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Thrawn
06/23/2009 01:18 PM (UTC)
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I'll try to give you another example of what I am getting at JohnBoyAdvance.

You are correct that all of the mk games except vs dc have been M-rated. But the tone of them after mk2 and with the exception of mk4 has not been very mature or adult in my opinion.

Here I will go back to the Batman analogy I made earlier because I think it perfectly illustrates my point and it is a current one that everybody is probably familiar with.

The Tim Burton Batman films both Batman and Batman Returns were both fairly serious movies but with some stylized elements and a comic book feel to them. Both rated PG-13.

The Joel Schumaker films both Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. Goofy, campy and basically live action cartoons. Both rated PG-13.

The Christopher Nolan Batman films. Batman Begins and the Dark Knight. Very gritty and realistic films. Both rated PG-13.

All six of these movies deal with the exact same characters, settings, mythos, and material but with different tones and approaches but they all have the same PG-13 rating.

Mkda had Bo Rai Cho farting and puking on kombatants (comparable to the nipples and cod pieces imo), Quan Chi had that goofy ass head stretchy thing. Not to mention the nicely worded description you gave the blood caterpillars. Compared to mk 1 and mk2 mkda feels kind of campy and "light" to me.

Tone is I suppose what I am getting at. The Dark Knight has an intensity that Batman and Robin didn't have despite the fact that both movies have the same rating.

I have no doubt after mk vs dc we will certainly see more blood in the next mk game but I want it's story and tone to be treated in a more mature way than I felt we got with mkda and to a lesser extent mkd and mka.

I just wanted to try and explain how an M rating doesn't really guarantee to me that we will actually get a true mature game. That is all I'm trying to say. I agree with most of your post though.

Especially the part about a graveyard type setting where we can view maybe bios or something detailing dead kombatants and how they were killed in the series. That would be cool.
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redpath
06/23/2009 01:21 PM (UTC)
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They have always hinted at going with a new set of characters.

I'd rather they go with a whole set of fighters rather than having us guess who will be and who should be in a new game.

That's the problem with almost any fighter. More than half the fun is finding out and spoiling who the roster will be and the other half is actually playing a game you will ultimately be disappointed in.

That's the problem with the ENTIRE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY today. All the fun is spoiling the games before their released because the actual games themselves fall way below fanboy expectations and trolls with no lives take it from there.

Gaming in the 90s was ace. This decade has had few gold bricks whereas the 90s had mines of gold.
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06/23/2009 02:34 PM (UTC)
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Thrawn Wrote:
I'll try to give you another example of what I am getting at JohnBoyAdvance.

You are correct that all of the mk games except vs dc have been M-rated. But the tone of them after mk2 and with the exception of mk4 has not been very mature or adult in my opinion.

Here I will go back to the Batman analogy I made earlier because I think it perfectly illustrates my point and it is a current one that everybody is probably familiar with.

The Tim Burton Batman films both Batman and Batman Returns were both fairly serious movies but with some stylized elements and a comic book feel to them. Both rated PG-13.

The Joel Schumaker films both Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. Goofy, campy and basically live action cartoons. Both rated PG-13.

The Christopher Nolan Batman films. Batman Begins and the Dark Knight. Very gritty and realistic films. Both rated PG-13.

All six of these movies deal with the exact same characters, settings, mythos, and material but with different tones and approaches but they all have the same PG-13 rating.

Mkda had Bo Rai Cho farting and puking on kombatants (comparable to the nipples and cod pieces imo), Quan Chi had that goofy ass head stretchy thing. Not to mention the nicely worded description you gave the blood caterpillars. Compared to mk 1 and mk2 mkda feels kind of campy and "light" to me.

Tone is I suppose what I am getting at. The Dark Knight has an intensity that Batman and Robin didn't have despite the fact that both movies have the same rating.

I have no doubt after mk vs dc we will certainly see more blood in the next mk game but I want it's story and tone to be treated in a more mature way than I felt we got with mkda and to a lesser extent mkd and mka.

I just wanted to try and explain how an M rating doesn't really guarantee to me that we will actually get a true mature game. That is all I'm trying to say. I agree with most of your post though.

Especially the part about a graveyard type setting where we can view maybe bios or something detailing dead kombatants and how they were killed in the series. That would be cool.


Let's hope Boon and Co read your post. Nicely said.
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stranghold
06/23/2009 03:04 PM (UTC)
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I already knew that mk9 wil be an m rated mk game!!
it is intersting what the story wil be?
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Androyd6
06/23/2009 03:06 PM (UTC)
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I hope we get a screen shot or some more info soon....This site needs more than 5-10 people online at a time.
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boon likes kittens..
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Skaven13
06/23/2009 03:43 PM (UTC)
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I agree with Thrawn, and have been saying the same thing myself for years. The moves were more serious "back in the day". When moves were executed, they had a level of realism and believablity to them, even though they were fantastic in nature. Now, you have things like Drahmin stepping on your toe and punching you like a rolly-polly rubber thing, bodies bouncing off the ground like basket balls, farting, puking, people spinning on one leg kicking (always thought that was a cartoony move, sorry), and so on.
I really think the team is confused as to where to insert humor. I know they want some humor and goofiness in the game, but in the past (MK2 especially) they knew where to put it. The occasional "Toasty!" here and there, for instance. Also, they had entire finishing moves dedicated to humor and strageness. They were seperate, and didn't have to be there if the people didn't want it there. Now, these strange, cartoony "funny" things are integrated into the actual combat of the game, and it just destroys the tone of the game almost entirely.
That's one reason I am still a fan of friendships and babalities. The strangeness and humor that some people want in the MK game is still there, but it is seperate from the core gameplay, and doesn't have to be performed if the person doesn't want it there.
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illu§ion
06/23/2009 03:50 PM (UTC)
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Ed Boon is nothing but hype. I rather see a documentary of the rise and fall of Mortal Kombat than a so-called video game "Mortal Kombat 9."
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Nic-V
06/23/2009 06:05 PM (UTC)
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illu§ion Wrote:
Ed Boon is nothing but hype. I rather see a documentary of the rise and fall of Mortal Kombat than a so-called video game "Mortal Kombat 9."

Then why are you here? I can confirm for you that such a documentary will never see the light.
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illu§ion
06/23/2009 07:04 PM (UTC)
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Nic-V Wrote:
illu§ion Wrote:
Ed Boon is nothing but hype. I rather see a documentary of the rise and fall of Mortal Kombat than a so-called video game "Mortal Kombat 9."

Then why are you here? I can confirm for you that such a documentary will never see the light.


...

I would think you were kidding by such a newbie rebuttal. But anyways, there are more reasons why someone would want to browse a community forum than just having "interest" in Mortal Kombat.
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ErmaSco
06/23/2009 08:49 PM (UTC)
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This site isnt dead yet ?
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Nic-V
06/24/2009 08:18 AM (UTC)
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illu§ion Wrote:
Nic-V Wrote:
illu§ion Wrote:
Ed Boon is nothing but hype. I rather see a documentary of the rise and fall of Mortal Kombat than a so-called video game "Mortal Kombat 9."

Then why are you here? I can confirm for you that such a documentary will never see the light.


...

I would think you were kidding by such a newbie rebuttal. But anyways, there are more reasons why someone would want to browse a community forum than just having "interest" in Mortal Kombat.

And I would think you were kidding by saying such nonsense smile
But let's just end it there grin
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fedegita
06/24/2009 09:10 AM (UTC)
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Nic-V Wrote:
illu§ion Wrote:
Ed Boon is nothing but hype. I rather see a documentary of the rise and fall of Mortal Kombat than a so-called video game "Mortal Kombat 9."

Then why are you here? I can confirm for you that such a documentary will never see the light.


I mean, fuck, illusion. How can you be on an MK site when you don't even like Ed Boon or the direction MK will be going? What? No, the last 17 years of MK history AREN'T a valid reason.

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and that TOTALLY wasn't sarcastic
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JohnBoyAdvance
06/24/2009 09:40 AM (UTC)
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Thrawn Wrote:
I just wanted to try and explain how an M rating doesn't really guarantee to me that we will actually get a true mature game. That is all I'm trying to say. I agree with most of your post though.


Nail on the head really. I mean, I dont want it to go too mature and too realistic because it just wouldn't be fun to play. I would agree that the visual style of MK1, 2 and 4 would be a better route to go than DA, D and A.

3, UMK3 and Trilogy just looked a bit too cartoony (I dont know why...) and had way too many gimmicks. Although I'd love to see the Kombat Church again. And you smash someone through the window and they land into an open grave and jump out looking visually shocked.

And thank you. smile
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Thrawn
06/24/2009 01:12 PM (UTC)
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The Kombat Church is one of my all time favorite levels JohnBoyAdvance.
The music really added so much to that level. I also really loved the candles in the foreground. Totally bad ass.

But yeah as much as I love umk3 and mkt they did have a look that was a little cartoony compared to mk1 and 2. I also haven't been able to really nail down yet what it was about that look that made me like it less than mk 1 and 2. It was good but yeah a little cartoony or something.
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Nic-V
06/24/2009 01:45 PM (UTC)
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fedegita Wrote:
Nic-V Wrote:
illu§ion Wrote:
Ed Boon is nothing but hype. I rather see a documentary of the rise and fall of Mortal Kombat than a so-called video game "Mortal Kombat 9."

Then why are you here? I can confirm for you that such a documentary will never see the light.


I mean, fuck, illusion. How can you be on an MK site when you don't even like Ed Boon or the direction MK will be going? What? No, the last 17 years of MK history AREN'T a valid reason.

Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
and that TOTALLY wasn't sarcastic

You're missing the point. He doesn't want to see a new game? What the hell is he doing here? It doesn't make sense.
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subzerofan316
06/24/2009 08:38 PM (UTC)
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common people. this is great news. why are everybody so negative. stop talking about mk vs dc. thats old news. lets pay attenchin with mk real mk with m rating. screw everything but mk. thats final sleepsleepsleepsleepsleepsleepsleepsleep
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06/24/2009 09:22 PM (UTC)
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JohnBoyAdvance Wrote:
Thrawn Wrote:
I just wanted to try and explain how an M rating doesn't really guarantee to me that we will actually get a true mature game. That is all I'm trying to say. I agree with most of your post though.


Nail on the head really. I mean, I dont want it to go too mature and too realistic because it just wouldn't be fun to play. I would agree that the visual style of MK1, 2 and 4 would be a better route to go than DA, D and A.

3, UMK3 and Trilogy just looked a bit too cartoony (I dont know why...) and had way too many gimmicks. Although I'd love to see the Kombat Church again. And you smash someone through the window and they land into an open grave and jump out looking visually shocked.

And thank you. smile


Aside from the friendships, animatlities, and babalities, I don't see the cartoony thing you guys are talking about. It was cleaner, that's how I took it. It seemed like they had really nailed down the process for the look of the game artistically. I liked everything about MK3-T except for the extra "alities". It was a bit too much.

But nah, I don't see the cartoony thing.
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06/25/2009 08:09 AM (UTC)
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Nic-V Wrote:

You're missing the point. He doesn't want to see a new game? What the hell is he doing here? It doesn't make sense.


I know. OMG. Totally doesn't make sense.
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Thrawn
06/25/2009 10:21 AM (UTC)
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I don't know Pred. There was something about the mk3 series that didn't quite click with me visually. Now I loved it. Please don't get me wrong.

Maybe it was all the extra alites that you mention. Another thing I think was when somebody exploded and 3 sets of heads and arms and leg bones came out. Plus they were all colored the same as well. In mk2 when they exploded guts and gore came out. It looked like shit in mk3. I think that was one of the main problems for me. Plus all the colored blood pissed me off as well.

Why does Sheeva have green blood but Goro and Kintaro have red blood? Why does Reptile have green blood but he has red blood in mk 1 and mk2? Why the fuck do they have green blodd at all? I'm okay with the oil for Sektor and Cyrax though.

It was little things like that that hurt mk3 visually a little bit for me Pred. I think all that excess was too much and took away from the overall tone of the game for me. None of that crap was in mk2 or mk4.
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06/25/2009 12:27 PM (UTC)
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It probably comes down to something as petty as green blood for some of the characters as far as The MK3 Series is concerned.

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06/25/2009 08:36 PM (UTC)
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06/25/2009 08:54 PM (UTC)
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Thrawn Wrote:


JohnBoyAdvance Wrote:


Ah, I see. Yea, I did wonder what was up with that stuff at the time but it didn't really get in the way of the gameplay or the story for me.

I can see where you're coming from though...it sorta "adds up" to a distraction. lol

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I'm not separate from you guys though, when it comes to things making sense in the game. I mean, these little subtleties can at least be put together in clever ways. The clothes some of them wear can be significant for some of the characters, so can the predominated fighting style a particular character uses. Where they're from//weapon if they use one//what they do for a living//who they're affiliated with...ect.

And then for some characters (take Havik maybe), and nothing at all makes sense,and he has no recognizable fighting style. All in how they play with the cards I guess.

Just to be clear though, I'm still on board with none of the characters (save maybe the Shaolin monks) having exact fighting styles. I'd still love to see something more loosely based on a given style.... like movie choreography.
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06/25/2009 09:31 PM (UTC)
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Skaven13 Wrote:
I agree with Thrawn, and have been saying the same thing myself for years. The moves were more serious "back in the day". When moves were executed, they had a level of realism and believablity to them, even though they were fantastic in nature. Now, you have things like Drahmin stepping on your toe and punching you like a rolly-polly rubber thing, bodies bouncing off the ground like basket balls, farting, puking, people spinning on one leg kicking (always thought that was a cartoony move, sorry), and so on.
I really think the team is confused as to where to insert humor. I know they want some humor and goofiness in the game, but in the past (MK2 especially) they knew where to put it. The occasional "Toasty!" here and there, for instance. Also, they had entire finishing moves dedicated to humor and strageness. They were seperate, and didn't have to be there if the people didn't want it there. Now, these strange, cartoony "funny" things are integrated into the actual combat of the game, and it just destroys the tone of the game almost entirely.
That's one reason I am still a fan of friendships and babalities. The strangeness and humor that some people want in the MK game is still there, but it is seperate from the core gameplay, and doesn't have to be performed if the person doesn't want it there.

Totally agree.

Very well said.

I am in favor of having Friendships return. Babalities were never interesting though. Just lame.

If they want humor, they should bring friendships back. No more stupid farts and such. And if they want to add humor, remember that the game is for a mature audience, not preschoolers.
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Thrawn
06/25/2009 10:55 PM (UTC)
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No it didn't get in the way of the story or gameplay for me either Pred. It is just something that I would done differently. That is all. I still loved MK3 then and I do know.

I also agree with QSB. I never like babalities but I would be okay with friendships if they were to return. They were just quirky and weird enough that I liked them.
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06/26/2009 03:10 AM (UTC)
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I love MK3, because the dark atmosphere the game had. After a decadent tournament in MK1, and a tournament trap in MK2, the best they did was to Earth lose at this time. I love Kahn invasion.

It was so different from the previous 2. New characters, arenas. A real good storyline, until Deadly Alliance.

The problem was the humor that they put in the Fatalities. Arcade Drop, Hammer Punch, Inflating Head ?

The Animalities were not so good also. Wish they had never existed.

Friendship and Babalities already was in MK2, so its the same. Dont bother with it.
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