Iceman

No he doesn't lol, subby with the dragon medallion is ultra powerful plus, fighting skills wise iceman would get owned by subby hands down.

Also, you never saw MK:C where they portrayed Sub-Zero's origin of his powers from his ancestry have you?He's literally in a block of ice then busts out of it, so sub can freeze himself also he just doesn't do it that much.

Iceman is a mutant, yes indeed but Sub-Zero it's in his blood literally, his ancestry passed down the power to him, without the Dragon Medallion it's a toss up but since he has the Medallion, he ages faster however it also gives him insane power in the process.

Iceman would have to depend on his powers for sure, sub on the other hand has his powers plus lots of martial arts skill which Iceman does not have at all.He would get hurt in an up close fight by Sub-Zero.

Also, in MK:M Sub-Zero they show everyone what Sub-Zero can do that he doesn't do in the regular fighters, he's got some sweet powers(and that was the oldschool one) not the good sub-zero which is more powerful with the dragon medallion.

But Lets see, so far from movie life of these characters you have Iceman(bobby) vs. Sub-Zero(MK one) or MK2 or the Sub-Zero in the TV show which was badass also, now please don't tell me that Iceman would beat either of those three sub-zero's in a fight, he would get seriously owned.

When I saw X-men I was like WTF is this?This is Iceman? LOL....he freezes a wall and a pond , big deal.The best part of Iceman in the movies was when he fought Pyro which he just barely won also btw.

Iceman's abilites are Sub-Zero's on steroids.
Again, that's if Sub-Zero USED his abilities.
One thing he's not is stupid.
okay dab what if
it was a straight up fight in a circle arena
you step out you lose
you use eveyrthing at your disposal
all your powerrs and abilities
Probably Iceman, then.




I win.

Nope.

Sub-Zero is stronger physically and has a big sword as well as being able
to tear out spines with the skulls still intact.

Subbie whould win.

I don't believe so, again Sub-Zero's charge powers aren't showed often because he doesn't need to use them unlike Iceman's case where he HAS to use his powers because he has no good up close fighting skills, Sub would own him. Then rip out his spine, Sub-Zero Wins!

FATALITY!

sub+kori blade+better fighting moves=dead bobby

Iceman would totally trash Sub-Zero....i mean he is an Omega Mutant for gosh sakes lol

I don't kow why this is debatable.

"Hi, I'm Sub-Zero. I can mainpulate the ice element."


"Hi I'm Iceman. I AM ice.!!! Can Become Ice itself....whatever.

At a lower degrees that Sub-Zero can handle no doubt.


ICEMAN WINS HANDS DOWN!!

Marvel bias lol, if you break each guy down, there's no way Iceman would beat Subby, especially the newer subby with the dragon medallion, he would overpower Iceman.

You know you gotta prove it with me MKF.

Lol..

Lets go man. Lol

and have fun in the process.

Wait a second, didn't we have this debate before? LOL, in another thread?

Anyway, ok well since there's two different sub-zero's the old one(noob) and the newer one since MK2(one with the dragon medallion now)

I think Iceman and the original Sub-Zero would be a good match honestly, despite who wins.I know that in MK:M:Sub-Zero they show us what he's capable of and he has some nice powers with the ice, that you never really saw before that game.Ice Shatter move, Ice Run, Air Ice blast, Polar Blast and his regular Ice blast.Now, I know Iceman has a blizzard move that's impressive but Sub's got a lot of ice shatter, deadly moves if it hits ya you're dead pretty much, he also has that one Polar Blast move which pretty much is a mini nuclear Ice Blast, freezing literally everything on the screen and shattering them.That's awesome.

Now, there's the close range skills.Iceman has none virtually.Compared to the Zero's he wouldn't stand a chance up close.The knowledge and years of martial arts Lin Kuei training they have is extremely deadly.

Iceman up close has nothing on either Subby.I think the first Sub-Zero vs. Iceman it would be closer but I see Sub-Zero prevailing.

Now, for the second Sub-ZeroI feel that he's much, much stronger then his brother that turned into Noob-Saibot by far.Not only does he have the Lin Kuei training but he possesses MUCH more power with Ice and the cold with that Dragon Medallion.

The Dragon Medallion ages him quickly, however in return he absords massive power with it and it only increases it tremendously overall making him very formidable and extremely deadly.

His power with the Dragon Medallion takes what he has and increases his power dramatically.Without the Medallion it's a different story perhaps, but with it he has no equal as far as Ice is concerned.Mr.Freeze, Captain Cold, Glacius, Frost, Iceman or the original Sub-Zero( I believe if they fought) would not be able to match the current Sub-Zero with the insane power he has at this point with that Medallion meant for him.

It takes what Sub has and X it by god knows how much lol.

MKF.....

Hm. Good points, however.

Couple Questions:

a. HOW MUCH CAN YOU FREEZE A PERSON MADE OF ICE??

b. AND WHAT GOOD WOULD IT DO TO THAT ICE-"MAN"

c. HOW MUCH CAN A PERSON CONTROL ICE IN A BATTLE AGAINST A PERSON WHO IS MADE OF ICE??


O.k. let me do this. If me and you battle, and I am Iceman, and you are Subby, o.k. You with medalion right?--- O.k., I freeze your huuuuman flesh.....

d. HOW MUCH CAN YOU USE YOUR POWERS?? (think Sub-Zero's Double freeze. He DOES freeze) It doesn't make sense man. No matter the powers you have WITH medalion. This is just the basics. If you freeze me, or break off a limb, or anything of the sort, as long as a chunk of ice survives. ICEMAN will live. Do that to Sub-Zero..............and you will hear FATALITY!!!


One obviously trumps the other here, regardless of the powers he aquires as a result of the medalion.

One is a natually inclined mutant.
The other is a learned element manipulator.

This battle is uneven. To "play" in the element is not to "become" the element.

And then he is an Omega Mutant. Compared to Medalion.....pleeease. Martial arts wouldn't even come into play here.

Feeze Frame.

Game over, thanks for playin'

Lmfao, good shit man, good shit, you know your comics man, hip-hop and comics perfect combo. Anyways, i love subby, but ice-man would destroy him. Telling you guys man, any x-men character that matches up with an mk character will fuck up that mk character. And mkf, it's tough becauase you keep bringing up points about the movie, and you'd have to read the comics to see how much of a true badass ice man is .

P.s. hey mkf when you gonna send those pictures of your sculptures?

Ok, well I can answer your points.One, why is everyone assuming just because Iceman is made of ice and sub is not, that sub gets frozen he would lose?

Have you guys noticed that his skin literally is partially frozen?So, if iceman freezes his arm, it'll fall off?I don't think so, Sub-Zero is not made of ice but might as well be made of ice.His powers are to the point where he can literally freeze his own body and nothing would hurt him.

You've seen the pic for yourself, the medallion increases his potential and powers.It makes him better in every which way.

Also, my question for you is this, why do you believe that Iceman would automatically NOT fight up close?He did in the X-Men movies a little.

Also, if you take the charge time for both of them, Sub-Zero's is quick, fast and lethal.Even if sub freezes Iceman, and it does nothing to Iceman Sub can just beat the snot out of him up close once he gets near him, same for iceman freezing subby, what would it do?Nothing lol, sub's power is the mastery of the cold and ice, freezing him would not kill him.In fact it would probably help him or increase his power with the dragon medallion especially.

Omegga mutant might be high, but the Medallion ages subby in no time, that alone should tell you how much power it's capable of.Subby charging his powers with the medallion, Iceman isn't surviving, all he has to do is stun iceman, then spinal rip, end game.

Also, subby could also clone himself, evade Iceman then sneak up behind him and rip out his spine.Remember the second movie and TV show?He's stealthy and ninja expertise make him a very, very formidable adversary.

What is Sub Zero going to do? Freeze someone who is already frozen?

Sub Zero can be frozen, however, so Icemans powers are not that useless.

So yeah... I say ICEMAN

I never said that Iceman has bad powers, just saying a lot of people are seriously underestimating Sub's powers due to marvel bias, I'm taking both of them and doing my best to break them both down, sub is ultra powerful with the medallion.He can take on anyone just about as long as they're not a god or something ridiculous that is too much for anyone.


Ermac, lol sorry I'm in the process of finding all the good ones.I'll send you them, promise man.

lol thanks man its alright, there just really good im anxious on seeing them all, cuz i only saw your sub one, and cyrax, but, trust me man, i love mk to the fullest, subby is one of my top 5 favorites, but if you read the comics and saw what iceman can really do you would definitly think differently.

I've read some of them online, I still beleive that the new Sub is superior in a few ways.

I look at a fight from every aspect, not just the power aspect.Sub can fight and he has power, iceman just has power but up close he's just an average guy unlike subby who has extreme training.Know what I mean?

What ever, we all have opinions.

I'll send them to you once I get them all

Ahhh, I'm glad you mentioned the "fighting up close thing.

Sub-Zero is trained in martial arts right? Right.

Iceman is Trained in chaos....constantly.

Remember the Danger Room? (The Training room for the X-men?)

Don't try to make it seem like the Iceman is useless in up close battle. And again What good does a "spine rip do to somebody who is able to reform out of a peice of ice?

If anything Iceman would use Sub-Zero to his advatange. Remember he's a natuallly inclined mutant. His main defense mechanizm is to freeze. If now, If Subyy were to try some kind of death move I beleve his cold ass hands (during a spine rip) would only trigger the iceman's natural inclination to turn his entire body (internal and external mind you) into ice.

Sub would loose man, on all points. Sub-would loose.

This is definatly not underestimating Sub-Zero. I love the character, but recognizing the greater power is another thing.

Omega-level mutant is a fictional designation for a certain powerful class of super-powered individuals in the Marvel Comics universe to indicate mutants with the ability (or potential) to exist beyond the boundaries of physical existence. Immortality is also a possibility, but not a requirement. Being able to control matter and energy on the sub-molecular scale also seems to be a requirement.



Iceman is able to lower his body temperature without harm to himself, reaching minus 105F within a few tenths of a second. He is able to freeze any moisture in the air around him into unusually hard ice to form ice-slides and various projectiles and shields. He is also able to summon moisture from the air and create a flood.

Iceman is immune to sub-zero temperatures and has thermal vision: the ability to detect objects visually by how much heat the objects generate.

Over the years, his mutant physiology has gone through radical changes. First, he was able to fashion an armor of densely packed snow around his human form when lowering his temperature; later, this became armor of solid ice. Eventually, he was actually able to transform his body into organic ice in which his strength and endurance were augmented to enhanced levels, but when he turned his body back to normal, he would be an ordinary human.

For a time, Iceman could no longer revert to a human form as part of a secondary mutation. He was constantly in a translucent organic ice-form. Iceman is also able to reconstitute his ice-form if any part of it is damaged or even if it is completely shattered, without permanent harm to himself. He is able to temporarily add the mass of a body of water to his own to increase his mass, size and physical power. His strength and durability in his ice-form are enhanced beyond normal human levels. He can survive not only as sentient ice but as sentient water and vapor. He has the capacity to manipulate all forms of moisture. He has all of the abilities to generate projectiles, slides and shields that he always has had but they have been augmented greatly. Under the mind control of Emma Frost he was able to deposit his bodily mass into a river and reconstitute his entire mass a great distance away in a matter of minutes.

In X-Men: Evolution, he has the ability to create an ice statue of himself on the spot by moving, similar to Sub-Zero in Mortal Kombat. In Operation: Zero Tolerance, while fighting Bastion, Bobby used a similar ability to trick the sentinel leader. Grabbed by the throat and pinned to the ground it seemed as if Bobby had been defeated, but it turned out he had replaced himself with an ice statue without Bastion noticing.




Errr... what can Sub-Zero do again?

Thank you for this^^
And I didn't even know he could create a clone of himslef. Pretty much everything else I knew though.

Damn, beat me to it.Yep, this is why Sub would win besides comparing the two and how they got their powers Sub's is more likely as the WAY he got his power, through knowledge, wisdom, concentration, passed down to him through his ancestors where the mutants are a freak of nature and overly done in many ways.

I mean what's more logical?Storm or Raiden?Umm, at least Raiden is a god of something, storm controls weather for the other guy in the past that said storm would beat raiden, right....

Battle #2 Results:

Iceman: 8
Sub-Zero: 6

X-Men: 2
Mortal Kombat: 0

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Battle #3

Storm (X-Men) vS Sindel (Mortal Kombat)

HAPPY VOTING!