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03/29/2007 04:08 AM (UTC)
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Edit. Sorry.
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03/29/2007 04:18 AM (UTC)
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tgrant Wrote:

Oh, well-then yea, I agree. Cuz I was wondering just how the hell they were gonna get rid of all these characters. When they didn't confirm Raiden and Kangs' corpse as having a responsibility in the death of certain characters...I was like: "Now What?" I thought Raiden and Kang were gonna put everybody to sleep. lol

But yea, that list is pretty damn big. Maybe there's still a chance the Raiden//Kang combo will take out a chain of the other "Threats to EarthRealm" on the roster...heheh....

=========================UpDate=========================== O.k. so, more like this then?:

1. Shang Tsung
2. Goro
3. Kintaro
4. Kitana(maybe, but not likely)
5. Mileena(most likely not...she has no soul to bind)
6. Jade
7. Khameleon
8. Baraka
9. Kano
10. Reptile
11. Rain(he is a demi-god, any binding loyalty to Kahn might not stick)
12. Chameleon
13. Sindel(depends on the control he had over her..)
14. Sheeva
15. Reiko
16. Motaro

Kahn would be #17 in this case then...

Ermac is off the list because he is just a creation, then later released of his alignment with Kahn. Tanya is off because I was simply incorrect, she has no tie to Kahn. If that whole list is agreeable, the Saurian(reptilian race) is in trouble..heheh..

Hey I gotta question or two then, where is Jarek in all this? Just a Black Dragon member? And does Kanos' ties to Kahn include the entire Black Dragon clan or not when he was a general in Kahns' army? Cuz if it does...more characters could be in danger if Kahn goes ka-put...

Another thing, none of the cyborgs have any ties right? For the most part they're simply programed per mission right?

Just covering all the bases here...
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03/29/2007 04:30 AM (UTC)
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ThePredator151 Wrote:
O.k. so, more like this then?:

1. Shang Tsung
2. Goro
3. Kintaro
4. Kitana(maybe, but not likely)
5. Mileena(most likely not...she has no soul to bind)
6. Jade
7. Khameleon
8. Baraka
9. Kano
10. Reptile
11. Rain(he is a demi-god, any binding loyalty to Kahn might not stick)
12. Chameleon
13. Sindel(depends on the control he had over her..)
14. Sheeva
15. Reiko
16. Motaro

Kahn would be #17 in this case then...

Ermac is off the list because he is just a creation, then later released of his alignment with Kahn. Tanya is off because I was simply incorrect, she has no tie to Kahn. If that whole list is agreeable, the Saurian(reptilian race) is in trouble..heheh..

Hey I gotta question or two then, where is Jarek in all this? Just a Black Dragon member? And does Kanos' ties to Kahn include the entire Black Dragon clan or not when he was a general in Kahns' army? Cuz if it does...more characters could be in danger if Kahn goes ka-put...

Another thing, none of the cyborgs have any ties right? For the most part they're simply programed per mission right?

Just covering all the bases here...


Mileena has a soul, that has been confirmed in the past. Her MKU bio states her soul went to the Netherrealm where she was reborned.

Sindel might had done it considering she came back to serve Kahn (though under dark magic) during Mk3. Kitana might had done it as well since she was loyal to him for many years.

I think only Kano counts, not the entire clan since they have nothing to do with him. And Jarek has no role with kahn.

Good stuff.
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03/29/2007 04:40 AM (UTC)
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Oh, alright then...Depending on what happends and all the info/input I get, I'll probably update the list per page or something. Just looking at it I can see some "constants", and that was the pupose of the list in the first place.
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03/29/2007 05:06 AM (UTC)
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When will we ever get another bio from a female? Its been ages and so far we only got Sareena first as the new comer and Sonya at lucky number seven.


Hmmmm.....I honestly have mixed feelings about this bio.

I cant say I love it, which sucks because Shang Tsung is one of my top favorite characters and a true classic and icon of Mk.

The Positive

- It explains how Shang Tsung returns.
- The vow really adds suspense and interest to the storyline.
- Now we learn the possibility of Raydens radical change. His soul got mixed with the other two (why didn’t he say anything about this fight in his bio?).
- The mutilated grotesque bit about his body rocks! Probably the best of his bio.
- He killed Li Meis innocent people to get his original body.

The Negative

- The vow might rock for suspense, but if all who served him really will die because they promised loyalty to him...well, kind of a sucky ending for many characters.
- Shang Tsung working for Kahn....again. Its just.....so uninspired and really gets boring to read. Its like all the bios stating that X character is visited by Quan Chi to serve Shinnok....
- Kahn acting like he doesn’t care (hopefully that’s not the case and he is not aware of what really happened) about Shang tricking him. Now that’s stupid and really irritating. Hopefully Kahn doesn’t know it was Shang who killed the clone.
- For some reason, it doesn’t feel like its Shang Tsung who is speaking. Like, in Sonyas and Johnnys bios you really feel their essence, you really feel its them who are talking to you, their personalities. This Shang Tsung doesn’t sound that evil or mysterious.
- So they all go marching to the Edenian forces like a happy couple of 3 strange monsters, kill some people and Kahn seats on a throne....thats how he becomes Emperor again?......Not likely really. He can seat there all he wants, doesn’t mean he has gotten the power back. Not so good.

Overall, this bio is disappointing for Shang Tsung fans who expected cool things from the sorcerer. Its not bad, not at all, and I don’t think it was badly written either (though I understand what the other people are talking about), but it does lack that certain depth and essence that made Shang Tsung such an awesome deadly character.

Its disappointing, but its not that bad. Sucks we didn’t get something more powerful and interesting about Shang Tsung. What irks me the most is that he is working for Kahn again.

The whole circle of killing an enemy, and not really killing it and that enemy that never really died wants to be friends again sucks horribly and it has been used way too many times.

I still feel Jarek is the one who really got tossed off the cliff.

tgrant Wrote:
I removed Sindel also. She was resurrected and as far as we know, nothing more. It'd be an interesting twist if she did under the influence of the resurrection though.
Kitana isn't in there either as she always hated Kahn for the death of her mother. As for Ermac, though freed of Kahn's control over him, I wouldn't be 100% about being freed from the vow.


Sindel could had made the vow since she did marry him and became his Queen, even knowing it was Kahn who killed Jerrod and even though she hated him. If she married Kahn by fear and fright, why not take the vow as well?

Now MK3 comes to mind and seems to be tying a little part of that story. She was resurrected by Shang Tsung and his sorcerers, tricked to be evil, but she came back after death...to serve Kahn. Maybe Sindel did take the vow.

Kitana fits in the list as well since she originally served Kahn and gladly fought for him. She didn’t always hate Kahn, on the contrary, remember that it was only in the end of MK2 that she found the truth about her past, thousands of years after her servitude.

So it means more then 10 main characters would die because of that vow....kind of sucks imo, just feels a bit too much, though I must admit the suspense of knowing what happens and to who does the vow really apply rocks. What sucks though, is that they would all just drop dead because of it.

Planche Wrote:
Hmmm, going through Shao Kahn's bios and endings, nothing seems to indicate that he even knew about Shang Tsung and Quan Chi killing his clone. Which would easily explain why he gave Shang back a body so readily.

Shao Kahn more than likely realised his clone had been killed since Edenian forces occupied his stronghold, and probably figured it was the Edenians who took care of his clone, thus removing any suspicion of Shang, at least for the time being.



Hopefully all that is true. Im guessing that’s what really happened since it would be and sounds utterly stupid for Kahn to resurrect the sorcerer and be all happy about it without considering the fact that it was him who betrayed and “killed” him.

Maybe Kahn doesn’t have a clue about who killed his clone.

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LOL@ the people who think it's a 1st grade level bio....*long sigh* honestly for the people that rip every bio...answer this can YOU write us a better one?I think not...


You know I have nothing against you MKF smile, but what makes you think others cant handle the art of writing? There are actually many great writers around and people who have studied and carried literature and the art of speaking and language in a high position, you know? Maybe even at professional standards.

So to answer your question, yeah, I think many could do better. But hey, Im not complaining. I love Vogel for doing what he is doing and so far, to me, no bio has felt like it was written by a seven year old (or whatever they say now), that’s exaggerated. Vogel is doing a great job and most of us truly appreciate his work.

Vogel YOU ROCK!!!! (just please don’t mess up any bios like you did with Jareks)

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I'm just curious, why is Shang Tsung's body not "mutilated" in MK:A? (Aside from developer laziness). He looks the same to me. I wonder if Meat will have any connection to the body that Tsung now occupies?

Also MK:O again: This is the 12th bio, not the 11th. This is the second straight miscount you guys have made.


Shang Tsung is not “mutilated” in MKA because ethe bio states that Shang Tsung got his original body back after killing Li Meis innocent people and eating their souls.

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For all of the people complaining about "yet another resurrection": May I ask what do you want from the MK team? The characters died off. We actually saw Shang, Quan, and Raiden get destroyed in the blast. Raiden's Deception bio confirms that, if I'm not mistaken. So what do you want them to do?

"I thought Raiden's blast had destroyed us all. I was wrong. When I came to, I'd discovered that I'd rematerialized in in the lower bowel of an African elephant, and, after hours of straining past the anus of the animal, like Jim Carey in Ace Ventura 2, was pooped out a day later.

It seems that a vow I took to the dread lord Shao Kahn over a millennium ago, bound me to my master, and seemingly fatal harm would cause me to rematerialize in the bowels of pachyderms."

If the character is dead, and you want to play as them, please, give a plausible explanation as how they return.




Honestly......With a bit of creativity and a spark of imagination, you got a bio with no resurrections! (cool, it rhymed...rolls eyes).

All you need is to be creative and play with the world you control!

Soon after understanding Raydens desire, Shang Tsung could had created some sort of mystical soul shield that would had gravely weakened him but transported him away into safety, etc etc etc.

He could even had dissolved into thin air like he loves to do, etc etc.

I guess Im not complaining about this resurrection though, because it was needed to add that spark of depth they gave the story by revealing the vow and all of that. So its cool.

But yeah, it is possible to bring back characters that are supposed to be “death” without using the resurrection bit.

And besides, they have done it in the past by retconning some stuff or changing a bit of the story for better needs.

Like Jarek, though not entirely original, his survival is much better then a resurrection. Thank God they thought of that.


YEs, but at this point, aren't people sick of retcons too?

Shang Tsung's an Outworld demon, now he's a sorceror born on Earth who betrayed Earthrealm.

Kano is tossed off of a building by Sonya(Which should have killed him), but survives long enough for Motaro rescue him.

Johnny cage is killed, then comes back, then departs again, then comes back only to find out that it never happened in the first place. These are just a few retcons, and some of them were unnecessary. The reason Jarek's retcon works is that you never see him hit the bottom of the mountain, so there is room to explain how he survived.

I don't know, I just can't find the rebirths of characters who are linked to those with supernatural powers to be that annoying or unimaginitave. If someone dies and ends up in the Netherrealm, would seem like Shinnok would be the go to guy. Kahn has resurrected Mileena in the past(though some say that was Shinnok's doing) Unless I'm mistaken, it's usually the freak shows who get resurrected in the 1st place. Oh, well. It's just a game.
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03/29/2007 05:47 AM (UTC)
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I really don't see how Shang not believing in the vow until now is silly or unbelievable.

Come on, can you really say that if you walked into a king's throne room, kneeled down, and pledged loyalty to him, that you'd walk out of that room thinking "Wow, now I can't ever kill that guy because what we just did was a totally binding magic contract and if he dies, I do too!"

I also highly doubt Kahn did this soul bind act to ALL his soldiers.

Of all the Outworld characters' backstories, It only really makes sense with Shang because Shang's Earth-born and Kahn seduced him into his service with promises of magical knowledge and power. Everyone else in Kahn's army was in his service whether they liked it or not because he conquered their worlds. Except the ones who came to him willingly like Noob Saibot and Rain, but Noob's already dead. So maybe Rain would be f*cked if Kahn died, but I highly doubt Kitana, Jade, etc. have anything to worry about.

And all you guys complaining about retcons and returns from the grave...how can you not have seen this coming? We not only saw Shang die, but when Liu and Kenshi's ancestors' souls were all freed, it was confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt. There's no "teleporting at the last second" for him, he was concretely established as destroyed. And Armageddon, a game with EVERY dead character very much alive again, has been out for half a year now! Besides, Mortal Kombat's storyline has always been like comic books, and in comics, there's nothing new about deaths being undone or about character's origins being rewritten.

In the 30's, Superman was strong and could jump high because Krypton had greater gravity. Today, he can fly and shoot lasers out of his eyes because he absorbs yellow sunlight. And kryptonite was invented by a radio show! I fail to see how Shang going from Outworld demon to Earth-traitor because of the Conquest TV show is any different.
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03/29/2007 06:38 AM (UTC)
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Because those are two different Supermen. They ended one series and then started another, where they gave him new abilities and weakened him.

It's different with Shang Tsung, because MK is an ongoing series, and the tv show should have had no affect what so ever.
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03/29/2007 08:16 AM (UTC)
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This is the best bio released so far, I can't wait for Shao Kahn's(you thought I was going to say Motaro?)


Overall I am sooooooo happy with this bio, I have mixed feelings about Tsung but this one made me respect him more as a character.

Good work Midway....Keep it up!
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03/29/2007 08:34 AM (UTC)
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For once. Im gonna have to say this bio is crap! No where does it explain why kahn went after him at the top of the pyramid. Even though it was everyone for them self these 2 didn't even work toghter in the beginning. Secondly. it don't even state anything about his confrontation with liu kang. & last but not least his so called lust over quan chi's amulet.

This bio sucked. Sorry to say.


Your asking for an explanation to things that do not even matter. At least for now. Maybe you forgot, but the bios take place before the Introduction video. So they have no reason to explain Liu and Shang's confrontation atop the pyramid. And do not forget that Shang Tsung didn't know about Kangs "ressurection", and was surprised to see him atop the pyramid.

Why would Shang Tsung and Shao Kahn even need to work together in the intro? Shao Kahns a big enough person to fend for Himself as he fights for the prize. Maybe you missed it, but Shang Tsung wanted the power to free himself from his pact with Shao Kahn. So why would he help Shao Kahn recieve the power? And why would he need to get Shinnok's Amulet if he can just get Blazes power?


Same reason kahn and goro worked toghter, same reason why him and kintaro worked toghter. For kahn it's less work.

Back to kang and tsung. This battle endured back in MKDA. So as you can see being suprised or not. It mentions nothing about the alliance made with quan chi to kill kang peroid. The fight against quan chi for his amulet took place in MKD. Now his bio say's he was told sumn or sumn by quan chi. This would be sum what hard to belive since quan beat the piss out of him before onaga walked in.

Also shang need's souls to keep youth and heal himself. Odd how after the blast his body was missing. I didn't see him open a portal. Yet in MKA he look's as young as he did in 2 games before hand. W/E let midway have they're fun.
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03/29/2007 03:04 PM (UTC)
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VENOMOUS75 Wrote:

YEs, but at this point, aren't people sick of retcons too?

Shang Tsung's an Outworld demon, now he's a sorceror born on Earth who betrayed Earthrealm.



Shang Tsung has always been from Earthrealm
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03/29/2007 03:05 PM (UTC)
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He looks young again because of the Souls he took in Li Mei's village. In MKDA and the beginning of MKD, he looks young. Almost all of the released bios take place between MKD and MKA. Because of the souls he took between MKD and MKA, he managed to make himself young again for his fight at the pyramid.
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03/29/2007 04:20 PM (UTC)
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This is the first bio which really deceives me... I don't like it at all... :/
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03/29/2007 05:19 PM (UTC)
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Shadaloo, that's just awesome (way back on page 1!).
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03/29/2007 07:10 PM (UTC)
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i wonder why goro would SLAUGHTER shao kahn in his ending, or was it kintaro
Highly interesting bio and I find it quite good.
Yeah, everyone complains about everyone dying and being resurrected, yada yada, but hey in MKA.. all characters (give or take Khameleon) are included so they have to think of something...

Besides, I find this soul bonding with Shao Khan very very intriguing, The only thing which wouldn't make sense is Shang wanting to kill his master knowing this, but as it stated perhaps he didn't believe in it (after all, Shang Tsung would know more about Sorcerery than a non sorcerer and tyrant such as Shao Khan, at least from his perspective).

Yeah, they'd definately kill off a lot of people in killing Khan. But who says that all his minions made this soul vow? To mean it would seem perfectly rational for Khan to do that with powerful people who would really resemble a threat to him (for people such as Shang Tsung, Quan Chi and Shinnok) and as for people such as Reiko, Reptile, etc... yeah he'd not exactly 'tust' them, but a soul vow.. He's surely thinking something like "I would be able to finish them off anyways".
After all, most spells are bound with a price so who knows what price that could be with Khan, so I doubt he would make that kind of a vow with everyone. It would just seem stupid to do that, especially with mortals like Kano (general or not).

I think Khan's bio will be one of the last, but I like how more boss character bios have been released lately. It gives a lot of insight into what is going on compared to meaningless bios like Jarek's.

What about Raiden.. hm.. I don't quite get this ether battle in death but I don't think it is Shang Tsung who has tainted Raiden. After all, why would he then be surprised by Zombie Lui..? He would be able to predict that.
I think Raiden might have something to do with this soul vow, but then again.. that's just a hunch of mine which could or could not be true. We shall see (in Shao Khan's bio hopefully...).

Also, about Quan Chi, I think Shang Tsung was wrong (in his bio) in thinking that Quan Chi died. He could have escaped through a portal, which actually can be seen in the MKD bio, but Shang Tsung probably thought that everyone (except for Onaga) died...
Eeeeehhhhh.....

Another mixed bag, but there's enough coolness here to offset the bits that annoy me.

Flesh pits reference; sweet! Actually makes me wonder if Meat's bio won't be a completely lame throwaway. Meat's such a blank slate of a character that I always thought there could be room to make something interesting of him (I always had a story concept myself for him, but I won't bore anyone with that here).

Soul binding pledge; a really interesting concept and by far the biggest story contribution in this bio. But it could honestly be something really cool or really inane, depending on how they use it in the future. Something tragic like what XiahouDun84 proposed regarding Kitana or Jade would be pretty sick. And I just love the concept of Kahn having his henchies literally pledge their LIVES to him. It's so in his character.

On the other hand however, as cool as the concept is, I'm not too keen on it being used as a handy excuse to wipe out most of Kahn's horde in one fell swoop, if only because for every blah throwaway minion (Motaro) you've got someone who's really genuinely interesting and cool that deserves either more character development (Reiko) or a more satisfying way to go (Baraka). Overall though it's the best thing this bio has going for it.

The worst thing it has going for it is that it's... yet ANOTHER resurrection. Now unlike many other posters here, I don't mind resurrections in and of themselves; I mean without ressurections we wouldn't have gotten the awesomeness that is Noob Saibot's kickass storyline. I only take issue with them when they're used in a blatantly ham-fisted fashion that pushes even MK's cheese limits. Best example: Shao Kahn's bio in MKD/U. WORST bio in the series period. Contrary to what some of the more ardent detractors are saying, this one's nowhere even approaching the levels of BS that Kahn's Deception bio hit, but it's not without it's issues.

On the one hand, obviously Shang Tsung had to be resurrected in some fashion; be it either escaping from Raiden's blast (like Queve suggested) or straight up returning from the dead. Neither being all THAT hard to buy what with his being a sorcerer and all.

I guess my only real beef with this bio is his being drafted back into service with Kahn yet again; maybe Kahn knows that Shang and Quan Chi tried to off him, maybe he doesn't; we won't know for sure until Kahn's bio crops up and hopefully clears that one up (I'm personally antsy for that one myself).

But either way, considering their shaky history (like Shadaloo hilariously recounted on the first page) it just somehow rings hollow. Like Vogel couldn't think of anything else to do with him, so he just stuffed him back into his old stock role as Kahn's mystic gofer, even though that's a role he arguably doesn't really fit into anymore. He's just fucked Kahn over one too many times for him to be taken seriously as someone Kahn would keep taking back into the fold. In his own way he's even more unreliable than Baraka, and that's saying a lot.

I know that Tsung was in that infamous "Legion of Doom" cutscene in Armageddon's Konquest mode, but even taking that into consideration I think it would feel far less contrived if Shang Tsung were there on his OWN behalf rather than Kahn's; if he had been resurrected via his pledge to Kahn yet had decided to strike out on his own, openly pursuing his own goals rather than feigning loyalty to Kahn while scheming behind his back like a sixteen year old attempting to sneak out of the house after midnight. And it's not like Kahn ever really took Tsung's loyalty act seriously anyhow, so it's getting tiresome and repetitive to see Tsung even bothering with the pretense. But all that is just me playing the "what if?" game.

Also, I don't find it all that unbelievable for Tsung to have not taken seriously that the pledge was THAT literal; I mean really how many times in the history of anything medieval/fantasy oriented do people pledge fealty to their leaders using phrases like "I pledge my life and soul to you" or "to my dying breath" etc. It's such an overused cliché, that I find it refreshing to not only see that Tsung recognized it as clichéd, but to see that cliché turned on it's head by such a literal meaning behind it. It's still been done before mind you, but not so much that it's a worn out concept.

All in all to sum up; I love everything except Tsung and Kahn resuming their old "master and his scheming, backstabbing second banana" bullshit. That's gotten really played out and it's way too reminiscent of Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader's relationship in Star Wars. The rest is good stuff.
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03/29/2007 08:29 PM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:
When will we ever get another bio from a female? Its been ages and so far we only got Sareena first as the new comer and Sonya at lucky number seven.


Hmmmm.....I honestly have mixed feelings about this bio.

I cant say I love it, which sucks because Shang Tsung is one of my top favorite characters and a true classic and icon of Mk.

The Positive

- It explains how Shang Tsung returns.
- The vow really adds suspense and interest to the storyline.
- Now we learn the possibility of Raydens radical change. His soul got mixed with the other two (why didn’t he say anything about this fight in his bio?).
- The mutilated grotesque bit about his body rocks! Probably the best of his bio.
- He killed Li Meis innocent people to get his original body.

The Negative

- The vow might rock for suspense, but if all who served him really will die because they promised loyalty to him...well, kind of a sucky ending for many characters.
- Shang Tsung working for Kahn....again. Its just.....so uninspired and really gets boring to read. Its like all the bios stating that X character is visited by Quan Chi to serve Shinnok....
- Kahn acting like he doesn’t care (hopefully that’s not the case and he is not aware of what really happened) about Shang tricking him. Now that’s stupid and really irritating. Hopefully Kahn doesn’t know it was Shang who killed the clone.
- For some reason, it doesn’t feel like its Shang Tsung who is speaking. Like, in Sonyas and Johnnys bios you really feel their essence, you really feel its them who are talking to you, their personalities. This Shang Tsung doesn’t sound that evil or mysterious.
- So they all go marching to the Edenian forces like a happy couple of 3 strange monsters, kill some people and Kahn seats on a throne....thats how he becomes Emperor again?......Not likely really. He can seat there all he wants, doesn’t mean he has gotten the power back. Not so good.

Overall, this bio is disappointing for Shang Tsung fans who expected cool things from the sorcerer. Its not bad, not at all, and I don’t think it was badly written either (though I understand what the other people are talking about), but it does lack that certain depth and essence that made Shang Tsung such an awesome deadly character.

Its disappointing, but its not that bad. Sucks we didn’t get something more powerful and interesting about Shang Tsung. What irks me the most is that he is working for Kahn again.

The whole circle of killing an enemy, and not really killing it and that enemy that never really died wants to be friends again sucks horribly and it has been used way too many times.

I still feel Jarek is the one who really got tossed off the cliff.

tgrant Wrote:
I removed Sindel also. She was resurrected and as far as we know, nothing more. It'd be an interesting twist if she did under the influence of the resurrection though.
Kitana isn't in there either as she always hated Kahn for the death of her mother. As for Ermac, though freed of Kahn's control over him, I wouldn't be 100% about being freed from the vow.


Sindel could had made the vow since she did marry him and became his Queen, even knowing it was Kahn who killed Jerrod and even though she hated him. If she married Kahn by fear and fright, why not take the vow as well?

Now MK3 comes to mind and seems to be tying a little part of that story. She was resurrected by Shang Tsung and his sorcerers, tricked to be evil, but she came back after death...to serve Kahn. Maybe Sindel did take the vow.

Kitana fits in the list as well since she originally served Kahn and gladly fought for him. She didn’t always hate Kahn, on the contrary, remember that it was only in the end of MK2 that she found the truth about her past, thousands of years after her servitude.

So it means more then 10 main characters would die because of that vow....kind of sucks imo, just feels a bit too much, though I must admit the suspense of knowing what happens and to who does the vow really apply rocks. What sucks though, is that they would all just drop dead because of it.

Planche Wrote:
Hmmm, going through Shao Kahn's bios and endings, nothing seems to indicate that he even knew about Shang Tsung and Quan Chi killing his clone. Which would easily explain why he gave Shang back a body so readily.

Shao Kahn more than likely realised his clone had been killed since Edenian forces occupied his stronghold, and probably figured it was the Edenians who took care of his clone, thus removing any suspicion of Shang, at least for the time being.



Hopefully all that is true. Im guessing that’s what really happened since it would be and sounds utterly stupid for Kahn to resurrect the sorcerer and be all happy about it without considering the fact that it was him who betrayed and “killed” him.

Maybe Kahn doesn’t have a clue about who killed his clone.

mkflegend Wrote:

LOL@ the people who think it's a 1st grade level bio....*long sigh* honestly for the people that rip every bio...answer this can YOU write us a better one?I think not...


You know I have nothing against you MKF smile, but what makes you think others cant handle the art of writing? There are actually many great writers around and people who have studied and carried literature and the art of speaking and language in a high position, you know? Maybe even at professional standards.

So to answer your question, yeah, I think many could do better. But hey, Im not complaining. I love Vogel for doing what he is doing and so far, to me, no bio has felt like it was written by a seven year old (or whatever they say now), that’s exaggerated. Vogel is doing a great job and most of us truly appreciate his work.

Vogel YOU ROCK!!!! (just please don’t mess up any bios like you did with Jareks)

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I'm just curious, why is Shang Tsung's body not "mutilated" in MK:A? (Aside from developer laziness). He looks the same to me. I wonder if Meat will have any connection to the body that Tsung now occupies?

Also MK:O again: This is the 12th bio, not the 11th. This is the second straight miscount you guys have made.


Shang Tsung is not “mutilated” in MKA because ethe bio states that Shang Tsung got his original body back after killing Li Meis innocent people and eating their souls.

I love that evil bastard. grin

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For all of the people complaining about "yet another resurrection": May I ask what do you want from the MK team? The characters died off. We actually saw Shang, Quan, and Raiden get destroyed in the blast. Raiden's Deception bio confirms that, if I'm not mistaken. So what do you want them to do?

"I thought Raiden's blast had destroyed us all. I was wrong. When I came to, I'd discovered that I'd rematerialized in in the lower bowel of an African elephant, and, after hours of straining past the anus of the animal, like Jim Carey in Ace Ventura 2, was pooped out a day later.

It seems that a vow I took to the dread lord Shao Kahn over a millennium ago, bound me to my master, and seemingly fatal harm would cause me to rematerialize in the bowels of pachyderms."

If the character is dead, and you want to play as them, please, give a plausible explanation as how they return.




Honestly......With a bit of creativity and a spark of imagination, you got a bio with no resurrections! (cool, it rhymed...rolls eyes).

All you need is to be creative and play with the world you control!

Soon after understanding Raydens desire, Shang Tsung could had created some sort of mystical soul shield that would had gravely weakened him but transported him away into safety, etc etc etc.

He could even had dissolved into thin air like he loves to do, etc etc.

I guess Im not complaining about this resurrection though, because it was needed to add that spark of depth they gave the story by revealing the vow and all of that. So its cool.

But yeah, it is possible to bring back characters that are supposed to be “death” without using the resurrection bit.

And besides, they have done it in the past by retconning some stuff or changing a bit of the story for better needs.

Like Jarek, though not entirely original, his survival is much better then a resurrection. Thank God they thought of that.


I'm not saying that's not a possibility but come on now...I've seen the same users rip every single MK bio....it's like enough is enough already, and I understand what you're saying honestly but Vogel is a talented guy.The MK storyline would be lost if not for him, that's my honest view.

I know you have had a beef with some bios queve, but you've also gave some props....there are some other people on here who I won't say (but I'm sure the people here who agree with me on this know who they are will know.wink) that will never be pleased no matter what.So, why even bother posting if you're just going to rip the MK team?

It's like the dude with the jason siggy said, to some the MK team can do no good...which is why I'd like to see these people write a better bio.You're right, I don't know if they possess writing talent but lets just say I'd be surprised if they can match Vogels talent as far as MK is concerned.
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03/29/2007 08:51 PM (UTC)
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Cookie-cutter bios.
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03/29/2007 09:53 PM (UTC)
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One more bio learning us all evil characters whose the bio has been revealed (except Rain) make an alliance. Then who will get godlike power from Blaze's defeat would kill his partners next.

That's too many selfish characters!



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03/29/2007 10:59 PM (UTC)
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VENOMOUS75 Wrote:

YEs, but at this point, aren't people sick of retcons too?

Shang Tsung's an Outworld demon, now he's a sorceror born on Earth who betrayed Earthrealm.



Shang Tsung has always been from Earthrealm


No, he wasn't. Or it has been retconned, because John Tobias envisioned Shang's true form to be that of a hunched back, ram-horned demon with teeth that resembled Baraka's. I saw it in a gamepro magazine from early 1994. The creature was also wearing Shang's MKII outfit. Furthermore, it was stated in the article that the rendering was in fact Shang Tsung. Hence the term, Demon Sorcerer.

Another point of interest: Bo Rai Chos couldn't participate in Mortal Kombat, because even if he battled for Earth, Outworld would count it as their victory. If Shang was from Earth, and fought in MK, his victories should have counted toward the side of Earth. They don't. Retcons tend to suck. I usually don't have anything bad to say about the way the sstories are written, but certain aspects annoy me.

Shang's Bio is not one of them. I hope the rest turn out this well, and I hope that they don't play Shao Kahn off as a simple-minded madman. The only bad guy that doesn't realize that Shinnok is trying to use him.
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03/29/2007 11:08 PM (UTC)
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VENOMOUS75 Wrote:
No, he wasn't. Or it has been retconned, because John Tobias envisioned Shang's true form to be that of a hunched back, ram-horned demon with teeth that resembled Baraka's. I saw it in a gamepro magazine from early 1994. The creature was also wearing Shang's MKII outfit. Furthermore, it was stated in the article that the rendering was in fact Shang Tsung. Hence the term, Demon Sorcerer.

No.
From Mythologies. A demon who's essence originated on Earth.
I think the MK1 comic also mentioned Shang Tsung was from Earth as well.


VENOMOUS75 Wrote:
Another point of interest: Bo Rai Chos couldn't participate in Mortal Kombat, because even if he battled for Earth, Outworld would count it as their victory. If Shang was from Earth, and fought in MK, his victories should have counted toward the side of Earth. They don't. Retcons tend to suck. I usually don't have anything bad to say about the way the sstories are written, but certain aspects annoy me.

As mentioned in my first post, also alluded to in the link I just posted, by pledging himself to Shao Kahn it seems that allowed Tsung's ivctories to count for Outworld.
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03/29/2007 11:46 PM (UTC)
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Submitting his services to Kahn, thus allowing for him to participate in Mortal Kombat on behalf of Outworld, seems a little iffy, but ok, it's passable. It makes a little sense.

I still stand by what I said about Shang being a demon. I guess I'll have to look the picture up. It is online. I'll also point out, since folks like to point to MK Conquest as a source of info, the movie shows Shang TSung reverting to something of a less than human form when he's killed off. I think that's a nod to Tobias' idea. Also, the thing from MK Mythologies, which was also in the instruction manual for the game, doesn't actually refer to Tsung as a demon. "sorcerer known as Shang Tsung approached him. Shang Tsung's essence was created on Earth" Which would mean that that is a retcon, as the picture of Shang as a demon was in 1994, and MK Mythologies came out in 1997

As for Shang Tsung's origin in the MK comic, I'll have to dig out my copy of MKDA and read it again, but I'm fairly certain that it makes no mention. HE just shows up. He wins, he loses to Kung Lao, then disappears until the next generation where he shows up with Goro.
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03/30/2007 01:19 AM (UTC)
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nice Bio. very intersting indeed. Shamg is up to his old tricks to betray kahn. i doubt his plans will be successful because shang always is delusional when it comes to wanting power

Grandmaster subzero? Don't forget Shang learned the Black arts from kahn himself. So whateva shang knows Kahn knows and a lot more. kahn knows magic but is too powerful to be considered just a mere sorcerer since he has vast power to dominante reality into total darkness
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03/30/2007 04:41 AM (UTC)
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VENOMOUS75 Wrote:
Because those are two different Supermen. They ended one series and then started another, where they gave him new abilities and weakened him.

It's different with Shang Tsung, because MK is an ongoing series, and the tv show should have had no affect what so ever.


You're wrong.

"Earth 2" Superman, who is the original 1930's Superman, is the one who started out only being strong, fast, and able to jump really high, and gained flight and a weakness to Kryptonite over time because of outside media.

And he had ALL of the same powers as the current Superman in both Crisis on Infinite Earths, when the two met, and the recent sequel Infinite Crisis.

Outside media affects change in the source material all the time. The movie invented the Johnny/Sonya flirtation, the Liu/Kitana romance, Kano being Australian, and Raiden having long, silver hair.

Conquest took Shang Tsung, who until then, HAD NO backstory other than being a 1,000 year old "demon-sorceror" (the definition of which has NEVER been given), and explained that he was once a fighter for Earth who was lured to the dark side and taught how to steal souls by Shao Kahn. They made Shang relateable and interesting.

And frankly, he's STILL too mysterious and under-developed for my tastes. We STILL don't know what a "demon-sorceror" is...maybe it's the price he paid for his black magic? The true form he hides with his shapeshifting is the one in that concept sketch from MK2? How did he get involved in the Shaolin Tournament before joining up with Kahn? Wouldn't it have been a cool twist if he had been a monk like Liu once? If he too had trained with Bo Rai Cho, and been the one pupil who went wrong? His ex-master in Conquest was named Cho too...

There's NOTHING wrong with Midway taking GOOD ideas that elaborate on the characters and make them more interesting, and adapting them into the series. As long as we never get the BAD ones like a snake coming out of Scorpion's hand, then I fail to see the downside.
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03/30/2007 05:06 AM (UTC)
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Shang Tsung's true form is as canon as Zebron. When will people realize this?
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