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03/07/2011 03:54 AM (UTC)
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Keep on thinking that your opinion is the only one that matters

It matters not just because it's MY opinion but because it has the backing of reason. The cyborg storyline has already been done before, and now it's being projected onto a character who already had a sound story. Cyber Sub-Zero is an unoriginal dead end.

Opinions by themselves are worthless unless they reflect truth somehow. They're not all created equal.


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Listen, if you guys really think all opinions are equal, and your opinion can't be wrong because it's "your opinion," you're a lost cause. There's nothing left to be said. Your teachers seriously wronged you growing up.

But if I'm wrong about Cyber Sub-Zero, it's because the argument beneath my opinion is wrong. If you pro-Cyber peeps are right about Cyber Sub-Zero, it's because the underlying arguments beneath your opinions are correct. This "no opinoin can be wrong" attitude is bullshit and it's an excuse not to think. That's all "U Mad" really means: "I don't feel like thinking, so I posted this instead."



I lol'd.
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03/07/2011 03:56 AM (UTC)
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uh oh its getting a little hot in here *puts on flame suit and prepares for the inevitable*sad
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03/07/2011 03:56 AM (UTC)
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Here's the first couple definitions of opinion, to make everybody's day better:

1) A belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

2) A personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
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03/07/2011 04:00 AM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
"Butt hurt," "U mad", it really all translates to "I don't have a counter-argument so I'm just going to hide behind internet lingo."

Everyone knows Cyber Sub-Zero is a bad idea. That's completely without question.


It actually translates to "you are making a big deal out of nothing so kindly GET A LIFE." smile

And no, sorry, your opinion is not a fact. Bye bye!

Listen, if you guys really think all opinions are equal, and your opinion can't be wrong because it's "your opinion," you're a lost cause. There's nothing left to be said. Your teachers seriously wronged you growing up.

But if I'm wrong about Cyber Sub-Zero, it's because the argument beneath my opinion is wrong. If you pro-Cyber peeps are right about Cyber Sub-Zero, it's because the underlying arguments beneath your opinions are correct. This "no opinoin can be wrong" attitude is bullshit and it's an excuse not to think. That's all "U Mad" really means: "I don't feel like thinking, so I posted this instead."


Yawn, I'm sorry but why is anyone bothering to talk to you when you have your head so far up your own ass? An argument based on an opinion is as good as using a fork to drink water (with no ice btw). Afterall, an opinion is something SUBJECTIVE. Your FAULTY argument for legitimizing your opinion as fact is weak and not even well-thought.

And no, hehe, "U Mad" is literally telling you to sit your ass down because you look like a fool. In this context, you look ridiculous battling on the internet over something that is only one sentence long and demeaning other people's opinions.
Ninja_Arts Wrote:
breakingdishesz Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
TheManWithTheGoldenGun Wrote:
Keep on thinking that your opinion is the only one that matters

It matters not just because it's MY opinion but because it has the backing of reason. The cyborg storyline has already been done before, and now it's being projected onto a character who already had a sound story. Cyber Sub-Zero is an unoriginal dead end.

Opinions by themselves are worthless unless they reflect truth somehow. They're not all created equal.


TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Listen, if you guys really think all opinions are equal, and your opinion can't be wrong because it's "your opinion," you're a lost cause. There's nothing left to be said. Your teachers seriously wronged you growing up.

But if I'm wrong about Cyber Sub-Zero, it's because the argument beneath my opinion is wrong. If you pro-Cyber peeps are right about Cyber Sub-Zero, it's because the underlying arguments beneath your opinions are correct. This "no opinoin can be wrong" attitude is bullshit and it's an excuse not to think. That's all "U Mad" really means: "I don't feel like thinking, so I posted this instead."



I lol'd.
YAAASSS breakingdishesz!!! Work it out, bish!
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03/07/2011 04:01 AM (UTC)
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TheAdder Wrote:

Until you see the concept implemented you have absolutely 0 ground to stand on BESIDES your opinion. It is your OPINION that a story featuring a Cyborg SubZ is inherently inferior to one that does not. It is your OPINION because you have no other basis.

You're worse than the people who thought Picasso's art was trash, at least they'd actually SEEN seen it before having their knee-jerk reaction.

Adder, you're missing my point. I'm not saying that my perspective is immutable and that Cyber Sub-Zero will suck no matter what happens. I'm saying that reasonable opinions are superior to unreasonable opinions. "U Mad" is not a reason for Cyber Sub's quality. "People are so butthurt" is not a argument in Cyber Sub's favor.

I mean, look at breakingDishesz post. How long do you think that took to post? "This is my opinion" never has and never will be a valid defense.
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03/07/2011 04:02 AM (UTC)
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scienceguy14 Wrote:
uh oh its getting a little hot in here *puts on flame suit and prepares for the inevitable*sad


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03/07/2011 04:03 AM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
I'm not saying that my perspective is immutable and that Cyber Sub-Zero will suck no matter what happens.
ORLY?
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Everyone knows Cyber Sub-Zero is a bad idea. That's completely without question.
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03/07/2011 04:05 AM (UTC)
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Ho boy! Fifteen pages and counting! I don't even know what to think.
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03/07/2011 04:10 AM (UTC)
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Disco_Diva Wrote:
And no, hehe, "U Mad" is literally telling you to sit your ass down because you look like a fool. In this context, you look ridiculous battling on the internet over something that is only one sentence long and demeaning other people's opinions.


Pot, meet kettle.
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03/07/2011 04:10 AM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
"Butt hurt," "U mad", it really all translates to "I don't have a counter-argument so I'm just going to hide behind internet lingo."

Everyone knows Cyber Sub-Zero is a bad idea. That's completely without question.


It actually translates to "you are making a big deal out of nothing so kindly GET A LIFE." smile

And no, sorry, your opinion is not a fact. Bye bye!

Listen, if you guys really think all opinions are equal, and your opinion can't be wrong because it's "your opinion," you're a lost cause. There's nothing left to be said. Your teachers seriously wronged you growing up.

But if I'm wrong about Cyber Sub-Zero, it's because the argument beneath my opinion is wrong. If you pro-Cyber peeps are right about Cyber Sub-Zero, it's because the underlying arguments beneath your opinions are correct. This "no opinoin can be wrong" attitude is bullshit and it's an excuse not to think. That's all "U Mad" really means: "I don't feel like thinking, so I posted this instead."


Seriously dude, you're accusing these people of being raised wrong because they don't agree with your opinion. You may think that cyber sub-zero is a bad idea. That is YOUR opinion, not fact. Just because the majority of people may agree with you, does not make it fact. For Christ sake, the game is not out, not one of us has a clue as to how this "twist" should it even be cannon happen. Yet here you are sating as fact, that it's the worst idea ever on the sole grounds that sub zero's current story is fine and has "artistic value". That's just hoarse crap matey. If once the game is out, we all agree that it's the worst idea after seeing it, then we can call it fact. If someone genuinely enjoys it, that is their opinion!
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03/07/2011 04:10 AM (UTC)
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Disco_Diva Wrote:
Afterall, an opinion is something SUBJECTIVE. Your FAULTY argument for legitimizing your opinion as fact is weak and not even well-thought.

You guys call me butthurt, but you're like the angriest person in this thread.

Again, according to your philosophy, there are no such things as bad ideas, being that you believe all opinions weigh equally. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not trying to be an ass.

Give an argument. Don't give an argument. I will always take those who explain their thoughts more seriously. Don't hide behind the fact that it's your opinion.
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Seriously dude, you're accusing these people of being raised wrong because they don't agree with your opinion. You may think that cyber sub-zero is a bad idea. That is YOUR opinion, not fact. Just because the majority of people may agree with you, does not make it fact. For Christ sake, the game is not out, not one of us has a clue as to how this "twist" should it even be cannon happen. Yet here you are sating as fact, that it's the worst idea ever on the sole grounds that sub zero's current story is fine and has "artistic value". That's just hoarse crap matey. If once the game is out, we all agree that it's the worst idea after seeing it, then we can call it fact. If someone genuinely enjoys it, that is their opinion!
Okay, now people are just not reading. I never said my opinion was fact. But there are right and wrong opinions.
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03/07/2011 04:11 AM (UTC)
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This might beat the Sonya reveal thread!!!!


I'm inclined to believe "good ol' Subby" is safe. Permanently mechanizing him is a ridiculous idea story-wise. I'm sure Cyber Sub-Zero is either a what-if, just-there-for-the-hell-of-it character, or a temporary story mode character.

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03/07/2011 04:13 AM (UTC)
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wilson16 Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
"Butt hurt," "U mad", it really all translates to "I don't have a counter-argument so I'm just going to hide behind internet lingo."

Everyone knows Cyber Sub-Zero is a bad idea. That's completely without question.


It actually translates to "you are making a big deal out of nothing so kindly GET A LIFE." smile

And no, sorry, your opinion is not a fact. Bye bye!

Listen, if you guys really think all opinions are equal, and your opinion can't be wrong because it's "your opinion," you're a lost cause. There's nothing left to be said. Your teachers seriously wronged you growing up.

But if I'm wrong about Cyber Sub-Zero, it's because the argument beneath my opinion is wrong. If you pro-Cyber peeps are right about Cyber Sub-Zero, it's because the underlying arguments beneath your opinions are correct. This "no opinoin can be wrong" attitude is bullshit and it's an excuse not to think. That's all "U Mad" really means: "I don't feel like thinking, so I posted this instead."


Seriously dude, you're accusing these people of being raised wrong because they don't agree with your opinion. You may think that cyber sub-zero is a bad idea. That is YOUR opinion, not fact. Just because the majority of people may agree with you, does not make it fact. For Christ sake, the game is not out, not one of us has a clue as to how this "twist" should it even be cannon happen. Yet here you are sating as fact, that it's the worst idea ever on the sole grounds that sub zero's current story is fine and has "artistic value". That's just hoarse crap matey. If once the game is out, we all agree that it's the worst idea after seeing it, then we can call it fact. If someone genuinely enjoys it, that is their opinion!


No, he's saying that because of the defense they're using, which basically says "my opinion isn't wrong because it's an opinion." Which, is a completely asinine method of defending one's opinion.
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03/07/2011 04:14 AM (UTC)
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I can't believe how mad people get. And then you find out they're in their 30's half the time...

Sub Zero is my second favorite character behind Reptile. He was always my default if Reptile wasn't in the game, or was a t-rex. I think everyone needs to relax and wait until the game comes out. Cyber Sub Zero isn't for everyone, but it could be interesting. Also, I find it hard to believe he could be considered a canon and story changing character who possibly replaces Noob Saibot or the younger Sub Zero, when ALL THREE WILL BE PLAYABLE. Like... If he exists now... and needs one of them to disappear in order to exist.... would they be in it? Just my thought. One of them would already be gone, and we'd have him. Something else happened.

It could have been an act of defiance by the Lin Kuei. Maybe they found the older brother's body... maybe they didn't, maybe they just built this thing to represent a giant mechanized middle finger to the two Sub Zeros who left the Lin Kuei.

I also don't recall when Sub Zero actually finds out Noob is his brother... if it's when we did, it's not until Deception. If people are still unaware of who he is (aside from us, and yes even in his vignette, they would reference that because we all know even if the characters don't). Maybe the Lin Kuei programmed him as a diversion. Maybe it's goal is to find Sub Zero and get him to lower his guard. Pretend that it's his older brother and he still has memories of his former life and needs help... But it's all to distract him while Sektor and Cyrax attempt to flank him or corner him or whatever.

Maybe Scorpion destroyed his body, but perhaps they took DNA from the otherwise useless corpse and made a clone in order to cybernize him. Also a possibility. Clones aren't exactly a new plot twist to MK. Which brings me to Mileena.. Probably not naked... Maybe a very "Jack" like costume from Mass Effect 2 (if you don't know what I'm talking about and haven't played Mass Effect 2 yet... do yourself a favor and do it. I can't think of a better way to spend the time you have waiting for MK than to play this game, it's incredible.)
There are a LOT of possibilities.

I'm sorry if this is poorly written, I cannot focus as all I can hear is my tenant snoring.... and he's down in the basement.... fml....
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03/07/2011 04:14 AM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
And no, hehe, "U Mad" is literally telling you to sit your ass down because you look like a fool. In this context, you look ridiculous battling on the internet over something that is only one sentence long and demeaning other people's opinions.


Pot, meet kettle.


Say what you want, however I'm actually informing said member that his "opinion" is not a fact. Oh and U MAD?
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03/07/2011 04:16 AM (UTC)
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I feel a brand new signature is coming.



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03/07/2011 04:16 AM (UTC)
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Disco_Diva Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
And no, hehe, "U Mad" is literally telling you to sit your ass down because you look like a fool. In this context, you look ridiculous battling on the internet over something that is only one sentence long and demeaning other people's opinions.


Pot, meet kettle.


Say what you want, however I'm actually informing said member that his "opinion" is not a fact. Oh and U MAD?


You're so cool. Maybe if I said U MAD every 30 seconds maybe I could be as cool as you.
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03/07/2011 04:16 AM (UTC)
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This is not the mk way. Dont you think nrs will feel disrespected jus a little
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03/07/2011 04:19 AM (UTC)
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VeinZ Wrote:
I can't believe how mad people get. And then you find out they're in their 30's half the time...

Sub Zero is my second favorite character behind Reptile. He was always my default if Reptile wasn't in the game, or was a t-rex. I think everyone needs to relax and wait until the game comes out. Cyber Sub Zero isn't for everyone, but it could be interesting. Also, I find it hard to believe he could be considered a canon and story changing character who possibly replaces Noob Saibot or the younger Sub Zero, when ALL THREE WILL BE PLAYABLE. Like... If he exists now... and needs one of them to disappear in order to exist.... would they be in it? Just my thought. One of them would already be gone, and we'd have him. Something else happened.

It could have been an act of defiance by the Lin Kuei. Maybe they found the older brother's body... maybe they didn't, maybe they just built this thing to represent a giant mechanized middle finger to the two Sub Zeros who left the Lin Kuei.

I also don't recall when Sub Zero actually finds out Noob is his brother... if it's when we did, it's not until Deception. If people are still unaware of who he is (aside from us, and yes even in his vignette, they would reference that because we all know even if the characters don't). Maybe the Lin Kuei programmed him as a diversion. Maybe it's goal is to find Sub Zero and get him to lower his guard. Pretend that it's his older brother and he still has memories of his former life and needs help... But it's all to distract him while Sektor and Cyrax attempt to flank him or corner him or whatever.

Maybe Scorpion destroyed his body, but perhaps they took DNA from the otherwise useless corpse and made a clone in order to cybernize him. Also a possibility. Clones aren't exactly a new plot twist to MK. Which brings me to Mileena.. Probably not naked... Maybe a very "Jack" like costume from Mass Effect 2 (if you don't know what I'm talking about and haven't played Mass Effect 2 yet... do yourself a favor and do it. I can't think of a better way to spend the time you have waiting for MK than to play this game, it's incredible.)
There are a LOT of possibilities.

I'm sorry if this is poorly written, I cannot focus as all I can hear is my tenant snoring.... and he's down in the basement.... fml....


Hmm good thought. The lin kwui could of taken blood from sub-zero and cloned him, they make the clone a cyborg and lets him target the real sub-zero. nice!

Oh and this thread is getting out of hand. I like the cyber subzero, that dosn't mean everyone does and i am ok with that. Mainly because what i like is what i like. If someone says you shouldn't like him, well thats his opinion and i don't care because i hate people telling me what i should like.grin
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03/07/2011 04:20 AM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
Afterall, an opinion is something SUBJECTIVE. Your FAULTY argument for legitimizing your opinion as fact is weak and not even well-thought.

You guys call me butthurt, but you're like the angriest person in this thread.

Again, according to your philosophy, there are no such things as bad ideas, being that you believe all opinions weigh equally. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not trying to be an ass.

Give an argument. Don't give an argument. I will always take those who explain their thoughts more seriously. Don't hide behind the fact that it's your opinion.

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Seriously dude, you're accusing these people of being raised wrong because they don't agree with your opinion. You may think that cyber sub-zero is a bad idea. That is YOUR opinion, not fact. Just because the majority of people may agree with you, does not make it fact. For Christ sake, the game is not out, not one of us has a clue as to how this "twist" should it even be cannon happen. Yet here you are sating as fact, that it's the worst idea ever on the sole grounds that sub zero's current story is fine and has "artistic value". That's just hoarse crap matey. If once the game is out, we all agree that it's the worst idea after seeing it, then we can call it fact. If someone genuinely enjoys it, that is their opinion!

Okay, now people are just not reading. I never said my opinion was fact. But there are right and wrong opinions.


How am I angry when I'm actually laughing at your posts? I guess posting in CAPITAL LETTERS FOR EMPHASIS MEANS I'M ANGRY! GRRRR!!1 sleep

Where did I say that there was no such thing as a bad idea? I do believe that one must actually KNOW the actual idea before calling it crap though (you know, like actually knowing why said character is in?).

No one's hiding behind anything, they just don't feel like posting about it.

Oh and, I think he read quite well:
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Everyone knows Cyber Sub-Zero is a bad idea. That's completely without question.
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03/07/2011 04:20 AM (UTC)
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NS922 Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
And no, hehe, "U Mad" is literally telling you to sit your ass down because you look like a fool. In this context, you look ridiculous battling on the internet over something that is only one sentence long and demeaning other people's opinions.


Pot, meet kettle.


Say what you want, however I'm actually informing said member that his "opinion" is not a fact. Oh and U MAD?


You're so cool. Maybe if I said U MAD every 30 seconds maybe I could be as cool as you.
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03/07/2011 04:21 AM (UTC)
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Disco_Diva Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
And no, hehe, "U Mad" is literally telling you to sit your ass down because you look like a fool. In this context, you look ridiculous battling on the internet over something that is only one sentence long and demeaning other people's opinions.


Pot, meet kettle.


Say what you want, however I'm actually informing said member that his "opinion" is not a fact. Oh and U MAD?


It just seems like you're enjoying "U MAD" a little too much, no? It just seems like it's moved past the point of just clowning to intentionally provoking and baiting people into arguments.
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03/07/2011 04:21 AM (UTC)
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Disco_Diva Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
And no, hehe, "U Mad" is literally telling you to sit your ass down because you look like a fool. In this context, you look ridiculous battling on the internet over something that is only one sentence long and demeaning other people's opinions.


Pot, meet kettle.


Say what you want, however I'm actually informing said member that his "opinion" is not a fact. Oh and U MAD?


I don't need you to tell me to say what I want, I'm going to do it anyway.

Neither is yours.

And I'm perfectly calm, thanks.
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03/07/2011 04:21 AM (UTC)
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NS922 Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
And no, hehe, "U Mad" is literally telling you to sit your ass down because you look like a fool. In this context, you look ridiculous battling on the internet over something that is only one sentence long and demeaning other people's opinions.


Pot, meet kettle.


Say what you want, however I'm actually informing said member that his "opinion" is not a fact. Oh and U MAD?


You're so cool. Maybe if I said U MAD every 30 seconds maybe I could be as cool as you.


No, you'd still be an ass considering I only really used it once in this thread. smile
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03/07/2011 04:22 AM (UTC)
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