Ed Boon won't fix it and we will all buy the game anyway and play with the broken gameplay online for months and expect MK8 to be better when it will be even worse despise the fact that we all spend our time making threads about how crappy the gameplay is. Then Ed Boon will talk about how MK is a success and why he doesn't need to improve the gameplay since it is outselling all the other fighters in the US
Why? Why?

Because we love MK a little too much. Fucking Boon! The fucker knew what he was doing when he started the series!

god these threads scare me.....
reality is, if any big changes are implemented...it's gonna be next gen(which they probubly should've made the jump this year anyway) bottom line....we're still seven months out, at this point anything can happen. i'm never one to say "it's not out yet so quit you're bitchin" but i will say "scream, holler, yell, tear walls down!!!! if revolution is the only thing midway can understand then revolution is what they'll get!
the only thing we can hope is that are opinions aren't falling on deaf(or for that matter unresponsive) ears
lol...who knows one day they may pay attention.

you do know another meaning of revolution is to begin again from the start....that would put us right where we are now.
but yeah, i like the gameplay, i try not to over analyze it so i just enjoy it a little more.
i mean yeah obviously there are flaws in the mechanics and there are some balancing issues but MK:DA-MK:A are solid fighting games...there not like but it is one of the best fighting series out at the moment.

It sounds like MK4 in how the combos would be highly customizable.
MK4's combos were similar to the ground combat in MKSM.
You could string any order of attacks in to fireballs or launchers.
They were still dial combos though, mostly unbreakable, and almost everybody had the same exact moves like in the 2D games.
You could do HP, HP, HK, b+LK = elbow, elbow, knee, sweep.
The sweep was blockable.
You couldn’t do combos unless you connect with the first hit, like in MK3.
I actually enjoyed playing MK4. It was still crap because it didn’t have much logic like the current games, but I enjoyed the freedom in the combos. It was better than having a set number of dial combos.
The custom combos are cool to have, they give the player a lot of freedom.
They just can't be totally free, because then you get infinites and relaunchers like you said.
Long or more damaging ones should also have break or block points, to avoid the dial combo problems of the current MK games.

oracle...haha..i honestly feel the same way...i was just playing devils advocate to the people the hate the engine

Now this is a great post. To the blind sheep of this board who blindly follow MK and love it regardless of how factually shitty it, how can you argue this post? There's been gameplay threads here for years now and magically the MK team misses them. They see everything else apparently but not gameplay threads. Face it, the MK team is TRASH and probably don't even understand wtf we're talking about anyway. Anyone out there who thinks it's going to be a great game, why? How? It's the same crappy engine. I agree with Saty. It's so butchered down to simplicity that it doesn't even make any sense. Simplicity is awesome. Making sense is awesome. MK doesn't make sense. And the Dev team doesn't care about fixing their mistakes. How people can still blindly follow them and give them the benefit of the doubt each time out is beyond my comprehension. Watch the videos again people. IT'S THE SAME SHITTY GAMEPLAY AS BEFORE. The parry system will not matter. It didn't in MKDA and it's the same f'n thing. Oh joy you can parry mid air combo. Wow, feel the depth. It's still going to come down to over powered combos that'll avoid any parry. And you more than likely won't be able to parry mid combo ground combos. Making the air game completely worthless and right back to MKD territory. Speaking of air game, without a decent wall game, what's an air game going to accomplish besides show? It doesn't look like there's any freedom to them so set ups and traps won't come off them. Someone want to explain the hype for air combat again? I was looking forward to it until I saw the videos and realized it's just more dial-a-combo BS.
MK is a garage game with a million dollar budget. They don't even spend a nickle of that budget on gameplay. I won't spend a nickle on them anymore either.

I seriously hope that the MK team is hiding info about the gameplay. But they are probably gonna mess up what they are hiding if they do add more features. Like a wake-up game with no ground attacks and no rolling, or having the ability to do the useless breakers when you are lying on the ground.

I'm going to bed soon, but before I do, I want you guys to see this: http://gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2464
It's also in another thread just made. Look out for the part where Boon announces that the gameplay is "Alot more Rock, Paper, Scissors"
Boon has clearly lost the plot...

Wow, after viewing that isht, Ed Boon might just end up like the person in your sig at this rate. I am starting to think these gameplay issues is not really his fault....
For those who still don't understand, the below post that I am quoting should be read, ignorance hidden behind the false jurisdiction of opinion must be expelled by fact.

A garbage game that's more legendary then your tekken bro, you can mock Deception's gameplay, MK:DA's but not the likes of MK, MK2, MK3 and UMK3 no matter what you say.If you don't want to spend a nickle on MK anymore then why claim to be a fan of the series?Why post on MKA threads?Why discuss it on a fan based site if you're going to bash the hell out of it even if it is perfect which no game is btw.
Games like MK2 and SF II are up there when you mention fighting games in general even though SF is dead it's still a million times better then Tekken, DOA at least in my opinion and in the general public I believe.Whenever I ask anyone in general, people mention the likes of games like MK 2, SF II, MK3, SF alpha series a hell of a lot more then Tekken, DOA , SC series.Hell, people talk about KI more then them at least from my past experience.
I love it how everyone has MK 7 trashed already yet, the games not out.I'll stop with that comment because that won't get through a lot in this thread but there are the users in here that understand that point at least while respecting users views like mine, while others don't.
The parry introductiong is a new feature that looks like the reversal in MK:DA but is not.We are going by a teaser many, many months before the actual release date keep in mind and won't know exactly how it plays.
It might look bad, yet play like a gem.We don't know yet for sure for the millionth time.
I know I'm outnumbered when it comes to pointless threads like this anyway, but there ARE the people in here that do agree with me so at least it's not myself vs the world when it comes to MK or I should say "general fighter fans" not diehard MK fans.I can see if it's constructive criticism but this thread is far, far from that.Bleed seems to do it in a NONE bashing matter unlike a lot in here which is what annoys other MK fans like myself to read over and over and over again.It's to the point where ok already we get your point can you shut up please.
It's funny how some claim that boon is dumb, doesn't care and so forth but if you really cared THAT MUCH about MK's gameplay you would write to Midway yourself, instead of depending on a "supposed best MK site" and assume that since it's MKO that Boon's crew will see it.
Are you aware of how many MK sites there are?If I were him, I would read ALL of them to the best I could, not just this one.
Seriously, some of you people in here should write to midway directly, make it an effort instead of posting these lame MK's gonna suck thread, I'm sure that's great motivation right there.
Don't like something say it sucks, that will work...... lol.Really now? Come on already.At this point, I say wait untilt the game comes out to judge it or just don't buy the game at all.Like Garlador and others said before me.GO buy your tekken with no online play, your SC, DOA's whatever.Don't buy MK because it's crap in your eyes.It's only logical.
Now, for bleed.That point you made concerning Garladors point, I have a little to comment about that.I like your points, I just have something to add to that a little.
Bleed you raise good points countering Garlador's points, but I have to disagree with you a little bit concerning some of the art points.
You see, I'm an artist, as you can see I enjoy sculpting.My first sculpture was a joke bro, now totally different story.I'm not the best sculptor in the world by any means, but lots of people on this site have PMed me asking if I really made the Sektor Sculpture.I say yes, it's not a figure like some believe it is, I made it from scratch and despite how others feel either way, I'm satisfied with it because I know that deep within myself it's HARD WORK that payed off.
Same thing with Boon, some of you guys make it sound like the guy doesn't give a shit.That's BS, sorry but I have to say it.If he honestly didn't give a rats ass about us MK fans or the series for that matter, then why is he still making MK games at all?So, this is for the hard asses out there that can't think of any good threads other then an MK sucks royally thread that invites pointless banter.So, once again why is Boon still making MK games then if he didn't care?
Let me guess, for profit? right.Well, if you say profit that's an interesting concept considering the fact that every time there's a sales thread concerning fighters MK is poor according to some of the users in here, so I guess the whole profit claim went right out the window.
Ummmm, because he's bored.Well, Midway has new games coming out, they can make new fighters, new games yet would rather concentrate on MK for a reason.So, no that's not it either.
To try to have something to prove?Nope, sorry people but Boon proved himself with titles such as MK, MK2, MK3 and UMK3.Care to argue how those games suck?Let me guess, no parry LMAO even though MK's comp at the time of MK2 didn't have all this fancy technical shit such as parries, wake up game, throw escapes, frame issues, etc.
Ok, we had back then MK 2, SF II, KI, Tekken.WOW!!One game out of 4 had some of these elements that the other 3 didn't have yet were still great games.
*long, long sigh* WOW, threads like these are like the movie Groundhogs Day with Bill Murray lol.Just when you thought the it was over, the same thing happens again and again lol.
Bottom line is this people, once MK:A comes out rent it, play it then judge it for sure.If you find yourself NOT pleased with it toss it away, trade it in for credit, play another fighter but don't judge a book by it's cover and ruin it for all the other MK fans out there.
I swear, some people are bored and just figure hhhmmm no good threads, everything is positive about MK so I'll make a MK sucks thread this way all the Anti-MK fans, Tekken fans or gameplay obsessed fans can post and piss everyone off hehe.
Ok, then perhaps it's time there's a counter to this thread.Perhaps we shall see which group of fans is more overpowering.
Game on.

OK, here is a counter to your counter of my counter
I think the MK team is working hard trying to do their best, and it's not easy.
But think about this for a sec.
If the understanding of the subject is lacking in detail, their efforts will be in vain.
In other words, if they don't know enough about the subject at hand, they don't have the knowledge, or understanding to create it "well" in the first place.
We've seen their lack of understanding from their past hard work.
This has also been reiterated in the latest interviews and game play footage.
I think they can pull it off eventually, cause as they create the new games, their understanding of the fighting mechanics will advance.
It'll take a few years though, and new employees at least for game play design and testing.
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I’ve sent e-mails to Midway 2 times. Talking about game play and what not.
Nothing’s come of it...
First time, they said they couldn’t read my ideas, and the 2nd time about a year later, they didn’t reply.
Oh well....
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About game play threads.
People usually post game play critiques after viewing something that they like or don't like in the game play footage. People notice the details and can post about it, whether it be good or bad.
unfortunately, there are a lot more bad things in it than good.
It's the same with story fans, fatality fans etc.
People want the things they look for in a fighting game to be the best they can be. If they aren't, then they express their concerns and opinions.

MKF,logic and common sense have never been your strongest points.
Stop bringing up excuses for MK:DA and MK:D by mentioning how great UMK:3 was.It doesn't matter anymore.
Since then,fighting games have evloved gameplay wise (and you'd expect that from the MK series as well),but no.Instead,we get MUCH worse games than UMK:3.If you look at it,almost all 3D fighting games that are played today have gotten much better than their latest instalments except Mortal Kombat,which,in fact,actually takes a step BACK.
Why?Because Boon doesn't care.I'm sure if he really wanted to he could make a decent 3D fighting MK game.The competitive crowd has given him the information and sources on how to do it,but judging MK:A so far,he simply did not give a fuck yet again.

I'm guessing he might not care about game play so much, cause he's not that in to it.
Reminds me of the casual gamers on this site that hate the other games, or think MK is a better fighter cause they don't have fatalities, blood, dial combos etc. Or cause it seems too complicated for them.
No matter how much you tell a lot of these people facts about game play, they don't get it, or care for that matter.

You're blinded by arrogance just like 1 Tru King Dave, no offense.It's not appealing at all bro. Also, please don't lecture me about common sense and logic when you write things that only contradict yourself such as this above ^. First you say, I too will wait until the game comes out until you make any FINAL judgements, then later on you write this. Damn, this seems like MK:D all over again.Thus, Boon=moron. I thought you just said that you wouldn't judge it yet, then you say that?Sounds like you judged already to me.If you didn't have the game judged already you wouldn't say things like that. Thus, Dave=Hypocrite/Perfectionist.

That Sektor sculpture is pretty cool btw.
You did a good job on it.

It's definitely a vicious cycle. It's hard to know that you won't be able to get your hopes up about MK until next-gen and they're wasting time creating another rehash of the same system with currently no fixes seen and potential for more dial-a-combos and infinites. In my opinion, they should have just went to designing a new engine or at least fixing stuff already inside rather than adding new mechanical elements that could hurt the game.
MK's current mechanics, as many have pointed out, is fundamentally flawed.
We really don't have a choice in the matter except to swallow this game and wait another 2 years for a potentially decent one. So what does that make it? About 3 years from now, we'll be able to be excited for another MK, hopefully one that isn't bad.
Also, I really enjoy the fact that the MK team constantly says they read forums and talk about the "fans" demands, much like everyone else has said here, when the gameplay threads have a billion replies and stickies throughout different boards.
Anyways, at least we have a lot of good games out that are new and need a lot of learning, practice, strategizing, and depth out. In the arcades Im currently playing KOF XI, T5DR, GGSlash. KOFXI has a badass combo and team system. T5DR has many character changes as well as several new characters and some mechanical changes from T5.1. And Slash, well Slash is just badass. At home, the best contender for my time right now is DOA4, that game is great, has a lot of stuff to learn. DOA4 is a step above previous DOAs and there are many many sweet setups into forced techrolls and offensive holds you can do in that game.

I recently bought a used PSP just so I can play T5DR.
It's going to end up costing me around $300 to get that game in my hands.
But it's worth it IMO, I love that game.
I have to drive around 2 hours to play T5DR at an arcade in Chicago.
I got Street fighter Alpha 3 Max to play in the mean time.
[ rambling/ ]

Yeah Bleed, T5DR is great.
You kinda take fighting games for granted for awhile and lose focus of simple elegant things over advanced things that new iterations present. I mean we all talk about how cool new tech traps and can be done when a new Tekken is out or how to use X and Y mechanic.
But MK makes you value what other fighters have more that makes the core of their games. Smart usage of frame advantage, good animation, lots of move properties, a CH system, a wakeup game, throw escapes, good movement games, string mixups, decent testing, lack of many infinites, etc. it is so common place that you would never consider these things as a prominent problem in any of the fighting games released in the past 7-8 years.
Yet in MK, we are still praying for these basics which has been established in the first iterations of other franchises and hoping that they will eventually come. It's good to reflect that that one shouldn't take the simple things for granted.
Oh yeah, if anyone is still over the fence about getting a 360 and getting DOA4, Tragic (if you know fighting games you know who Ben is =P) has posted a system breakdown one of the subforums of a site him and Juni opened called DOALive: http://www.doalive.com/forums/index.php/board,32.0.html . DOA4 is definitely good and well worth your time.

Why are you saying the gameplay is horrorable when the product isn't even finished yet!?
Just wait until the games out, to spam "This game sucks additude"
Like they said in one of the interviews, the're constantly tweeking, to make sure the gameplay is balanced.

indeed we are, but as long as only one of us still stands. We are LEGION.

As someone else already said, were going by track record. DA and Deception were crap, this game uses the same engine, so it's not a great leap of imagination to guess that MKA will be crap as well.

Vasculio, we brought these issues up during MKDA and they said the same thing about MKD. The only thing we got was a bandaid mechanic breaker system and unbreakable throws that caused all those major problems after a year of "don't judge a game before its released." No one here is passing real judgement, we're just saying that the possibility of MKA being good is close to none.

For the love of God, don't apply Kain quotes to MKA fanboys.

I'm glad somebody else here got that, reguardless of the fascist remark.