So it's ok to start 500 threads about Khmeleon.
It's ok to go crazy when Motaro was not confirmed.
It's ok to cry for more fatalitys
But when there are 2, maybe 3 threads about gameply, with valid arguments on why it's lacking, scrubs are coming from everywhere and say we cry and moan.
So just to let you all know, we have been fans of mk probably much longer than you. We know much more about the fighting part in a fighting game and we will bitch as much as we want.

i lol'd at the new title. and yes everyone has the right to bitch and moan all they want as long as it doesn't go overboard and everyone starts bashing eachother.
From what i am seeing, alot of people are are going by this.
people bitching and moaning = evil
people praising MK and says nothing wrong with it = good
people think that MK is alright the way it is but respect people for trying to improve it = neutral
^^this is what i am seeing so far. And alot of newbs with under 100 visits are falling under the 2nd catogory.

I personally think people who don't know what they're talking about should shut the fuck up.
These people include...
- People who don't know anything about fighting games(GAMEPLAY)
- People who only care about cosmetics(fatalities,characters,story)
- People who don't play this game COMPETETIVELY ONLINE
If people can do this then we'd have less problems. It's bad enough morons flood this forum with "OMG MOTARO IS BACK" threads as it is.

WOW, just when your thought this thread was DEAD. lol

I'm all for gameplay debates but which genius brought this back from the grave?

lol i was wondering the same thing!

Who cares, at least this one is interesting. (to me)
I'd rather read this thread than the ones having nothing to do with game play.

I'm both of those, as well.
What I don't get is, why the HELL do people think a fighting game cannot have both a balanced fighting system AND the blood, gore, and fatalities?! Why do they seem to bitch as if it's one or the other (and this attitude is coming mostly, if not exclusively, from the MK fanboys who think MK is bad if it's remotely anything like Tekken, VF, SC, etc.) Also, why do people think MK is "fun" when the absolute main part of the game, the fighting engine, is BROKEN?! How can it be fun if it's BROKEN?! Please, explain that to me, fanboys (you all know who you are).
Now, if we had MK with really BALANCED fighting engine and all the blood, gore, fatalities, etc., it would STILL be MK, because it would still have all the violence, blood, gore, fatalities, killing, etc., but would actually have a legitimate shot at competing with games like Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, etc., because it would have the balanced fighting engine to do so, which is what typical fighting game fans want. And the blood alone is enough to differentiate MK and the rest of the fighting games that are popular right now. So again, why can't we have a BALANCED ENGINE AND THE BLOOD, GORE, AND FATALITIES?! Explain that, fanboys.
And, I think those who are bashing us for bashing this game before it's even released, or without playing it first, need to open their eyes to the fact that we HAVE played this game, by virtue of playing two others with the same fighting engine, and said fighting engine is BROKEN! Around the time MKDA was released, the ones who knew the fighting engine was broken and did not like the gameplay were the bare minority of users on MKO, while the ones who bitched about not enough fatalities, their favorite characters not being included, etc. were the majority on MKO. Back then, there were more of you then there were of me. Now, the game being online totally turned the tables and exposed people to how horribly FUCKED MKD's engine is. This time, fanboys, there are more of me than there are of you on MKO. There are more people who actually CARE about the fighting engine than there are people who only care about the cosmetics and cheap-ass gimmicks. And according to most of the staff on this site, the MK Development team visits this site a lot, and the fact that the "fighting game purists" (as I call the people who actually care about the fighting engine) were of the bare minority on MKO pretty much played a role in the fighting engine staying the same, not being tested for glitch throws/combos, etc. This time, however, the fighting game purists are of the majority on MKO, and yet, ideas from the fanboys (the bare minority on this site) are still being taken over the ideas from the fighting game purists. What that tells me is that the MK Development team has a bias on which fan ideas they impliment in MK games. Then again, Midway has had their own forums for about six or so months now. I'm fairly certain the fanboys are the majority on that forum, but I could be wrong (I haven't been on those forums for a while), so the development team could be taking ideas from there. (On another note, remember when I said "there are more of me than there are of you?" (obviously directed to the fanboys) Well, I used to be one of you when I joined this site back when the announcement of MKD being under development was made: I, too, wanted certain characters in MKD. I, too, bitched about people bitching about the game before it's even released, or bitching about people bitching about a game they haven't played. Then, when MKD was released, I played it online, and noticed the gameplay flaws almost immediately, and that flip-flopped my opinion about MKDA/MKD.)

all mkd needed to was get rid of was throws, now theyve made it even worse by adding parrys

No, unless fireballs are made unblockable, throws need to be in there and be unblockable. It’s necessary to punish blocking.
They just need to have an escape option.
There's a lot more stuff to fix, but that one thing would help a lot.

How i the world will parries make the game worse? I can't tell you how thrilled I will be to parry Bo Rai Cho's b.s. weapon and make him eat a few combos or throws. Parries on wake up will be a dream come true. What's really broken is Dairou. They do need to fix his Tomb Stone Drop and give it some lag before and after he excecutes it. He does not need to combo off of an unblockable hit that hit's you anywhere on screen. Parries won't save you from Dairou unless they balance his T/S drop.
Peace

most of the mk fans that come here are just kids. they dont care about gameplay. its not like this site (or any other mk site for that matter) is king shit and everyone that playes mk comes here. most of my friends never come here. and i dont blame them. hell, i left for almost 2 years. and now that im around more, i dont post that often, cause nothing interesting is being discussed...unless you find chameleon interesting.
most of the people here (and the ppl that buy mk) dont care. as long as the game is fun, has a lot of characters, unlockables, etc. then theyll buy it, and the general gamer (which mk is targeted towards) will also.
everyone has every right to complain. we are the ones who pay money for it. if we fell something is right, or isnt right, we'll tell ya.
mk will never change as long as people are buying it. like someone mentioned earlier..."3 people on a message board dont speak for 3 million buyers".
unless someone actually SHOWS this to boon, its just another argurment on another internet message board, that no one will remember.
take your case to e3 and boon himself. casue doing it here is pointless and it just adds fuel to the fire.

That's exactly what's happening.
But until and after then more and more people have to be shown it here so that more people will post about it in the future so that when Boon + Co have a look at what we're posting they can see all is not well.

Malone, please tell Ed Boon to make Sub-Zero ice clone work up close like Smoke's cloud does. K? Thx :)
Anyway, I think we all need to sign up to Midway's MK forum and take all of our shit there. I think it will be more acknowledged over there than on here for some reason.

Are you ready to put up with tons more immature people writing; "FU Q U FAG, MK is Teh Graetest!"?

If our voice has a better chance of being heard then I could care less.
What morons say mean nothing. I want the people who know what they're talking about to be acknowledged so that my favorite franchise of all time can finally get on the right track.

Good.

The Midway forums are filled with casual, blood, story, mini game.... fans.
The game play discussions on there are about fatalities and stuff like that.
Last time I checked...
That's why I never go there anymore; most people don't understand and can't discuss the topic accordingly.

Hmm MK is the only game I have ever played not really for the gameplay but more for the story.Dont get me wrong i do like the game play of all the games except the MKSF game but i did like the story in that game to a point.So if MKA gameplay is just like MKD I will be happy.

Dude, how do you figure that man if you don't mind me asking Check.I love ya as you know lol.I'm just making conversation.
I think Malone and I are the only ones on this site seeing this is an improvement because MK never had a "Parry" before.
The way I see it it's better to have it there then not, then I would say we might get a Deception part 2 possibly.
But I agree with the throws, all they have to do is make the throws so that you CAN'T juggle off of them for infinites or OTG's.Make it a legit throw like oldschool MK and we will be fine IMO. I agree with you 100% man.The GC version of Deception FIXED Dairou's TS drop in two player so I have no doubt that they'll fix it(balance) it in MK:A. Dude, did you play Mk 3?Not UMK3 but MK 3.The ice clone was broken in that game, you could plant it on ANYONE at any time when even if they're blocking.You know that right?You could also do it at any time when someone is charging you and it won't automatically cancel out due to balance, unlike UMK3 through present MK games where you CAN'T do this with his clone.It cancels out up close and it you can't plant it close either like you can do with Smoke's cloud in Deception. It was just as bad as Smoke's cloud in Deception if not worse.I can show you if you wish by recording it and sending it to killer B or someone and then have them post it on here.I don't have the proper equiptment. I do it to the computer and my friends all the time.You have to time if perfectly though and it's not that easy to do but it's VERY, VERY cheesy.

Having the ability to move while holding Block might fix that problem.

Well, you aint one of those noobs, but right about the chart.
And back on topic. I've finally figured out the reason I like MK's gameplay more then Tekkens and DOA's. Dial-a-Combos. I have no idea why, but I actually like the dial-a-combos. And I hate the mid blocking. You can never get the full ocmbo in. I've never done an infinite in MKD (I know, shocking) and probably the main reason for that is because I can't play online.
Dial-a-Combos allow you to actually do the whole combo, and it doesn't take much. A two-hit combo can probably take more then a 16 hit combo. All MK needs for me to be completly happy with it is the wake-up game.

MK can keep some dial combos, to keep that full connection "look"
All you have to do is substitute the damage of 1 strong hit, with a dial combo.
Example
In Tekken Kazuya's df+2 "counter hit" extra damage, could be replaced by a 3-4 hit dial combo.
It would do the same damage, but be a cool looking replacement for the single power punch when you get a counter hit.
Or if you are powered up = auto counter hit.
The same idea can be done with throws, and throw chains.
Like King's multipart throws, could be replaced by a series of dial combos for a kung fu or karate fighter.
There are more ways to keep dial combos and have them work will with the system.
Like a replacement for juggles.
You can do a pop up attack, which leads to a juggle.
Or You can do a dial combo off the first hit. Before the pop up connects, press the next button of the dial combo. The launch will not happen.
It doesn't even have to be launchers, it could be Med attacks, or some other high or low attack.

But wouldn't that kind of break the game in other ways? I haven't thought about it much though.

How would it?
I was thinking of having it so you can walk back and forward while blocking.
In SC2, you can walk back and forward while holding block.