I noticed in one of the recent vids there were actually some sort of tech rolling going on... I hardly think there's a full-fledged wakeup system, though.

The same could've been said about MKD, but look how that turned out.

That's not part of the fighting engine. That is konquest's fighting mechanics. The actual fighting is what this thread is about.

MKD wake up game vid
heres a vid showing how MKD wake up game looks like, when and when you cant wake up..
MKD has tech rolls and a quick recover, they just cant be done when planted . watch the vid.

I'm taking that video to the show too danadbab! They will learn the truth about this game.

lol pretty good video

theres even more crap i gotta cap..
like high attacks hitting mid when their foe gets up and block ducks..
every character has em. they work offline as well as online. :-X ill do that vid before you go to E3..

Sure, let me know when it's ready and I'll save it on my HD.
Peace

Haha, yeah, everytime I see that crap I laugh. Sht is so fucked up.
Thanks for the community love, Dan and Malone. :thumbs up:

I really hope Malone can make a difference like he did for Deception.

What did he do for deception?

great video Dan!

at E3 i guess throws were blockable. he stressed to boon to make them unblockable.. i could be wrong tho...

i hope someone makes a vid of all the gameplay problems in mkd and takes it to e3 to show boon.

Oh...
I guess he might have forgotten to mention escapes as a replacement for blocking.
"slaps forehead"
Maybe next time someone goes to talk to Ed, they should explain the ideas in detail.
Explain even the obvious.

I think its painfully clear that this is necessary. You can't go to Boon and say, "Add a wakeup game", because he'll have no clue wtf you're talking about. Colguile's post on the previous page hit the nail right on the head. Boon literally does not even understand the basics.
Props to Dan and all the other vid makers who take the time to not only show MKD's flaws, but explain them. Props to Malone for taking the time to go to E3 and actually talk with the MK team about how to improve the game. Its easy for us to sit around and talk about MK's problems and how to fix them. These guys are doing something about it.

Holy shit!! That sig is fucking awsome!!! That's going to go down in MKO sig history. razorxz is Godly.

Throws weren't broken in MKD, so in a sense, escapes are not absolutely neccessary.
If all throws had the same properties as Sub-Zero's,Ermac's,Li Mei's,etc(chars who's throw does not launch on hit or lead to infinites) then they would not be as broken.
Knowing Midway, if throw escapes are implimented then throws would be almost completely useless at the highest level. Why? Because there is no way in hell Midway is going to give each character 2 throws. They didn't do it with a 24 man roster, and they will not do it with a 60+ roster. Because of this, if throws have an escape button it will more than likely be 1 escape for all throws.
Malone should emphasize wake up and glitches. I think throw breaks should take a back seat.

Yes bleed, myself and a few others got the MK Team to make the throws unblockable at the 2004 E3. We told them how rediculous it was and how the opponent could simply turtle their way to victory in some cases.
I plan on marching into that exhibit area, most likely the same one they use every year with the dumb-ass security check before you go in, and delivering the vids from danadbab as well as really explaining to them how they can fix these issues based on the feedback from this thread. (Off topic: They were the only ehibitor with a security check at their ehibit...go figure?).
The team is very open to suggestion at the E3 show. The games are on display for consumer feed back and improvements can be made in a short time before a games release. Just look at Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter on the 360. That game was CRAP at the show last year! Now it's godlike because of the feedback they received from the show.
Versatile:
About throws being usless at high level due to only one type of throw and throw breaks.... You don't need two types of throws for a throw break sytem to work for you. You only need to program the game to give the player who is being thrown a short window of time to break the throw, if he knows it's comming just like Street Fighter III 3rd Strike. People get thrown all the time in 3rd Strike and there is only one way to execute the throw escape for both types of throws each character has. You have to anticipate it in order to break it, just like parrying.
If you think a throw is comming and you guess wrong, you eat a combo. In short Vers, the throw break will not hurt the game, it will fix many things wrong with it. Players will no longer be able to repeatedly throw you to perform an infinite, and the characters can still keep the current throw they have. Wish me luck guys.
Peace

You're right, 3S's throw system was fine and there was only one throw escape. I didn't think of 2D fighters when I posted that.
WHat exactly do you plan on talking to them about outside of giving them the vids that Dan worked on?
Before going to E3 I would suggest Dan explaining in more detail in the videos. I'm not trying to be picky, but I believe you guys are overestimating's Ed Boon's knowledge of fighting games and MK in general. Ed Boon does not know 85% of the things that go on in a high level fight of MKD.
Before showing him the videos perhaps a detailed description of what free throws,plants,infinites,block stuns,etc are so he can understand it more easily.
I would be more than willing to help Dan in any way possible, but I cannot record.

the videos all have text in them..
and OMG i for got about block stuns i didnt put them in the vids.. shoot. those will go in a misc vid then
my god there are so many different glitches w/ this game :-X
Konqrr and i should have the thread posted w/ in days..
what cracks me up the most about these people bashing us about bashing mk. is that we more then likly have played the game 100 x's more so then the folks that bash us for bashing mk.
us folks that actually still play the game have a right to bitch moan and groan.
WE ARE THE TRUE FANS OF MK!!

Hopefully, you guys have already though of putting it all on a disc, with the vids, and some written documents.
suggestions on how to fix stuff, and explanations on why they need fixing.
Give it to them, so they have it on hand to work with.

I think Saty's got a point about not necessarily needing a wakeup game by simply adding options to the current tech roll. They could go with an even simpler move, by making planted bodies track in the same way a launched body tracks.
If you do a single launch attack (that doesnt plant of course), side step back and forth and you'll see the feet or head follow the direction you're stepping. If a planted body mysteriously spun like this, there would be NO FREE THROWS.
Anywho, i like the quick recovery game in Mk-D... It's likely more than anything we would actually get in a future mk wakeup game.
peace

I agree well done!

I agree he is densethis is too the first ever message btw