Well, has MK8 been confirmed yet, or what?

*put's on his white chick accent*

ummmm......like yeeaaaaaah (duuuuhhhh)

For the noobs who are talking about the engine for game development I have one sentence. Children please be quiet!

You, who write such a brainless and noobish things like "How can an fps engine work for a fighting game?" and questions with simular topic know nothing except button smashing and playing with their favorite little console or pc games in their little rooms and asking their mommy or daddy to buy them another game with cool graphics. But they know nothing about game development.

Now let me give some very basic lessons about this in few sentences. So you can look as you have IQ something close to 90 or if you are lucky enough, maybe 91-92, and not 50 or 40 like a plant.

First of all, the UT3 engine is only a graphics engine and for one game you need a graphics engine which includes the dynamics engine, rendering engine, particle system, characterising, animations and nowdays even a facial animation. This all is only integrated in graphics engine.
Beside graphics engine every game has it's own game engine which is developed specially for this game and has it's own commands, restrictions, database system based on the games requierments. And this is what will make one game a fighting game, an fps game or anything else. You can develop a fishing game, or a flight simulator, it is no mather. The graphics engine has nothing to do with the style of the game.

Graphics engine is only used for controlling the polygon-mesh models, or nurbs models, or subdivision models. Also the graphics engine is responsible for lighting, for shader maps, bump maps, texture maps, displacement and normal maps just to mention few of them. It is also responsible for the realtime rendering with integrated rendering engine.

I could also speak days about the dynamics, the rigid body animations, particles, soft body animations, muscle simulation. The developing of game engine is usually done with C++ and with little of delphi for database handling. But this all is so Chinese to most of you that i don't wanna go deeper in this.

So, all in all if you know nothing about game developing please don't say stupid things and save yourself of humiliation.

No disrespect to anyone. I really don't want to insult anybody but when i read such a brainless things like "How can an fps engine work with fighting game..........." it terrifys me that the intelligence of people is on the lower level day by day. But maybe I'm wrong and they are just to young..........

Peace!

is "game engine'" and "graphics engine" synonymous? The reason I'm asking, is because I've heard both terms used similiarly.

The game engine and the graphics engine are two different things. To explain it simply to an avarage gamer. The graphics engine is responsible for visual part of the game and one graphics engine license like UT and Doom3 engines are used for many games. But the game engine is something which have to be developed distinct for every game. The game engine is something which gives the "personality" to the game. Of course that's not a technikal explanation but if i would try to explain it to you in the technical way, you wouldn't understand a word of it.

Wikipedia defines the unreal engine as a game engine however. Do you think this wrong?


I have a tendacy of relying on wiki too much. Bad habit.

P.S I dont mind if you go technical. I cant promise I'll undertsand everything...but I'll try. I'm just really interested.

A game engine is software used to make game development easier. It incorporates the basics that almost all games will need. Physics engine, graphics engine, networking, collision detection, A.I., ect.

So no, Graphics engine is not equivelant to game engine, the game engine incorporates the graphics engine.

Game engines are used to make game development easier, cheaper and quicker, since developers dont have to ask 'how do we make this work within the architecture' but rather 'what do we want to add, and how do we do it within the engine'. An engine is designed to be easier (relative to working from scratch) to work with then directly with architecture.

I must comment on your last comment..best MK8 game since MK1?Joking right...? *cough MK2, MK3,UMK3* cough..anyone? lol...UMK3 especially dude..that game owns all MK's if you ask me, from a gameplay point of view it's fact.Fun as anything.

Unless of course you mean as far as the first MK game to introduce a handful of new characters SINCE MK1/MK2 days then I might agree with ya as far as the characters are concerned but there are more good MK games besides MK1.

MK3 wasnt impressive at the time according to the response of most fans and gamers. UMK maybe....but not MK3.

MK1 and MK2 had the perfect mk feel however. I wish MK8 has that exact same dark Chinese mythology and serious tone.

MKDA-MKAr = Renderware

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renderware#Industry_support

MK8 = Unreal Engine 3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_engine...real_Engine_3_2

See the games in both graphics engine...

And even jigglier boobs...yum.

You could definitely pull off damage and clothing tears on the PS2, GC, and X-Box. If you can program a limb sever, damage to the face, or pulling of an elbow pad (look at the Smackdown series since 2000 on the PSone), then you can program a clothing tear.

Oh, [Sub-Zero, suck it, will you? Just because you may have a better understanding of these technical terms than some other folk, gives you absolutely no right to speak down to them. People who do that are usually compensating for a personal failing.

If you want to explain the differences, that's fine, but where do you get off insulting others? It's pathetic, really. What are you? 15? 16? God, I hope you're no older than that.

Where's my list of people that I'd like to say that to? I've got about 15 names in this thread that are going on it.

MK8 will suck. That's right, I said it. It will suck. They've lied to us twice now, twice. Three times and they're out. Unreal Engine 3 = pretty graphics, and the last two MK engines couldn't produce even that. Bell Tower in MKA is still the one of the god-ugliest stages I've ever seen. I could put money that MK8 does the impossible and makes UE3 look like crap. And even if they do use it right, I can still put money that the gameplay will be garbage once again.

I will say however, like I've said before, if they prove me wrong, I will retract everything bad I've said. Don't count on it though.

And to clear it up, the Unreal Engine is not a game engine, and it's not a graphics engine. It handles visuals, sound, input, and anything else that it takes in and produces out. The UT engine is the models, AI (that's game-dependant), events, and other game-related info that the engine uses. Export all the UT scripts and that's the UT engine. Base class is Actor, everything else in UT extends from it.

Damn, lets see if your NO HOPE-PROVE ME WRONG Strategy works this time :D

Cool I love the look of gears of war and it is one of my favorite games, glad MK8 is using the same graphics engine. Just imagine if characters like sub-zero and sonya blade return then the mk team can do their faces the same as the actors who portrayed them in MK3 (John Turk and Kerri Hoskins) but make them look older as the story may be years later from MK3. Hopefully they will look very photorealistic.

I agree completely withh you [sub zero. I have always thought mk needed to be more realistic plus have a good fighting engine. What they need todo is hire a people that know how to make a good fighting engine so it can be at the game seeing that it seems no one at midway knows what a fighting engine is.

To killjoy, I read that also.I don't know why some people felt that way honestly MK3 was a good game, UMK3 was better though.





WOW, I see you're very optimistic about MK8.

I think it'll rock personally, MK is in need of change and sometimes change is good.

I think MK should be gritty. I mean.. It's about fighting to the death.. but, we don't want to make it too realistic.. I mean... we don't want the fatalities to be all realistic and shit, we still want some humor, and some unrealistic shit.

The_Purple_Bunny, i dont mean to disrespect your rank/opinion, but i believe that MK; 8 may very well be the best MK game so far (when it comes out).
also as u seem to be a bit pessimistic i can understand your viewpont, but i still disagree with your opinion on this topic.

i would also like to see KAK return.

I think MK should be gritty. I mean.. It's about fighting to the death.. but, we don't want to make it too realistic.. I mean... we don't want the fatalities to be all realistic and shit, we still want some humor, and some unrealistic shit.

to MKflegend
I remember MK3 being more popular with the non die hard MK fans. People like my friends that did enjoy the MK games (and fighting games in general) but really weren't die hard fans. They see MK3 & Trilogy as the best MK. UMK3 was IMO also the best of the MK3 series, probaly had something to do with the character selection (Scorpion, Reptile, Mileena, etc).

While waiting on MK3, I used 2 play Killer Instinc in the arcades. Then MK3 came, but it didn't add something to the MK series. I was already used to combo's, different colors blood, robots.
And the story, which is a strong MK point, wasn't a great sequel...basicly MK2 on earth. Thats why IMO the progressive line stopped there, because beside of those things, graphically it wasn't significant better.

MK4 is pretty underrated. It was a good game, 3D, but still that fast & smooth gameplay. I feel they could have done more with that basic, instead of cleaning the state and come with the MKDA, MKD & MKA.

For the next MK I hope they can create a new story, forget this outworld soap. Like MK1, simple, but with nuff potential for a great sequal. I also hope they bring back the unique fighting stances. It made them a real character ( Reptile's UMK stand beeing one of my favs). There's probaly more I can think of but those things pop in mind. I'm glad Boon mentioned the gritty vibe and all, so I have a good feeling about the graphics.

oke nuff said for now

Speak for your mutha-fuggin self. Although I do agree there still should be a level of fantasy involved with the game, If they don't quit just trying to sell the game soon...Even a die-hard fan like myself will find reasoning in leaving the series alone.... If there is to be humor in this kind of game it should be dark, very pessimistic humor....almost dry humor.....and different colors of that humor accordingly..

Have you ever been or lived with real soldiers?? Even my humor is affected by my cousins, who spent a year with us after the service...He's a Vet, I'm just a street soldier. The humor after dealing with Killing, Shooting, and Fighting is a basic human courtesy or disregaurd....and it's funny.
Very brutal and unrealistic to a SUVILLIAN!!!!!!!!!!!

Shit like "Mokap" is no where near funny to begin with...It only rings as...."What the fuck did you just waste the last moments of my life with that for...?.. You could've made the game better and you didn't." *turn tha game off.
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"You muthafuckas don't want "real" I agree....you only want re-al-i-ty-"t.-v." "

I find it hard to pay attention who is apparently 25, a United Statesman sta-ted in his profile, yet writes SUVILLIAN (civilian), ...Though the good points are evident in the post, despite that, no SP WILL use vulgarities when adressing another.

People make typos all the time.

How exactly was he being vulgar? Edit-I see it now. Pred wasnt being serious though.