Hahahaha... hey I was just brainstorming. It's not like I can not live without nudity in future MKs. But let me explain.

I think it's fair to say that a lot of the appeal of MK has to do with it's excessive violence... you could even say unnecessary violence if you'd want to. So the blood and gore is definitely exploitation, aimed at provoking people ( or please them; that really depends). So I for once don't see the big difference between gratious blood and gratious skin.

I guess it comes down to ones views of nudity. I wouldn't put that in the same category as fart jokes. I mean none of the female characters in MK is physically apalling. As long as the person shown isn't like 99 years old or 400 pounds heavy I don't view nudity as distatsteful in any way.

And dude... of course that feature would be exclusive to the girls
I mean geez I didn't even consider dangling nutsacks a possibilty, that's just totally out of the question.

On to your points...

1. What's the purpose of unlockable concept art in general?... it's just nice to look at it. I don't always jerk of when I look at nude photography, actually I rarely do so. There's also a big difference to be made, I don't like crappy 08/15 porn pics but I do like the artsy stuff. I just think some nude pics could be neat.

2. MK is a world of violence, double crossings and strong bounds between allies. IMO it's rather unrealistic to exclude sex from that! Face it sex can be a lot of things: a way to win trust or information, a way to degrade captives and also something that just happens between people that are close allies and strive for the same cause.

As for being distasteful... see above. I just think that sex isn't.

And would you realy say no to a shower scene with Sonya or a nude Kitana doing a kata in the light of a full moon?

3. OK this could be tricky. Maybe something like a female character simply taking off her top, throwing it at the dead body of her opponent and then striking a pose... or maybe stuffing her panties in the mouth of the dead opponent... lol ... OK you don't have to answer to this point

4. No, stunned as in mesmerized for a few seconds
This would have to be balanced out but I'd say it shoud only work on certain male characters like Cage for example. Others like Scorpion or Sub-Zero would be unaffected by flashed boobs.

5. Boobs... yes! Female ass... yesh! Scrotum.... HELLS NO!!!
And I dunno man IMO it's pretty possibly for the skimpy costumes of the MK girls to rip when they are flying through solid walls ( which is btw not realistic at all to begin with; I think you might mistake MK's pseudo realism with real realism here )

6. Mmmh...?! Why do you think I added the inverted commas to costume?

But there's also the possibility of costumes that simply reveal the important parts and still cover up some of the rest.



I think as long as the new MK will shine with excellent gameplay and graphics any attention added to it because of controversial stuff would do nothing but good... think about the first MK and the ruckus caused by the fatalities. That wasn't exactly counterproductive.

Fun: I dunno IMO watching nude chicks is fun

Matching the style: See 2. ...also violence in entertainment is exploitative, just like nudity and sex. I think it matches perfectly, they're mentioned in a pair all the time for a reason. Sex & Violence just fits!

Fartjokes: Take away your thoughts about scrotums and I don't see any resemblance whatsoever.

Sad ploy: MK haters have been saying the exact same thing about the intense level of violence. Well I disagree on both points.

Necessary: Maybe not necessary but certainly reasonalbe... just like all the blood.

Excuses: If I don't see something as wrong/distasteful or anything like that I don't need to make excuses for it. Not at all.


Please answer to this cause I'm really interested in what you think about it now.

Ohhh... COME ON! Puuuuh-leeeeeeeezzz!

Sex isn't harmful at all!

Stupidity however is!


There are things like condoms, the pill and so on. They keep girls from getting pregnant you know

The fact that this thread is still going makes me very sad. Every time I hear someone support the idea of nudity in video games I lose a little more faith in humanity.

Just do me a favor, guys: don't ever reproduce; not even by accident. I'd appreciate it.

You loose faith in humanity over someone liking boobs as a means of entertainment in a medium that aims at entertaining people???

A bit overly dramatic,... aren't we?

Many games are targeted at an adult audience so why shouldn't there be adult themes in them. And yeah prolly kids are gonna play them too but so what? Since the internet porn is easily accessible for anyone with a computer and before that there were older brothers with video tapes and daddy's playboy stack! And why should the youth be protected from nudity and sex? Seriously WHY?!

When you hit puberty you'll start to get curious, that's just a fact and there's nothing wrong with that. And physically humans are able to reproduce from a young age. Within our society that's too young of course, it's disasterous cause one has to finish school and our culture is too (for the lack of a better word) complex for juveniles to fully understand by the time they can initiate the birth of a child, in short they're in no way prepared to take the responsibility that comes with raising a child.

In a primitive environment it wouldn't be a problem though. But we don't live in such a society, we are immensely cultured, we have fictional morals and values and also stuff like aids. But our hardwired instincts don't give a flying fuck ( excuse the pun ) about all that. But luckily we also have, thanks to our advanced society, the means to prevent aids and pregnancy at any age ( what's really sad is that the same morals and values that condemn ( hehe yeah, guilty of another pun ) sexuality also condemn giving youngsters the much needed information on how to prevent the dangers of sexuality, stuff like condoms and the pill or just plain knowledge about sex.

And before you snap back at me like -hah- you said sex isn't harmful and now you admit that there are dangers to it. Wait a sec!

If you take pollution out of the picture for a moment, driving a car isn't harmful at all but it has it's dangers as soon as somebody is behaving irresponsible. It's the same for sex. IMO as soon as someone wants to have sex he/she should have and also should already have the information on how to prevent the dangers of being sexually active.


What I'm trying to say here is that being exposed to nudity or sexuality doesn't create a curiosity for sex but instead is just what is naturally being seeked out from a certain age on.

And in response to the christian 14 year old who said he wouldn't play a MK with boobs in it... big whup to your parents for the good work on the brainwashing. What you said may very well be truly based on what you believe in but I bet you the price of the finest hooker money can buy that you have some really 'dirty' thoughts form time to time that you feel guilty for and that would make the holy mother Maria cry. So yeah I guess it must be pretty tough being a christian and all but whatever,... this isn't the place to discuss religion so sorry 'bout this and the next little rant.

Back to the other poster,... you said that everyone who's for nudity in videogames, which are really just another medium for enterainment like movies, music or photography, should never have children in your opinion. That's a pretty crass statement to make. How'd you like it if I'd say that everyone who follows any school of thought that insists on the exsistence of a higher being or who is just a prude by choice should never 'reproduce?! I don't think that would run well with you. Now would it?!

In fact it sounds pretty fascist to me. Not good... no no no *waves index finger*. One should never start to think like that, even if it wasn't meant serious. The scary thing for me is that I'm not sure if you were joking or not. I can never tell with people that seem to believe...

with every thing you have posted so far i can come to the conclusion that you are french(the sex nation)

and yes i have had times where i have gone beyond "dirty thoughts" but i will never ever have sex until i have been maried


you can do what you want to because i ,being aclueless "brain washed person ,could never convince you

i only hope that you will oneday come to know Jesus Christ as your savior


and i am not brain washed

do you have any idea how many people who claim to be christians are living some of the worst lives they could live

I actually prefer that when you beat MK8...you unlock a porno.

I am kidding. No to nudity.

Hahahaha no I'm not french rofl,... I'm american, my dad is american and I was born in the US, I grew up in europe though but I usually don't tell exactly where in europe on the net cause I don't like having to deal with stereotypes

And sure you had what you categorize as 'dirty thoughts'

... it is natural

denying your instincts however isn't.

And yeah the brainwashing comment was exaggerated but do you honestly believe you had chosen christianity as the thing to do for you if it hadn't been laid ( can't stop the puns ) upon you by your parents?

I don't think that anybody who's confronted with both sides of the argument ( and for the record I don't consider myself an atheist ) at an age where he/she starts to be able to make decissions would choose christianity. Grown ups that find their saviour ie born agains are usually in need of some delusional beliefs that make them feel better about themselves and therefore choose to buy into the ******** in order to deal with all the shit in there pathetic lives, mostly knowing full well that it's not the truth they choose.

For everything you do there's a motive. I'd suggest you inspect your motives for your believes.

And what exactly is Jesus supposed to rescue me from should I get to know him one day?! What do I need to be saved from?

A hell I which exsistence I don't acknowledge? A supposedly sinful life that I actually enjoy?? The 'terrifying' knowledge that I won't go to a heaven I don't view as real after I die???

What is it aside from delusional beliefs that are supposed to make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside that Jesus has to offer me in return for giving up my rational thought?


A shit... there I go. I suggest that if you want to continue this, we take this where it belongs and stop the hijacking right here. So if you want to reply to this please make a new thread in the off-topic section and I'll get back at ya there.

I took the liberty of disregarding all but the first three sentences of your twelve-page missive defending the ridiculous notion of nudity in Mortal Kombat. What it comes down to in my eyes is that violence is obligatory in this game; nudity would be nothing short of gratuitous. Moreover, I'm sick of having sexuality crammed down my throat hand and fist (there's a filthy pun in there for you) in everything from video gaming to English textbooks.

Is sex a natural, biological drive that's necessary to keep the species alive? Absolutely. Does this mean it's something we need to publicize, portray as a "harmless" form of entertainment and drill into kids at a young age as a cool pastime? Not even close. Sex has been made into something disgusting and casual by the modern media and Hollywood, and even if I'm the only guy my age (26) on earth who disapproves of this, I'm still going to take a stand on the issue.

I don't have to be in the majority to be right, nor do I have to care if others think this makes me a "prude." I'd prefer to keep the lines between pornography and video gaming as distinct as possible. In fact, I want a brick wall lined with electrified razorwire in between the two. With alligators at the bottom. Alligators with mouthfuls of jellyfish.

lmfao... this is gettin really funny...

DUDE!!!... OBLIGATORY?! You're for real aren't ya? Shit

Well imho ripping somebody's head off after he's alread knocked the fuck out is actually much closer to being gratuitous than to being obligatory violence...

geez you really crack me up dude.

The point I was making amongst others was that MK has always been of a very exploitative nature, hence gratuitous sexuality would fit right in with the already gratuitous violence.

You can find that point and my answer to the rest of what you've written in the post you didn't read.

Basically, we have enough "sex" in how provocative the game can be already. Controversial sex scenes or gratuitous nudity adds nothing but bs to the game.

Violence and Gore in Mk IS warranted however....because it's a fighting game with "fantastic" killings. It goes hand and hand. Fighting IS violent. And, Violence will get messy, especially considering human flesh, bone and blood. So there is a merit for gore there.

There's isn't for nudity however. Nudity, when talking about violence, is mostly tied to Specialists. Like the Coroner or Forensics...OR, it's associated with a "violation against humanity", like the Holocaust, or Slavery.

There's nothing appealing about it in that sense, which is also logical to conceive about MK.

"Gratuitous skin", is not logical in a fighting game, unless you consider accidents. Like when I mentioned female fights, and one of them rips the other ones shirt or something. lol Doesn't say I'd like that type of thing in the game either, it's just a more reasonable scenario than the features you mentioned.

Also what needs to be recognized, is that the fighters in this game are supposed to be "The Best of the Best". So, unless they attribute the "ripping of another females clothes off" scenario, to a savage type character(or Nitara, cuz she scratches already).....I don't see that being a reasonable implementation either.

But there's the difference, anyway.




I don't think I mentioned distasteful. I'm speaking of relativity, necessity, and whether or not it makes the game a better playing experience. Which I don't think nudity does for any of the aforementioned.




Balls, Breast what's the difference? It's all nudity...right?(/sarcasm)



Why house "that"...here? Why not just go look at some porn? hahaha..It doesn't make the game look OR play better, so why have it in the game? What's the point?



I don't think sex is distasteful, I just don't think it has a place in MK without stretching to make it relevant.

And yes, I would say No. I would not like to see any of the female characters exploited sexually, any more than they already have been. Different costume, and character design is enough for my favorite video game.



Hahaha, you know you're being ridiculous now don't you. hahaha..



So use nudity, as a special move? NO man...no.



It was substantial to the appeal of the game though. And it made sense, unlike nudity...in a fighting game.



No, sex and violence have been smooshed together long enough to make you think it must fit.



Explain How.

You missed my point. Mortal Kombat is already an established series, and possibly the one thing it's best known for is the Fatalities. Ergo, the violence has become obligatory to keep the game Mortal Kombat. If you remove the Fatalities (which I admit are gratuitous in that they are not necessary to make a generic fighting game), you're left with something that's not Mortal Kombat at all.

Violence is a part of this series' heritage, and nobody is going to stop buying Mortal Kombat because the game's violent, assuming they were a fan of the older games. On the other hand, I swear that if they decide to strip nude the female characters in MK8 simply because oversexed, sweaty teenagers need to jerk it on their Sixaxes, I will not under any circumstances support the entire series ever again. They'll have lost my business as a fan and a customer permanently.

Tell me how they stand to benefit from alienating members of their fanbase, however few we who feel so strongly on the issue may be.

I already did but you didn't quote that part nor did you respond to it in any way. But again:

2. MK is a world of violence, double crossings and strong bounds between allies. IMO it's rather unrealistic to exclude sex from that! Face it sex can be a lot of things: a way to win trust or information, a way to degrade captives and also something that just happens between people that are close allies and strive for the same cause.

Let's try to cut down the quote chain here. But first, Hehehe...watch this:

Dude, I'm trying to tell you, that you do not want nudity in Mortal Kombat...
Lol! If you're not appalled, and then laughing immediately after like I am right now, then I don't know what else to tell ya bra...haha.

That was an image posted up by one of our members here to have cut out a while ago who is homosexual. You can think nudity will just be female exclusive if you want to...hehehe I'm not willing to bet though.

And for the record, I am no where near a gay man. But I think you know that by now....anyway....
____________

Alright, alright, here we go now. lol




I meant "fantastic" like, "in a sense of fantasy". I wasn't aiming for the obvious point, "gratuity". So, in defense I'll say: "Duh"

Of course the violence in MK is over the top. But that solidifies my point..."Fantasy"-"Fantastic"....killings.



I'll rephrase, and add to that statement.....Fighting is a Violent thing. But NOT Sex, or Nudity.

Gore is a direct product of Violence, and or Savagery. But NOT Sex, or Nudity.

"One of those doesn't naturally fit". Which is sex, or nudity. In other words, you don't beat the shit out of someone, or worse, KILL someone, then turn around and have sex with them. Hence, my reference to Ted Bundy. What was cool about his killings? And what the hell would you want those traits in a fighting video game for? You see? It adds nothing, but it does take away from the game.

Or, how about this:

When was the last war where everyone in the battle blew each other kisses and flashed each other? lol When was the last fight you saw, that someone connected-with-chin with a right hook, and then started having sex, or showed some nudity right there? I mean in real life...

Now transfer that point to a video game that is a reflection AND exploitation of "mans" primal aggression and violent behavior......

How do you fathom it works that way? lol Just because you're a guy who likes sex and nudity? That doesn't "make it fit". That'd make you an artistic genius....which is not a common, or necessarily a good thing.

You'd need to show a crap-load of people that a literal interpretation of a "crotch-rocket", is a good way to hurt somebody with their genitalia. lol, Come-on man. Speak in terms of reason.



Portrayed in which possible way that it would "Fit" into MK? Like....this?

hahaha!

You better not say yes to that...hahaha..



Of course I stopped the quote right here...lol

But, one of those entertains in a video game, mainly because you'd go to hell (or just jail for the atheists out there..) for attempting something like what MK has in it. The other entertains in a strip joint. aheh..aheheahaha!



O-K...



AahOwah?!?




O-K so, Fatalities, Friendships, Animalities, Brutalities, Hara Kiris', Multalities, and now "Nude Humiliations" -- Nude-alities?!?

Sorry doggy...n0 W41 th4t wuz yu7 1d34




Oh...



Lol!



Oh, my fault. I overlooked.

So, in story....where we don't need a visual aid? Nor do we need it to establish those tendency's.....because you obviously recognize them as attributes of MK without.......Nudity.

hm..

YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAARRGGGHH !!!!



That was totally uncalled for
... there are no extra points for cruelty in real life *sob*




I'd take that bet. Midway wants to sell games,... gamers are mostly male and not gay. Do the math.



...



Hahaha... that was well funny.



Sex can be very violent and aggression can be expressed through sex.



I never talked about necrophilia. And your rhetoric is doing some extra laps outside of the stadium here... you know that.



I already told you





When was the last war where nobody got raped by the invading soldiers?

Maybe this stuff got less in recent history but think about the middle ages dude. After all it's undeniable that MK's realms are influenced by those times.



Look for yourself... if you dare to

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I'd have posted a nude one ( or one with oil ) but I figure that's against the rules,... this still makes my point clear though.



You're very good at intentionally misunderstanding something,... I guess.


Nudity: In fights, entertainment & eyecandy, over the top characterization of womanhood's best assets

Sex: In cut scenes and/or storyline, realism & added dramatic impact




I'm afraid that maybe I could let that slide although it's not really my kinda thing.




consequence does not equal cause




UR A TOTAL ##@$%^ %&*#(&* GO #@&%^ *%@#@!%*& YOU %^&$%& ... IHATE YOU!!!!

AND JUST FOR YOU TO NOW BETER THEN TO BE STUPID IDIOT MY BROTHERS UNCLES NEPHEWS GRANPAS SON IS ED BOON HIMSELF AND I WERE THERE WEN THEY WAS MAKING MORTAL KOMBAT AND BOON AND ME DID ALL STUFF TOGETHER AND ORIGINAITED ALL MK IDEAS EVERYBODY COULD EVER HAVE






Yes and if one would do so it would be totally gratitutious as well as based on 'reality' .... mmh just like fountains of blood after simple punches or killing people after having already defeated them.

So yeah IMO that would be in the spirit of MK. Showing something that's not really necessary to get what's going on as a form of entertainment.

Let's just agree to disagree on what needs visual aid and what doesn't. And then see what MK 8 has in store for us when it comes out

LmAo! I know....that was messed up.




Been a pleasure. *whistles and walks away*.

ahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude!, that first picture just wasn't fair!

omg omg omg that reiko pic i gotta were glasses now that was wrong
there shouldn't be nudity in mk

I would like to see a pornstar like female character in MK8

NOOO!!
if they put nudity in MK8 then it would get an AO rating wich would prevent plenty of fans from being able to buy it seeing how alot are under 18 not saying all so dont try and reply to this saing I'M NOT UNDER 18
again no

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I think that nudity (to make it realistic) would take up too much on the engine, sort of like in MKT Shang Tsungs mophing had at times load in the middle of the fight. Not that I'm against nudity, as someone said if I want porn pics I'd look for them and not play MK.


RE: Nudity in MK8?
MKULTRA wrote
I absolutely don't get it! I'm american but I live in europe so this damnation of uncovered flesh is absoluetly bizarre to me. I don't want to get into a discussion about religion here but... well you know. Anyway neither nudity nor sexuality are in any way dirty or harmful. I mean WTF! really! It's natural, it can be beautiful and won't harm freaking anyone. Not even kids!!! GEEZ! And in regard of the get a girlfriend comments... WTF the second. Having a girlfriend doesn't really make you stop wanting to see naked chicks... lol. So yeah nudalitys could be funny, I also don't think that MK should contain no humor at all. I think it's vital to the series... it just has to be moderate instead of being the theme and there shouldn't be characters like Bo Rai Fatso ( Fart Fatality anyone ). Rapalitys would fit the dark mood perfectly but that is something I think will not happen anytime soon and if it would it would be pretty offensive I guess. I'd have no problem with it in a videogame but I can understand why someone wouldn't want it. So how could nudity be integrated into the gameplay? 1. In artworks you get for completing some challenges or something. 2. In cut scenes 3. In winning poses ( girls flashing flesh in the joy of winning ) 4. As a special move ingame >a Flash Attack that leaves the opponent stunned for a few seconds 5. Ripped clothing after being uppercutted through the ceiling or kicked though a wall 6. As an unlockable alternate 'costume' And if you

I agree except for the rapeality.

You go bro,I'm a Christian and have lived not the best life GOD wanted me to, but nudity in a game? It's just a game!!!! either way I don't care.

How the hell has this thread gone this far? Well w/e. Yea if I was a mk character Id try to hit tanya. But it just wont happen, not because shes not into me tho, just because there will never be nudity in MK. NEVER EVER. Too many youngsters play the game and everyone knows it. M rated or not

Girlfriends > "naked" polygons.

If were going to have nudity in MK, I would have done it with Kerry Hoskins back in MK3, yeah.. She was in Playboy, so I guess it works out...

Also, nipples~!