I really think being a God is overrated. So you're uber-powerful and are supposedly immortal. But there are characters who aren't Gods and can just be as powerful and would accomplish to actually kill those so called immortal Gods. Just because Black Adam gets his power granted, he shouldn't be taken lightly either.

Here's a list of his granted Powers.

S - for the stamina of Shu

Using Shu's endurance, Black Adam can withstand and survive most types of extreme physical assaults. Additionally, he does not need to eat, sleep, or breathe and can survive unaided in space

H - for the swiftness of Heru

By channeling Heru's speed, Black Adam can move at sub-light speeds in orbit. In outer space, Black Adam can fly at trans-light speeds, while on Earth he has been depicted at running at Mach 500, while less powerful.

A - for the strength of Amon

Black Adam has a phenomenal level of super strength, able to easily bend steel, punch through walls and lift massive objects. Adam's strength is generally depicted of being at the same level as Superman and Captain Marvel, though some writers have portrayed him as being more powerful; on at least one occasion, he has been able to successfully hold his own against an assemblage of the Justice League, Justice Society, and the Teen Titans.[2] This is something neither Superman nor Captain Marvel have been able to do.

Z for the wisdom of Zehuti

Black Adam has instant access to a vast level of scholarly knowledge. The wisdom of Zehuti also provides him with counsel and advice in times of need.

A - for the power of Aton

Aton's power allows Black Adam to fly, fuels the magic thunderbolt that transforms Adam, enhances Adam's other physical abilities, and magic resistance against a massive amount of magic spells and attacks. Adam can use the lightning bolt as a weapon by dodging it and allowing it to strike an opponent or target.

M - for the courage of Mehen

This aspect is primarily psychological, and gives Black Adam superhuman amounts of inner strength from which to draw. His strength of mind renders him resistant to telepathy and mind control. In some depictions, the courage of Mehen also provides a degree of his invulnerability to harm.



Shao Kahn is a god as well and he's nothing more than a brawler. Just because they are gods, we shouldn't assume they know everything.



So he's got some fancy titles. Whoopdido... And he wields powers that are the source of Black Adams powers. Man, Black Adam is going to have it rough.



And that's relevant how? You don't need to be divine to have the strength to move a planet. Which would probably be enough to take on Raiden. Who I'd rank around the same level as Marvel's Thor, who btw is a God too, anyway.



How is this anything like Kabal Vs. Flash? Kabal Vs. Flash is like a joke match to begin with. Kabal's got one lousy rush move in his entire move set. That doesn't suddenly make him Flash's equivalent.

All your entire post proved is how much people seem to overrate Raiden because he's got a God title. He's A god, not THE God.

Oh, and the Infinity Gauntlet is Marvel's thing.

And another thing!

Raiden doesn't have "god rites" whatever those are on "4 of the 6 realms".

1) There are more than 6 realms. You're forgetting about minor places that weren't in Deception because they didn't have Kamidogu hidden in them, like the Vampire realm Vaeternus.

2) Raiden only has full power on Earthrealm. He'd have to take a mortal form to fight in Seido, Chaosrealm, and Edenia just like he does in Outworld.

3) This is the most important part, one I've been meaning to point out for a while here:

He might not even have to do that "mortal form" thing anymore. He hasn't been Protector of Earth since MK4, so it's entirely possible that he's allowed to use his full god powers in other realms now because he has no specific domain. Which would mean he was at full power in Deadly Alliance and Deception, and Shang and Quan STILL beat him.
OR the opposite could be true. It could be possible that Raiden has to take a mortal form to interact with mortals at all. Who knows what his true god form even looks like? It could be a ball of energy, or a big glowing MK symbol-shaped dragon like the Elder Gods' true forms.
Either way, his "mortal form" actually has all his powers anyway, the difference is just that it can be killed. And even if it's killed, he'll just be reborn.

I'll go with Raiden.
Just to clear some stuff up... Raiden does not lose power when in Outworld or any other realm. He knows more than 750 documented forms of Jujutsu (all of them). He can control lightning and he can fly.
Shao Kahn is not a god!

If what you say is really true, then I wonder why anyone would vote for Raiden. He got his ass kicked by 2 Sorcerers. And knowing 750 forms of Jujutsu didn't seem to help.



Well, my bad then. Getting turned to stone and exploding seemed to indicate that he was more than just a mere mortal. And why would other Gods have problems with him in the first place then?

Since "Raiden can fly" keeps coming up, I feel compelled to remind that Black Adam can fly too. It's not a tactical advantage in this particular battle.
And while Shao Kahn isn't a god, it's been said before that his power rivals a god's.
He's also frequently referred to as an "immortal". Granted, in this case, the word only means that he can't die of old age or disease. He can still be murdered. But still, that means he's more than mortal.
Consider this:
Shang Tsung and Quan Chi together were enough to beat Raiden. It was even Shang's fireball and giant flaming snake that landed the finishing blows, knocking Raiden unconscious.
The source of Shang Tsung's power is the souls he's been stealing for one thousand years.
Shao Kahn's power comes from stolen souls too. Only, Kahn's been at it for hundreds of thousands of years. He holds entire realms worth of souls.
If Shang is half as good as Raiden, and Kahn is that much better than Shang, Kahn's power can definitely compete with a god.

I’ve always disliked how the god characters are portrayed in the games. They are weaker than they really are, imo. The story pretty much portrays the god characters as equals to humans in a sense which is how the ancient Greek gods were portrayed if I remember correctly. We do know that Raiden is immortal and as such so are Shinnok and Fujin. All 3 have been defeated by mortals in that respect. Unknown to us is this whole other 'god form' that people have mentioned. In mortal form, I assume that they are gods with their powers but they are not as strong as they could be. One could take their human form as being armour (similar to the Final Fantasy 10 story with Sin). Sure they may have their powers but if you manage to break the armour then they will go down. In this case, if you do enough damage to their mortal bodies (which they will liken to be exactly like mortal bodies, therefore just as frail), then you will defeat them but never kill them. Their immortality sways in their favour as they can come back again and again.
Their levels of power haven’t been properly detailed in the games or the story and neither has that of the Elder gods. We have yet to find out what that sort of status would bestow upon the bearer.
One other thing to note is that though Raiden has been beaten as such in the story, we do know that he can beat powerful warriors such as Shujinko given his MKD ending. As such, I'm sure he can more than handle Quan Chi and Shang Tsung (which he was doing until he was bested). One on one individually in that fight they didn't do too well versus him. Also, one on one, Quan Chi is the likelier of the two to defeat Raiden. He was named as Raiden's biggest adversary in MKDA and Shang gets critically weak fast as MK1, MKSM and MKD show. (Without a quick soul fix he's rendered weak fast.) Sometimes you have to wonder if they write the stuff that’s written purely for dramatic effect and so as to keep the characters somewhat believable so they aren’t too overpowered whether a god or not
Shao Kahn despite his god like power has also been defeated by mortals. It goes to show that whether you are a supreme power or not, you can be defeated by lesser beings. Also, it's 'god like' strength. This as far as we know is just a figure of speech used to describe someone who has strength greater than that of the average mortal. By no means does it mean he equals a god's strength but this should not be taken as him not being able to do so.
Finally, in no way am I trying to say Raiden can beat anything and anyone. I'm just answering some questions and clearing up anything I can and just giving my own insight. He may be my favourite character but with things like this I like to be unbiased and go for a realistic approach. Well, as realistic as you can be given MK.

I don’t know about Black Adam (it would be the first time looking him up if I did.) So I won’t vote.

But I think having a character lose isn’t a sign of weakness. Every character needs their Achilles’ heel or they become boring to care about. Same reason a lot of people hate the old Superman. Even though this is a game and doesn't apply here, it’s not their powers people care about, it’s their struggles.

Losing once in a while surely isn't a sign of weakness. It only shows that someone that loses against 2 mortal Sorcerers, won't have much of a chance against someone that can take on the Justice League.

And I also thought this Thread was about who people think would really win in a match, and not a popularity contest.

Actually, Shujinko's power level is dubious.

See, I have a theory that when he absorbs the fighting abilities of others, it's only temporary. That's why in his ending (which we now know is canon), he has to gather every character in the game into the same room and absorb their powers, even though he already met most of them and got their powers during Konquest mode.

How did all this Kahn talk come up? lol

Anywho, yeah he's a warlord or emperor that's beyond mastered powerful, evil sorcery and is immortal. If you guys watched the Conquest series, they kind of portray how he teaches Shang to Steal Souls etc since he like someone else mentioned has been doing it for eons.

On the recent match up, Raiden.

I'm going with Raiden Immortal god that can come back after his own destruction? Yeah....this is a nobrainer really.

Yeah, but like mentioned. Shang Tsung and Quan Chi barely qualify for being mortal.

As everyone knows, Shang Tsung has a vast knowledge because of his ability to take it from every soul he steals. At the time of MKDA when he beat Raiden, his portal to the heavens provided him with nearly limitless souls. If that equals to limitless knowledge, doesn't that put him on par with the gods?

And Quan Chi beat Tsung. What does that say about him?



It is about who people would think will win in a match, that’s why I put even though it’s a game and doesn’t apply here. I was answering the question of why people like “losers” of the fight.

They can die like any other human. So, yeah, mortal.

Although the Deception Intro was all kinds of ****ed up. Tsung apparently gets his neck broken, but gets up a few seconds later like nothing happened. Raiden, that earlier got beaten by Quan Chi's and Shang Tsung's combined powers is also back up like nothing happened and doesn't even appear weakend.

The Midway team probably thought it would be more dramatic to show the characters defeated, only to rise up again and combine forces. But all they managed to do was to create a laughable intro.

Interesting insight. It could also be looked at in this way. The ending states that he 'absorbed their combined fighting power'. Following on from that, the final picture shows that Shujinko has managed to utilise this as a focused burst of power which he would otherwise be unable to do regardless of having taken their power individually.
Any comments on what I posted about Raiden?

It looked more to me like his throat was crushed. People with broken necks usually don't bleed out their mouth, I don't think.

Well I would have to agree that, since Raiden can be beaten by sorcerers, and Shao Kahn can be beaten by Liu Kang, the power levels of all the MK characters are lower and more evenly matched than you'd expect if all you had was the expectation that "god" means "all-powerful".

Ok, then his throat was crushed. Which in the end really doesn't make much of a difference, because it would've been somewhat difficult to breath.

I agree with you there, but other than that, there's really not much to go on.

Well a crushed throat is less fatal. He could have used his magic or pulled another soul from the soulnado off-camera to heal it.

Hmm... ok. Valid point.

I don't believe Shang's soul stealing heals wounds. For him it's a source of power, strength and stamina. I highly doubt he could use a soul to heal a crushed throat. As for using his magic to do so, this too is doubtful. He struggled just to raise his arm to summon a soul in the MKD intro and seemed not to be able to throw his projectiles before having done so which supports the idea of soul stealing being a source of power, strength and stamina for him.

Heh.... and we're back to it being a ****ed up Intro. =/

Well something caused him to get back up looking perfectly healthy, and have enough power to shoot a constant stream of fire at Onaga. I'm just throwing out ideas.

The souls are also a source of life for Shang. I wouldn't be surprised if they healed him. We haven't seen anything that would suggest tha they wouldn't, and considering that souls bestow/prolong life, it would make a certain amount of sense that they too could heal him.

Now, I don't rely on the MK movies for my source of info (Raiden/Kahn/Shinnok family, anyone?) but I could have sworn that I'd read somwhere a long time ag that Raiden starts to lose power outside of Earthrealm.

Also, I thought, and I could have been assuming this, that when the Kombatants enter the tournament they become mortal if they weren' already? Like, to make the rules of Kombat fair, the participants have to give up their elevated statuses to fight, i.e. Raiden becomes human (with powers) and Shao Kahn becomes less invulnerable, relying only on their skills in "Mortal" Kombat.

Sorry I couldn't continue...had to run out the door.



Another good point. And I agree. Only thing I'll say about that is...MK needs to pay attention there. I'm sure it's agreeable that MK characters need break-downs of their powers like the one you gave for Black Adam.

However, the point that you made doesn't "reduce" Raiden either....it just solidifies, and defines that Black Adam as a very powerful character. Which there's nothing wrong with that...i'm just looking at it for what it is. It's necessary to define a character like him. I enjoyed reading it because I didn't know all of it about Black Adam. I just knew that he is the first to receive his powers from Shazam. And some other stuff that's not relevant right now, having to do with Captain Marvel.

But, we don't have that kind of definition for any MK character so..all that's really left to state after the little bit of facts is perspective. I say it's this way, you say it's that way.... in other words.

But just note, that I just answered the question that was asked with the facts that we actually have.



Far as the "divine thing. Divinity holds precedence over the purity, different types, and degrees of power. So, the divine "rite" to rule, simply implies that if a mortal was granted powers, I'd say that the potency (1st hand, 2nd hand ect. Black Adam is second to Shazam) is more and more jeopardized the farther away from the source it gets. Raiden has not been jeopardized in any way until the sacrifice....but even then, he is the source of his own power.

So therefor, in this example, there is a degree of potency and purity in the power Black Adam has, that is just less than Raiden iMo Because he is not his own source.



How is it a-like, you mean? Well, in opposition to what you posted, I would argue that Black Adam only has any of his moves because of powers that had to be obtained, otherwise it would not be so. AND that this fact doesn't make Black Adam an adequate match for Raiden, just because he has them. Basically, the same thing you said, but in reverse.

As far as overrating Raiden, I think the opposite of that as well. I don't think the gods in MK are bolstered up as much as they should be, in order to be appreciated as gods. They're more or less used like "super-powered people"....which is an extreme inaccuracy to me. I think they are all waaay underrated.

iMo, I don't think it should ever be a question surrounding "what can they do", or "why are they gods", and I don't think we should have to speculate based on "what form he's in"...ect. I think we should have that information on tap.

Now, I respect that you could percieve my explaination as making Raiden seem "OverPowered". But this doesn't say that Raiden shouldn't have a "fatal flaw" of some sort. It is most common in Mythology that gods actually do have a weakness.....it's just extremely hard to exploit. As it should be iMo.

So as we actually, factually know, Raidens only real weaknesses are:

1.) His passion for mortals (earth mortals in particular)
2.) His human form, during a mortal kombat contest.
3.) After his sacrifice, in the ether-realm where he is "vulnerable". As we've seen, that's the only real time in MK history Raiden has been affected by any battle he's been in. Shinnoks MK4 ending is not canon.

Other than that, he doesn't have any weaknesses, and I think he is much more underrated than he should be because these facts are not explored,or as widely known as they should be.



Oh crap! That's my fault, yea you got me. I'll concede.

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All I meant was that he maintains a level God-hood on at least 4 of the 6 realms that has had focus on them in the canon. Mortals don't jack around with him where ever he goes for a reason. I propose that the reason is because mortals recognize that a fight with him, even in other realms is a futile attempt. i.e.: They recognize his rites as a God(abilities like his command over electricity - "walk on water" - fly - or teleportation, stamina, superb strength, invulnerability, eternal life...ect).

Same as it would be if Argus, or Shinnok came to Earth. They wouldn't just "stop having" power cuz they came to Earth. Even though they may not be as recognized as Raiden is, as a god, they'd still have all their rites.

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I wouldn't bring other realms into it like that, but I also wouldn't put it past him for having god rites on other realms outside the main 6 we've seen either.



There is no "full" or "partial" or even "waining" of a rite as a god. It is either there as a fact, or it is not. He either has them, or he doesn't. I think it depends on where he's at though...

Mortal Kombat & MKA (the movies) don't count for canon info. In which, those movies, his powers wore off when he was on the other realms, or were not as powerful as they would be on earth. Those movies don't count. Only the games' info.

It's why I think it's gotta be location sensitive, in the games. For instance, I wouldn't expect Raiden to have god-rites on NetherRealm. As a pure divine entity, he shouldn't be able to go there in the first place because you have to have taint in you, in order to enter that place. MK1-DA Raiden would not be able to enter. Because "light Raiden" is pure divine "good guy", no taint, no nothing. MKD-A Raiden would be able to enter NetherRealm...because after the sacrifice, he is tainted.

Whether he'd keep his powers then, on a realm like NetherRealm, remains to be seen.



Actually, the only time he's said to "have to" use a mortal form, is when he wants to participate in the contest of Mortal Kombat. That's the rule established back in MK1.

So, during that fight with Shang Tsung and Quan Chi, he's definitely in mortal form. After he lost, and got back up however...I'm not sure whether he's still in human form, or celestial form at that point. That's the bridge where I agree with you though. "Maybe he didn't need to be in human form right there...?..."

Any other time though, his celestial form can look just like it does in mortal form. Same as when angels in the bible, or gods in mythology appear before man, as a mortal constructed being. (sorry for using that "bible" example, don't mean to offend anyone)

Like I was saying with Nathan....It's really a pity we don't have break downs like the Shazam thing. It'd help at least define all the characters on the MK roster better.

Hm...yea, those are my thoughts on this...especially about Raiden, and the other god characters.

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Round 5:

Hawk Girl



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Nitara




Powers & Abilities for Hawkgirl:

Belt with a special metal that defies gravity, artificial feather wings, archaic weaponry, flight, enhanced strength, healing factor, enhanced vision, reincarnation.

Powers and abilities

Hawkgirl owes her powers to a belt of nth metal, a substance native to the planet Thanagar (once home of another pair of Hawk-heroes, Katar Hol and Hawkwoman). The metal is psycho-reactive, responding to its bearer's thoughts and in its base form has a number of electromagnetic/gravitational properties. To the Hawks, it grants the power of flight, superhuman strength, super-acute vision, and an enhanced healing/regeneration ability.

Additionally, the nth metal knife which murdered Hawkgirl in her original incarnation as Chay-Ara had an unusual effect upon her soul and that of her lover Khufu (Hawkman). The pair are locked in a seemingly endless cycle of death and rebirth throughout the centuries. While not a superhuman power per se, this propensity for reincarnation has allowed Hawkgirl to cheat death and return to active duty in her current incarnation.

Recently Kendra has discovered that she had enhanced healing and limited hover abilities when not wearing Nth metal. She speculates that this is due to her prolonged exposure to the substance.

Hawkgirl GMV.