I think the one question is that they probably had but wouldn't answer would have been or should have been.
Will WE get a demo on xbox live or the PSN?

well mate, they did fix hotarus haviks, kenshis and quans infinites in the wii version. but thats still no excuse. in fact, kenshis infinite was only fixed for player 1. player 2 can still do it. they also fixed bo rai chos infinite the same way, but they didnt even touch ermacs, kabals, raidens and sonyas on either side. and they knew about ermacs infinite from the information that was given to them. they also attempted to fix jades infinite, but all they did was add the ability to rollout from it.

the only reason its still not a infinite is because jades stances are too slow to walk in fast enough to throw again. khameleons weapon moves in very fast, and is indeed still a infinite. so how much time and effort are they really putting into? nothing else was fixed besides daegons free throw (quans)

and its so much worse then just the infinites/free throws etc. walking up to someone and throwing them and you duck before you get thrown and still get thrown? cmon. and player 1 and player 2 programming? this is just ridiculous! that ultimatly made online unplayable due to player 1 being able to sidestep/have camera advantage while player 2 is left in the cold. and it runs so much deeper then that.

so if youre going to say that fixing online play isnt important, then you got it all wrong, because thats where all the diehard fans such as myself, who love mk more then you could imagine and want the game to play good are...

as dan said, they were given the information. almost all of it. malone asked them about the player 2 glitch and they said they knew nothing about it. so what a difference a simple person ( myself ) could of made to the games CORE programming, let alone "glitches" and infinites that were found the first time after picking a character, and having a second controller to test shit.

but as ive said the past before, its not just me, its the whole community that makes the difference. but im sure if they could pick anyone to do the job, it would be me.

here is the impale:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swZNOw9QTLI

^^^ yet again, a glitch passed down from MKDA. ( not the impale, but the way the glitch is done in the first place since its universal for all characters, just for some sick twisted reason, subzero has this)

other infinites would include meats throw in the corner repeated. his bf 3 off the wall repeated: a infinite passed down from mkd with baraka. chameleon has one of the same.

shinnoks projectile free throw infinite in the corner. any character with ashrahs 111 air combo in first stance in the corner. any character with shang tsungs 332 air combo in the corner. any character with jades 111 air combo in the corner.

wall otgs, free throws, air otgs infinites ( 112cs1 with sareena, kitana, and li mei )

even the alternate costume your character is wearing is programmed different with infinites! sub zeros alternate costume 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 in air. not to mention it only works for player 2!

the list goes on. and instead of them ever reaching out to the person who finds it, they ignore me and everything ive done. i never let it stop me, in hopes of one day, someone would be able to ask them the question: " why not get Check to test your games? "

my friend -Jago- was nice enough to ask them yesterday on midway boards. please help get their attention by supporting his post. you guys know how much this would mean to me. let them know im the man for the job and without my passion for mk, i wouldnt have been able to do what ive done in the past 4 years.

later

Need the link..there's a couple relative threads over there. And I don't see his post in the main//biggest "question thread".

Malone even took a picture of him handing the cd and paperwork to one of the MK team guys at E3 last year.


Other fighting games have glitches and stuff true BUT nothing to the extent of MKD and MKA.

if MKA and MKD is the best that Hector can do then ED BOON needs to find a new game tester.

Check ill look for that post at midway forum and sign it.

if theres any one in the world ed boon needs to hire to test his game its YOU!!

I imagine Hector isn't going to be a testor anymore. Since he is a producer and no longer lead tester.

On the contrary, how do you know exactly that they "ignored" the CD? I don't believe they ignored it, I believe they did their best given the time they had. You have to realize Midway gives MK team a TIME FRAME. Meaning, the game has to be done at that time, finished or not, thus why some games have patches....that's what Midway needs to do since they don't give their MK team enough time to address everything. I highly doubt that they ignored like you say plus the fact that they DID indeed fix a lot of shit that was wrong, glitchy in MKD. Fact.

However, to be fair 's also true that MKA has it's own set of problems, but still everyone that knows anything about gameplay knows that MKA is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYy more playable then MKD anyday. Malone and Check have both said this several times, while some MK players still believe MKD is better...ha, ha yeah right. I think they addressed a lot of shit personally, Smoke is crap in MKA compared to MKD and his throw IMO is too toned down. At times you can't even combo off of it, while other times you can. In MKD you could always combo off of it. And that was one of the BIGGEST complaints about MKD, Smoke's many easy infinites...They fixed a lot of the plants, but there are still some in the game, quan, Hotaru etc. Still, not NEARLY as bad as MKDs......

The AC takes a decent amount of skill....more then MKD's easy glitches anyway, as for fighting games as someone else said and I believe you said it too. Every fighter has a few infinites, glitches etc. I mean hell, most people don't even realize that MVC2 has lots of infinites, Malone also posted a thread concerning every fighter BESIDES MK that has issues....yet some people act as if "it's just MK, ha, ha" No fighter is perfect, Tekken, MK, SF anything....even SSBB has a few infinites.

If a game is not done, you shouldn't release it. What good developers do is delay the game until it is done. Nintendo does that all the time for its game. Quoting Shigeru Miyamoto, the GODFATHER of good video games, "Delaying a game is the best news a player can hear" because it means the game is only going to get better during that time frame. They delayed Smash Bros. Brawl upwards of three or four times, Zelda more times than I can count.

So, really, if the game needs more development time to be a playable, non-broken game, it should be delayed. Yes, there is still a deadline, but if it CAN'T meet that deadline and be a good game, don't release it. Yet Midway knows that even a broken MK game will sell well, so they don't care and they'll release it broken and glitchy anyway under the excuse that "every game has glitches", but GOOD games have very FEW glitches.

well that is why the MK team should cut their ties to Midway and develop their own damn games.

99% of the free throws in MKD are in MKA minus the plant ones.

A/C is very easy to do, just cause you may think its hard, it isnt if i can do it any one can.

your being too much of a fan boy right now. you know damn well how broken mk is. you cant comment on other fighting games like tekken. the broken shit in tekken isnt that bad compared to a MK game. its like comparing apples to oranges.


They clearly ignored the CD, im 99.9% sure they just trashed it w/ out looking at it, thinking they know more then us. which he clearly doesnt since he was "so shocked" that his supposed tested game was good.

you dont allow a throw like sindels to be left in. if they watched the CD this throw would have been removed instantly.
low attacks should not be parriable. this made half the cast unplayable unless your playing a scrub.
Sareena.. do i need to explain??
MOB
you should be able to duck High attacks, instead those high attacks become mid attacks when some one is trying to duck.

KAI & Frost have no real useful MIDs. mids are essential to play the damn game.

THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY THEIR OWN GAME. they need to admit it and say sorry.

dude should of responded w/ sorry i missed those glitches, i/we worked real hard, we will have patches for future MK's if some stuff slips through the cracks again.

instead he acted like his shit dont stink and his work is great.

MKF, the infinites in SSBB are legal in tournament play. There are only a few, but they are legal.

Also, every fighter has a few glitches. But MK has so much more than any other fighter.

You've the points spot on, Dan!

There seems to be an element of arrogance the conduct of Hector.

Predator and Danadbab:

http://forums.midway.com/mortal_kombat_vs_dc_universe/b10806/28684431/p2


^^ i linked you to page 2 because thats where his post is. so far, only deviljin (PS2 Player) has responded on page 4, i believe. Thanks a lot DJ.

Sorry, i gtg, but thank you dan and pred151 for your support!

whether you love me or hate me, do the thing thats right for the game.

thanks again.

I'm no more of "a fanboy" then you are in that sense, but stating facts none the less and points here. I said clear as day if you read my last post that MKA has it's own problems...but they're not NEARLY as bad as MKD, anyone that thinks that is in serious denial....and like I said, Malone, Check etc have also said and supported this as well.

As far as AC being easy or hard, you misread what I said. I said it takes more reasonable amount of skill then the shit in MKD....Check has also said this making his videos when some scrubs would comment on his youtube vids or on here, whereever.....I know some high level players accept using it, others don't. I'm on the other side of the fence about that and am not changing my view for anyone. I've proved to be a damn good player without it, thus I can and will remain to without it. Just a side note, for the players that HAVE to use AC to win would, I'd pay to see them win as much or play as well with a solid ground game. Example of this? Well I won't mention names on xbox but few days ago played someone that flat out sucks from here/MKC....he can only win if he abuses the glitches, AC and 33 me...his ONLY chance. That didn't last long though because I have ways to counter that shit. Or take a certain someone a while ago, he has no solid ground game, but LOVES abusing every glitch out there....this isn't midway's fault, I know they made the game but reason why I say this is because you'll always find cheaters, or people out there trying to abuse every glitch in ANY game to get the edge...to me that's weak.

Me, personally I've done it but feel I don't need it. So, not to sound arrogant or anything but I think it's a "desperate attempt" at getting extra damage, not to be taken the wrong way on Check's part or his vids, he's the combo guy and will discover shit and is posting it to show to everyone. That's great, but I'm referring to players out there that think they're all great yet are only mastering a glitch...I don't need that to win, I'm good enough without that. The only thing I'll take advantage of are FT's which btw in MKA aren't nearly as devastating as they were in MKD since they can simply be parried. Surely you'll agree on that point. Yes?

Point is, Tekken isn't perfect either and is way the fuck overrated if you ask me with "such a great game" if that's the case then answer this, why is it on this side of the world Tekken isn't "as worshiped" as it is in Asia/Japan? I don't care about Tekken, if I did I'd be on a Tekken forum. Not to mention, Namco is beyond stubborn and dumb when it comes to online play. They were the LAST fighter to go online because of "how against online competition" they were...yet they looked foolish seeing every other company going online. Capcom, Midway, Sega, Tecmo etc. Point is, regardless of how someone feels about "online play" it's the WAY to go now. FACT. Nobody is going to travel across country to play someone "offline legitimately" but like I said before, no fighter is "perfect"

MK, SF, other figters in general SOME of which that have problems like MK, SF, SSBB etc ALL HAVE GLITCHES. Not to mention, some people are posting ignorant stuff like as if every MK isn't playable...that's just bs because I'll throw MK2, UMK3, MK:DA and MKA at their face because they are factually playable. Nuff said, are they perfect? Not at all but no fighting game is, SF II isn't perfect, SSBB isn't perfect, Tekken isn't and SC isn't....BTW, @ Subman some are ok at high level play, but do you know Ike's infinite in the corner? Unescapable...my friend did it to me online and you CAN'T escape it....it's bs but fortunately only works on stages with walls. BTW, no only MKA and MKD have a lot of infinites, other MK games don't have nearly that amount or hardly any at all you should know. Just correcting you there ; ) Example, MK, MK2, UMK3, MK4 and MK:DA don't have many infinites and the ones that are in there are tough as hell to pull off like Tekken, MVC2 etc.

But back to Dan, try to understand here that I'm just pointing out other fighters flaws besides MK's as oppose to standing here saying "MK is perfect and that's that" because that's not what I'm saying, but rather pointing out that other fighters HAVE FLAWS besides MK. I don't mind people discussing MK's issues gameplay wise, that's great and I also of course want improvements but at the same time can't help but to laugh at the fact that some people on here act as if certain MK games is the only fighter with some problems when clearly it's not. Talk about fanboys? hmmm that goes on both accounts bias for as well as against...

Now, I agree with Garlador concerning Midway needs to let MK team finish and take their time. I agree, and also being a fan of Nintendo agree ALL game companies have to do this, not just some. That is my one beef with Midway themselves, but still people have to understand that taking shots at the actual MK team and blaming them 100% for it is just retarded, because that's like someone asking you to do your job, say it takes 2 weeks in 1 week and your boss isn't that concerned about "every little thing" just as long as it's ready and good enough to sell regardless. Would you want people blaming you? Umm no...and I woulnd't blame you either. Obviously, you're partially to blame but at the same time anyone logical would understand that you had no choice in the matter....

Also, I think you're over exagerrating Sindel here...I think you're annoyed at the fact that she's not as good as she was in MKD in MKA?: P Yeah, they kept it in but they improved it a little bit. I mean, I admit not the best throw but dude you're obsessing over one character because you're a "fanboy" of that character....I love Ermac and Fujin more then anyone, yet you don't see me complaining about Fujin having his MK4 moves or Ermac SHOULD have had his teleport, because he has other moves to compensate for the none teleport move.....then there's the slower fireball but you know what? I don't care, he still has his projectile and it works good enough. Sareena is definitely super broken with her knives I agree. They have had good testers, I like Paul Garcia and the people they used to have back in the day MK2, UMK3 and MK:DA were done well. Don't care what anyone says, because they're playable and can be played at high level. Even MKA can, at least a lot more then MKD. But like I said, it all comes down to Midway needing to give their testers more time and hire more.


P.S. you obviously never played Malone in MKA's Frost have you?

MKF, stages with walls are allowed, but only as counterpicks. I've never heard of Ike having an infinite, as only a few characters have one. Though, I doubt it's an infinite, you could easily tech out of an enemies attack if they're comboing you into a wall. There are only a few infinites, and most of them are threw grabs, not through attacking an opponent into a wall. Just wall tech, or do a regular tech to get out of the way.

The only infinite I know of is Yoshi's infinite on Wario (though I think it's been proven that you can get out of it.) And I think that the Ice Climbers have some. But I'm getting off topic.

SSBB is not broken, and saying that it has as many glitches as MK is insane. Yeah, MKA isn't as broken as MKD, but it still is broken. And it has many more glitches then the regular fighter. Sure Tekken might have an infinite, but MKA has so many.

His spin move, the sword combo if he does that to you in the corner you can't get out of it.....but there has to be a wall/corner. The friend I'm referring to plays SSBB online at high level, not my friends I play with offline personally. He tech rolls, sheild etc and can't get out of it. If we play sometime, or once I get a wii we will all play you, me and him and let him do it to you, you'll see.

I'm not saying SSBB is broken, but definitely the least balanced/has more infinites then Melee did. Even all the high level SSB players say this on other forums with competitive play, in fact I've read some SSB players that HATE Brawl and love only Melee.

You have to realize is that MVC2 is mega broken, but fun and playable. Same with MKA, lots of characters, broken game but playable. Believe me, the way you play online SSBB I play MKA and then some...it's wayy more playable and better then MKD is, by far. MKD is all 50/50, no defensive options and easy infinites and countless plants that leads to FT/FT infinites. OTG's etc.

MKA only has more glitches(count) because of the amount of characters within the game, in which like I said MVC2 has tons too because there's over 50 characters. Any fighter that has a ridiculous amount will be broken to some point. MKA's problems can be played thru and aren't that big of a deal compared to MKD.

Spin attack, wtf? You mean his nair? And on a corner? Can you please send me a video, I'm interested. And Brawl definately has more infinites that Melee, and is the least balanced of the three, but still, it's fun because it's not broken. I can play as a bottom tier charcter, and take out top tier characters (which I do, Yoshi ftw!) But in MKA, that's pretty tough to do.

Also, MvC is broken as hell, but I think it's way funner that MKA. Just saying.

before i go, let me just make something perfectly clear. a certain person is making up lies about me for no reason on another site. he goes by the name of JTF. he lost a simple argument through PMs about why free throws are a glitch, and afterwards he started personally attack me because he lost the argument, and has hated me ever since.

im sure i dont have to tell you about this psycho, just wanted to make myself clear, that anyone who knows me knows im the most genuine hard working down to earth person youll ever meet.

just want to make that as clear as possible, this person also pretended to be my friend then talk considerable amount of trash about me to another person who let me know about it. again, im sure i dont have to remind you this person is a total psycho who threatened the lives of members of the PAL community and is hated/complety banned from that community for his actions.

peace

Melee is more competitive they say right? I'm not an expert with SSB games but know basic knowledge about them, Melee was fun too. I do think as far as character changes, they did Pika better in Brawl, I think he plays better in Brawl then Melee personally. Yeah, you're right MKA it is difficult to win but not impossible hehe I've done it with Fujin against characters like Drahmin, Noob, Scorp online. Hard as HELL but very possible, just takes patience, smarts and being good with that particular character.

As for MVC being more fun then MKA, matter of opinion. lol I like MKA more personally because it's my preference, some players will always like one fighter over another. I know this one guy that hates SSB, loves SC over everything else, another guy that loves SF over anything else, etc so in that sense definitely matter of preference. Anywho, I just pmed you responding to your question man :) Haaa, you don't have to convince me man. I know all too well about JTF......I rememeber, that's what started him hating me because I told him that MKA is more playable then MKD is, he disagreed and the rest is history. He talks shit about people who disagree with him because he lacks any capacity of posting a valid argument... Only stupid people believe what JTF has to say concerning people he doesn't like or gameplay MKD/MKA. I remember telling him that yeah, you know guys like Malone, Check etc two players very familiar with gameplay in MK first hand have stated this because, he just ignored any facts I posted and continued to flame me......so did he ban you too since you disagreed with him Check or do you just do what I do, trax, atari etc and just don't waste time on his site...

Ya, I know, I was just saying I liked MvC. Also, most of the Pikachus I play now just spam their Thunder Jolt. Annoying as hell because Yoshi's roll sucks >_>

I heard about the Yoshi infinite but every time I've gone online at my friends place, nobody picks him man? lol does he like suck or something?

What's his infinite?

Yeah, a month ago I went online for a few hours with Pika nobody spammed the bolt...but me ha, ha now other people I guess are catching on. It is a little annoying ha, ha. I love it.

Pikachu...that yellow bastard. I just want to tear his guts out. Don't get me fucking started on how much I hate Pika-bitch.

Side note: The only reason I would ever get a Wii is for SSBB, and since my brother is getting a Wii I wont have to get one.

LMAO ^

they fixed what they could, the game was unfixable at that point, with check finding the implae in mka shows that the overall engine is the same for all 3 games, for them to fix it they would have to rewrite the whole script, remember midway has alwasy build there games from scratch, not the case in mkdc, so u will just have to wait and see.

all they have to do was make throws blockable or escapable in the first 4 frames, and fts would not exist.

nothing againist Malone (or bone) but the only frost that was good belonged to Versatile. others needed lag to have her compete.

now about SINDEL~

she is actually better in MKA then in MKD.

in MKD she was a bottom low tier due to her throw being retarded. you clearly have no clue, so watch the video of the shit i had to deal w/ playing as SINDEL in MKD AND MKA. start at the 1:38 time.

im not bitching about special moves or silly nonesense that your yapping about ermac and fujin.

im talking about a throw. when some one throws another person, the thrower should not be punished. throwing prevents some one from over defending and counter attacking. its an unblockable moves that forces players to have to duck or move. throws are important to have in fighting games.

SINDEL HAD NO REAL 50/50 game in MKD AND MKA because of her throw. 3D MK is all about 50/50.

anyone knows something about the engine? are they using the same engine again? sorry haven't been here for a while