No it isn't. Can you escape it? Yes. So escape it. What's the problem? If you're not good enough to escape it then it's not his fault you suck, it's yours. Keep practising until you stop sucking enough to escape. That's how good players get good in any fighting game; not by running away from the tactics which are difficult to overcome, but by confronting them head on and getting owned until you become good enough to overcome them so that they're not a problem anymore.

Likewise, if your favorite character has something spammable and difficult to deal with then by all means spam the shit out of it. If it's escapable but your opponent isn't good enough to escape it, it's not your problem, it's his. Enjoy your wins until your opponents get good enough to escape. Then when he does, find a way to prevent him from escaping. Then when he figures out how to escape that, find another. The more counter tactics you can discover for each other, the deeper the game is, the better you're becoming as a player, the better everyone else is being forced to become, and the more the game's community thrives. Everybody wins.

On the other hand if you just complain about players being "cheap" and refuse to fight them then you're not going to reach those layers of depth and you'll never improve. You lose out and the game's community loses out.

Yeah, well Smash Bros. has its own set of problems. The fanbase is pretty high up on the list along with Sakurai crippling the rushdown in Brawl. And this is coming from someone who loves Melee and doesn't think poorly of Brawl.

If something is that abusable and dominant then it's the designers' fault for making it that way. Demand a better and more balanced product for the sequel. If spammers are that effective then you know what? The game probably sucks so you may as well stop playing. Right now in MK vs. DC there are moves that are dominant but I haven't seen much that comes off as genuinely stupid like Dairou's Tombstone Drop. Which, btw, was more than enough to render Deception a terrible game.

What's your PSN ID?

Vash, I agree with you. If people wanna be cheap asses then get their names out and people will want to avoid them. This of course won't change their opinions but it will make the game more enjoyable for others who would rather have a competitive match then a "cheap" fest. You can cry "learn the skillz" of the game but some people don't have lifetimes to invest in their games to becom the ultimate Mortal Kombat"er".

Some people would like to play the game on occasion and have some fun while doing it. In no way shape or form do I wanna waste my time with someone that is so obsessed with his W/L record online that he/she has to be a cheap ass to pad his stats. I know this won't change any of the players minds b/c like I said, they are too obsessed with "winning online" to care about being cheap or not.

If people are sooooo serious about winning and losing online their should be some gentleman's rules that are in place so the game can be competitive and fair at the same time. Why do you think people were outraged with the Pats coach filming coaching signals for the defense? B/c it was cheap and harmed the integrity of the sport. Well, I guess there is no integrity with "gamers", it is only about the W/L record and Live scores... After all, MK vs DC was made to see who could be the best "cheap ass" not about fun or enjoying the experience.

^^^ lol "Learn the game. Don't complain."

Yo, sup TTT, long time bro!

Just curious about your thoughts on MKDC. I don't play anything anymore, 100% school / career / relationship focused now, lol. Though, over thanksgiving my buddy is going to pick it up so I figured It wont hurt to put a few games in.

Did I see a run option in a vid? Cancel options? Are the pro moves a legit resource? How's movement in general? Who should I whore?

Hope things are well for you bro. Take it easy and have a great holiday! :thumbs-up:

Oh, and concerning spam...again, deal with it. EVERYBODY has patterns, even the high level korean player with a 100+ win streak. Be patient, quite complaining, break down your game, learn what you're doing wrong, fix it, then punish that SOB!

Umm....I haven't lost much.

Raiden. Tag is ThePredator151

Xbox360 -Rank match rank is 200-something. I think I'm like 60 something matches total, 50 something wins, and about 12 losses. Started at 13,000 something 2 days ago.

haha....I don't even play that much, and I do not spam any move.

*gets online right now*



Whew! I remember that sig...long time no see.

Sup homie! "waves"

Exactly, being a Smash player myself, this shit really pisses me off.

You "LOL" b/c you are the type of gamer that just spams to get a "W". That is fine if you wanna have all your "W"s be cheap ass and empty victories. I wanna play the game to have fun not constantly attacked by some cheap shit that requires a .005 second reaction time to escape.

Hell, I don't even play online anymore b/c of little snotty nose kids that think a "W" is so important to winning that they are cheap. You call it complaining and I call it the truth. If you LOL at it, you are one of those people...

Since you are one of those people, would you care to explain why an online MK game is so important that you must spam a move to get a "W"? Obviously you have a reason, does it make you feel validated for some reason? Did you get cut from the competitive D&D team so you want revenge?

As far as the "learn to adapt" and you will get better and that will make me get better... Bull SHIT! To become better at anything you don't constantly do the same thing over and over again if it is a weakness to your opponent. If you are trying to get better, you take that out of your arsenal and learn some new tactics. Like in real fighting, if you are trying to get better at boxing for example and you have the most devastating right hook in the world and KO everyone with it. If you wanna get better at your overall game, then you don't throw that left and KO people, you actually learn to box or in context, learn to play the game. Sorry to use a real world example in video game-dom...

It doesn't mean your good if you constantly repeat a move and if you need to do that, don't kid yourself, you aren't any good. Most of you guys are probably the type that spams until they start to lose then quite halfway through the round b/c your W?L is so importnant... You LOL, I call "LOSER".

Oh, man, long time no see. Let me be the first to say that so far this game hasn't shown me anything that screams it's bad. It isn't the golden goose we've wanted all this time but it does seem to be pretty solid. The sad part is that it came 6 years too late. We should have been playing this engine in MK:DA.

There is running. Double tap forward. A few special moves have cancelling. Raiden's lighting attacks can be charged and during the charging you can cancel out of it. The pro moves are useful. Movement is a lot more fluid than the vids show. If you watch the vids the animation doesn't look that much better than the last few games but for whatever reason it "feels" better when you play. So far I've been Shazamming people to death with Captain Marvel (who has the most satisfying moves to hit with) but The Flash, Scorpion, and Sub-Zero are all incredibly good. The Flash might be a little too good.



There's a difference between playing to win and outright cheating. If these people online were using Action Replay codes to get infinite life or something like that then I'd agree with you. But if so-called "cheap tactics" bother you so much, why are you playing a fighting game at all where the whole purpose is to improve your own game to defeat these tactics?

And I'll repeat: If the game doesn't give you the tools to defeat these "cheap tactics" then the game probably sucks balls so why are you playing it instead of something better?

Besides, in case you weren't watching, the Pats lost when it mattered. So despite the Pats trying to take advantage of the game, the Giants developed a better playing tactic and won. Do you think they would have proven themselves the better team if all they did was complain and whine about "fairness"? They sucked it up, got in the zone, and kicked ass.



And that is the reason you'll never be a good player at this game or any fighting game. You'd rather complain and expect others to cripple their own tactics rather than develop your own tactics to defeat theirs. Shifting the blame might make you feel better but it won't help you get better.



Don't you get that it's the game's fault if that's the case? If I make a fighting game where every character does 10% damage with a jab except one character who does 50% damage with a jab then if people abuse that one character and never lose because of that jab then guess what? I just made a bad fighting game and you'd be a fool to waste your time playing it. If you choose to play it then you have to deal with the shitty design. You can't blame the player for taking advantage of an unbalanced move. Just play a better game if you want "fairness."

That being said, I haven't seen much in this game that qualifies as broken (at least not broken enough where there are no answers) so your argument is moot at this point.

I was playing online last night and someone was Shao Kahn! I didn't even know that was possible online.

This thread only makes me want to avoid one person online - The topic starter.

Because, seriously, if you can't defeat a noob, and you have to go to the boards in efforts to get people to cast away the noob...well...that's not good lol

BTW, who sucks more, a spammer, or the person who can't even realize the simple technique the spammer is using to dodge/block/counter the spammer and defeat them?

The game is made for entertainment purposes. If you aren't getting paid to do it then why take the game so seriously? Does your W/L record online in a video game mean that much to you? I don't go online anymore b/c I play the game to enjoy it not to have some cheap ass suck out all the fun of the game b/c they use a cheap tactic. Can I overcome this tactic? Maybe? But I think most people have better things to do then to figure out that small window to execute a counter move.

I know I won't change any minds so I don't give a shit. I play the game to have fun and apparently (to some people) video games are more important than real life and the only way to feel like you accomplished something in life is to spam an attack and beat people cheaply so you can "LOL" and say you "Uber PWN3D" this kid online! It was mad $1CK!!!

The people who disagree with spamming being cheap are either 1) Spammers themselves that only care about the "W" or 2) People that have enough time on their hands that can actually play 40+ hours a week to get some mad wicked MK skills... I am neither but can tell there are a lot of spammers on this board and are proud of it none the less...

As far as the Pats go, THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS and yes other PROFESSIONALS still complained and the Pats were called out b4 the Super Bowl even happened so your "sucking it up point" is irrelevent...

Just because you want to improve at something doesn't mean it ceases to be entertainment. In fact, playing to win is the entertainment. Do you play to lose?



You're conflating two very different concepts. A person who gets stomped in a game yet learns from his mistakes is more likely to avoid getting stomped the same way next time. A person who gets stomped in a game and complains about cheapness will only continue to get stomped. I don't care if my record is 1000/0 or 0/1000. What's important is the learning aspect. I can't have fun playing a fighting game if I'm not willing to learn the game.

If you aren't willing to learn the game why are you playing it? And don't say for entertainment because that's bull since nobody is entertained if all they do is lose. Super Mario Bros. is entertaining but it wouldn't be so fun if all you do is run into the first goomba every single time. Then it just gets tedious and annoying. Eventually you have to learn how to jump over that first goomba before you can have any real fun. Overcoming challenges is what a lot of games are about. This is especially true for fighting games.



So you'd rather just play the A.I. because you don't have to learn anything else about the game and can easily win with a limited skill set. You can call everyone else cheap all day long. That doesn't change the fact that you're just being lazy and are unwilling to put forth the effort to learn how to play better. If you genuinely don't want to improve then that's fine. Nobody is saying you have no choice but to invest more time into the game. But just because you don't want to learn it doesn't make the people who do learn it cheaters.

I'll get my ass handed to me at chess if I play someone with even a moderate level of skill. I just don't care enough about chess to learn the game any more than I already have. But if I do get my ass beat I'm not going to call my opponent "cheap" since that's a childish thing to do. I'm just not good enough at the game. Plain and simple. If I wanted to get better then I would.



Not with your current mentality, no. You have to want to improve before you actually will.



Again, why are you playing a fighting game? What you just said is akin to me saying "Maybe I could get better at basketball but I have better things to do then figure out how to get this ball into that hoop." You're complaining about a core element of the genre; developing strategies.



Ooh, tough guy. Use the real life pseudo-argument to make yourself feel better if you want but that's really all you're doing, making yourself feel better. It's a mental pattern you're stuck in. No offense, just making a point. You complain about cheapness in a fighting game because it makes you feel better to shift the blame on those people rather than admit you just weren't skilled enough to win and challenge yourself to improve. "It's their fault rather than mine."

Then when you're challenged on this you do the exact same thing. You try to make yourself feel better. "I have a real life. These people who are better at the game must not have lives and spend years doing nothing but play video games." It's all just blame shifting. The reason I bring this up is because if you don't shake this thought pattern it actually will start affecting your real life. Nobody likes someone who tries to point the finger at everybody else. People get fired from real jobs because of that.



Again, making yourself feel better. Let me ask you something, if winning isn't important to you then why do you care if you lose to a spammer? Losing isn't fun, is it? So it's clear that you want to win. You just fail to realize that it's your outlook that's holding you back rather than any innate skill or lack thereof. And just so you know, few people spend 40+ hours a week doing anything except maybe working. Certainly not on video games. The best players are the best often because they're good strategists and have a mentality that says "if I lose then it's my fault." No blame shifting. They suck it up, get in the zone, and learn from their mistakes.



The complaints wouldn't have mattered if the Pats beat the Giants. They would have been the champions, cheaters or not. The Giants did suck it up and got in the zone. They knew that everything rode on that game and no amount of complaining was going to help them. But it doesn't matter because your Patriots reference is a bad analogy. The Patriots were outright cheating. Spamming a move online is not cheating. Pulling out someone's controller would be. There's a difference. I sincerely hope you can see that.

All I see in you is a pattern of blame shifting. "It's not my fault. I just want to have fun. But I can't have fun if these people won't let me win!" Does that sound like something a mentally mature person would say? Be honest.

I complain about spammers, but I still beat them. I just think it's annoying as hell. Can anyone say that it's fun playing a spammer?

I don't know if I'd say "fun" or "not fun" is the proper term. The reason is this: Have you ever seen high level play in any fighting game? In general, it's pretty boring. Look up high level Super Street Fighter II Turbo matches. If you see a high level Sagat player you'll notice all you see are Tiger Shots being thrown out. It's a little more involved than that but on the surface all you see is projectile spamming from him.

i was just about to say isn't the point of online is to play different people with different varied styles of play. not just spamming the same move over and over again.

I play high level smash, but that's not exactly a proper fighter. I've seen high level tekken games, but then again you can't spam projectiles in that game. So I guess I've never seen a high level fighter with spammable projectiles before =\

Confucius say, "Indiana Jones not duck in temple, head get impaled by spear."

High level play is just that, high level. It's using your best tools in the best ways. Even high level Smash Bros. has a relative lack of variety. You ever see a genuinely good Ganon player use that slow ass charge kick where he holds his foot over his head for a minute and a half? Of course not. Because the move sucks and would never be useful in any situation nobody who knows how to play Ganon would use it. If a character's best option is projectile spamming or something like that then I guarantee that's what the best players are going to do. They aren't going to reduce their chances of winning in the name of "variety" or something like that.

I'm just using the Ganon example because I play him a lot. But I can use Mario, too, as he's my main. I rarely make use of the Mario Tornado. It's just less useful in most situations than other moves in his arsenal. And F.L.U.D.D. in Brawl is absolutely pointless. He might as well not have the move at all.

I've seen FLUDD work before. FLUDD + Cape Glide = Super gimp

and I know what high level play is. I just hate spammers

Then never play Super Turbo at high level. Fireball traps, projectile spamming, it has it all.

Someone needs to start a gameplay/tier list discussion thread soon because it could really help the community get a better understanding of high level fighters and what tier lists are.

Anyone gonna start one soon?

why am i not surprised a thread like this showed up from players at MKO.

not surprised at all, learn how to play the game.