I think one of two things need to change about Sindel; her story or her image.

She's designed to look like a banshee, which is made even more obvious by her scream attack. At first, it made sense because she was evil, but now her image is SOOO at odds with the benevolent queen that's too emotional to fight her own daughter.

I think to improve her they should go back to history books, and try to make her more like Queen Elizabeth the first, personality wise. Show us that she is the tough as death queen that she looks like. I wanna see her do things that only a tough leader could do. This is especially important because they need her leadership style to feel different from not only kitana's but now Taven too.

I think the people who do love sindel just like her image; the dark queen.

At the very least, the crying about her dead hubby has got to stop. Jerrod is dead, but Shao Kahn's been killed once or twice now, so really she's the bad guy if she tries to kill Kahn again.

Sindel...
Well,basically she is supposed to be the Queen of Edenia.They don't talk much about her the games.Her MK:D ending sounded great.Her and Jade fighting side by side to free Kitana of the spell the Dragon King had set on her and to...well destroy him!MK:A was a big mess-up considering that I thought this was actually going to be true.If she comes back in the next game she should have a change of heart.What I'm saying is for her to become evil.

The reason she would be better off as an evil person is because we are not getting much from the whole Sindel,Kitana,and Jade thing.The whole banshee thing doesn't make sense.An intimidating thing being a good person and especially being the Queen of Edenia?!I don't think that would work out.I don't see her doing anything for the place.

In the MK:D konquest I remeber all of them saying that Shao Kahn is going to take over or that Edenia will win ,but I don't hear Sindel's name being mentioned at all.The only person fighting for their realm is Kitana.For Sindel it's a lose/lose situation.If Sindel is good she would want to kill Shao Kahn which makes her a 'bag guy' because when Liu Kang wanted vengeance we got tired of him.If Sindel allies with Shao Kahn she would still be considered a 'bad guy'.

...to end my point I would like to finish off by saying Sindel should become evil or not come back at all.

Changing character to... Kabal.

Kabal is a character I like. I think his chances of returning are kind of 50/50-ish. If he returns, we'll likely see more of the new Black Dragon stuff and his plans to bring anarchy. I still think the new Black Dragon thing is kinda iffy. I feel as if he didn't need to take leadership of the Black Dragon to have allies and spread anarchy.

Personally, I'd rather not see him back. I'm not that interested in seeing his story continue, and I'd rather see someone like Kira return. If he does come back, I hope they can make the most out of him. I certainly don't have any concrete ideas.

His takeover of the Back Dragon could very well spark some conflict between him and Kano (If he returns.). If not, keep him either as a (semi)clueless ally of Havik or as a dead knocker. Although I don't want him to.

If he maintains his leadership, all the way with the anarchy. We need a new, powerful villain from Earthrealm that is not either crude or stupid. Kabal fits this bill well.

It's not that I want Kabal to do die, however, if I were to choose 10-15 characters to have on the MK8 roster, Kabal wouldn't be there. I wouldn't kill him off, but I would have him sit out a round. One of the great things about the konquest mode is that you could see Kitana referance interactions with goro even though goro wasn't in the game. I would prodice story content for kabal that is more than just a casual reference, but I wouldn't bother bringing him back into the game yet because his storyline doesn't have pressing questions the way Noob Saibot does.

That said, I think Kabal would probably appear in the Chaos Realm as he has a good partnership with Havik right now.

I just found this thread.

I want Kabal to live, as the leader of the Black Dragon, it'd be cool if he hooked up with Kira. Also, he should have a semi-rivalry with Kano for leadership. Havik should be allied with him too.

Since Kabal is making a "new" Black Dragon Clan, I think he should stay to run around and give directions to the members.Kabal,the clan leader, should stay and live than to rather die and for the MKTeam act like there was never a new BDC.Since Kabal is getting at something here with the new BDC he should instead have a rivalry with one of the members on the RDC.

His rivalry should not be with Daegon(if he lives)because so far he is one of the major characters.If this rivalry is so(with Daegon) they should make Kabal a major character.In my opinion Kabal should have more of an informative story to back him up with the whole new clan thing.I will be disappointed if he dies and they don't bring him back in the next game.He should stay with more Bio info. and more importance to the game.If they don't make Kabal a major character, make his rival somebody like Kano or Mavado.

...to end my point of Kabal and to summarize into one sentence, Kabal should stay as a new major character or have a rivalry with less major characters(someone from RDC).

When first playing MK3, Kabal was one of the characters that first drew my attention. His unique design really caught my eye, more specifically, his mask. There was something about it that was fascinating, yet equally mysterious and creepy about it at the same time. Although his outer facade was something to speak about, it was what lied beneath which ultimately had me intrigued. Who was this arcane persona, saved from death by the Gods, chosen to fight against Shao Kahn's forces? Why did he choose to stay hidden as so? Very little was known about him until you played through the game.

Once his past was revealed, it left me wanting more. Kabal's disposition revealed, I was a bit disappointed. A former Black Dragon, scarred by Outworld extermination squads, a chosen one? Why? What made him so special? He was a formal criminal, who perhaps didn't even deserve this second chance he was presented with. But he grew on me a little, and I started to like Kabal's story of redemption and revenge. His tale is just a bit nostalgic of the old comic book heroes, given another shot in life, fighting for good and against evil. Not to mention, his special moves were my absolute favorite in the game, even if they were a bit absurd.

When it was found out in MKDA that Kabal had been murdered by Mavado, as his plan to eradicate the Black Dragon, I was a bit upset by his long period of unappearance, and then apparent death. His character could've definitely been expanded upon during the time he was missing in action. At least Mavado had his famed hookswords as a weapon, which pleased me adequately.

With the announcement of Deception, there was a not-so-suprising return of Kabal (for the simple fact that no one ever dies in MK). However, his presence was worthless in my view. Havik convinced him to once again start the Black Dragon back up in a stale plot-move that had been done to death. It would've been so much better if they had made the clan just stay vanquised permanantly. Although I could see why Kabal would be in gratitude for having his life saved, how could reforming the Black Dragon help him at all? Why would he even consider this considering his experiences in MK3. This made Kabal out to be another ruthless thug, who I hoped never to see out of him. Boon & Co. even decided to make Kabal so dispisable that he would pit his own comrades against each other to prove loyalty, which he himself has none. His character just became flawed, and there could've been so much more potential if he had stayed the route of a good guy. Instead he ends up with the two worst recuits in the Black Dragon's history.

As for Kabal in Armageddon, I can only assume he continued to follow in the steps of Havik, although what their top goal was is unknown. Did they still want to retrive Onaga's heart, even though the supposedly joined his ranks? What did Kabal truly want from defeating Blaze? We know he wanted Mavado dead, but he could've done that normally, without enhanced powers. I think his ending was rather lame, and predictable, but at least it ended his only fued.

Speaking of Mavado, I hate how their strife was never expanded upon. Both simply defeated each other in their respective games, then moved on, without any real sense of a strong-willed confict. And in Armageddon, we don't even see any interaction between the two except in endings. I will not lie - I enjoy seeing Mavado die at Kabal's hands once and for all, and would definitely rather see him return in a future game. The idea of Mavado gaining control of Kabal as stated in his ending though, may be quite an interesting change of pace, become his opponent's slave. However, I'm not fully on to this idea, as I don't believe the fued was expanded on enough to make a hatred between them come into effect now.

As for Kabal's future, I'm iffy on his return. I am truly sick of the Black Dragon and it's never ending cycle of repetativeness. However, if the clan was decided to stick around, Kabal should definitely be brought back. They should consistantly stick with the leader, or else his reappearance was absolutely useless in the long run. I'd like to see Kabal make Black Dragon into something more than a petty criminal orgainization. I mean world chaos, mass destruction type of thing. Show that the Black Dragon is actually something useful to the storyline of MK. Although I'd really like to see Kabal go back to his MK3 roots, I highly doubt he ever will. So just enhance his evilness, give the Black Dragon a bigger role, and continue his alliance with Havik and see where that leads him. Otherwise, goodbye Kabal.

Kabal is one of the most unique characters MK has....and they basically ignored him throughout MK history. He's a character I'm disappointed in because, he had Scorpion or Sub Zero potential.

As a matter of fact, the "vibe" I used to get from Kabal was that of the early ninjas. In the middle, going for whatever he sees necessary. But only then.

He was the "ghost" of the series to me. Not a lin kuei, not a ninja, not even a spectre....just "ghost", or maybe even better, "the phantom of MK".

When he came back, I felt like the series wasn't ready for that kind of character yet, even though he had been there games before.

As far as his story, I like that he's involved with Havik. Because I think it promotes him being around for his own reasons, but I hate his ties to the Black Dragon. I think it limits and reduces him. Like he has to be the "common thugs" leader or something.

This is Kabal:



I'd like to see him re-kindel this kind of path. Since MkT, I don't see him as a definate good or bad character, but to me, he has a conscience about what he does. I'd like to see him toggle between Hotaru, maybe Diarou, and Havik. Have Kabal kill Darrius or something...y'know?

They're all the "non-involved" entities, but still relevant. They can align with good, they can think they're aligned with good but be doing bad, or can just knowingly go and do some foul shit for their own cause. That's the way I've always thought they would carry Kabal.

Other "vibes" that ring Kabal are like:

1. Horsemen, or old western types. Just modernized a bit(old soul types)
2. Bikers, like hells angels
3. bad guys that turn to the Millitary, but it doesn't work out.


Just a couple.

Oh, I want to mention that I liked the MkSM interpretation of Kabal too. With the Texas accent. I think it fit perfectly.....

And take the cape BACK off. lol

kabal....interesting.
For what i know he have a huge fanbase,and this is absolutely a good thing for him.
He have also a great storyline unsettled between good & evil,a criminal,a terrorist,a weapon dealer or a lone hero,with altruistic attitude?

I love all characters with splitted personalities.
In mk3 he was a evil characters which choose to fight alongside Liu kang and other heroes for a greater Purpose:resquing mankind and stop shao kahn invasion.
In his ending kabal choose the path of good.However in mk3 almost noone liked him.
I don't know why,maybe he was too similar to kano(kabal had more or less the same storyline which midway team gave to Kano in mk1),but again noone really liked him.
When i played mk3 i was the only one to choose and learn how to play with him,all my friedns choosed Liu Kang,Kung Lao or Sonya.
I tried kabal and he wasn't that bad:bad ass moves,he used weapons and had a good animality.His fatalityies sucked,however i remember he was pretty easy to use.

In mk3 he was just a fairy good characters,with few cool moves and combos.
But the true improvement come with deception:even tough his storyline about the hooksowrds with mavado is just silly,i still like him.His new look(with long coat) made him badass.
He had also a good amount of combos and the goju-ryu style was pretty decent.
his fatalities in deception are just great:funny,gore and fairy realistical.
His hara-kiri is pointless,however this problem regards all characters(except Kenshi).
but the most important thing is his new role:teacher and mentore for new generations...of Black Dragons,whcich means that the Black drago clan will surely return in mk8!
And,in the end,he was more credible than bo rai cho to fit this role.
I also love kira,but we'll talk about her in the near future.
kobra sucks,even tough with the right amount of work he can have a decent storyline.
Kabal in armageddon is just a unknown character:without a bio,and with a unconsistent ending Kabal can't get out from mediocrity.However he's not abysmal:he appears in the konquest mode and he is the third boss.his purpose are unknown,but if we consider the the opening movie Kabal should fight alongside the evil side against his former allies.
i really do not wait for his bio,however i like to know more about his relation with Kano and Jarek.


just two words for Sindel:i HATE Her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She isn't the good queen of edenia,but she looks a lot to a witch.i don't like the banshee screamer power too.I don't like her attires(she resemble more to a old gym fitness teacher,rather than a queen),ven tough her fatalities are cool in mk3 and deception.
and btw she is one of the main reasons why annihiliation sucked.

I think that kabal deserves to be in mk 8,

Probability of returning: 20%




In mk3 I never took a great fancy to Kabal. I was more obsessed with the ninjas at a younger age. But when I did get around to using Kabal I thought he was so amazing because he had hook swords and there wasn't to many characters with weapons etc. And I was literally obsessed with his scary face fatality. And I liked the concept behind the mask and on how it linked to the story.


His story involved having something done to him by the notorious Shao Kahn. and Kabal was out to get revenge. And in the story he prevailed and was a good guy.


I think he could have had more potential in mk3 and be turned into a "main" character. But unfortunately he didn't really get anywhere.


The long awaited return:



One of Deceptions top priorities was to bring back the nostalgia characters. And who better to bring back than Kabal. I mean he hadn't been in a game since 1995. so they brung him back and it was great to se him...His costume had been Revamped and his alternate one looked awesome. He had a bigger role in the storylines due to a smaller deception roster. Things were rally looking up for Kabal.


But this time he got twisted into black dragon in which he was leader. Back in deadly alliance he didn't make a official appearance but put a young character named Movado over and letting him win his prized hookswords. Anyway in Deception Movado didn't make an appearance which I didn't think made to much sense as the rivalry between them could have been immense.


With two new comrades in Deception who went by the names of Kira and Kobra. Kabal had decent back up. In the story lines alls that really happened is he ditched Kobra and killed him.



Then we get to Armageddon were I think he had an abysmal role. For such a character with potential (Slaps head).



overall Kabal is a decent character who once had great potential to be a big good guy. But the mk team botched that didn't they.



We'll miss you.

New character: Cyrax.

i like all three cyborgs,but of the three cyrax is the one i love the less.
smoke is my fav,and i prefer sektor to cyrax.

in mk3 cyrax was the second unit,after sektor.he had abysmal fatalities and abysmal moves(except for his green net).
He haven't so much good storyline either.
all he did was fighting against subby and get his ass kicked alongisde sektor.
he appeared in mk gold,where he had abysmal fatalities and ridicoulous storyline.
However there's something intriguing in him.
he is cool he have charisma and his special forces storyline isn't that bad.
in mk DA he have a pretty good fatality and is good to use in armageddon.
his pulse blade is cool too.

storyline-wise i really doubt he can be "useful" to mk.
all he does is take orders from sonya and jax.but with jax transofmed into a cyborg (and probabily dead) he have two options:
1)die
2)become new SF leader.

the second option actually is something unexpected and interesting,but with two better cyborgs who really thinks that will happens?

so unluckly cyrax will die or retire

I really like Cyrax ,but he doesn't really have much of a story to begin with.He was going on to something in MKDA.

In his MKDA ending he was transported to Earthrealm ,but for what reason?If he's going back to Earthrealm he should do something there instead of just stay in the background all by himself.Smoke and Sektor had more importance in the game than Cyrax.Cyrax needs to have some sort of connection with his other fellow cyborgs or at least on rivalry with a character.

If they're going to bring Cyrax back ,which I doubt, they should actually stretch his ending with some kind of rivalry or bring him back to fight with Sonya,Jax, the SF.I really think that he should do something with his life.We need more answered questions!

.....ending my summary, Cyrax should be left behind with the other dieing characters or have more importance and connection with his ending.

I like Cyrax, but I think his chances of returning are less than 50%. He doesn't particular have much significance as a character or in terms of the story. He'll most likely die. If he does return, I'd like to see an alliance between him and Sub-Zero but without making him a Lin Kuei warrior again. Other than that, I personally don't have any concrete story ideas aside from a conflict with Sektor and the Tekunin, something that should've been more of a focus with Cyrax's story than Sonya's.

Gameplay-wise, he needs to step up as he sucks in MKDA and MKA. The whole "Ninjitsu" thing is absolutely idiotic and erroneous that I'm not going to get into it. I'd rather his fighting style be something like Meihuazhuang, a traditional Northern Chinese martial art that has origins in the military but later became part of Northern Shaolin martial arts. For his weapon, I'd rather see a Pulse weapon be modeled after the Chinese Long Axe.

His special moves need toning up. I'd definitely want the Energy Net to return as that was my favorite move of his. He doesn't need moves like Spinkicks or Slice n' Dice. His detonator moves need to be changed in their properties, having them activate when the opponent steps on them.

Overall, he's one of those characters that I feel aren't needed to bring back. If he is brought back, he needs exploration into his character and backstory as well as having his story be stepped up a bit.

To lastfighter89: The Special Forces is a division of the U.S. Army. Just how could he become its leader?

Now, I’m a huge Cyrax fan, but what’s weird is that I didn’t warm up to Cyrax until I joined this community. I started to think about all the characters from a perspective of what they symbolize and represent (ex. Sub-zero is about individuality and karma). When I started to about Cyrax, I noted that one of strange things about him is that his endings seem to revolve around dangerous environments; in mk3 he wandered into a desert, then in MKDA, he braved a lava pit. Without becoming a fan, I thought that was a pretty interesting character quirk, and it remains one of favorite features about any character today.

Cyrax is sits in the middle of Smoke and Sektor who stand at opposite extremes. He did not volunteer for mechanization as Sektor did, but once selected, he didn’t try to escape with Sub-Zero and Smoke. Cyrax simply allowed himself to be mechanized without thinking about whether it was what he wanted one way or the other. Cyrax is a character who simply did what he was told to do, and this where we come to his MK3 ending. Without new orders, he wanders blindly into the desert looking for home base. The word “blindly” is relevant because Cyrax has no personal motivation to live, so he lost without orders from his clan, causing him to malfunction.

When Cyrax is saved from a fate of entropy, he finds that his human mind has reasserted itself. However, despite having free will, he fundamentally does not have a soul like Smoke; he is simply a machine without orders to follow. Cyrax desires above all else his humanity, and is willing to risk his life because he doesn’t see himself as being alive. To be alive, you need purpose, a destiny, and as a machine, Cyrax has no reason to live.

What made me a fan of Cyrax was realizing that he is really the most philosophical of any mortal kombat character. He delves into questions like the meaning of life, and what it means to have a soul. The unexamined life is not worth living, and Cyrax constantly preoccupies himself with what it means to be alive, and the need to have a purpose to make life worth living. Remember the MKDA krypt gag “The softer side to Cyrax.” It actually works well with Cyrax because he is by far the most thoughtful character to the game. Cyrax is my 3rd favorite character after Smoke and Sub-Zero.

That said, his moves are clunky to say the least. The bomb and the buzz saw both need a lot of skill to use effectively. On the other hand, the buzz saw is possibly my favorite attack ever due to the hilarity factor.

What should be in store for Cyrax’s future? Well, as usual, he needs to brave some kind of dangerous terrain, just because I love that shtick, and it symbolizes his lost nature. If Nitara and the vampires become a threat, then Cyrax needs to be there because of his responsibility in that outcome. Other than that though, it’s a little odd to me that he didn’t play a bigger role in MKDA. That whole game was about taking human souls, and enslaving them inside mummified corpses; I would think that’s exactly the kind of thing that outrage Cyrax. What happened to Li Mei is exactly what happened to him, so why wasn’t he apart of that fight? I think an alliance with Li Mei would make a lot of sense, and would make each character a lot more interesting. Cyrax character has always been on the individual level rather than being part of an organization of any kind.

same for jax....how could he become its leader?

What kind of question is that? Jax is a Major in the Special Forces.

I would hope that Cyrax lives, but he takes a less active stance on events.

A crackpot theory of mine that I was tinkering with was involving his humanity. As the shockwave hit, Cyrax's cybernetics either converted to human organs (or verry close similarities, like Bicentennial Man was using) or become totally inactive. Cyrax returns to active duty in the Special Forces, but feels inadequate without the technology he has used for so long.
This prompt him to use the Special Forces' technology to make him a suit that could allow him the use of his weaponry (Nets, bombs, copter hair, etc.) while retaining his humanity.

A fun example of this would be a Target/Headmaster, a smaller Transformer that could become a tool or head for a bigger Transformer. The example here is of Spike Witwicky, whom was outfitted with a suit that could make him become the head for the Autobot Cerebros, who in turn became the head for Fortress Maximus.
Although I do not intend for Cyrax to become a head for somebody else, I would prefer more that he become a weapon of some sort (maybe a laser pistol?).

As for his placement, maybe he could be a second-in-command for whoever directs all Special Forces activity.

hmmm.if jax does die and sonya too,who would take their place as special forces leader?

i think cyrax is the third in command

I don't think you quite understand. The Special Forces is a division of the United States Army. It's not like some kind of warrior clan in which there's a particular leader or something. Jax is higher ranked than Sonya is, but either way, neither of them are the leaders of the Special Forces. That doesn't make any sense at all. And then we have Cyrax, whose rank we do know of.

Cyrax is an anonymous character who allies with some other kombatants temporarily.In his MKDA bio he allied with Nitara so he could go back to Earthrealm.Cyrax doesn't stick much with his team so he wouldn't be considered leader or in fact not even a high ranked recruit at all.Him and the SF don't really stick together.If he gets is a high ranked person in the SF then I want to see something happening with him capturing some bad guys.

he is part of the SF.
and he is the highest rank after jax and sonya,whcich are the "leaders" (or top ranked ones).
if they both die,cyrax is the third,so he can be the "leader" or highest in command.
in other words he won't take orders,he'll give 'em.
is my point clear?

That's not true. Cyrax was simply stranded in Outworld, because Reptile destroyed his arm panel, making him unable to go back to Earthrealm. That's why he agreed to help Nitara get the orb that bound Vaeternus to Outworld.



Yes, I know that Cyrax is part of the Special Forces. We don't know what his rank is. I just realized that in my previous post, I put "do" when I meant to put "don't", so that's my mistake. Jax and Sonya are not the leaders of the Special Forces. Jax is a Major and Sonya is a Lieutenant (never specified if she's a 1st or 2nd Lieutenant), so they aren't the highest in command. And besides, the President of the U.S. is the Commander in Chief, so where the hell did you get the idea that Sonya and Jax are the leaders of the Special Forces, especially considering their ranks?

So no, your point isn't clear, because you don't know what the hell you're talking about.