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09/28/2013 03:57 AM (UTC)
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They could find any number of ways to resurrect him. I'm sure he's meandering around the Netherrealm somewhere. Quan Chi is already about so that means that Shinnok can't be far behind.
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09/28/2013 06:39 AM (UTC)
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I once hear Ed Boon talk about Noob's shadow moves is MK9. He said he had the idea of the main guy being "Noob" and the shadow being "Saibot". I think it would work if Noob was still Bi Han and "Saibot" was Kuai Liang this time. After all, Kuai did feel like he was in "his brother's shadow" apparently. I still don't forgive the Killing of Kuai, or worse the total butchery of his character. I'd rather have a real Sub-Zero in the future.

I have my beliefs about adaptations; I think it's okay to make some changes here and there. The important thing to do is keep the spirit of the characters consistent and follow the original plot somewhat. If not then why even call it an adaptation? You could just switch the names up and call it an original series. That's why say, the Legend of Chun Li sucked; it didn't feel like street fighter.

Mortal Kombat Legacy did good by some of the characters. I'm really happy with their Johnny Cage and Kenshi. Kung Lao, Kitana and Mileena were pretty good. Shang and Raiden were okay. The rest, they tried something different. At worst if butchered the characters, at best it had me saying "It might have some potential."

On a side note, if they force me throught anymore terrible Scorpion/Sub-Zero flashback, I might have to blow fake CGI chunks.
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09/28/2013 09:07 AM (UTC)
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Just finished watching them all, here's my overall thoughts, which I feel are a fair analysis without any sort of bias be it positive or negative,

Good:
-The visuals and cinematography are outstanding.
-Johnny had a couple funny lines.
-Kenshi, Shang, and Johnny were closest to their in-game characters, and thus felt the best portrayed.
-Fight Scenes were great(especially Scorp/Sub).
-Bi Han's(Grown up), Johnny's, Lao's, and Shang's acting are movie quality.
-Using the character specials we are fond of.

Bad:
-Ermac doesn't look so good.
-Kenshi's cause of blindness and survival in the cave was confusing.
-Kung Lao's non-razor hat.
-Unnecessary "Fucks". I don't mind swearing, but when it's forced it sounds awful.
-Alterations to some of the character's stories/roles/looks are odd. To the point that it really makes you wonder why. Why the need to drastically alter someone's look/story, or if changed, why it wasn't done better.
-Killing characters. I am not a fan of characters dying in each battle, unless it's explained that they somehow don't really die permanently. To which, you lose all importance and effectiveness.
-Giving Scorpion the spine rip...(I don't understand why it was done in the game's reboot story, and I don't understand it here. It's Sub's signature Fatality.)
-Liu needs to have the hood down. I don't care if he's wearing a hoodie, but with it up, it's just too much like Jin.
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09/28/2013 11:29 AM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
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Absolutely hated the Spine rip bullshit they pulled off. Man I can't stand shit like that and Quan Chi's morphing in the first season. You don't mess with ICONIC stuff like that and Spine rip is definitely the most famous fatality in MK's history. What an insult to Sub-Zero fans (and there's an army of those)

I agree with most of your complaints, but this. What so fucking horrible, if one character used Fatality of another?... it's some generally miniscule thing...Very strange. And it's not fucking insult, it's just creative liberty. No need to take such things personal. It's ridiculous.
Besides, Scorpion had similar Fatality in the MKD, so it is not without precedent.


It's miniscule to you, not to me (and other people). As I said, it's the most famous fatality in the series, it's iconic, it's trademark Sub-Zero. I doubt they even thought of that Deception fatality (which is quite lame imo), especially given the fact that Sub-Zero was involved. This was "the" spine rip and, as far as I'm concerned, they fucked the whole thing up really bad.

What's next? Are we gonna see Scorpion perform ice-clones and freeze people?
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09/28/2013 12:56 PM (UTC)
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I hated how it became the Liu Kang show, we already have two movies and a cartoon with Liu Kang as the central character, nothing against Liu Kang but give some other characters a chance, I was hyped for Stryker and as far as I'm concerned Eric Jacobus delivered but the director could have at least given him a flashback explaining why Raiden summoned him to the tournament, but then there were so many plot holes that it really didn't matter by episode 10!

I thought the fatalities were pretty decent and I'm glad to be getting some new live action as it generally does help develop and strengthen the characters.

I do wish Warner Brothers gave the movie to a more experienced director rather than experimenting with a dance choreographer, but that would mean setting the movie release back even further and I want to be alive when they finally make the 3rd movie..
Why are y'all imagining these plot holes? Watch Legacy and Legacy II back to backconfused

And this wasn't ALL about Liu Kang. He has about as much focus as he did in MK9. They were pretty good at showing us other characters while still making him the clear lead.

Interestingly enough this has the same problem as Mk9 in making too many characters canon fodder.


but the last time we saw Stryker he was at the hospital with Sonya, how did he get to the tournament and why did Raiden choose him? it's like reading a book with missing pages, if they can give him a flashback at the start of season 3 and a slightly deeper purpose other than to save Johnny then I'd be happy with that, again I think Eric Jacobus did a great portrayal of Stryker, and I'm glad to be getting new live action as I've waited for a long time like everyone else.

what were your highlights of season 2?

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09/28/2013 01:49 PM (UTC)
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Stryker was probably chosen as a replacement for Jax and Sonya.
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09/28/2013 01:53 PM (UTC)
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Here's what I think about Scorpion/Sub-Zero...

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I'm fine with them both being from Japan rather than China. It makes them both ninjas. Also, in the old movies, they were both from Outworld. I mean, they changed the entire realm! At least this time they got the planet right. Also, it makes it more believable for them to be rivals if they occupy the same territories.


Here's what I think about Liu Kang/Shang Tsung...

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Liu Kang was supposed to be the 'pure' one, the holy one. In the first game the screen didn't even turn dark, when he did his Fatality, that's how good he was. I think it was a big mistake to turn him into Shang Tsung's pawn. I like what it does for Shang Tsung's character -- making him using his charms to manipulate others, like a devil tempting someone, a true sociopath. But it implied there was some history between Liu and Shang -- like he decapitated him at one point. What was that about? No flashbacks or nothing?
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09/28/2013 03:01 PM (UTC)
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As someone who thought half of Season 1 was good (Scorpion/ Jax/ Kitana episodes)

I thought Season 2 was........ok.......

i loved Kenshi and he needed way more screen time and interaction with the other heroes, and i was hoping Shang would have been behind his "accident"

and other than the killing and butchering of Kuai Lang's character.................

i actually LOVED the Scorpion/Sub-Zero story....hell i even edited (and removed) some of the footage from season1 and 2 into a 30min episode about the 2 of them lol

IMO.......i think there story here (other than the Kuai Lang stuff) is better then what there story is in the games....

other than that.........um everything else is ok............meh
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09/28/2013 03:03 PM (UTC)
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double post....sorry
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Crimson_Pool21
09/28/2013 03:07 PM (UTC)
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As someone who thought half of Season 1 was good (Scorpion/ Jax/ Kitana episodes)

I thought Season 2 was........ok.......

i loved Kenshi and he needed way more screen time and interaction with the other heroes, and i was hoping Shang would have been behind his "accident"

and other than the killing and butchering of Kuai Lang's character.................

i actually LOVED the Scorpion/Sub-Zero story....hell i even edited (and removed) some of the footage from season1 and 2 into a 30min episode about the 2 of them lol

IMO.......i think there story here (other than the Kuai Lang stuff) is better then what there story is in the games....

other than that.........um everything else is ok............meh
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09/28/2013 03:26 PM (UTC)
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Nephrite Wrote:
As I said, it's the most famous fatality in the series, it's iconic, it's trademark Sub-Zero. I doubt they even thought of that Deception fatality (which is quite lame imo), especially given the fact that Sub-Zero was involved. This was "the" spine rip and, as far as I'm concerned, they fucked the whole thing up really bad.

What's next? Are we gonna see Scorpion perform ice-clones and freeze people?


I read somewhere that Tancharoen said he had Scorpion kill Sub-Zero with his own fatality on purpose because it's "the perfect revenge" to kill a dude with his own move.
I dunno, I'm not defending it, I'm just saying that's what his reason was. I do think that, out of all stuff in Legacy worth complaining about, that's a pretty lame one to be fixated on.
Anyway, personally I'd have rather seen a Toasty, but they probably didn't have room in the budget for a CGI skull.
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09/28/2013 05:01 PM (UTC)
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I have completed all 10 episodes, and before giving my review of season 2 I would like to talk about Kevin Tancharoen a little bit.

I think the only other person I would rather have take Kevin's place is Quentin Tarantino or David Lynch. Tancharoen has proved through rebirth and legacy that he is willing to take risks and not follow the game's original storyline strictly. That's is a good thing; this man is an innovator.

Even though I'm not too fond of some of his alternative interpretations, he is at least willing to reinvent Mortal Kombat (to some extent), and 9 times out of 10 I think his interpretations are great! The more realistic approach to Mortal Kombat should be a welcomed one; it's much less cheesy and more interesting than MK's original story. Honestly, I wished that legacy's story would parallel the rebirth pitch.

I hope that Kevin is the main man behind season 3 and the film. That said, I do have some criticisms of season 2.

My biggest gripe are all the plot holes. Just off the top of my head...

-How do people get matched up in this tournament? It looks like people just wander around the island until they find someone from the opposing realm. Were they given orders go about participating like this? What's to prevent everyone from sticking together and jumping on one guy at the same time, thus outnumbering him and guaranteeing a victory?

-Did the Scorpion vs Sub Zero fight take place present day? I'm confused because the same field where Hanzo and Bi Han played as children, and later agreed to a truce between their clans was the scene of this fight. Is this field located on the island? Is it just an illusion of Shang Tsung's since it has some kind of sentimental value for Hanzo and Bi Han?

-How did Kenshi's eyes get messed up, yet he still won the initial confrontation between him and Ermac?

-Why would Kenshi agree to go on a quest for the sword in the first place? What reason did he have to do that? He looked badass enough before obtaining the sword, it didn't seem as though he needed to have it.

-What was Stryker's supernatural ability? What about Johnny Cage's? Apparently you're required to have some kind of supernatural ability to be invited to the tournament in the first place, but theirs were never showcased.

-By what means did everyone teleport to the island? Did Raiden summon them all? Did they all go to a secluded place like Kung Lao?

-The Shang Tsung that confronted Johnny Cage in season 1 appears different than the one in season 2. Is there a reason for that? Did Tsung alter his physical appearance through sorcery since season 1?

I did like a lot of things about season 2, but questions like these go unanswered, it makes the storyline feel incomplete.

I see a lot of people complaining about costumes, which seems pretty arbitrary to me when you have plot holes like these. Hopefully everyone can see how plot holes detriment the story more than costumes.
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09/28/2013 05:19 PM (UTC)
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Interesting to note, in both Scorpion vs. Sub-Zero fight scenes they use a raw backfist.

In MK Legacy 1, Scorpion used the raw backfist on Sub-Zero. Then in MK Legacy 2, Sub-Zero used a raw backfist on Scorpion.
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09/28/2013 06:07 PM (UTC)
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]{0MBAT Wrote:


Here's what I think about Liu Kang/Shang Tsung...

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Liu Kang was supposed to be the 'pure' one, the holy one. In the first game the screen didn't even turn dark, when he did his Fatality, that's how good he was. I think it was a big mistake to turn him into Shang Tsung's pawn. I like what it does for Shang Tsung's character -- making him using his charms to manipulate others, like a devil tempting someone, a true sociopath. But it implied there was some history between Liu and Shang -- like he decapitated him at one point. What was that about? No flashbacks or nothing?


The
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decapitation
reference was a hint to the previous tournament.

MK Legacy II takes place in a point in time similar to MK2.
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09/28/2013 07:03 PM (UTC)
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I wanna throw my two cents...
I do believe the show was fair and somewhat decent, albeit lackluster in some departements, such CG, fight choregraphy, in depth-story and even the Fatalities themselves.
The acting was good, but the casting was poor as well: Casper Van Dien is almost 50, Johnny Cage is not even 30 years old. Point is that you can create whatever you want with a finctional universe, but at least try to follow the basic source material. Van Dien's Cage is the equivalent of Baraka turned into crazy doctor (or better, crazy doctor turned into Baraka) or Reptile with Harlquin skin disease. There was no point in having a 50 years old with no martial arts background, brown hair and white beard. That's not Cage. Damn, he doesn't even use his split punch and that silly reference during the fight against Mileena wasn't funny at all.

Then it's Kung Lao's turn: he is famous because he never had a great portrayal in any alternative media dedicated to the MK franchise: in MK Conquest he was the Great Kung Lao, with his mk3 during the first episode. He was missing in both movies (they had Raiden wearing like him in the second one, though), not even mentioned in MK: DOTR and FOMA. Same prooblem of Conquest when speaking of the Journey Begins. he was the demi-protagounist of the Malibù Comics, sometimes having a bigger role than Liu Kang himself, but damn almost nobody outisde the MK community remembers about those comic books! What I'm trying to point is: KUNG LAO HAD TO FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!! The stupid cliffhanger ending somewhat contradicted itself: the whole point of the Liu Kang vs Kung Lao feud was to take Kung lao over the limit, forget his shaolin ideals and fight Liu Kang. In the first episode he got hit in the face by Liu and there was no reaction. Kung Lao had to fight and we deserved a really epic final fight, considering how Stryker and Cage lasted for 30 secs each. Of course Kung Lao's star will shine in season 3, but this will mean an even smaller role for important characters like Stryker, Mileena (if she'll ever have to return), Kitana, Cage, Ermac (same as Mileena) and Kenshi.

The last sentence brings me to the following point: the story was supposed to be like a full fledged movie, not divided into single episodes. Instead we had episodes that were still focused on singular characters or pairs, rather than the general story arc itself, the man scheme.

The Fatalities are incredible cheesy: plastic Skulls and spines (even Ktanch and his crew made a gag out of it, during one of the extra after the credits), dummy heads and non-sense death scenes: why in hell kill both Sub-Zeroes? Why killing Mileena so early? And, due to Christian charity, I really want to forget about the CG puke in episode 6.

Of course there are positive points to the series, and considering how limited the time and the budget were, the final result is above mediocrity, I'd say it is good enough, but I really hope that THIS DIRECTION won' be used by Ktanch for the upcoming movie. And the "war movie vibe" comment it's not the best of the first steps in the right direction....
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09/28/2013 07:08 PM (UTC)
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I'm kinda ehhh on this myself.

The only thing on my mind - Kenshi, Scorpion and Sub Zero are all from Feudal Japan. But its set in Modern times. Are they wizards?

Also Raiden, Cage and Stryker ALL have goatees. I mean I have one but why would all 3 of them have them. I had to think which one was which.

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Ending on a cliffhanger is really annoying.

The Kitana/Mileena fight/episode is the only major thing they have done together in at least motion media and that is quite sad. I mean not even a promo cinematic. And its quite good. I liked it. Mileena here is better than her NuSkool Mileena version. And Bitches gotta tag team to bring her down.

Kenshi/Ermac - ehhh. Filler really. Ermac looked horrible. Couldn't even see a flash of red on him/it.

Sub Zero/Scorpion - good collection of episodes. Surprised BOTH Sub Zeroes are apparently dead and with no Quan Chi appearance as well.

Kang/Lao - The main meal here. Lots of decent build up and Shang Tsung really was the master of souls here. But with no evident fight until a special ending for the DVD release.
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09/28/2013 07:11 PM (UTC)
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MY vote is 6 out of 10.
There are flaws and good things into it, and thankfully the previous ones are fewer, but it's still far from what I've expected after the first season.
The final fight was too short (props for Cage, though: he fought Kang with one arm only) and lacked epicity. Sub-Zero vs Scorpion, Kenshi vs Ermac and the three way dance with Cage, Kitana and Mileena were all great.
But what the hell was Stryker doing on Shang Tsung's island before episode 10?
What about Cage after episode 6 and before the season finale?
And Kitana?

It's a crime having Mr. Tagawa and...don't have him fighting at least once.

In the end it's a fairy good show, with props and cons, but it's a step back from the first season.

EPISODE 1 & 2: Liu's and Kung's Backstory 7 out of 10
EPISODE 3&4: Kenshi and ermac backstory 7 out of 10
EPISODE 5 &6: Cage, Mileena and Kitana Backstory 6.5 out of ten
EPISODE 7&8: Scorpion and Sub-Zero's backstory (lame) 5 out of ten
EPISODE 9 & 10: ending lame 5 out of 10

average score: 6,3
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09/28/2013 08:23 PM (UTC)
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why did Raiden choose him?


My opinion. Since Sonya wasn't going to be at the tournament, maybe they chose the character who was suppose to be in the first MK video game.
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09/28/2013 08:58 PM (UTC)
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Maybe in this new take of Mortal Kombat, where a Tournament seems to take place every 10 years, Earthrealm just won all this time. That could potentially explain why Sub-Zero and Kenshi are still around in present day, because they would have been granted eternal youth, each time Earthrealm won the Tournament.

But that still wouldn't explain why Scorpion is confronting Sub-Zero hundreds of years later, in present day. Did Quan Chi and Shang Tsung have Scorpion sit on a bench all these years?
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09/28/2013 10:24 PM (UTC)
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Seriously, who is the girl playing Sonya on the previous page? Anyone?

General consensus for this season seems to be an "ok" across the board.
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09/28/2013 10:26 PM (UTC)
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Nathan Wrote:
Maybe in this new take of Mortal Kombat, where a Tournament seems to take place every 10 years, Earthrealm just won all this time. That could potentially explain why Sub-Zero and Kenshi are still around in present day, because they would have been granted eternal youth, each time Earthrealm won the Tournament.


Lol I had a complete brainfart and forgot Scorpion's entire story!
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09/29/2013 05:41 AM (UTC)
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Much better than I expected, and definitely better than Season 1. Felt almost like a mini-movie, and I really enjoyed how it was very cohesive unlike the first season.

PROS:
-Better actors than Season 1, in exception to Johnny Cage and Rayden (although the replacements were decent).

-Cary Tawaga as Shang Tsung; Brilliant actor, great to have him back. Hope he reprises the role in the upcoming movie as well.

-Liu Kang: Wasn't a fan at first, but this depiction is definitely much more interesting than the video game one, and the actor they used for him was very solid, he pretty much owned the role.

-Mileena: Great casting here, the actress they chose captured Mileena's personality perfectly and she was a lot of fun to watch on screen. Huge improvement over the original from Season 1.

-Great cinematography, some shots felt felt very epic and movie-like, which is very impressive considering this is just a web series.
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-The moment when Kung Lao transports to Outworld and all the characters are introduced... The music, stances, everything, just breathtaking. I hope they pull of something similar with the movie.

-Solid fight scenes, not too long and not too short, just right.

-Fatalities!

<CONS:
-Johnny Cage. I liked the fact that he was more humorous this time around, but his characterization made no sense; He's supposed to be a cocky, arrogant fighter that will prove himself every chance he gets, yet he runs a marathon after being introduced to Mileena. I'm not sure what they we're going for, humor or what not, but it just didn't work. I thought Casper Van Dien would have worked better, but Craig Mullins did a much better job in Season 1.

-The dialogue, although solid for the most part, other times it was a bit off. The needless cursing was just too overdone, it's almost like a child learned how to use the word 'fuck' and used it every other sentence. Just made the script seem slightly juvenile, I really hope they don't do this with the movie.

-Too many flashbacks and back and forth pacing, which made the plot a bit monotonous at times.

-Liu Kang VS Kung Lao at the end of the series lead to a cliffhanger, making the series seem a bit pointless (I actually had to double check to see if there was a Part 2 of the Season Finale just in case, but alas there was none, leaving the second season with a feeling of being unresolved).


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Overall I was left fairly impressed, and the movie is in obviously good hands. If the director was able to pull this off with such a limited budget, I could only imagine what he could do with a proper cast, script, locations, etc. The only thing I'm worried for is the script, I really hope some of the mishaps in that regard could be avoided.

Now when does Season 3 come out?! :D
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09/29/2013 06:29 AM (UTC)
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JohnBoyAdvance Wrote:
I'm kinda ehhh on this myself.

The only thing on my mind - Kenshi, Scorpion and Sub Zero are all from Feudal Japan. But its set in Modern times. Are they wizards?



Scorpion and Sub-Zero were not set in Feudal Japan.

The series showed that the present was only twenty years after the separation of their friendship.

As for Kenshi, it doesn't bother me that he was alive in the 1100s, considering many MK characters are of great age. Also, his age was never given in the games, so for all we know Kenshi could very well be that old.
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09/29/2013 07:10 AM (UTC)
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My opinion. Since Sonya wasn't going to be at the tournament, maybe they chose the character who was suppose to be in the first MK video game.


lol I wasn't asking why the director chose Stryker, I was asking why Raiden chose Stryker, was hoping for a flashback or some kind of explanation for him, would have had nothing to do with Sonya, I hope the director might explain a few of these things at the start of season 3.
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09/29/2013 09:20 AM (UTC)
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Riyakou Wrote:
Scorpion and Sub-Zero were not set in Feudal Japan.

The series showed that the present was only twenty years after the separation of their friendship.

I am sorry, but the description of the episode itself prooves you wrong:
Description of the Episode 7:
Flashback to feudal Japan, where Scorpion, his wife and his son are waylaid on the road by Sub Zero's angry younger brother. Scorpion is forced to kill him to protect his family. In the aftermath, Scorpion and Sub Zero attempt to renew a childhood friendship and form a truce between their warring clans.
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