he meant the christian bale version of batman.

Oh, I see. My bad

shouldnt this be in the Universal VS. thread?

Anyways, Sub-Zero all the way.

Yeah IF Batman has time, I think people assume too much if Batman is nightprowling and Sub pops out of nowhere ummm he won't do much other then match in in martial arts, but with powers all Batman will do is hope to dodge Sub's ice blasts otherwise he won't do much, but against Mr. Freeze that can work rather easily...against Subby not so much...apples and oranges. Or more like Apples and grapes...lol

And the only way anyone can defeat Supes is with Magic or Green K, so Bats would NEED Green K or be super dead in no time flat. Or unless your name is Doomsday in which both him and Supes came back from the dead anyway.

I honestly think Batman vs. Spider-Man has a better chance then Batman vs. Sub

No ploblem

I thought I smelled logic.

But taking these points further, I think people forget that much of batman's power comes from:

A) Foreknowledge of enemies

B) Technology he only has contingent access to.

And that's the keyword: contingent. Superman essentially has superhuman strength; Batman doesn't essentially have kryptonite. People who THINK Batman would defeat Subzero probably assume he has the above advantages. Well, that's fucking stupid. All the intelligence on the planet isn't going to help you if you can't rig the circumstances prior to battle.

In the end, Batman's real power comes from fandom, and even THAT'S contingent.

batman vs spiderman .......... are u serious?

spiderman is a man with super human strength enough to lift up to 20 tons(even more with the symbiote suit), jump several stories high and far, run walk crawl dance or whatever he wants to do on walls, accelerated healing abities and pain tolerance, and webs as hard as steel, along with his spider sense he would know what batman is going to do before he does himself.

bottomline it seems to be a stupid pointless fight that would only be won by batman if it was done by fan votes and everyone who voted was drunk.

Sub-Zero should win everytime. Sub-Zero would absolutely win the first encounter.....and seeing as how Sub-Zero kills people. That's all she wrote for Batman. There wouldn't be a "prep-time" to consider cuz if you fight Sub-Zero and loose....you die. lol

Looking at Sub-Zero, he's practically equal to Ras Al Ghul+IceMan in one character. More and more like Iceman IF his body continues to freeze like his arms have with knowledge and mastery of cryomancy. And he's the grandmaster of his own clan of "ninjas", similar to Ras had been. Sub-Zero's also, the equivalent to Batman in terms of being able to overcome any obstacle or adversary with the same condition people give Batman. "Prep-Time". You don't "beat" Sub-Zero either....

So, yea, Batman can theoretically "beat anybody with prep time". But, he can't beat many(or any) characters of equal or higher caliber without prep-time. That's not really a unique quality to have anyway. You give anybody time to get gadets, and set traps and shit and they'd win all the time too. So I'd even argue that Sub-Zero is exactly the same in that aspect.

Sub-Zero's a higher caliber character in my opinion, he's got more of an arsenal to deal with than Batman initially does. Inherently anyway.

Seeing as how these characters would be introduced to eachother for the first time ever with this game, Batman would get his ass whipped....and frozen.....and killed. Too much to deal with at one time, for the first time, from one opponent, for Batman.

However, like TUName stated, fandom would probably dictate a swing against the logic.

Did you read Temp's post concerning Batman? Who's to say Bats WILL automatically have Green K? If he knows Superman is hunting him, perhaps but since Superman is ummm Super.....he just has to sucker punch or sneak up behind Bats, speed behind him and end of story.

As for Batman vs. Spider-man yes, and are you aware that Batman has defeated much stronger foes over the years in terms of "strenght" plus you just kind of contradicted yourself...you said "Batman can even defeat Superman if he tried" yet you claim "Spider-man will defeate Batman"

Ummm, that makes absolutely no sense seriously....speaking as how Superman would kill Spider-man with ease if he wanted to, and yet you're saying Batman would defeat Spider-man over Superman? I think not and smell some marvel fanboyism here....

So, with that being said yes I would think Batman would stand a better chance against Spider-man, remember Batmans gadgets can do damage and I'll bet anything they'll do more damage against Spider-man then against Sub-Zero...all Subby has to do is go nuts with his freezing abilitys or freeze Batman's weapons, Spiderman's webs can be cut and dealt with easier then pure Ice.

Let's look at it straight.

Sub-Zero:
Normal human except for having the ability to freeze things.

Martial Artist with an understanding, possible mastery, of two styles.

Bruce Wayne:
Normal human. Mastery of every martial art known to man.

Has fought someone with abilities similar to Sub-Zero's.

Personally knows someone with powers exactly the same as his (Tora Olafsdotter a.k.a. Ice, a member of the Justice League), and has tailor made tactics to defeat her if she went rogue.

Has devices designed to hinder or disable people in general.

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Assuming this is just a straight up fight, with no gadgets, Sub-Zero would probably put up a decent fight, but Bruce has got him beat. First, Bruce would not only know exactly what fighting styles SubZ is using, he would know what styles counter them. SubZ's freezing powers would barely be a factor as he has fought Mister Freeze and knows the abilities of Ice (Tora Olafsdotter).

If Bruce had his gadgets it would be a slaughter.

Sub-Zero would also know how to fight against Batman's styles due to the fact that he's probably faced most of them. He also is alot stronger than Mr. Freeze and combines fighting and freezing unlike Mr. Freeze. Batman needs preperation to beat most of his opponents, and since they'd meet at a random time the chances are Batman wouldn't be ready for Sub. Sub has faced people with far more dangerous weapons than Batman has in his arsenal, so a "slaughter" is far from correct, unless we're talking about what Sub will do to Bats.

Well, Sub would totally own Ice so I'd say comparing the two is irrelevent honestly. Now Ice and Frost is better....Sub is by far better and more powerful then both of them.

Also, Sub has mastered more then 2 styles remember MK:DA and MKD....plus again comparing Mr. Freeze to Sub-Zero is like comparing holding an Ice Cube for 5 minutes to frost bite.....simply a horrible comparison. Freeze is nothing once his suit gets damaged and how hard is that seriously?

And let's not forget Sub is trained to killl(from childhood), to be stealthy and swift just like Batman is. Interesting point DB concerning Sub facing most of those styles since chances are he has fought against many styles, yet survived every ordeal...

Doubtful, since, prior to defecting he was an assassin, not a warrior, so it is unlikely he's had the opportunity to take on every single fighting style known to man.



Which is why I mentioned Ice, who basically has all of the abilities of Frost, who is basically a less experienced female SubZ.



Actually, no he doesn't. The vast majority of villains he encounters he beats the first time out. The whole planning thing is used for people who should be able to beat him out and out or people he's fought before that have come up with their own plan to beat him.



Except for the fact that, since the guy is walking around with frozen arms, and since batman has dealt with a grand total of four ice themed villains (Mr. Freeze, Captain Cold, Killer Frost, and Icicle) and worked alongside two (Ice and IceMaiden), he'd have a pretty good idea of what the guy can do. SubZ doesn't have anything that is going to surprise Bruce, he fights and he freezes, both are things Bruce can deal with easily. Unless SubZ fights on the level of Sensei (Ra's father), he's not winning.



SubZ has dealt with people with far deadlier weapons in their arsenal, that doesn't make them more efficient. Bruce's objective in the fight would be to neuitralize SubZ, not kill him, and his devices are quite good at that. Likely better at neutalizing then everyone else's are at killing.

Hell, if we're talking about being in character it wouldn't even be a fight. Bruce wouldn't let him know he was there, and when he needs to be neutralized Bruce would likely drop a flash-bang, or smoke grenade, and then bola and cuff SubZ.

SubZ has no advantage in this fight, so he is, in no way, the favorite to win, let alone likely to be "slaughtering" Bruce. Not even his physical attacks are going to have their usual kick since Bruce's suit is armored and reinforced.

Yes but from what I understand Batman's freezing don't have the same fighting skill, I may be wrong. However Sub has both fighting and the ability to freeze, all that he needs to do is apply both to keep Batman from being able to hit him.

Fighitng through other kombatants would give SubZ an idea of what Batman can do. Having beaten several powerful opponents wouldn't just be disregardded when going against Batman, he'd apply what he learned and strategies that helped him before.

I don't think it's been said if Batman's suit is armored or if it's just the way the suit is sewn, correct me if I'm wrong on this though. You'd think Icearms would hurt more if you got punched by them, so perhaps even if it was armored that would counter-act it a bit.

okay you have a point on the gadgets being for incapacitation, but even then Sub might not give him the chance in an up-close fight.

Captain Cold and Mr. Freeze aren't fighters, Icicle and Killer Frost are. The problem with fighting and freezing at the same time is that SubZ can;t do that. He has to stop moving to freeze things that he isn't touching as far as we've seen. That makes him a bit less efficient than the likes of KF. However, neither of them are trained martial artists. However, Ice is.



Believe me there is a HUGE difference between fighting 500 people, each knowing a different Martial art, and fighting one person that knows 500 martial arts. Batman has the ability to adapt to anything SubZ can throw at him, and is also able to switch up while fighting to keep him offbalance and unable to figure out any patterns or weaknesses. This is what makes Batman so hard to beat in a fight.



His suit has been armored for a very long time, and the spine was reinforced after Bane broke Bruce's. The knuckles of the gloves and heels of the boots are also armored (which means they inflict more damage when he punches and kicks, as well as delivers less recoil).

About the Ice Arms, yes, that would hurt more, but not enough to totally nullify the armor.



Oh, once they're engaged in combat, it is unlikely he would even try, I was talking about prior to them getting up-close and personal.

I'm going Sub-Zero biased here since there is too mnay Batman biased people here, I like to favor the less popular.

Sub-Zero is trained to kill and destroy, I'm pretty sure Batman wouldn't kill Sub-Zero first time if he had a chance which is a BIG disadvantage.

All it takes... is one freeze and Batman is DEAD. Mr. Freeze is a joke compared to Sub-Zero, so people stop comparing the two, it's like comparing Scorpion and charmander, it's a joke.

Sub-Zero has so many special moves to his advantage:

Ground freeze- Wow now Batman can't walk on several areas of the ground, big disadvantage.

Ice Clone- So much for Batman's close attacks or gadgets.

Ice Pillar- It's so unpredictable I bet Batman would fail to see it coming first time and he's pretty much dead...

Freeze Ball- Run Batman, run! Need I say more?

Slide- Sub-Zero would devastate Batman with this move as it's fast, and also nifty for getting under and through Batman's projectiles.

Cold Shoulder- Sub-Zero can chains this out of combat so Batman better be prepared.

Icy FIngers- SUB-ZERO'S BEST MOVE, if Sub lays a hand on Batman with anything combat or grab Batman is done because sadly he'll get frozen and shattered into a bloody ice corpse, so easy to kill humans these days.

I got a lot more on Sub, but yeah pretty much batman has got such a big disadvantage, Sub can win so easily.

Like I said earlier, pretty much all the MK characters have super-human strength. Not just from Fatalities, but the movies and cut-scenes, just the overall portrayal clearly shows them to be far above humans in terms of raw strength. Simply though, tearing out the spine of a normal person requires machine like levels of strength.

Batman is at peak human ability. He's able to bench several hundred kilos, and run as fast as a top athlete, but he's not what you'd describe as superhuman; he won't be punching anyone's head off.

Sub-Zero would win because boon said that MK characters and DC characters will start popping up randomly in eachother's universe. So I believe if out of no where Sub-Zero pops up in Gotham I think he would mop the floor with Batman. I mean Sub-Zero has mastered his ice abilities and on top of that he has so many of them, like the other poster said, he got ground ice ect. He deffinatly could defeat Batman.

Ice Shatter anyone? Nuff said

I say Sub-Zero would win simply because Batman's skills are so enormous to be completely unbelievable. His character is written to be theoretically invincible, which I don't buy at all. He knows every martial arts style, is a peak athlete, vastly skilled in technology and so intelligent that could outwit anybody, he can and will defeat every opponent, including people with superhuman abilities: what else? Also considering that he was not trained since childhood, he had to be an extremely gifted man, to become such a miracle while finding the time to live a second life as well. Way too much, if you ask me.
Batman may be sympathetic and have good stories, but please. Just please. EDIT: As someone mentions Mr. Freeze... Can he defeat a section of the Tarkatan army by himself?

I have to say that I agree with TheAdder all the way. Not saying it will be an easy/one sided fight (quite the contrary, I think it'll be quite brutal and not short)... however, in the end, I have no doubt that Batman would be the winner. (For all of the reasons that TheAdder has already mentioned.)

Naruto would totally kick both of their asses. Believe it!

He only sleeps an hour a day.

Do you realize how fucked up his movements would be if that was the case?

I'll go for Sub Zero, although Batman has taken out Mr. Freeze before.