wouldnt it be awesome if Liu Kang was based on Robin Shour in Mk9?
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RE: wouldnt it be awesome if Liu Kang was based on Robin Shour in Mk9?
06/11/2010 06:55 PM EDT
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It always seemed pretty obvious to me that he had a bit of influence of Liu Kangs look after Mk2, with the Longer hair in Mk3 and all.



An interesting statement considering Robin Shou was cast after MK3 came out.



As for the subject at hand...

Personally, I've always liked the Robin Shou Liu Kang more than the Games Liu Kang. Kang from the games just felt like a lame Bruce Lee tribute, and not an actual character in his own right. The noises have ALWAYS been fucking ridiculous, not the stuff of a true main hero that's for sure.

However at this point I'm not sure it's a problem worth fixing, or if it's a problem overall at all. I know I don't like the turkey noises, but maybe Liu Kang just wouldn't be the same without them?
I wont be playing as him, regardless.
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RE: wouldnt it be awesome if Liu Kang was based on Robin Shour in Mk9?
06/11/2010 07:06 PM EDT
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Santar Wrote:

It always seemed pretty obvious to me that he had a bit of influence of Liu Kangs look after Mk2, with the Longer hair in Mk3 and all.



An interesting statement considering Robin Shou was cast after MK3 came out.



As for the subject at hand...

Personally, I've always liked the Robin Shou Liu Kang more than the Games Liu Kang. Kang from the games just felt like a lame Bruce Lee tribute, and not an actual character in his own right. The noises have ALWAYS been fucking ridiculous, not the stuff of a true main hero that's for sure.

However at this point I'm not sure it's a problem worth fixing, or if it's a problem overall at all. I know I don't like the turkey noises, but maybe Liu Kang just wouldn't be the same without them?
I wont be playing as him, regardless.

Are you sure the game was released first? It just says 1995 on both the game and the movie on wikipedia at least.
If the game actually got released first I guess it's just a happy coincidence he looks similar :)
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06/11/2010 07:09 PM EDT
I think it would be clever if Zombie Liu Kang was a starting character and normal Liu Kang was a hidden character. The twist being that Zombie Liu Kang would be a clone like the Shao Kahn clone the Deadly Alliance killed.

Zombie Liu Kang could be aimed more towards Bruce Lee and normal Liu Kang more towards Robin Shou. Just a thought.
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RE: wouldnt it be awesome if Liu Kang was based on Robin Shour in Mk9?
06/11/2010 07:14 PM EDT
I've become totally disinterested in Liu Kang. One of my favorite games, Deadly Alliance, suffered nothing from booting him. Unlike characters such as Sub-Zero, Smoke, or Scorpion, he didn't really evolve or do much. Killing him, and even resurrecting him as a zombie, was the most interesting thing to ever happen to him.

So, if this is a Liu Kang-free game, I'm more than okay with that. Make room for other characters that deserve more spotlight.
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06/11/2010 07:15 PM EDT
Though the most points of Liu Kang not having evolved are right... I couldn't imagine him out of this game.

The most important thing to me, is how a character plays gameplay wise and I always enjoyed using Liu Kang. During MKvsDC and MKA, he was a character I'd like to use in online matches. He was not cheap during these games (or is my opinion wrong? Feel free to tell me, I'm always ready to hear other's opinion!).

Okay on topic then: You really wanna have Kang remodeled after Robin Shou? He played Liu Kang during both movies I know, but the 2nd movie was 13 years ago if I'm right... c'mon, that's not a good thing to do then right?
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06/11/2010 07:22 PM EDT
I think someone already answered the question to this thread as they did that in MKvsDc.

And I've never been really interested in Liu Kang. Thought he was funny early on, then I was happy when they killed him, then didn't appreciate the zombie that much at all. That's about it.

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06/11/2010 07:24 PM EDT
Okay on topic then: You really wanna have Kang remodeled after Robin Shou? He played Liu Kang during both movies I know, but the 2nd movie was 13 years ago if I'm right... c'mon, that's not a good thing to do then right?

It's been a few years since the movies yes, but having him older would actually be cool I think. But since Mk9 looks to be a reimagining of the first 3 games it's probably not going to happen.

Would be really interesting to know if they ever considered trying to get him to model for the games though.
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06/11/2010 08:12 PM EDT
First off, I still hate that some are still thinking of this game as "MK9". Second, I don't even want Liu Kang to return. Lastly, I don't think that Liu Kang needs to be based off of Robin Shou. This game is probably a retelling of MK3's story so we'll likely see him.
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06/11/2010 08:31 PM EDT
Robin Shou? I don't know. I actually don't like him playing Liu in the movies. Probably Don "the Dragon" Wilson should be based on him since I don't like the long haired Liu one fucking bit (he's already based on Bruce Lee himself anyway). And get rid of that love story with Kitana. Liu is obviously not a Shaolin Monk for nothing and he could do without all the sentimental bullshit (I don't like it when you see the characters fighting and then in the cut scenes, they're friends or lovers). Killing him in MKDA is probably laziness on the part of his handlers. I could think of a thousand ways to reinvent and reinvigorate the Liu Kang character: update his look, put him through some character development. Liu to me is like an Asian Conan. All Conan does is grunt, kick ass, beat the shit out of his enemies and have sex with bimboes but I don't see any of his fans or readers whining about that. Like Conan, Liu works best as a fighter without pretense, period. I kinda like that in a character since with others, I have to empathize with all their side issues and other excess baggage but with Liu, there is none of that. He always has a clear cut motive: the bad guys are these, defeat them, save the Earth from being occupied by losers from Outworld, etc. Mission accomplished. Who doesn't want a guy like that? But with other characters in MK, its: "I'm a demon but I have a problem with that since I also want to be friends with people"...

MK is a fighting game and Liu foots the bill perfectly in the gameplay and moves department hands down. I enjoy using him (when playing MK I and MK II) since he's very accessible in the button mashing dept. Sure, story and character development is an important consideration when it comes to the characters but if the fighter has a sucky movelist, then all you have is a poop sandwich.
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RE: Woudlnt it be cool I Liu KAng was based on Robin Shour for Mk9?
06/11/2010 09:36 PM EDT
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Santar Wrote:
We're getting off topic here.
But what is the point of making a sequel if you're going to throw away all the characters fans love? You might as well just reboot the whole thing.

I never said get rid of ALL the old characters. Keep the ones that have actually managed to evolve and stay somewhat fresh over the years. Or at the very least, ones that had some merit to begin with.
But also allow the more recent characters a chance to become favorites and evolve.

I don't care about many times the repackage him or how many tattooes they give, Johnny Cage sucks. He sucked then, he sucks now, and he always will suck. Nothing will make me like him, or Liu Kang, or Kano, or Jax, or Sonya.

They needn't throw away everyone. Just the ones not worth it.


I really need to play against you as Johnny Cage Liu Kang and the bunch and whip your ass for that, Nut punches all day my friend followed by multiple body slams, vertical bicycle kicks, and a gotcha grab with a nice fuck you at the end of it.
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RE: wouldnt it be awesome if Liu Kang was based on Robin Shour in Mk9?
06/11/2010 09:42 PM EDT
Zentile Wrote:
Santar Wrote:

It always seemed pretty obvious to me that he had a bit of influence of Liu Kangs look after Mk2, with the Longer hair in Mk3 and all.



An interesting statement considering Robin Shou was cast after MK3 came out.



As for the subject at hand...

Personally, I've always liked the Robin Shou Liu Kang more than the Games Liu Kang. Kang from the games just felt like a lame Bruce Lee tribute, and not an actual character in his own right. The noises have ALWAYS been fucking ridiculous, not the stuff of a true main hero that's for sure.

However at this point I'm not sure it's a problem worth fixing, or if it's a problem overall at all. I know I don't like the turkey noises, but maybe Liu Kang just wouldn't be the same without them?
I wont be playing as him, regardless.


I agree, the Liu Kang from the movies had more depth and more going on for him, such as doubting the shaolin and running away from them by going to America and returning to fufill his destiny as the Chosen One and defeating Shang Tsung both mentally and physically. The fiery and naive Liu Kang with flaws was much more interesting than the Puritan Liu Kang that is depicted in Shaolin Monks because it left room for the character to develop, although I enjoy both of them very much.

I feel like I am the only one that actually wants to have an actual good guy as the main protagonist, wtf the 90's really got out of hand with this anti-hero shit. I want a solid guy that I know is out there for the greater good and has honor and respect, and Liu Kang fits that role perfectly.

I would love to see the Robin Shou Liu Kang featured in a game and same thing applies to the Linden Ashby Johnny Cage, he was pretty deep too.
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RE: Woudlnt it be cool I Liu KAng was based on Robin Shour for Mk9?
06/11/2010 09:52 PM EDT
Lets just say, Even if hes a super Unlockable, I will have to fight off the urge to not deal with the situation at all.

He just had to Wake Up Dead....

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RE: wouldnt it be awesome if Liu Kang was based on Robin Shour in Mk9?
06/11/2010 10:06 PM EDT
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I agree, the Liu Kang from the movies had more depth and more going on for him, such as doubting the shaolin and running away from them by going to America and returning to fufill his destiny as the Chosen One and defeating Shang Tsung both mentally and physically. The fiery and naive Liu Kang with flaws was much more interesting than the Puritan Liu Kang that is depicted in Shaolin Monks because it left room for the character to develop, although I enjoy both of them very much.

I feel like I am the only one that actually wants to have an actual good guy as the main protagonist, wtf the 90's really got out of hand with this anti-hero shit. I want a solid guy that I know is out there for the greater good and has honor and respect, and Liu Kang fits that role perfectly.

I would love to see the Robin Shou Liu Kang featured in a game and same thing applies to the Linden Ashby Johnny Cage, he was pretty deep too.


Doubting the Shaolin and not wanting to fight in the tournament is KUNG LAO's story. They can't give it to Liu in the games like they could in the movies by leaving Kung Lao out. And "He moved to America and watched a lot of TV and doesn't believe in the tournament" was a STUPID idea. It would never work in the games because in the games, Liu has magic powers of his own and already knows MK is a real thing because he's met Raiden before and trained with Bo' Rai Cho!

Here's the thing about the Liu of the games. He COULD have a personality if they actually put thought into it, and it WOULDN'T be the one from the movie, that one was bullshit.

Consider: He's a monk. He lives life all day in a temple with vows of this and that, and he's the only guy in MK1 whose Fatality doesn't actually kill you. When he beats Shang Tsung, he willingly lets him live! That's all straight from canon and what does it tell us? What kind of personality do you end up with when you add it all up? One that wouldn't be all that bad if they actually bothered to show it:

He should be innocent, naive, not know much of anything about the modern world and very offended by all the killing in the tournament. He's a hero, a young, bright eyed, innocent one. I think of him like...I know it's asking a lot to expect anyone here to watch cartoons, but if you've ever seen Avatar: The Last Airbender, the main character, Aang, would be the perfect model for the way Liu starts out.

In MK2, he comes home to find the temple slaughtered. Everyone he ever knew is dead, and the reason they're dead is BECAUSE he let Shang Tsung live. MK2 totally glossed over how he should feel about that because all they had to work with was one bio and one ending. This time, don't skip it, show it and use the cutscenes and dialogue to flesh it out.
Suddenly, he knows real grief and regret and rage for the first time, he wants revenge, he wants to spill blood. The pacifism is slipping away. Liu's entire plot in MK2 should be spent showing his struggle to control his grief and not go over to the dark side and become a murderer. It's cliche, yes...Hell, Batman has been down the "Killing is wrong, but I want to kill the Joker so bad, somebody stop me please" route a million times, but it would still be a deeper growth than he gets in either the games to date OR the film.

And here's the twist...because this is Mortal Kombat, and in MK2 and 3 he did have fatalities that actually killed people, he should FAIL to stay pure, and actually kill somebody and then have to live with that blood on his hands and find a balance and readjust his beliefs to live with the fact that some of his enemies are monsters and need to die. The end result, by MK3 you have a Liu who's grown up, who's now wise and no longer needs Raiden's guidance, he's come so far he can actually be the one giving advice to others.

Plus they could do the romance with Kitana a lot better. I think the best example of what I'm thinking of there, XD actually did in a fanfic about Kitana's life. He portrayed Kitana during MK2 as feeling hopeless like there's no way to rebel against Kahn because he's invincible, but meeting Liu gives her hope and changes everything for her, and it actually comes off as genuinely kinda romantic for once...instead of the way the movies and Shaolin Monks did it, which was just "Hurr durr, I think you're pretty. Oops, you've been captured I will rescue you!"

In summary, there is nothing about Liu in the movies that's worth using. We can make him better than they did, using only the stuff that's in the games.
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06/12/2010 09:59 AM EDT
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Grizzle Wrote:
I agree, the Liu Kang from the movies had more depth and more going on for him, such as doubting the shaolin and running away from them by going to America and returning to fufill his destiny as the Chosen One and defeating Shang Tsung both mentally and physically. The fiery and naive Liu Kang with flaws was much more interesting than the Puritan Liu Kang that is depicted in Shaolin Monks because it left room for the character to develop, although I enjoy both of them very much.

I feel like I am the only one that actually wants to have an actual good guy as the main protagonist, wtf the 90's really got out of hand with this anti-hero shit. I want a solid guy that I know is out there for the greater good and has honor and respect, and Liu Kang fits that role perfectly.

I would love to see the Robin Shou Liu Kang featured in a game and same thing applies to the Linden Ashby Johnny Cage, he was pretty deep too.


Doubting the Shaolin and not wanting to fight in the tournament is KUNG LAO's story. They can't give it to Liu in the games like they could in the movies by leaving Kung Lao out. And "He moved to America and watched a lot of TV and doesn't believe in the tournament" was a STUPID idea. It would never work in the games because in the games, Liu has magic powers of his own and already knows MK is a real thing because he's met Raiden before and trained with Bo' Rai Cho!

Here's the thing about the Liu of the games. He COULD have a personality if they actually put thought into it, and it WOULDN'T be the one from the movie, that one was bullshit.

Consider: He's a monk. He lives life all day in a temple with vows of this and that, and he's the only guy in MK1 whose Fatality doesn't actually kill you. When he beats Shang Tsung, he willingly lets him live! That's all straight from canon and what does it tell us? What kind of personality do you end up with when you add it all up? One that wouldn't be all that bad if they actually bothered to show it:

He should be innocent, naive, not know much of anything about the modern world and very offended by all the killing in the tournament. He's a hero, a young, bright eyed, innocent one. I think of him like...I know it's asking a lot to expect anyone here to watch cartoons, but if you've ever seen Avatar: The Last Airbender, the main character, Aang, would be the perfect model for the way Liu starts out.

In MK2, he comes home to find the temple slaughtered. Everyone he ever knew is dead, and the reason they're dead is BECAUSE he let Shang Tsung live. MK2 totally glossed over how he should feel about that because all they had to work with was one bio and one ending. This time, don't skip it, show it and use the cutscenes and dialogue to flesh it out.

Suddenly, he knows real grief and regret and rage for the first time, he wants revenge, he wants to spill blood. The pacifism is slipping away. Liu's entire plot in MK2 should be spent showing his struggle to control his grief and not go over to the dark side and become a murderer. It's cliche, yes...Hell, Batman has been down the "Killing is wrong, but I want to kill the Joker so bad, somebody stop me please" route a million times, but it would still be a deeper growth than he gets in either the games to date OR the film.

And here's the twist...because this is Mortal Kombat, and in MK2 and 3 he did have fatalities that actually killed people, he should FAIL to stay pure, and actually kill somebody and then have to live with that blood on his hands and find a balance and readjust his beliefs to live with the fact that some of his enemies are monsters and need to die. The end result, by MK3 you have a Liu who's grown up, who's now wise and no longer needs Raiden's guidance, he's come so far he can actually be the one giving advice to others.

Plus they could do the romance with Kitana a lot better. I think the best example of what I'm thinking of there, XD actually did in a fanfic about Kitana's life. He portrayed Kitana during MK2 as feeling hopeless like there's no way to rebel against Kahn because he's invincible, but meeting Liu gives her hope and changes everything for her, and it actually comes off as genuinely kinda romantic for once...instead of the way the movies and Shaolin Monks did it, which was just "Hurr durr, I think you're pretty. Oops, you've been captured I will rescue you!"

In summary, there is nothing about Liu in the movies that's worth using. We can make him better than they did, using only the stuff that's in the games.


When you put his story like that then I agree that is much better than using the similar story to Liu Kang's movie counter-part. And that is alot of progress from his original first appearance and it shows him being refreshed, (take that haters.) The one aspect that I respect about the relationship between Liu Kang and Kitana's romance is that they forbid it because of their respective roles in their societies. Liu Kang and Kung Lao were the last two survivors of the Shaolin Temples and their destiny is to rebuild it, while Kitana is the Princess and future heir of a re-establishing society, so although they are tempted to be together they simply can't, Also considering the fact that Liu Kang is a mortal is another obstacle that they must mentaly face when wanting to be together.
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06/12/2010 10:36 AM EDT
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The one aspect that I respect about the relationship between Liu Kang and Kitana's romance is that they forbid it because of their respective roles in their societies. Liu Kang and Kung Lao were the last two survivors of the Shaolin Temples and their destiny is to rebuild it, while Kitana is the Princess and future heir of a re-establishing society, so although they are tempted to be together they simply can't, Also considering the fact that Liu Kang is a mortal is another obstacle that they must mentaly face when wanting to be together.


An interesting thought. I think the bigger problem that lies between them though is that Liu can't leave his realm because he's Earth's champion, he has to stay and fight all its battles and MK tournaments, while Kitana can't leave her realm of course because she has to be there to rule it and fight all its battles and so forth. It's by definition always going to be a long-distance relationship, it's impossible for either one to ever really commit. Which is why they pretty much break up at the end of MK4.

I don't think the age difference ever bothered Liu though because MK champs don't age, remember. That's another thing they should focus on when telling Liu's story: The Highlander factor. He should be sad at the idea that he'll have to watch all his friends grow old and die while he always stays the same and also is stuck spending his entire life fighting battle after battle when he's already sick of violence.
Another thing that desperately needs more fleshing out is, if they ever do remake MK4 too, the way he becomes a teacher/mentor figure and takes the young Kai under his wing, training him to join the White Lotus.
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