs 100 pounds can best a body builder in combat, the body builder might be able to bench press 500 pounds, but his skill in combat does not rival the tiny warrior's.

In regards to Ermac's power, we're assuming that Stryker or whomever fought him, used typical tactics to defeat him, when that may have not been the case, it's conceivable that Stryker overwhelmed Ermac with his tech, considering Outworld doesn't have technology, he could have been totally blind sided by Stryker's attacks, it's not a simple matter of, the most powerful person always wins.
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08/20/2011 04:28 PM (UTC)
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When people complain about the storymode they never mention how no one warned Kung Lao about the seven foot spectator of evil sneeking up behind him to snap his neck. That part of the game bugs me the most.
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08/20/2011 05:36 PM (UTC)
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The thing about this Stryker argument is...he's the Batman.

And Batman is awesome. Everyone likes Batman. I'm not saying that being the weakest guy is bad as long as you can compensate with something else like intelligence, skill, and/or in both their cases, gadgets.

But we were talking about "power" scales. And Batman IS the weakest member of the Justice League, and Stryker IS the weakest member of the Earthrealm warriors.

Again, not a bad thing, weakest doesn't mean worst, just looking at the facts.
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08/20/2011 09:51 PM (UTC)
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ProudNintendofan Wrote:
Any of you remember that review I talked about? Well, it's finally finished.

It's finally finished

(I don't know how to embed links)

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UjnAJrNA&feature;=channel_video_title

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD0prf0wXCs&feature;=channel_video_title

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Unl1he0B5c&feature;=channel_video_title

Let me know what you think and yes, I had to get used to my own voice too.


Fantastic job dude
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08/20/2011 10:45 PM (UTC)
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AmiAlstar Wrote:
When people complain about the storymode they never mention how no one warned Kung Lao about the seven foot spectator of evil sneeking up behind him to snap his neck. That part of the game bugs me the most.


We have a winner. this is the WIN of the thread. I was like wtf when I saw this in the game
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08/25/2011 05:51 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Espio872 Wrote:
The one point I disagree on is the sparing of Sonya and Johnny Cage, they're not any less important than the rest of the roster, they weren't even portrayed as the weakest of the warriors for that matter


They both charged at a villain Liu Kang can defeat, intending to double-team him, and were swatted away like flies.


Didn't Raiden say a good while before the finale that the Soulnado was multiplying Khan's power?
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08/25/2011 09:33 PM (UTC)
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Didn't Raiden say a good while before the finale that the Soulnado was multiplying Khan's power?


Would HAVE. The soulnado was clearly destroyed in this timeline before it could accomplish anything.
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10/16/2011 12:44 PM (UTC)
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Bump, but did you see this tweet yet, PNF?

http://twitter.com/#!/K0MB4T/status/106400226750894080

Vogel said he'd like to respond to your review...[but can't due to legal reasons]
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10/16/2011 03:37 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
LeoBrZ81 Wrote:
Didn't Raiden say a good while before the finale that the Soulnado was multiplying Khan's power?


Would HAVE. The soulnado was clearly destroyed in this timeline before it could accomplish anything.


I was of the opinion that Shao Kahn also got a power surge from merging the realms successfully., part of why the Elder God's initial attempt to crush him was ineffective and they had to put more effort into destroying him, just my thoughts.
Yes, actually I was told of that. It's nice to know that he wants to respond and I stressed that I had nothing personal against him or anyone else. But yeah, I'm glad these criticisms came to his attention. The most important thing is that he realizes that MK needs to move away from the idiot plot.
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10/16/2011 11:48 PM (UTC)
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everything you say absolutely NEEDS to be said. Nicely done, your criticism is spot on, don't listen to the blind MK fanboys who like ANYTHING with an MK logo on it. The story mode was the biggest/longest they've made yet, which is cool and all, but it is extremely lacking in quality.
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10/17/2011 05:26 AM (UTC)
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I'm going to save the link to this thread in my sig space.

Fantastic job PNF and I'm a little upset about not seeing this when you originally put this up.

Naturally, I paid close attention to the section about how they made this story centered around an idiotic yet, GOD character, Raiden. I CAN NOT STAND that when it happens in any medium of entertainment and, it especially burns my ass to have them slap that perverbial "cone of shame" on Raidens head as my favorite character. It's really disappointing/upsetting.

Another part I agree very much on is continuity. I mean, I can understand wanting to change things, which makes change acceptable but, the way alot of this was done was as if they didn't even bother acknowledging much of was pre-existing. Since a large portion of the old cannon was scatter-shot anyway, there's big chunks of the story and character elements that SHOULD HAVE STAYED in tact, regardless of mixing up the plot in the first three games.

Alot of the core writing principals you mention like changing characters (for better or worse) only to kill them off a scene later, heros NOT dieing heroically, or the benefits of death are all items in your review that I agree with 100% as well.

I'm speaking in general in this post but, great job overall bro. I'm glad there's something to reference out there for people to easily watch now.
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I'm going to save the link to this thread in my sig space.

Fantastic job PNF and I'm a little upset about not seeing this when you originally put this up.

Naturally, I paid close attention to the section about how they made this story centered around an idiotic yet, GOD character, Raiden. I CAN NOT STAND that when it happens in any medium of entertainment and, it especially burns my ass to have them slap that perverbial "cone of shame" on Raidens head as my favorite character. It's really disappointing/upsetting.

Another part I agree very much on is continuity. I mean, I can understand wanting to change things, which makes change acceptable but, the way alot of this was done was as if they didn't even bother acknowledging much of was pre-existing. Since a large portion of the old cannon was scatter-shot anyway, there's big chunks of the story and character elements that SHOULD HAVE STAYED in tact, regardless of mixing up the plot in the first three games.

Alot of the core writing principals you mention like changing characters (for better or worse) only to kill them off a scene later, heros NOT dieing heroically, or the benefits of death are all items in your review that I agree with 100% as well.

I'm speaking in general in this post but, great job overall bro. I'm glad there's something to reference out there for people to easily watch now.


Thanks a lot. Yeah, it's nice that Vogel's seen it whether anyone else has seen it on NRS I have no idea but I really hope they learn from this.They've got to be aware of the fan response to things like Cyber Sub-Zero and the Sindel scene.
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10/17/2011 08:19 PM (UTC)
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After 90 seconds, I just could not bear to listen to that screaching nerd voice anymore... dub your voice next time. Hire a voice actor. Jesus Christ my ears are bleeding.
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10/17/2011 08:57 PM (UTC)
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After 90 seconds, I just could not bear to listen to that screaching nerd voice anymore... dub your voice next time. Hire a voice actor. Jesus Christ my ears are bleeding.


Translation: "stop making fun of mk1111!!! boon and mk all the way NERD1111!!! fatality11!!1!"

Probable come back to this post: "No I honestly can't stand his voice, I don't even care that much about MK. lmao @ you nerds getting all pissed off about this shit."

Reality: Considered a "nerd" by self and peers, feels insecure about it. sad
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10/17/2011 09:01 PM (UTC)
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To be fair, the sound of one's voice is a pretty major part to being a reviewer in audio or video format.

Some people, namely like half the folks who work for thatguywiththeglasses.com, just do not have the vocal talent for what they're trying to do and it makes their work hard to sit through. Most of Linkara's detractors in particular cite it as their biggest problem with him.
Personally, I don't find PNF that bad...but I wouldn't say he has much hope for a future career as a radio DJ either, lol.
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10/17/2011 09:49 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
To be fair, the sound of one's voice is a pretty major part to being a reviewer in audio or video format.

Some people, namely like half the folks who work for thatguywiththeglasses.com, just do not have the vocal talent for what they're trying to do and it makes their work hard to sit through. Most of Linkara's detractors in particular cite it as their biggest problem with him.

Personally, I don't find PNF that bad...but I wouldn't say he has much hope for a future career as a radio DJ either, lol.


lol, you and your knowledge bombs. Very true, the voice can make a big difference, I can't disagree with that. My only gripe was that PNF obviously put time and effort into these reviews and to have a troll immediately write it off for a petty reason (PNF's voice isn't THAT bad) and in such a douchy manner is just obnoxious and annoying.

Also i just wanted to see how accurate i would be in my guesses of the troll's reaction and real life identity in the name of science (also because I am avoiding homework at all costs right now, haha).
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10/17/2011 09:53 PM (UTC)
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Spaceman Wrote:
My only gripe was that PNF obviously put time and effort into these reviews and to have a troll immediately write it off for a petty reason (PNF's voice isn't THAT bad) and in such a douchy manner is just obnoxious and annoying.


Yeah, that is a dick move, I'm just playin' devil's advocate 'cause I've watched plenty of reviews on the net myself where the reviewer's voice bugged the shit out of me. Still, I at least sit through and take in the actual points made in the review.
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