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05/04/2008 09:42 PM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
XiahouDun84 Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
True, but it wasn't her choice...

And that changes she used to loyally kill people under orders from Shao Kahn, how..?

And for all we know, until she discovered Shao Kahn wasn't her real father, she might have enjoyed it, too.


Well, depends on the point of view on how you take it.....


I just thought..."Why challenge him about that character?"

lol

Not trying to involve myself in that conversation....I'm just sayin'.
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05/04/2008 10:24 PM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:

From an "assassin's satisfaction" point of view or enjoying their job Kitana is not a true assassin, Mileena is...

Surely you understand what I'm saying. Kitana I'm sure didn't enjoy killing people I'm sure, you also get a better point of view of this in the Conquest series since and first MK movie where based off the game her homeworld Edenia was taken over from her and her parents Sindel and Jerrod....she did it because it was either that or disobey Kahn and lose her own life...

What would you do? lol

Because honestly if she enjoyed killing, then why help Liu Kang and the good guys from trying to prevent Kahn from doing the same to Earthrealm as he did to Edenia.

Kitana grew up believing Shao Kahn was her real father. She never knew anything about Jerrod until much later in her life.

She served Kahn because she was being a loyal daughter and she believed that was her place. Conquest and the movies ignore that aspect of Kitana's character and act like she was always against Kahn. She was only an infant when he conquered Edenia and she grew up genuinely loyal to him until she learned the truth...which only happened somewhat recently.

Just how evil Kitana was would probably depend on how evil Shao Kahn encouraged her to be. Maybe she did only see it as a job...but it's also very possible she enjoyed her work.

She helped Liu Kang and the good guys because she discovered what Kahn did to her real parents and changed herself into a good person. That's the whole point of Kitana's story. Redemption.


Exactly, I always pictured Kitana as a brutal no hold bars assasin, but she turned to the good side which is what makes her very interesting. Kitana isn't a goody two shoes though she has been portrayed as one for a while. But I need to correct you, you said MKC acted like she had "always" been against Kahn which is not true. Yes when we met Kitana in MKC she was against Kahn (though that doesn't make sense because MKC takes place centuries before MK2 and I think MK2 is when Kitana actually finds out about Queen Sindel's suicide)

But anyway, in Episode five, the essence, we first meet Kitana and she seems all good but there is one scene where she throws her fans at Kung-Lao and she replies with "If I wanted to kill you, the first fan would have choped off your head", or something like that. So that kind of hints at Kitana's darker assasin side which Dara Tomovitch played soo well. Proving that she wasn't always against Kahn. As a matter of fact, it seems like in that ep she just found out everything which is why she is soo determined to find the essence of ednia. Also, if I remeber correctly, Kitana was originally going to be the sub-boss in MKD. As we all know Kitana was refrenced ALOT in that game and was even given a new costume and was Onaga's general. I think the reason why they made such a big deal about Kitana being under Onaga's spell than Kung Lao, Sonya ect is because we all know that Kitana was once dark and that maybe a bit of darkness still remains in Kitana.

But MKC isn't a reliable source since they portrayed Mileena as being nothing but a hideus assasin of Kahn's who Kahn gave Kitana's beauty to in order for her to trick the earth warriors and kill Kung Lao. But Mileena starts to fall for Kung-Lao and starts to forget about who she really is until shes exposed and is banished back to outworld where Kahn takes away part of her beauty (her mouth) and leaves the rest then he throws her a veil to cover her disfigured mouth. But we all know that Mileena was created as a clone of Kitana by Shang Tsung at Kahn's request, but something went wrong and Mileena wnded up being mixed with tarkatan, that bit has never really been explained. Anyway, Mileena and Kitana were then brought up as "sisters".
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05/05/2008 02:00 AM (UTC)
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I started wearing the MK vs DC sig again.
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mkflegend
05/07/2008 12:55 AM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:

From an "assassin's satisfaction" point of view or enjoying their job Kitana is not a true assassin, Mileena is...

Surely you understand what I'm saying. Kitana I'm sure didn't enjoy killing people I'm sure, you also get a better point of view of this in the Conquest series since and first MK movie where based off the game her homeworld Edenia was taken over from her and her parents Sindel and Jerrod....she did it because it was either that or disobey Kahn and lose her own life...

What would you do? lol

Because honestly if she enjoyed killing, then why help Liu Kang and the good guys from trying to prevent Kahn from doing the same to Earthrealm as he did to Edenia.

Kitana grew up believing Shao Kahn was her real father. She never knew anything about Jerrod until much later in her life.

She served Kahn because she was being a loyal daughter and she believed that was her place. Conquest and the movies ignore that aspect of Kitana's character and act like she was always against Kahn. She was only an infant when he conquered Edenia and she grew up genuinely loyal to him until she learned the truth...which only happened somewhat recently.

Just how evil Kitana was would probably depend on how evil Shao Kahn encouraged her to be. Maybe she did only see it as a job...but it's also very possible she enjoyed her work.

She helped Liu Kang and the good guys because she discovered what Kahn did to her real parents and changed herself into a good person. That's the whole point of Kitana's story. Redemption.


Ohh yeah I hear what you're saying I know, but I believe deep down(given her overall character) she never "enjoyed" killing and was only following orders since she was deceived herself, plus knowing that all who defy Kahn dies ultimately.

You're right Conquest/Movies took the post events of Kitana/Kahn relationship, but they also give us an idea of her character and give the fans an idea if she enjoyed being "her daughter" or not among orders. I suppose we'll never "really" know if she enjoyed killing for Kahn or not but I get the vibe she didn't like doing it being mislead and all....It's a similar story with Ermac, except he wasn't lied to like Kitana but rather being controlled. He's now good because of redemption too but they do share some similarities being ex-assassins for Kahn.

Redemption is definitely part of her story, but also the fact to help out Liu and Earthrealm because she doesn't/didn't want to see the same fate happen to Earthrealm as it did Edenia at Shao Kahn's hand.
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05/07/2008 03:11 AM (UTC)
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ThePredator151 Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
XiahouDun84 Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
True, but it wasn't her choice...

And that changes she used to loyally kill people under orders from Shao Kahn, how..?

And for all we know, until she discovered Shao Kahn wasn't her real father, she might have enjoyed it, too.


Well, depends on the point of view on how you take it.....


I just thought..."Why challenge him about that character?"

lol

Not trying to involve myself in that conversation....I'm just sayin'.


LOL, that’s exactly what I thought, but hey, MKF does have a point. I also don’t think that Kitana ever “enjoyed” killing or had any “satisfaction” for that, but who knows? Anyway, not trying to involve myself into that conversation either.

BTW, Xia, I find your sig hot, it looks awesome! Did you draw them? (if so, good job!), though I do have a question: I find it rather ironic that you, out of all people, would use the term “princesses” when everything you’ve been complaining about Kitana practically goes around that title.

Is it convenient? Or was it convenient to do it just to link Kitana with Wonderwoman? Or was it just because?

Just asking! I'm curious.
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mkflegend
05/07/2008 03:15 AM (UTC)
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm not trying to "out fan X" in terms of Kitana fan lol, I know he's the most loyal Kitana fanatic just like I am with Fujin... just stating my own views on Kitana based on what I've seen not only within the MK games but the overall portraying of the character til this point.
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05/07/2008 03:38 AM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:
LOL, that’s exactly what I thought, but hey, MKF does have a point. I also don’t think that Kitana ever “enjoyed” killing or had any “satisfaction” for that, but who knows?

Of course you don't. That could make Kitana interesting...and we can't have that, can we queve..?tongue


queve Wrote:
BTW, Xia, I find your sig hot, it looks awesome! Did you draw them? (if so, good job!), though I do have a question: I find it rather ironic that you, out of all people, would use the term “princesses” when everything you’ve been complaining about Kitana practically goes around that title.

Is it convenient? Or was it convenient to do it just to link Kitana with Wonderwoman? Or was it just because?

Just asking! I'm curious.

I didn't draw them, just colored them.

Aside from the convenience of them both being warrior princesses who are my favorite characters and icons...they are fairly similar in personality. Although Wonder Woman is warmer and more compassiontate that Kitana is.
The irony of the situation was not lost on me, but I figure the "assassin" label balances it out. Besides, I only really get flared up when she's written off as the antiquated "princess" stereotype or it impedes her story or development.

And if you really want to get into semantics....in the comics, the Amazons dissolved the monarchy. So Wonder Woman actually isn't a princess anymore.


But at the end of the day....it's a just a fucking sig after all.
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05/10/2008 01:29 AM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
queve Wrote:
LOL, that’s exactly what I thought, but hey, MKF does have a point. I also don’t think that Kitana ever “enjoyed” killing or had any “satisfaction” for that, but who knows?

Of course you don't. That could make Kitana interesting...and we can't have that, can we queve..?tongue



Sorry if giving my opinion sounded like I was trying to put Kitana down, I didnt mean that. Really, just like you like to think its possible, I see Kitana a lot more warmer and *real* then that. But like I said, who knows? And as added side note, whatever the case: that wouldnt make her any more interesting or any more boring for *me*, so I dont see whats the deal.

I do think Kitana rocks in her way. I might not like her as much as other females, but that doesnt mean I underrate/hate her, because I do like what she gives. She rocks.

queve Wrote:
BTW, Xia, I find your sig hot, it looks awesome! Did you draw them? (if so, good job!), though I do have a question: I find it rather ironic that you, out of all people, would use the term “princesses” when everything you’ve been complaining about Kitana practically goes around that title.

Is it convenient? Or was it convenient to do it just to link Kitana with Wonderwoman? Or was it just because?

Just asking! I'm curious.

I didn't draw them, just colored them.

Aside from the convenience of them both being warrior princesses who are my favorite characters and icons...they are fairly similar in personality. Although Wonder Woman is warmer and more compassiontate that Kitana is.
The irony of the situation was not lost on me, but I figure the "assassin" label balances it out. Besides, I only really get flared up when she's written off as the antiquated "princess" stereotype or it impedes her story or development.

And if you really want to get into semantics....in the comics, the Amazons dissolved the monarchy. So Wonder Woman actually isn't a princess anymore.


But at the end of the day....it's a just a fucking sig after all.


Ah, I see.

Pretty coloring btw.
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05/10/2008 02:05 AM (UTC)
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The monarchy being dissolved was forgotten/retconned by Amazons Attack.

Yeah, I know, terrible, terrible story. But it still happened. Hippolyta's queen again and thus, Diana's a princess again.
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