Midway Releases Batman Renders from Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe!
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06/06/2008 11:52 PM EDT
Seriously we don't need a bible.
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06/07/2008 12:09 AM EDT
Post 151 in this thread...interesting. ha..

ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
Wow, you didn't have to write a harry potter novel to get your silly point acrosswow


There's not that much actual writing there...don't be intimidated now. haha...Pictures just make the post bigger.

btw, just to drive this home....you ask me to make you this: Click the picture, and scroll down for original post and self critique....



And now you say I "must be on meds" for having an opinion about graphics. When in the begging, you trusted me about my graphic judgement? What is that all about? *shrugs*

Deathbearer Wrote:
Seriously we don't need a bible.


The Bible doesn't traditionally come with pictures and an explanation about my graphics experience.

But you're welcome to read it and understand my point anyway...
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06/07/2008 01:40 AM EDT
I just love how this new game has finally unified and brought together the MK fanbase. Yep. We're such a happy, dysfunctional family again...
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06/07/2008 05:48 AM EDT
Garlador Wrote:
>>MK fanbase

Garlador Wrote:
>>happy

lolwut?

We're never happy.
Ever.

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06/07/2008 09:15 AM EDT
Garlador Wrote:
I just love how this new game has finally unified and brought together the MK fanbase. Yep. We're such a happy, dysfunctional family again...


lol, lets see when the game is out or when E3 comes. I can understand both sides. But its all love...some have fan love..and some have tough love..itzz all gooodd.!!grin
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06/07/2008 09:23 AM EDT
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
I'm sorry but i'm excited! I'm deffinatley going to play as Sub, Scorp and Batman the most. Which is odd, I rarely play as Scorp and Sub because they are soo generic, but since they look awesome I have a feeling i'm going to really love playing as them.

And I am not a fan boy. I was one of the main people that were blasting MKD and MKA when they came out.


MKD and MKA were fun. I don't get people's problems. oh well...

I disagree about Scorpion's suit. It sucks hard. The little jewel thing is so retarded. And that belt..ugh. Sub's is good though.

If I do by this game {big if} I hope there's a good alt for Scorpion or a costume customization.


they were fun, but not great ;)
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06/07/2008 02:06 PM EDT
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Deathbearer Wrote:
MKD ... fun. I don't get people's problems.


Yeah, dude, Puzzle Kombat was great. I dunno why everybo--

...oh, did you mean the versus mode? Haha, you're such a joker, man! Good one.



MKD was fun, broken and unbalanced but it was a fun game.


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Anywho, like I said before on the render issue. People need to wait until the game actually comes out....judging or making assumptions based on pure guess off a few little renders is like assuming you "can out hit a former baseball player" it's silly and presumpturous.

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06/07/2008 03:35 PM EDT
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khanswarrior15 Wrote:
I still have yet to understand why people are saying the graphics are "Bad",I think they look fine?Is there any exact reason for this?People will have there opinions,but there is no reason for most of you to constanly nag about the game.



Okay...I get that. You simply don't understand. Alright, so look here:

I am not saying the graphics are "bad", as in, "they're crap altogether". That ain't what I'm saying.

I am saying that they are "good" last gen rendered graphics(since THAT's what these threads are for. To discuss the new RENDERS). And then, I actually do the comparisons. The purple segment example that I gave, is a MKA render of Shinnok. The rest of those examples, are large square segments of MKvsDC pre-released rendered graphics(batman, sub-zero, scorpion, superman). And I swear, as plain as day, you CAN see the same thing (technique//effect//whatever) used on the OLD render, that is used on these new renders. And it's on ALL of them. It's the same graphics technique, seemingly copied and pasted on these new ones.

And that doesn't look good for a 15+ year old game franchise, it looks terrible given the circumstances. I expected better from them. Is there a problem with that?

The only way you don't see that, is if you are simply "Wowed" by the fact that it's a new picture of an old character. OR, you like the design of the character more than me........Which, like I said, I'm not gonna blame people for that. It wouldn't make sense for me to blame people for that when this is a fan site, get me? It just makes it overwhelmingly evident that you don't know better. heheheh...Which I'm also cool with that, because everybody is not gonna know their way around graphics.

BUT, telling me "Oh you're crazy the graphics look awesome" is hilarious to me because I can see it. AND I can show it to you, AND I can explain it to you in lamens terms. lol

Look, you ever had somebody try to sell you something you already had and didn't want again? THAT's what this is with a little more photoshop (or maya, or Ue3, or whatever program) time put into it. That's how you get the dirt, scars, veins, and the "magic effects" that you see on these renders. I do it all the time when I make you guys signatures, or alter your pictures, or make you guys animated avatars....lol Actually KW, you deal with "layers" when you make signatures right? Well, it's the same principal dude. Just a different program.

Here's an example:



In this sig that I made for the user "Sub_Zer0", how did the Sub-Zero in the middle get a left elbow?

Here's the original render:



How? I "fixed it up" to make it look like it always existed. The Lin Kuei symbol is completely fabricated...Here's the original:



How do you get to what I put in his signature from those original images?
Well, you take the original, and either manipulate it, or you used it as an example to get "a new one".

Another example? Look at this Fake I made: Click on it.



Look at Shao Kahns face in the upper right-hand corner, he's got blood and all that on his face...Look at the color of Raidens costume....Well,



Point in all this is, I ADDED "effects" to theee ORIGINAL GRAPHIC. Not hard to see, or understand. LmaO!

The only thing "awesome" about these renders, is that they are "New" pictures of the characters. The graphics themselves...look bad = old.

I am saying that-THAT tendency, is a bad thing to do IF they are trying to pass last gen textures off as new, next gen textures. That's terrible for them to take something that we just finished buying with MKA, and put it out there for people to buy again in a new game.

Since it's all over the renders, the renders LOOK BAD. There's no real graphical improvement. It's just a"new" costume. hhahaha...

It looks bad that they haven't improved considering they got new technology in this "modified Unreal 3 Engine". Looks bad that they haven't accomplished real skin or metal textures. Looks bad that the same cloth textures that are on Sub-Zero, and even Scorpion, who are from the MK universe, is also on Superman and Batman, who are from a totally different franchise and universe. Way to pay attention to detail MKTeam.....can't even distiguish that they should have a separate feel about them considering they won't have the same taylor. HA! And then it really looks bad when all of them share graphics with the MKA Shinnok render.

Honestly, the first thing I did was laughed. Because it is laughable...but it's undeniably a bad moral judgment to sell people something old and try to pass it off as "new" and "refreshing". And then it's a bad graphic decision to try and establish "next-gen" with old content and methods for the first entry to these new consoles. That, my friend, is terrible. heheheh..

They didn't do this when they "started all over" with MKDA. The difference between MK4 & MKDA is irrefutable, graphically. W-t-h is the problem now? Hha!
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Anyway,

I am also not saying anything about the game mechanics//gameplay. Nor am I judging that, because I can't....I haven't played the thing. But that's y'know, "duh". This thread ain't about gameplay, so you don't see me talking about it. (for anybody who hasn't noticed that). I'm talking about what this thread was made for. And that is, to critique the characters design and the graphics that the MkTeam are currently using for this game.

So, what is wrong with me stating my opinion when that's what I'm supposed to be doing?

Again, like I said with my first post in this thread: The design is alright, but the graphics are bad though.

Any questions? rephrase: Any Logical//Reasonable Questions?

I don't know how much more simple I can put it than that...but I'll try if necessary.
You seriously don't have any thing better to do, do you?
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RE: Midway Releases Batman Renders from Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe!
06/07/2008 06:25 PM EDT
Best DC Character (Or comic book character for that matter) In the world.
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06/07/2008 06:29 PM EDT
nah best comic character would be either Ghost Rider or Spawn.
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06/08/2008 12:32 PM EDT
Nahh, in reality Superman is. But Batman is definitely up there, no doubt the two most popular, well known comic book guys worldwide easily. Ohh and most recognizableglasses
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06/08/2008 12:51 PM EDT
he didn't say popular he said best. it's open to opinion smile
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06/09/2008 10:19 AM EDT
I'd just like to thank the posters in this thread who are actually taking the time to attempt to further discourse by providing examples and explanations for their opinions (good and bad) on the renders rather than just offering up insults. It really is much more interesting to read than a bunch of "Fuck me? Fuck you" comments.
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06/09/2008 12:20 PM EDT
Deathbearer Wrote:
nah best comic character would be either Ghost Rider or Spawn.


False. here's how it goes.

1. Batman
2. Spawn
3. The Darkness
4. Ghost Rider
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06/09/2008 01:03 PM EDT
Shin_Akuma Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
nah best comic character would be either Ghost Rider or Spawn.


False. here's how it goes.

1. Batman
2. Spawn
3. The Darkness
4. Ghost Rider

"My opinion means more than yours!"
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06/09/2008 02:57 PM EDT
it's opinion. should I explain how it works? My views can be different from your views and nobody can do shit about it. Batman would get owned by Spawn, Ghost Rider, and Jackie {The Darkness}. Then again this is my opinion based on their powers and such. Yours might be different although I've no idea how you can ignore their obvious advantages.
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06/09/2008 03:41 PM EDT
Deathbearer Wrote:
he didn't say popular he said best. it's open to opinion smile


Best in what terms? You see it really depends on what you mean by "best" in this case, popular/iconic have similar meaning. Especially someone like Superman or Batman.glasses
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