You mean moves that leave you dazed? That's called a FREE GRAB. They're totally LEGIT.

For example Sareena's 2(triangle) in her sword. It leaves you dazed allowing her to grab you without you ducking, parrying, side-stepping, etc. Or as you previously stated Scorpion's 1(square) in Hapkido. It leaves you dazed also allowing him to grab you, hence the term FREE GRAB. It doesn't allow him to hit you again because chances are you'll be blocking, but grab you. But here's the trick to his 1(square) in Hapkido. It's a high-mid. Know what that means? It means if you get hit by 1(square) in Hapkido (causing you to be dazed), and you try and duck to avoid being hit by it again you're going to get hit by it. Because that sepcific move interrupts the process of you ducking causing you to be hit by it even if you pressed duck. So if you're going to be stubborn and keep trying to duck it while your opponent keeps doing 1(square), you're going to keep getting hit by it. Understand?

I can tell you all the free grabs if you want so that you know what to look out for so that you quit your "ranting".

I read and re-read your advice but all I was able to draw from it is that I can't duck or I'll keep getting hit. To be perfectly honest, that doesn't really help at all... and not to be rude, but giving me counseling again is something you've already tried to do in order to get me to destroy this thread, and it was unsuccessful. Once more, we're going back to the whole "I'm not easily-influenced" thing. Manipulation is a one-way street with me, if you catch my drift, heh.

I could care less if you take my advice or not. I'm trying to tell you why you keep getting hit constantly by moves that leave you dazed. Yet you're blocking me out. What I stated was FACT/TRUTH, but you can't handle it for some apparent reason so you will continue to play MKA online getting hit by some of the most avoidable moves. Go ahead and ask other players in the PS2 forums and they'll break it down for you. If not then you shouldn't "rant" about moves when people are trying to help you get around them you but you're being stubborn and shielding them out.

What you're saying is finally starting to make some sense, and even though I thought it was impossible, I can finally understand what you're getting at.

So I think what you're saying is you've been posting with the best of intentions, and have been wanting to help in your own way rather than attack. Am I right? Because if I am right, I'll say this: thanks for the advice and for wanting to lend a hand. I will also ask you this: if this is the case, why didn't you give the advice in the beginning and then give it up? Why did you keep coming back, saying sh*t that was completely irrelevant and had no other purpose but to TRY and piss me off? Because checking back in the pages, I only see two out of your many posts giving some kind of help or advice. The others were just you complaining endlessly about how useless this thread is, how much you don't like it, and trying to compare and contrast the definition of bitching and ranting.

So please, do explain that to me, and maybe we'll get somewhere.

I wasn't complaining about the thread. It was you and ranting about some of the most ridiculous things. For example wen you were "ranting" about "same cheap combo" people and you used Scorpion for an example. I fully understood what your were talking about. What they were doing was called a 50/50. Before I proceed I'll ask you..do you know what a 50/50 is?

There are lots of free throws. I think ermac has a 111 combo which sets up a free throw. Sub Zero also has one, I don't know the combo off hand.

This can be annoying but I wouldn't consider it cheap or illegal.

Scoprion is interesting also, after a spear, lots of people won't go into a combo, but instead do a hellfire which is unblockable, and then will attempt some low kicks to get you off balance.

I don't know guys, I used to think certain tactics were cheap. But I've come to realize that you can defend anything if you can anticipate and practice. I used to think KAKs were impossible but once I learned their tactics, I can defend them pretty well.

So I would say only infinites and gameshark are really cheap. I don't know of any infs besides Kenshi's 33, 33, 33, 33, 33, 33

-_-' ... Oh God, no I don't G_gamer. I'm sure it's the "name" for whatever it is I was talking about, but I don't take the time to learn what to call things that have pissed me off online. They're all whores using their whore tactics in my book! >=)



You do have a point about how you slowly learn to anticipate certain "cheap" tactics that people may use to end a fight as quickly as possible. But still, I think that even when the day comes when I learn how to evade and counter-attack every cheap move in the game, I'll still be annoyed about the person even using it, regardless of whether I fall for it or not. There's just something that bothers me a lot about your opponent purposedly making a fight overly one-sided. Whores, like I say. Just whores.

Then that's what you're getting caught up in.

When someone does Scorpion's f+1(sword pop-up) > spear > hellfire > 1(square) > 3(X),U+4(circle), etc, is that what you're getting pissed about? That's quite laughable since that's predictable with high-level Scorpions. And you call this tactic/combo cheap? It's just a mere mix-up of high hits, mid hits, and low hits, etc. It's not cheap, it's playing Scorpion the best way possible and it's effective. Same goes for Sareena's knives. I don't see why you're so frustrated with her knives, you know cuz side-stepping is soooooo inconvenient. In all, those moves are not "cheap" it's playing the game at a high level but in your book it's considered "cheap" which is sad IMO. Hey, but whatever floats your boat right?

^^^^^^^THANK YOU!

Do not duck. You'll just get hit by square over and over if you keep trying to duck it. Just take the grab cuz it gives you space after you get hit by it.

There's that too. Also sometimes I'll hold the jump button and sometimes it'll get me out of a Hellfire. I still get hit by it but I don't do the Hellfire dance giving my opponent another 50/50.

play smart dont complain and also the above up there for subby
its either 11 3
or 11 3 2 if you can hit it fast enough
both are free grabs also
hotaru
22 1 in first stance
as long as you hit the 1 alone with anycombo with hotaru its free grab

Funny thing - one time I went online and limited myself to throws, blocks, and parries, and nothing else - for the challenge. You have to admit, it would be quite limiting.

So I beat a few people and they complain that I throw too much...

It seems to me that if you know the person is going to throw, you can adapt and devise a plan to win.

People will complain about anything.

I'd like to take this time to do a little recap of what's been going on in this thread, cuz my head's like spinning right now...

Hmm... when I started it, I thought it was going to attract people who have had some ugly encounters online and wanted to post them. It DID attract those people, but moreso, it attracted others who, instead of doing just that, preferred to share their knowledge of how to get over a few of the things that have been mentioned.

Yeah, that doesn't so bad, even though I did yell at people about coming here to play psychiatrists. So I guess I should apologize for doing that in the beginning. I know I did say something along the liens of "This isn't what I want in this thread", but I've come to see no real harm in giving a few advices once in a while.

BUT! that only applies to SOME of the users who have posted here, I.E.: Paralyzer and a few others, I believe. I've tried hard, but I just can't bring myself to understand G_gamer07 and feel an apology is in order, I'm sorry. G_gamer, you DID give some good advice (like the others), but I think at LEAST 60% of your posts were very bitchy, and my replies (as rude as they were) were pretty much called for.

So maybe what I should be doing is playing bipolar, like this:

Thanks for some of the tips you've left here, G_gamer. You did say some things that are very likely to help me out during my online time, and maybe you left enough that I'll have to decrease the size of my rant list on the first page. I see that you've got a pretty good knowledge of the MKA mechanics, and specifically how to overcome cheap (yeah I still think they're cheap) tactics used online. That's pretty admirable, IMO.

Now I'll have to, unfortunately, turn my attention to the better part of what you've talked about in this thread because, as I mentioned before, you didn't give advices or inputs and left it at that: instead you took the time to make some very weak attempts at declaiming this thread and what I've talked about. You were unsuccessful in influencing me at all, and (being the occasionally ahole that I can be) I didn't act very nicely toward you because of it, which made you wanna keep coming back, lol. I still think that (regardless of whether or not what I consider cheap is also considered cheap to you) I have more than a right to talk about what has pissed me off online in the past. Just like 80% of threads in this site that have the thread master giving their thoughts about something, I can and will continue to do the same thing without going into depression over whether or not G_gamer will approve *rolls eyes*. And if I were you, I honestly wouldn't waste my time posting to me about how you disagree with my views and how "laughable" it is, because it's like dumping a barrel of trash on the thread that I'm just gonna step over. And honestly, same goes to PumkinKing93 and PenguinIceNinja. While you two weren't as persistent, you seem to still think that I'm going to lose my mind over how stupid I was and how right you are. Please, it's truly pathetic to rant about me ranting, especially because of how completely useless it is to do that.

P.S.: I know I was against the whole "help-giving" thing going on here in the beginning, but it seems like it's drawing some pretty good (and useful) discussion out of peoplem, so feel free to keep it up if you'd like and I won't defy it again, though I still wanna leave the thread open if any more people beside the ones who've already posted wanna talk about their negative online experiences.

Well all in all, I highly doubt anyone will post what pisses them off in online play because there are several other threads discussing the same topic. I'm sure there have been numerous people who read your posts and said to themselves "WTF?". And no I wasn't trying to bring down the thread. If that was the case I'd ask one of the mods to lock it or tell everyone not to post here. Did I do anything of the sort? No! So you have it all twisted. But since you have difficulty digesting certain useful information of the most remedial fighting game in America I'll just put you in the category of a "scrub". Not because of the thread but because of the things you whined about which are scrubbish. For you to whine and rant about Scorpion's 50/50s and Sareena's knives is childish and is exactly what scrubs do. Once again I'm not trying to offend you, I'm just simply stating the truth. You don't like it, then suck it up and get better at the game.

They already have. I think you're paying too much attention to my posts, staying awake until 4 in the morning to plan a way to reply properly, and not realizing that everyone else in this thread have been acting like they're at least 20 years older.



No you didn't do that, that's true. But again, you show that you value your own opinion too much, and truly think you're a lot more important than you actually are. See, people (mods or otherwise) don't need you to tell them what to do. There's no one waiting for you to say "Lock the thread" for them to lock it, they would have done so or will do so if they want. And there's no one waiting for you to PM them saying "Don't go on that thread", because I'm sure no one in this site likes you enough to do what you tell them to. So no, you didn't do any of that not because you don't dislike my thread, but because you know it's completely useless. I just wish you realized that that's not the only useless thing you can do: thinking that I take to heart whatever you say about me or this thread is another useless thing.



I didn't say I didn't understand what you said. My problem with you is not that I don't get what you're saying. For goodness sake, I wrote a whole paragraph about how useful some of the information you posted is!

You talkin about "scrub" only shows your 100th, depressive, pathetic, sad, sorry little attempt at trying to insult me (no, I don't buy your "I'm not trying to offend you" crap) and also gives me a strange feeling that you're overly-obsessed with gaming... "scrubs"... honestly -_-'. Not only that, but this will also mark me 100th time saying: "Please, don't make a fool of yourself by thinking I care WHATSOEVER what you like or dislike about the thread or what you like and dislike about what I've said".

G_gamer07 Wrote:
For you to whine and rant about Scorpion's 50/50s and Sareena's knives is childish and is exactly what scrubs do. Once again I'm not trying to offend you, I'm just simply stating the truth.

How many times are you going to repeat the same things? You're saying stuff that you said in your first post. Have you really not evolved at all since then?

And no, I have to say it's not the truth, it's your opinions. An opinion that others may care about, but that I don't, and neither does any inch of me.

G_gamer07 Wrote:
You don't like it, then suck it up and get better at the game.

I would only need to "suck it up" if I was feeling affected by what you've said. That's not the case, so there's nothing for me to "suck up". I'm typing this right in the same state that I was when I typed this thread's first post. Now, you might say "If you're replying to me that means you care about what I say". No. I'm replyign to you because, in case you haven't noticed, I don't let people talk sh*t to me in life, or virtually, or otherwise. So we have very different motives right here.

Now, my final words to you. I'd like to borrow a bit from your own closing statement that you probably think is incredibly cool. YOU don't like what I'm saying, then do like me, and stop caring and getting affected by it so much. It's as funny as it is sad that you get so insulted by what I've said, considering it's never been too rude. And don't tell me "I'm not getting insulted", because if you weren't, well, then this wouldn't be your 100th attempt to insult me back, would it? In fact, read this whole post at least 20 times. I don't mind you replying AGAIN, but if you do, I wanna make sure you won't repeat yourself or address things I've already talked about. Cuz if ur gonna keep talking to me, at least move forward.

Honestly Leo, IMO, you shouldn't even be entertaining this sad, pathetic kid. He looks like one of those 10 year olds obsessed with mortal kombat, and worst of all, thinks that's a cool thing he should be proud of.

He'll keep saying the same thing over and over and OVER again no matter how annoying it is, giving his little combo ideas, babbling on and on about every single thing about MKA online play, and using the word "scrub" like it was a normal thing to say.

And G_gamer, you really SHOULD read that post 20 times over, because it seriously makes every one of your insults so far look completely worthless. I can see Leo isn't just trying to offend you like you've been TRYING to do. HE's actually making points that you should pay attention to before wasting thread space again.

This is the shear reason I posted here. I agree with you on the quitters and KAK scrubs. Fuck them. But c'mon. Cheap combo whore? Same-cheap-attack whore? You have to be kidding me. Tell you what, how about I put it in the PS2 forums and maybe the PS2 felluz (or XBOX if you prefer) will agree with what you said? Because I haven't seen anyone in the MKA section post here....yet.

ok
if you don't help on how to deal with some of these ones that DO make sence then forget it man. Just sit there and keep losing to these guys i mean honestly if you want to complain for the rest of your mk playing time go for it but please dont post something over and over and not think someone once tried to help me put up with this shit

At random now....

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What the hell is with the people that don't like to just fight?

I mean damn, I understand an "unfair match" but hell, what's with the d00ds who can't get along when they loose?

I like to go back and forth with a person, or loose to a person consistently, or just own the hell out of a person as long as they are willing to play longer....

I don't et all the sour-ness about loosinf online...To me it's still no big deal either way....


blah

Post this in the rant thread too..

G Gamer and Leo, you could've gotten a room and had your nice little quarrel with pms.

In response to that:



I have a strange feeling I'm gonna be using that quote ^ a lot more...



No where in this thread have I asked "DO YOU ALL AGREE WITH ME??!1" So I don't need to know if you agree with me or not, I don't need to know if frozenpenguinwhateverdude down there agrees with me or not, and I definitely don't need to know if people in the PS2 forums agree with me or not. If anyone doesn't agree with me, it's not gonna change my life. AGAIN: your thoughts and opinions don't affect me at all, personally.



Here you go:



MyQueenSindel, off the top of my head, did actually post here not to bitch about the thread, but to talk about the KAK users you can find online. I'm surprised you didn't quote HER and go "ZOMG I KANT BELIVE DA KAKS PISS U OFF!!!111". That's a shocker.

And now what is this? Could it be someone else who doesn't feel the need to annoy, and has actually made a post that counts?



I agree completely. I can't tell you how many times I've been annoyed out of my mind by people either quitting or leaving a match, then using the chat to try and insult me about losing. And when I say "insult" I don't mean they point out something unfair you did. I mean they go "U SUCK U DUNNO HOW TO PLAY RIGHT" and every other variation of that sentence you can think of.

I'm like you. I'll keep fighting for a long time if:

a) I'm losing, but my opponent is a challenge rather than a nuisance.
b) I'm winning constantly, but the person is getting better and better with each fight.
c) Both me and my opponent are having our wins and losses.

ha your funny man
your still jsut complaining

Ok...Nakm, there is one thing to consider. This thread has already been created (the damage has already been done), and the only thing that may or may not become of this thread is it may be closed one day. however, I do agree, this thread should not consist of any type of game play, such as same moves and "cheap" combo usage. Because that's the way the game is played, and basically it's all about adapting to your opponent. Dont get me wrong, I complained when I started playin' online, I was also a "scrub" when I started playing. You may complain about pullers/quiters/cheaters/ and anyting else you may feel you need to rant/vent about. And errigardless of rather it seems as if Nakm is complaining about the thread, that's all over with, but I would say it would be in your best interst to take both mine and Nakms' advise (not that you haven't). Nakm is a good player, he beat me...i'm not the best player, but I can hold my own pretty well, and the reason is, is because I put the way people play behind me, and I stared to "play to win"...Just like Quan Chi, he's all swords, that's the best way to play Quan...not htat i'm a Quan guy, but you should know right then and there, that now people play Quan, so you should learn to adapt to Qauns swords.

And for the record, Scurb, is something, a scrub plays with rules that truely do not exsist. If you play with one pattern, your opponent will adapt to you, rather easily. So just try to think, outside the box, and you should do pretty good, if you play "cheap" with someone who is playing "cheap" that person will NOT complain afterword. Playing to win cosist of anything you have to do to win, if there's only one move that seems to connect, use it, but dont abuse it, cause if you abuse it, your opponent will adapt to that and then your screwed, if you know that move works everytime, use that as much as possible, but throw other htings in it to change things up so he wont really see it coming when you do use it...